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2020-10-18 4:06:12 PM  
Let history prosecute all criminals then
 
2020-10-18 4:06:25 PM  

Gubbo: Whoever that is should be fully ignored.

If you aren't gonna hold the most powerful people in America responsible for their crimes, then what's the damn point of anything.


Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown...
 
2020-10-18 4:06:58 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Pence says he has faith in our justice system.  So, put Trump on trial and let the jury decide.  If he's convicted, and he really believes he's a saint, he can let history vindicate him.


Fark a jury. Send him to the ICC. Then a military court in Guantanamo. Then a criminal court in NY.

After all his trials, add all his sentences and put his ass in the most disgusting Rikers island cell with the biggest baddest mexican/black cellmates. (first, execute all the white supremacists at the prison, hell, execute them in all US prisons on the same day, why are we keeping that trash alive to begin with?)
 
2020-10-18 4:07:09 PM  

Altimus Prime: I didn't RTFA, but there are arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their official duties, lest each administration become focused on revenge against their political adversaries.  So things like the Ukraine call, middle east F-35s for peace deals, interference within the CDC -- those all tie in some respect to policy, and you'd be opening many pandora's boxes if prosecution for such things became the norm.  They do that sort of thing in banana republics and cheap autocracies, where the ruling party must always weaken their predecessors to solidify their own hold on power.

Having said that, there are zero arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their own personal enrichment or the enrichment of their families.  Very much the opposite.  We should expect our elected officials to be held to standards of propriety at least as high as those to which we are held.  And conduct by the family of the President not tied to any government function?  Zealous prosecution, always.


I think any behavior tied to trying to get dirt on a political opponent goes well into abuse of power and should be prosecuted. Using the power of the government against a political opponent is the epitome of corruption and should be be punished. Plus, all interference into trials and investigation, i.e. obstruction of justice, should also be prosecuted. Simply something a functioning democracy should not 'overlook'. Future administrations will simply take if further.
 
2020-10-18 4:08:06 PM  
" In democracies, a peaceful transfer of power has two elements: The loser concedes without violence, and the winner accepts without vengeance. "

And the US historical precedent for an administration like this is, that we should follow precedent?

And BTW, due process, with a fair jury trial, and  the accused having legal council for the defense is not vengeance.

/or is catching people doing stuff wrong unfair?
// at least we wouldn't be following Italy's 1945 precedent or France's 1792 precedent, and thus we establish our transfer of power is peaceful
 
2020-10-18 4:08:15 PM  
Nope. Hang him, shoot him, burn him after a fair trial.

At least 220,000 times.
 
2020-10-18 4:09:06 PM  
Is the answer instead go directly to executed?  Because I'm okay with that.  Also all the GOP members who assisted in this travesty going back 3 generations to anyone still around from Nixon's administration.
 
2020-10-18 4:10:46 PM  
Does history have a tough prison system?
 
2020-10-18 4:11:14 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Jack Sabbath: At first I agreed with the headline, but then I thought This is America. We don't do summary executions here.

Why not? It seems if the elites won't respect the laws of the land, then why should we rabble have to?


You may have misunderstood Jack's point, I'm thinking.
 
2020-10-18 4:11:27 PM  

iheartscotch: Yeah...that would set the terrible precedent that leaders could be held responsible for their own actions.....


The crazy ass insistence that the people in government should not be help accountable is like a cancer killing this country.  EVERY PERSON IN A POSITION OF POWER SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
 
2020-10-18 4:12:49 PM  
RICO
 
2020-10-18 4:13:05 PM  
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2020-10-18 4:14:26 PM  

Altimus Prime: I didn't RTFA, but there are arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their official duties, lest each administration become focused on revenge against their political adversaries.  So things like the Ukraine call...

... Having said that, there are zero arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their own personal enrichment


The Ukraine call was an explicit use of United States' government resource and policy for personal gain.
 
2020-10-18 4:14:58 PM  

bostonguy: Altimus Prime: Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.

My one sad about Kamala as VP is that we won't have Kamala as AG.  She'd have been an AG for the ages.

Question: Is there anything that prevents the VP also serving as AG?


ag is a cabinet position iirc.  so, having one person in more than one point in the line of succession should be a no-no.
 
2020-10-18 4:15:10 PM  

JRoo: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 720x405]


Came here to point this out.

There are 200,000+ dead from this administration's COVID response.

There are 5,000 dead in Puerto Rico.

And we have absolutely no idea how many dead there are in ICE detention centers.

Trump needs to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
 
2020-10-18 4:16:39 PM  

webron: iheartscotch: Yeah...that would set the terrible precedent that leaders could be held responsible for their own actions.....

The crazy ass insistence that the people in government should not be help accountable is like a cancer killing this country.  EVERY PERSON IN A POSITION OF POWER SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.


