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2020-10-18 10:10:27 AM  
I guess the writer has forgotten about and justice for all and all are equal under the law parts being important in the US.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 10:13:31 AM  
If trump has broken laws then he should be prosecuted.

No man is above the law.
 
2020-10-18 10:14:53 AM  
The only lesson to be learned by letting trump and criminal republicans off the hook is that the law doesn't apply to the powerful.
 
2020-10-18 10:15:47 AM  
Every time Republicans aren't prosecuted, they answer with even more reprehensible behavior. Holding them accountable is the only answer. They have no shame.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:26 AM  
If this is not addressed now, we will suffer many more Trumps.
 
2020-10-18 10:52:36 AM  
I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.
 
2020-10-18 10:55:39 AM  
I didn't RTFA, but there are arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their official duties, lest each administration become focused on revenge against their political adversaries.  So things like the Ukraine call, middle east F-35s for peace deals, interference within the CDC -- those all tie in some respect to policy, and you'd be opening many pandora's boxes if prosecution for such things became the norm.  They do that sort of thing in banana republics and cheap autocracies, where the ruling party must always weaken their predecessors to solidify their own hold on power.

Having said that, there are zero arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their own personal enrichment or the enrichment of their families.  Very much the opposite.  We should expect our elected officials to be held to standards of propriety at least as high as those to which we are held.  And conduct by the family of the President not tied to any government function?  Zealous prosecution, always.
 
2020-10-18 10:56:33 AM  

Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.


My one sad about Kamala as VP is that we won't have Kamala as AG.  She'd have been an AG for the ages.
 
2020-10-18 11:02:42 AM  
I don't advocate for doing it but the only argument for not prosecuting the Trumps is because the author believes we should throw them into a lake to see if they float.

If they think we're supposed to let this sort of corruption go unpunished then clearly someone needs to see who they or their spouse have been cashing checks from lately.

This is, without question, the most corrupt administration in American history.  If they don't deserve prosecution, and I mean every single one of them, who does?
 
2020-10-18 11:25:59 AM  

Altimus Prime: I didn't RTFA, but there are arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their official duties, lest each administration become focused on revenge against their political adversaries.  So things like the Ukraine call, middle east F-35s for peace deals, interference within the CDC -- those all tie in some respect to policy, and you'd be opening many pandora's boxes if prosecution for such things became the norm.  They do that sort of thing in banana republics and cheap autocracies, where the ruling party must always weaken their predecessors to solidify their own hold on power.

Having said that, there are zero arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their own personal enrichment or the enrichment of their families.  Very much the opposite.  We should expect our elected officials to be held to standards of propriety at least as high as those to which we are held.  And conduct by the family of the President not tied to any government function?  Zealous prosecution, always.


A whole lot of this.  We don't want to charge for things that conceivably be policy related.  For all the other fraud he's committed, sure.  I think slander is OK, too.  Some of the shiat he's saying about Biden with no zero grounds in truth should come with a penalty, too.
 
2020-10-18 11:40:08 AM  
What would stop future Presidents from being as bad or worse if we were to give Donny a pass?

The writer is a Harvard historian. She really should know better.
 
2020-10-18 11:52:34 AM  

Exluddite: Every time Republicans aren't prosecuted, they answer with even more reprehensible behavior. Holding them accountable is the only answer. They have no shame.


Yes.  And this isn't merely academic.  We have the real-world progression from Watergate to Iran Contra to GWB that illustrates this with terrifying clarity.
 
2020-10-18 12:12:20 PM  
DNRTFA

Yeah, no. Prosecute his ass. Send him to the clinker for the rest of his life.
 
2020-10-18 1:11:09 PM  

Altimus Prime: Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.

My one sad about Kamala as VP is that we won't have Kamala as AG.  She'd have been an AG for the ages.


Question: Is there anything that prevents the VP also serving as AG?
 
2020-10-18 1:28:21 PM  
At first I agreed with the headline, but then I thought This is America. We don't do summary executions here.
 
2020-10-18 1:52:36 PM  
This is why I don't punish children for killing the dog and burning the house down. Let history judge.
 
2020-10-18 1:54:47 PM  
Yeah...that would set the terrible precedent that leaders could be held responsible for their own actions.....
 
2020-10-18 2:01:22 PM  

Altimus Prime: I didn't RTFA, but there are arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their official duties, lest each administration become focused on revenge against their political adversaries.  So things like the Ukraine call, middle east F-35s for peace deals, interference within the CDC -- those all tie in some respect to policy, and you'd be opening many pandora's boxes if prosecution for such things became the norm.  They do that sort of thing in banana republics and cheap autocracies, where the ruling party must always weaken their predecessors to solidify their own hold on power.

