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(The New York Times)   The biggest danger we face as we head into our first COVID holiday season is pandemic fatigue. "People are done putting hearts on their windows and teddy bears out for scavenger hunts"   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-10-18 10:12:56 AM  
64 votes:
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2020-10-18 9:25:55 AM  
42 votes:
 
2020-10-18 9:53:46 AM  
35 votes:
If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/​12​/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-le​aders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movement​/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.
 
2020-10-18 9:35:05 AM  
31 votes:
I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.
 
2020-10-18 9:54:09 AM  
28 votes:

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.
 
2020-10-18 10:46:55 AM  
20 votes:
I am getting so tired of these pandemic fatigue articles.
 
2020-10-18 10:02:50 AM  
17 votes:
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2020-10-18 9:44:30 AM  
17 votes:

H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.


That was the weirdest filter own I've seen in a while.
 
2020-10-18 9:55:31 AM  
15 votes:

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


Turtles.  I'm afraid of turtles.

** rolls eyes **
 
2020-10-18 10:23:50 AM  
12 votes:
Jeebus Saves: If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.

You need to be specific. The three (3) precautions described by the Boobies were recommended under the advisory quarantine I observed from February thru June when my school was reopened.

The Boobies is likely a personal and factual anecdote about a spouse being as careful as possible while your post dismisses an innocent framing of the three precautions as having a basis in science...

The Boobies is useful information about what others do and have done and is relevant to a discussion about how that produces a fatigue over time when other people ignore behaviors that mitigate advancing COVID-19.

Your dismissal provides no basis for what "science" has or has not recommended. It's a naked assertion. And smartied several times, your dismissal persuades to any who read this thread that such useful information is misguided or incorrect, but without your stating how or why.

Please Be Specific: How are the three procedures described not mitigating behaviors to avoid contracting COVID-19?
 
2020-10-18 11:25:18 AM  
11 votes:
People are tired of being "locked up" for a NOVEL corona virus...(in fact an engineered Chinese corona virus).
It's a virus.  You can't really stop it or slow it down.  As with any virus throughout the human existence, the
human antibodies will have to ward it off.  We have never had an effective "flu" vaccine because the nature
of a virus is to mutate, to try to override the human antibodies defense.  Just get over it already.  Wash your
hands, stay home if you don't feel well, keep those most at risk away from people and just get on with life.
 
2020-10-18 9:56:13 AM  
11 votes:

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


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HOW!  Dammit.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:51 AM  
9 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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2020-10-18 9:42:56 AM  
9 votes:

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?
 
2020-10-18 8:42:09 AM  
9 votes:
Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.
 
2020-10-18 10:34:17 AM  
8 votes:

H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.


The death rate is well below 1% right now.
 
2020-10-18 10:02:11 AM  
8 votes:

berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.


Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.
 
2020-10-18 11:15:06 AM  
7 votes:

FlippityFlap: I've been using clippers for years, since 1/3 of my hair went away, and the rest stopped growing very much. The hardest part was getting the hairline around the ears right, I've mangled the top of my earlobes more than a few times...


CSB: I cut my hair for the first time ever this year using a Wahl clippers set to 2. I thought I did a decent job without even looking at it. I looked in the mirror a day later and noticed these ridiculous hair wings at the temples like Bozo the clown, It was like I was trying out for Dumb and Dumber part 4
 
2020-10-18 11:36:03 AM  
6 votes:

FormlessOne: it's a familiar mental illness, so I can cope.


The great thing about chronic anxiety is that it's always exciting.
 
2020-10-18 10:25:21 AM  
6 votes:

thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.


looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-he​a​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D
 
2020-10-18 11:48:32 AM  
5 votes:

fanbladesaresharp: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.

Oh lawd, you ain't kidding. If a $20 DVD player wasn't riot inciting enough.


What's a dvd?
 
2020-10-18 10:55:19 AM  
5 votes:
I was talking about this the other day in another thread. Basic human psychology can only be overridden/limited for a short time at best and social distancing WILL diminish and eventually fail as more and more people either get Covid and recover, or know someone who gets it and recovers and we all slowly realize that the sky isn't falling.