They should be held to a higher standard than the average American, just like the police, but neither are held to any standard at all.
 
2020-10-18 4:16:47 PM  
If Democrats say they're going to prosecute Trump then Republicans might start doing crazy things like chanting "lock her up" at their political enemies. You guys need to be civil even when it is clearly long past the time where civility will do any good.
 
2020-10-18 4:17:03 PM  

aleister_greynight: By this reasoning we shouldn't have prosecuted Nazi's after WW2 either.


To be fair, as many as we prosecuted many others were hired to run our space program.
 
2020-10-18 4:18:18 PM  
You know what Biden should do? Do like we did when we invaded Iraq, with a deck of cards with the pictures of top republicans that need to be arrested and hanged.

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2020-10-18 4:18:24 PM  
You may disagree with this stance but don't put "expert" in quotes. (Well, I guess I just did, but you know what I'm saying.) Jill Lepore is no joke. She's one of the few writers in the country I'll go out of my way to read. Although her latest book, These Truths, is pretty daunting at nearly 1,000 pages.
 
2020-10-18 4:20:33 PM  

eurotrader: I guess the writer has forgotten about and justice for all and all are equal under the law parts being important in the US.


The writer also seems to have forgotten about the hundreds of thousands of American bodies buried this year as the direct result of this administrations negligence.

I also feel I'm being kind by calling it negligence.
 
2020-10-18 4:21:24 PM  
NO. JOE ARPAIO'S TENT CITY FOR ALL OF THE COMPLICIT PARTIES, FOR THE DURATION OF THEIR NATURAL LIVES.
 
2020-10-18 4:22:25 PM  
 
2020-10-18 4:22:25 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: not enough beer: Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.

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I prefer this gentleman.

Yates and Bharara, both are perfectly acceptable. Nay, perfectly awesome. Yates might go through confirmation easier than Bharara, as I think senate Republicans would be more f*ckerish against Bharara for "being too partisan".


Easy. Yates gets confirmed, Yates appoints Bharara special prosecutor
 
2020-10-18 4:22:42 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: not enough beer: Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.

[Fark user image 425x267]

I prefer this gentleman.

Yates and Bharara, both are perfectly acceptable. Nay, perfectly awesome. Yates might go through confirmation easier than Bharara, as I think senate Republicans would be more f*ckerish against Bharara for "being too partisan".


Feh. At this point whatever those traitorous bastards are thinking should be ignored. They're going to be f*ckerish with any pick that isn't a straight MAGAt pick.
 
2020-10-18 4:22:55 PM  
Can they still be hunted for sport?
 
2020-10-18 4:23:32 PM  

gonegirl: Can they still be hunted for sport?


No. You can hunt them but you can't enjoy it.
 
2020-10-18 4:24:13 PM  
Screw that. I thirst for vengeance.
 
2020-10-18 4:24:25 PM  
If he shouldn't be prosecuted , he shouldn't have done the crimes .. He was elected or putin the highest office in America to serve the people .. He needs to be made an example of how severely people can be dealt with for betraying that trust .. Enough of this bullsh*t ..
 
2020-10-18 4:25:52 PM  

JRoo: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 720x405]


I gave you a smart because we don't have a sad tag ..
 
2020-10-18 4:27:22 PM  
Bullshiat. We absolutely MUST prosecute this family and I do mean all of them. If you want to flout nepotism laws and actually gouge the US by using it to enrich your family, you absolutely should be prosecuted or else it will never stop. There will be no incentive for future generations to not do the exact same thing.
 
2020-10-18 4:27:28 PM  
I don't see how Subby calls that headline a summary of the article. A few excerpts:

"Its [The Trump Administration's] wrongdoing - a litany that includes corruption, fomenting insurrection, separating parents and children at the border, and violently suppressing political dissent - should be investigated by journalists, chronicled by historians and, in some instances, tried in ordinary courts."

"There is every reason to fear that the administration will destroy the evidence of its malfeasance and incompetence, especially its abuses of human rights, its violations of the Constitution and its handling of the coronavirus pandemic. Trump routinely tears up notes, papers and other documents - aides call this his "filing system" - in violation of the Presidential Records Act(historians' actions against the administration on this score have so far been unsuccessful)."

"Biden, emphasizing the independence of the Justice Department, has stated that he would neither question its judgment nor interfere with its actions should it decide to pursue charges."
 
2020-10-18 4:27:33 PM  
Ctrl-F feasance:   One mention of malfeasance.  No mention of difference between misfeasance and malfeasance, of which Donny is guilty of a great deal of both.  On going back through the article, your entire argument seems to be that because he wasn't as bad as some other tyrants and a Truth and Reconciliations committee may not be called for, let it go.  Oh yeah, also skip any criminal proceedings because the Dems need to spend some time on self-reflection.