Having said that, there are zero arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their own personal enrichment or the enrichment of their families.  Very much the opposite.  We should expect our elected officials to be held to standards of propriety at least as high as those to which we are held.  And conduct by the family of the President not tied to any government function?  Zealous prosecution, always.


"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."  Richard Nixon

What you are suggesting is a dictatorship. Illegal actions by the executive office still need to be prosecuted. Especially calls he made for his own political and financial benifits.

Reagan, Bush, W. Bush got away with a lot. No more.
 
2020-10-18 2:04:44 PM  

labman: Altimus Prime: I didn't RTFA, but there are arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their official duties, lest each administration become focused on revenge against their political adversaries.  So things like the Ukraine call, middle east F-35s for peace deals, interference within the CDC -- those all tie in some respect to policy, and you'd be opening many pandora's boxes if prosecution for such things became the norm.  They do that sort of thing in banana republics and cheap autocracies, where the ruling party must always weaken their predecessors to solidify their own hold on power.

Having said that, there are zero arguments to be made that Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted for conduct tied to their own personal enrichment or the enrichment of their families.  Very much the opposite.  We should expect our elected officials to be held to standards of propriety at least as high as those to which we are held.  And conduct by the family of the President not tied to any government function?  Zealous prosecution, always.

A whole lot of this.  We don't want to charge for things that conceivably be policy related.  For all the other fraud he's committed, sure.  I think slander is OK, too.  Some of the shiat he's saying about Biden with no zero grounds in truth should come with a penalty, too.


fark off.

Using your presidency as a means to grift their American public and use foreign policies to further their own political gain, should be punished.
 
2020-10-18 2:08:45 PM  
This country will not survive without an attempt to make Trump account for his blatant and repeated corruption, abuse of power and obstruction of justice, because without an credible deterrent the next guy like him will arrive on the scene before long, and he or she will be a lot smarter than Trump--as just about everyone is smarter than him--and that will be the ball game.
 
2020-10-18 2:29:59 PM  
By this reasoning we shouldn't have prosecuted Nazi's after WW2 either.
 
2020-10-18 2:47:39 PM  
Whoever that is should be fully ignored.

If you aren't gonna hold the most powerful people in America responsible for their crimes, then what's the damn point of anything.
 
2020-10-18 3:09:46 PM  
Of we don't punish Trump, there might not be a future (U.S.) history.
 
2020-10-18 3:24:49 PM  
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Isn't that the drum that Republicans are constantly beating (when they take a break from beating their wives)?
 
2020-10-18 3:32:40 PM  
That GWB and his administration was not subject to criminal investigation and prosecution under Obama is instructive to the strengths and failings of her argument. The transfer of power between Obama and Bush not only was peaceful, but there was effective coordination between the two administrations that allowed Obama some victories in his own administration, which were victories for the nation itself. But allowing certain Bush policies to slide without scrutiny left Trump with leverage to foist his own criminal actions onto the public.

But here's a big difference in Bush's administration and Trump's - there may have been actions which would ultimately be deemed so illegal as to be impeachable, but one cannot say his administration was based on an underpinning of lawlessness. The Trump administration has no vision of anything but holding power and making money for themselves or their donors. Not only are Trump policies morally bankrupt, but they require stretching and breaking our laws and norms to effect them. His border policies, his international policies, how his administration is run, how administration members campaign for him, how staff communication and the execution of Trump policies are masked, the entire way Trump's government is run is corrosive and illegal, and the entire thing escapes accountability using legal footdragging and a complicit senate.

The author's urging of abstaining from making partisanship illegal is strong for normal administrations but weak for problematic administrations that allow bad policies to become precedence, and worst for such an obvious anomaly as this administration is. Heck, even now, Trump is telling his rally goers that his opponent should be imprisoned.

Biden is walking a tightrope between the concepts Lepore urges and what the left demands. "Let justice decide." He won't advocate for investigations, but neither will he stand in the way of them. This is perhaps the best and only way he and the nation can move forward. He will be free of the appearance of a political witch hunt, and the DOJ can punish the Trump administration for the most serious of its transgressions. In the meantime, apart from Biden changing policies of the executive branch to fall back in line of fair play, congress has the heaviest lifting to fix what Trump and the Republicans broke.
 
2020-10-18 3:51:48 PM  
Dear author,

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2020-10-18 3:52:20 PM  
LOL.