The best things you can do in the meantime: turn off the news completely, get some exercise, and spend time with people that you care about, because we definitely shouldn't be waiting for the government to give us permission to celebrate the holidays or live as we see fit.
 
2020-10-18 1:58:16 PM  
4 votes:

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


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2020-10-18 11:25:56 AM  
4 votes:

The_Sponge: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.


No shiat
But selfish pricks need to fly on planes and go to motorcycle rallies and party so ya
It's the new normal
Thanks
 
2020-10-18 11:00:40 AM  
4 votes:
Avoiding relatives has been the best thing about this whole mess.
 
2020-10-18 10:21:09 AM  
4 votes:

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


drowning in blood
 
2020-10-18 9:56:50 AM  
4 votes:
Remember the early days when people thought it was just going to be like a winter storm and melt in due time while stockpiling toilet paper? Easter miracle?  Rona is now permanently with us endemically. No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.
/the groundhog emerges and gazes upon the steel gray sky
 
2020-10-18 9:35:40 AM  
4 votes:

August11: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

The wife and I are fortunate: we have good incomes and can work from laptops. We read a lot before this pandemic. We like to cook. We play a lot of Scrabble. We have a big garden and chickens and a sweetheart dog. So no fatigue here.

But as my wife reminds me: back up two decades and we would not be able to work from home. 500 square foot apartment. No yard. No dog. Yeah, I can see some being fatigued more than others. And I hope for them this is not the new normal. But I suspect it is.


It's probably not the new normal, no.  People and politicians haven't learned a darn thing, true.  But research on COVID-19 is progressing rapidly, treatment is getting far more effective, and promising vaccines are emerging.  Worst case eventually this WILL be just like the flu... with a lot of work done to make that happen.

But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.
 
2020-10-18 6:40:36 PM  
3 votes:

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


Same here.
Finally solved the mystery of what my real hair color is, now that my hair has grown past my elbows.
 
2020-10-18 2:04:08 PM  
3 votes:

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


It is astounding to me that anyone continues trying to push this lie that we somehow have to choose between "infect everyone with a neuroinvasive virus" and "the economy."

Wanna know what will "destroy the economy?" 15-25% of the entire population suffering permanent neurological and physiological damage.
 
2020-10-18 12:04:39 PM  
3 votes:
On the plus side, nobody's banging their damn pots and pans anymore.
 
2020-10-18 11:43:39 AM  
3 votes:

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


I've reached the scissors milestone. It took me a number of months after perfecting the buzzer. My top had grown way too long. Like Robert Smith on any hair day. My wife liked it, but all cats are grey anyway.

/Another cup of coffee please.
 
2020-10-18 10:59:20 AM  
3 votes:

Tchernobog: Gotta admit I'm getting pretty tired of the whole thing.

That does not, under any circumstances, mean I will not remain vigilant in doing my best to protect myself and others.


/But damn if I don't miss 50 cent wing Mondays and beers with friends.


I'm tired of the f*ckups in the Trump administration.

If we had a decent federal leadership,  the spring shutdown would have had more of an effect.

The fact that we are 8 months in and no better is astounding.
 
2020-10-18 10:30:12 AM  
3 votes:

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


I'm tempted to go for the self-inflicted salad bowl cut. Not like I eat salads anyway, and after I cut my hair a few shots of vodka will help my looks.
 
2020-10-18 10:04:15 AM  
3 votes:
Sometimes I feel like a chump doing all this social distancing and mask wearing while some people don't seem to give a shiat.  But then sometimes I feel broke because everyone has a nicer car than me and goes on vacation all the time, but I save 30% of my salary.  I'm better off this way.  Nobody said delaying gratification was fun.
 
2020-10-18 10:03:47 AM  
3 votes:
Oh you're tired of it? How special and unique. I'm definitely not tired of it. But I guess what better time to give up than 3  months before the first vaccine is approved?
 
2020-10-18 9:46:24 AM  
3 votes:

Daniel Boone's Farm: I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.


If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.
 
2020-10-18 9:43:01 AM  
3 votes:

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.
 
2020-10-18 9:40:00 AM  
3 votes:

whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away


LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.
 
2020-10-18 5:03:17 PM  
2 votes:

OlderGuy: yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.

He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....