Quite frankly, that is some asinine horsesh*t.  Prosecute Donnie into as many life sentences as possible, and F*CK YOU, Jill Lepore.
 
2020-10-18 4:28:01 PM  
 
2020-10-18 4:28:26 PM  

Malenfant: webron: iheartscotch: Yeah...that would set the terrible precedent that leaders could be held responsible for their own actions.....

The crazy ass insistence that the people in government should not be help accountable is like a cancer killing this country.  EVERY PERSON IN A POSITION OF POWER SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

They should be held to a higher standard than the average American, just like the police, but neither are held to any standard at all.


Here is a guy that gets it.  You should be teaching at Harvard, not the dumbass author.
 
2020-10-18 4:29:52 PM  
Read the article, it was a bunch of BSAB.

I'm admittedly nowhere near as well versed in history as she is, let alone antiquities studies. But that said, it's worth drawing a comparison. One of the things that led roman consuls to become dictators was losing immunity from prosecution after their stint as consul was over. The answer to that isn't that we should make that immunity lifelong, the proper answer is that they shouldn't be immune to it period. The Roman practice was crank the crime dial up to 11 when you could get away with it, then crime it some more to stay in power. Trump is doing the same thing. You can see how well it worked for the roman republic too.
 
2020-10-18 4:30:18 PM  

wildsnowllama: aleister_greynight: By this reasoning we shouldn't have prosecuted Nazi's after WW2 either.

To be fair, as many as we prosecuted many others were hired to run our space program.


And commutated a very large number of prison terms in 1946
We also lost the political will to properly finish the Japanese problem, we simply gave up on. Prosecutions and didn't follow through on the same legal anti fascist laws Germany got
 
2020-10-18 4:32:21 PM  
They should, but I have full expectations that they won't.
 
2020-10-18 4:32:23 PM  

nullandvoid744: Fiat justitia ruat caelum.


Yes
 
2020-10-18 4:32:32 PM  
The only conclusion you can draw from this endless stream of false accusations is that, at least in Washington terms, the man is a saint.
 
2020-10-18 4:33:08 PM  
This twitter thread explains why this ivory tower elitist is exactly wrong.

https://twitter.com/andrew_seal/statu​s​/1317840043688546304

unrolled

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/13​1​7840043688546304.html

worth the read
 
2020-10-18 4:35:33 PM  
Dear Jill:

You should take a look at this, someone is using your letterhead to write stupid stuff.
 
2020-10-18 4:36:40 PM  

Altimus Prime: Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.

My one sad about Kamala as VP is that we won't have Kamala as AG.  She'd have been an AG for the ages.


That's one of the reasons I wanted to see Stacy Abrams as VP, so Harris could be AG and Warren could be either Treasurer or (preferably) Senate majority leader
 
2020-10-18 4:36:44 PM  
I guess they're right. I'm fine moving straight to summary guilty verdicts and harsh sentences. The prosecution is kind of a waste of time considering the orgy of evidence that's already available.
 
2020-10-18 4:40:45 PM  
Make an example of every damn thing they are all guilty for.
 
2020-10-18 4:40:58 PM  
Not prosecuting would be the equivalent of saying it's okay, and inviting future presidents tondo the same.

But prosecuting risks having "tit for tat" revenge prosecutions when the other party gets back in power.

Solution: prosecute under republican judges, so it is clearly not political. If republican judges want to give a pass to criminal acts, make it clearly known that lawlessness is a product of voting republican
 
2020-10-18 4:42:05 PM  
How naive.
 
2020-10-18 4:42:09 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: Biden is walking a tightrope between the concepts Lepore urges and what the left demands. "Let justice decide." He won't advocate for investigations, but neither will he stand in the way of them. This is perhaps the best and only way he and the nation can move forward.


I agree with the rest of your post, but I think this is a crystal-clear signal from Biden that there will be zero investigations, indictments, or prosecutions relating to Trump at the federal level.

Sure, Biden will not interfere with a DOJ that wants to prosecute Trump. But you can be damned sure he'll appoint an AG that has committed to not doing so.
 
2020-10-18 4:43:57 PM  
No, they should get what they deserve, supermax prison cells, only allowed outside 30 minutes a day, and none of them ever get to see each other ever again. Trump, Jared, Ivanka, Don Jr., Eric, Barr, and the rest.

And the Republicans who allowed this absurd shiat to go on, and even actively spoke out in favor of Trump, people like Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, and Lindsey Graham should never be allowed to hold a political office again. Anywhere. 

There should be consequences all around. You don't get to stack 220,000 civilian bodies and walk away.
 
2020-10-18 4:44:29 PM  
emtwo:

How is a op-ed from Jill Lepore a clear signal from Joe?
 
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