No.
 
2020-10-18 3:54:12 PM  
Oh! Like when we put Iran Contra behind us for the good of the country and every Republican mouth breathing commentator said the Dems were weak?

I want heads on pikes as a warning to the next ten generations that something's come with too high a price.  Call it Vir's Revenge.
 
2020-10-18 3:54:26 PM  
Come January I expect we'll be hearing a LOT of  "we need to move past partisan politics and Heal As A Nation"
 
2020-10-18 3:54:42 PM  
fark anybody who stands in the way of delivering justice to this crime family.
 
2020-10-18 3:56:10 PM  

Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.


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I prefer this gentleman.
 
2020-10-18 3:56:12 PM  
I think we should join the international court, and send him the Hague for trial so it will be non partisan.
 
2020-10-18 3:56:30 PM  
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2020-10-18 3:57:10 PM  
They walk and America is done.

Won't happen right away, but it will happen.
 
2020-10-18 3:57:49 PM  
If you do not prosecute him future Republican Presidents will openly commit worse crimes.

If you do prosecute him, the next Republican Presidents will have to at least try to hide their crimes.
 
2020-10-18 3:58:50 PM  
Trump getting away with these crimes will be the white liberal wake up call that minorities have always heard.
 
2020-10-18 3:58:52 PM  
Translation: "Let Trump Get Away With Everything And Keep All The Millions He Stole From You"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0sK​6​5PyVI&ab_channel=CristianShowman

Daniel Bryan No! No! No!
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2020-10-18 3:58:53 PM  

not enough beer: Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.

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I prefer this gentleman.


Yates and Bharara, both are perfectly acceptable. Nay, perfectly awesome. Yates might go through confirmation easier than Bharara, as I think senate Republicans would be more f*ckerish against Bharara for "being too partisan".
 
2020-10-18 3:59:00 PM  
Prosecuted, convicted, shot live on tv to show the entire world and especially his supporters what happens to treasonous farks.
 
2020-10-18 4:00:11 PM  
Dear Jill Lepore, Fark you.

Strongly worded letter to follow.

Signed the American People.

/ Seriously Trump keeps climbing higher on the fascist pole, running from his crimes, so it seems he wants to go out Mussolini style.
// An independent investigation w/ full authority to go where it is needed to go would really shake shiat up in DC.
/// Which is the real argument against prosecution. The argument for prosecution is 200 million strong and growing.

P.S. history has roughly judged many a person in the past, and they are not remembered by anyone save a few dusty historians. For now the people need justice. and unless they get bought off w/ tripe, it ain't gonna end there.
 
2020-10-18 4:00:58 PM  
There is precedent in the form of Nixon that can be debated. The rest of them? Lock them up.
 
2020-10-18 4:01:01 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: not enough beer: Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.

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I prefer this gentleman.

Yates and Bharara, both are perfectly acceptable. Nay, perfectly awesome. Yates might go through confirmation easier than Bharara, as I think senate Republicans would be more f*ckerish against Bharara for "being too partisan".


Well yeah. Bharara was a nightmare for politicians and bigger money in the SDNY. Yates would have the problem of having been fired while trying to warn Trump about Russia.  They are both tough as nails and both going to be a lightening rod.
 
2020-10-18 4:02:16 PM  
Pence says he has faith in our justice system.  So, put Trump on trial and let the jury decide.  If he's convicted, and he really believes he's a saint, he can let history vindicate him.
 
2020-10-18 4:02:40 PM  
Well good thing he is only a political expert and not a legal expert.
 
2020-10-18 4:03:06 PM  

Airius: I think we should join the international court, and send him the Hague for trial so it will be non partisan.


And they cannot be pardoned by a later administration
Add Bush II administration to the pile as well
 
2020-10-18 4:03:49 PM  
"Professor of American History at Harvard"

And oh, BTW, burning private ivy league education to the ground would greatly clean up government too.
 
2020-10-18 4:04:22 PM  

Badmoodman: I'll trust Atty General Sally Yates.


And Second Atty General Preet Bharara.

/cuz you're gonna need more than one
 
2020-10-18 4:05:23 PM  
You don't get a pass just be you were president.  We are all equal under the law.
 
2020-10-18 4:05:55 PM  

Jack Sabbath: At first I agreed with the headline, but then I thought This is America. We don't do summary executions here.


Why not? It seems if the elites won't respect the laws of the land, then why should we rabble have to?
 
2020-10-18 4:06:05 PM  
BullSchit I tell ya!!!
 
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