You're thinking of Louis Agassiz and his exploration up the Wazoo in South America.

Did he find Darwin ?


Mostly just fish.
 
2020-10-18 4:54:31 PM  
2 votes:

Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.


I believe the virus is disabled at 134 degrees after a minute and a half that might be the half-life I'm not sure

you can get a barrel sauna for under 3000

I usually run mine at 160 or 170 on the level at which I lay

I understand it is disabled more quickly in a moist heat than a dry heat
 
2020-10-18 3:59:52 PM  
2 votes:

AwfulObject: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...

Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.


Oh blah farking blah blah blah.

She has been part of the DC problem since at least the 90s.  To think she would have had any significant impact on the spread of Covid is naive.
 
2020-10-18 3:58:19 PM  
2 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective va ...



You point out a lot of inconsistencies and ask a lot of really important questions.

Unfortunately, the only thing I can suggest is that despite the fact that Covid-19 is real, stop actually thinking about all of this in the context of public health, and instead, listen to the globalist elites and oligarchs when they tell us that this is the opportunity to enact a "great economic reset" and accordingly that all of this anxiety, fear, contradiction, and confusion which constitutes the "new normal" is by design and isn't going away, because the goal of zero covid cases not only isn't remotely realistic, it isn't the point. The point is to condition us and force us to be docile - scared people are easily manipulated - as they usher in a new technocratic authoritarian era of social tracking, surveillance, and vaccination profits for the politically connected.

Get ready for 2021 to be a mirror image of 2020, with forced vaccinations and further deliberate economic collapse on top of likely further social unrest and violence caused by the likes of BLM and Antifa.
 
2020-10-18 3:22:03 PM  
2 votes:

G. Tarrant: The article is pretty spot-on. The people I know, including myself and my husband, who have tried to do the right things are more than tired and frustrated with the people that have ignored the pandemic and done whatever they wanted, and ended up prolonging this thing. And while a lot of people who have gone and continued to travel or whatever have contracted the virus, a lot more of them have not, and the ones that haven't take the fact that they haven't as proof that they are the "smart ones" who are able to continue to do whatever they want (and do so more cheaply, and in places not nearly as crowded, as they might otherwise be).

Meanwhile, those of us who canceled vacations, avoid groups, go out masked, shop only when necessary, etc. are frustrated by the fact that had those other people done the right things, we might be on the other side of this. But since we're pretty convinced that those people - backed by idiotic politicians, largely Republicans, downplaying the whole thing - aren't going to change their ways, at some point you start wondering if you should just give in and say to hell with it. And while we aren't yet, it'll happen more and more.


Same here. School here let out in March. We literally isolated ourselves for 3 mos. No going out to eat. No shopping. Nothing . We finally had to start doing grocery pickup at walmart. Then I'd spray it all down before unloading etc. And I know people who did none of the above. Still dont have it and me the wife and grandson have it now. I even sprayed down incoming mail etc.
 
2020-10-18 2:59:56 PM  
2 votes:
Yeah, we went through the motions of trying. Now you're telling me that I still can't go shopping, and travel all over the world? This is unAmerican, and I demand my rights.

Or I'll just doing the same shiat I always did, because the world probably does revolve around me.
 
2020-10-18 2:21:13 PM  
2 votes:

AwfulObject: Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."

It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swedi​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?


Sacrifice, eh?  Are you willing to sacrifice your job?
 
2020-10-18 12:38:59 PM  
2 votes:

yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.


That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin addiction.  I'm on to you.
 
2020-10-18 11:35:39 AM  
2 votes:

inner ted: gretzkyscores: I was talking about this the other day in another thread. Basic human psychology can only be overridden/limited for a short time at best and social distancing WILL diminish and eventually fail as more and more people either get Covid and recover, or know someone who gets it and recovers and we all slowly realize that the sky isn't falling.

The best things you can do in the meantime: turn off the news completely, get some exercise, and spend time with people that you care about, because we definitely shouldn't be waiting for the government to give us permission to celebrate the holidays or live as we see fit.

And here is a great example of how selfish assholes will keep this going for a long time


We should not have let propagandists on hate-radio and Fox turn so many Americans into delusional, antisocial trash. They've been a disaster waiting to happen for decades, because they can't work with others for the common good.
 
2020-10-18 11:28:44 AM  
2 votes:

RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.


why do you think we don't acknowledge it?  We do, the guy driving a truck is mostly isolated for his route.  the warehouses are doing what they can to keep them safe.  the grocery workers have to stock shelves.We know some people have to physically be places and near other people.

and in return, we are not going to football games, enduring remote teaching, not visiting family cutting out behaviors and activities to keep those who have to work safe.

What we are asking for is everyone who doesn't have to do one of those essential jobs to just stay the fark home and read a book.
 
2020-10-18 11:16:38 AM  
2 votes:

Gramma: some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?

Turtles.  I'm afraid of turtles.

** rolls eyes **


well, it's turtles all the way down, or so i have heard
 
2020-10-18 11:12:12 AM  
2 votes:
My wife is in the travel business and she had vouchers for free airfare, lodging and rental vehicles that were about to expire so we flew across country and visited and hiked thru Arizona and southern Utah for a week and ended up a couple of days in Las Vegas. I preferred not traveling but she was getting really antsy. I have to say for the most part, including air flights and airports, everyone was really conscientious and diligent about face masks, etc. with the exception of southern Utah. Las Vegas was even stranger than normal but every major property on the strip was monitoring visitor temperatures on entry and masks and/or face shields were required. I love traveling but this time it was 50% fun and 50% "am I going to get sick" so not the best travel in the scheme of things. We've been back two weeks and so far so good but I hope our next travels happen when things improve both virologically and politically. I'm fine staying home.
 
2020-10-18 11:06:30 AM  
2 votes:

The_Sponge: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.


Then I guess we should have handled it correctly a few months ago
 
2020-10-18 11:01:11 AM  
2 votes:
My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:21 AM  
2 votes:

Alebak: Every day I see assholes who don't wear their mask over their noses.

People in my neighborhood keep having big get togethers.

I don't wanna hear anything about how we're all in this together because we clearly aren't. I hope that IFa vaccine is made things might lighten up enough that I can go have an in person meet up with friends who are scattered all over the place, but I don't know if it's possible now.


Nope.
Enterprise can suck a bag of Rusty nails. If we ever get a vaccine I'm going to take the vaccine and go about my life but I'm not spending one single superfluous dollar ever again I'm going to set it all on fire after I buy my necessities.
 
2020-10-18 10:09:02 AM  
2 votes:

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.
 
2020-10-18 10:02:29 AM  
2 votes:

not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.


The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out
 
2020-10-18 9:36:26 AM  
2 votes:
Yeah no kidding. We put a ton of effort into isolating and masking and distancing so the government could have time to develop an action plan. But instead Trump and Co. called it a hoax and lashed out against the aforementioned efforts. Why go through all this trouble if it's for nothing?
 
2020-10-18 8:26:06 AM  
2 votes:
I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.

I really think it is despair, you do all you can do then you see some asshole maskless for months alive while your marathon running friend dies. My wife is back to her old steadfast self but having seen it almost break her I get it.
 
2020-10-19 9:30:27 AM  
1 vote:
This is kind of like going on a diet and then quitting.
The reason diets don't work is that they are not viewed as normal behavior.  Which is to say that nobody expects to continue eating so little forever, so naturally they stop eventually and relapse to prior habit, eating more, regaining the weight, and making the diet gurus happy again and again.  The way to be successful is not to diet at all, but rather to establish rigid rules of eating behavior.

We are in a phase of the pandemic where we need to move beyond temporary drastic measures to near permanent, less drastic, measures (at least for most of 2021).

DONT: abandon mask wearing and go to parties, because nobody can stay safe forever.  Resume previous lifestyle of tinder hookups and drunken weekends at bars.

DO: establish a small circle of friends you trust and engage in safe interactions with them.  Wear masks at all times indoors in public and in less open outdoor encounters. Get tested if someone you know is positive and stay isolated until in the clear.  Avoid close interactions with strangers.  Remember that, with such a contagious disease, one person can infect 1000 or more in a day without precautions.  Use video calls to stay close to family and friends. Avoid indoor dining and drinking.
 
2020-10-18 10:07:12 PM  
1 vote:

SomeAmerican: August11: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

The wife and I are fortunate: we have good incomes and can work from laptops. We read a lot before this pandemic. We like to cook. We play a lot of Scrabble. We have a big garden and chickens and a sweetheart dog. So no fatigue here.

But as my wife reminds me: back up two decades and we would not be able to work from home. 500 square foot apartment. No yard. No dog. Yeah, I can see some being fatigued more than others. And I hope for them this is not the new normal. But I suspect it is.

It's probably not the new normal, no.  People and politicians haven't learned a darn thing, true.  But research on COVID-19 is progressing rapidly, treatment is getting far more effective, and promising vaccines are emerging.  Worst case eventually this WILL be just like the flu... with a lot of work done to make that happen.

But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.


Don't worry. Once Biden wins we'll blindly trust government again.
 
2020-10-18 9:39:04 PM  
1 vote:
Pfft, people got tired of it after a few weeks.

I had an idiot coworker say to me today that he thinks the virus will disappear after the election.

/I'm very introverted by nature so other than not seeing my friends in person once every two weeks or so (they are taking it even more seriously than myself), my life really hasn't changed in the slightest.
 
2020-10-18 7:28:32 PM  
1 vote:
I just had some friends go visit family out of town and  now the whole lot of them are positive for Covid.  I really like to travel to my hometown for the holidays, and they would be disappointed if I missed it, but it might be a good idea to not travel this year.  I'm conflicted!

/end Dear Abby-sounding comment
 
2020-10-18 6:52:02 PM  
1 vote:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.

I don't know why no one took you to task for this. I guess people are tuning out your bullshiat.

European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.


Most people no longer see Soviet Tuber's weak sauce.
 
2020-10-18 6:11:46 PM  
1 vote:

yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.

He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....

You're thinking of Louis Agassiz and his exploration up the Wazoo in South America.

Did he find Darwin ?

Mostly just fish.


They have Piranha there.. did he return home or drop in for a bite?
 
2020-10-18 5:51:03 PM  
1 vote:

AwfulObject: Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."

It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swedi​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?


So, this is exactly what I mean. You haven't explained anything really... You've mostly asserted things.

But you did take time to personally attack me. I don't know what news sources you think I follow but I can assure you, you are wrong. I don't follow any particular news source. I see random articles on Fark and I occasionally search Google.

Sweden was all over the news as a complete failure. I started watching it's numbers on the various charting websites and watched as it's per capita numbers continued to improve over the course of months.

It's now 15th and drastically better than the United States.

Saying "well who cares some other country is doing even better" really miss the whole point. Sweden was largely unique in their approach to Covid-19. There are still countries without a single infection, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand what approaches work and what approaches don't.

Especially when we already know Americans won't follow recommendations and our compliance rates will get worse, not better with time.
 
2020-10-18 5:05:33 PM  
1 vote:

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


I don't know why no one took you to task for this. I guess people are tuning out your bullshiat.

European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.
 
2020-10-18 4:59:57 PM  
1 vote:

yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.

He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....

You're thinking of Louis Agassiz and his exploration up the Wazoo in South America.


Did he find Darwin ?
 
2020-10-18 4:53:24 PM  
1 vote:

erik-k: RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.

It is astounding to me that anyone continues trying to push this lie that we somehow have to choose between "infect everyone with a neuroinvasive virus" and "the economy."

Wanna know what will "destroy the economy?" 15-25% of the entire population suffering permanent neurological and physiological damage.


I challenge your notion that intelligence has anything to do with the economy.
 
2020-10-18 4:40:09 PM  
1 vote:

MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.


He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....
 
2020-10-18 4:17:42 PM  
1 vote:
Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.
 
2020-10-18 4:15:00 PM  
1 vote:

not enough beer: fanbladesaresharp: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.

Oh lawd, you ain't kidding. If a $20 DVD player wasn't riot inciting enough.

What's a dvd?


C'mon man, do we have to explain Walmart Black Friday history to you?
 
2020-10-18 3:56:02 PM  
1 vote:

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


The Great Barrington Declaration relies on a few key assumptions, none of which I believe are true:

* Herd immunity can be reached with as few as 1 in 5 people being personally immune to COVID. The most accurate estimates of the virus's base reproduction rate are much closer to that of polio than influenza. That means we need more than 4 in 5 people with personal immunity to COVID to gain the benefits of herd immunity.

* COVID spreads in a steady manner, i.e. any single case will result in the same number of people getting infected as any other. The spread of COVID appears to be overdispersed, meaning that most infections end with nobody else acquiring the virus and a small number of infections result in superspreading events. If we fail to stop those superspreading events, we make no progress in stopping its spread; mass gatherings in indoor places without masks and with loud patrons in close contact with each other are tailor-made situations to become these kinds of events, and those are the kinds of events the signers of the declaration want to happen.

* Isolating vulnerable populations is cost-effective. The only successful examples of bubbles I'm aware of came at great cost like that spent by the NBA or MLS for their returns to competition. The many assisted care facilities around the globe can't afford to create such bubbles.

* The only outcomes from a COVID infection are recovery and death. Many people who did not die from their COVID infection (current estimates say 1 in 10 survivors) still show symptoms of their illness more than six months later, long enough for them to qualify for diagnosis with ME/CFS if their symptoms include fatigue, brain fog, and chronic pain.

* Immunity gained through infection is permanent. Thanks to gene sequencing, we know there are several documented examples of people catching COVID twice.

* If immunity isn't permanent, it's likely to provide benefits that would make a second infection less severe. At least one person has probably died of COVID during a second infection. At least one other person was hospitalized during a second infection. It's safe to say these two cases are just the tip of the iceberg.
 
2020-10-18 3:25:21 PM  
1 vote:

cefm: The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.


Not unless the federal had provided a temporary UBI, put a moratorium on evictions in place, maxed out testing, used the Defense Production Act to mandate mask production, created quarantine hotels, conducted a public health education campaign, made all local and county LE agencies responsible for enforcing mask mandates, raised the min. Wage for essential workers to validate their essential status, and all the other things that sane nations did.
 
2020-10-18 2:16:47 PM  
1 vote:
Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."


It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swed​i​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?
 
2020-10-18 1:55:25 PM  
1 vote:

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective va ...


I don't understand what you're rambling about.

If you want to understand how to beat COVID, look at the East Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan. Everyone wears a mask, they do a ridiculous amount of testing, and when someone tests positive, they and everyone they've come into contact with are isolated until they are infection free. Taiwan, a nation with 23 million people, has only had 500 cases and 7 deaths. Florida, with 21 million people, has had 752k cases and 16k deaths.

What went wrong in the US? Simple: People won't wear masks. We don't have enough contact tracers. And despite not having enough testing capacity, there's actually a testing surplus because so few people are being tested.
 
2020-10-18 1:48:46 PM  
1 vote:

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


Theory is that the antibodies last for maybe a year and herd immunity is impossible at the current rate of spread.. So next summer there will either be stories of people catching it a second time or there won't. I'm cool waiting and letting other people be the viral guinea pigs in the herd immunity experiment.
 
2020-10-18 1:42:33 PM  
1 vote:
It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective vaccine. Is the plan to do the very minimal to exist for years?

Most people just say, 'wear masks and Covid will go away, then we reopen'

And again, I don't get it. You know how many cases we had last year? Zero. We had zero and we still saw it spread everywhere. Getting back to zero, unless it is globally (impossible) will just lead to it spreading again, unless we have severe restrictions. So we can't reopen, right?

I also don't understand the differences between countries and how people point to them. Everyone mocked Sweden for, basically, doing nothing.... But as time went on, they kept doing better and better. And everyone just stopped taking about them. Lots of EU countries were doing good, and people said, 'why can't we be like them' but then they started doing a lot worse.

The EU passed the US in active cases per capita

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com​/intelligencer/amp/2020/10/european-un​ion-passes-u-s-in-active-coronavirus-c​ases.html

Also, in the beginning, everyone was focused on the death rate. It was everywhere. It was by age, by county, all sorts. Then we all just stopped taking about it? What happened to that? And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly.

Oh and, my personal favorite, literally everyone I know personally who says we all just need to wear masks.... Fails to properly handle their masks at all. The don't follow CDC guidelines, they don't wash their hands before putting it on/taking it off. They aren't washing it regularly or storing it in a container to prevent contamination.

They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.
 
2020-10-18 1:16:25 PM  
1 vote:

G. Tarrant: But since we're pretty convinced that those people - backed by idiotic politicians, largely Republicans, downplaying the whole thing - aren't going to change their ways, at some point you start wondering if you should just give in and say to hell with it. And while we aren't yet, it'll happen more and more.


Don't. The thing is, saying "to hell with it" doesn't just risk your own health or even your life, but the health & lives of others.

We're demanding selflessness from the country that announced that "greed was good" in the mid-80s, then went ahead & spawned the "Me! Generation," followed by the "ME! ME! ME! Generation," and finally, the "Meme Generation."
 
2020-10-18 1:12:35 PM  
1 vote:

NotThatGuyAgain: yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.

That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin hairoin addiction.  I'm on to you.

 
2020-10-18 12:50:28 PM  
1 vote:

thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.


While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still be politicized to hell an back.

I am looking VERY forward to the inevitable chaos after the election.  Won't matter who wins, there will be chaos with the loser's side accusing the winner's side of cheating.  I love chaos.

/I have a "bottle of JD" bet with a right-side brainwashed friend that Trump will lose, which he will barring some absolute miracle. My friend is so brainwashed he doesn't see the Ds will own the House and Senate next year.
//Put an open bet for "$2000 or the cost of a Fender Strat from the Mod Shop, whichever is less" on FB but got no takers lol.
 
2020-10-18 12:38:15 PM  
1 vote:

The Googles Do Nothing: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

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HOW!  Dammit.


I figured out who to cut my hair as well!

/anyone but me
 
2020-10-18 12:35:50 PM  
1 vote:
Incredible what a well tuned propaganda machine can do.
 
2020-10-18 12:30:12 PM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: FormlessOne: it's a familiar mental illness, so I can cope.

The great thing about chronic anxiety is that it's always exciting.

Tell

me about it. Never a dull day.
 
2020-10-18 11:58:15 AM  
1 vote:
Darwin is way beyond smiling at this point. He's giggling hysterically and masturbating furiously.
 
2020-10-18 11:47:18 AM  
1 vote:

Surrender your boo-tah: geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D

FTFA: Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighboursbut lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Why then are we drawing comparisons between countries that are not Nordic?


Because the author can't compare samples for shiat.

Spain and Italy are full of old people.

The UK is suffering from all the same delusions as Trumpers and is full of people having house parties and other unsafe behaviors because BoJo won't do the job.
 
2020-10-18 11:44:27 AM  
1 vote:

Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.


I really think you'll be alright. I believe that cell-mediated immunity is more important than antibody dependent immunity with this virus. The fact that young people are much more resistant speaks to this, The 1918 influenza virus was the opposite. However, if this is true, the vaccines that don't use live viruses probably won't work.
 
2020-10-18 11:44:01 AM  
1 vote:

geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D


FTFA: Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighboursbut lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Why then are we drawing comparisons between countries that are not Nordic?
 
2020-10-18 11:37:24 AM  
1 vote:

Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.

Sorry to rant.

Anyways, our COVID ward is full, cases in my state and county are increasing, and the public general is getting more lackadaisical with basic precautions by the day.  This is probably going to be at least another two years of bullshiat if we ever get back to normal at all, and frankly it's irksome.


^^^^^^^^^^reposted it's that important
 
2020-10-18 11:37:04 AM  
1 vote:

Gramma: Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?  We do, the guy driving a truck is mostly isolated for his route.  the warehouses are doing what they can to keep them safe.  the grocery workers have to stock shelves.We know some people have to physically be places and near other people.

and in return, we are not going to football games, enduring remote teaching, not visiting family cutting out behaviors and activities to keep those who have to work safe.

What we are asking for is everyone who doesn't have to do one of those essential jobs to just stay the fark home and read a book.


Exactly.  I have nothing but respect for the essential workers that are out there in the thick of things.
People going to bars and parties are being irresponsible and putting everyone at more risk.


They're like drunk drivers. They just don't give a fark about the lives of other people, and behaving responsibly doesn't even occur to them.
 
2020-10-18 11:24:11 AM  
1 vote:

gretzkyscores: I was talking about this the other day in another thread. Basic human psychology can only be overridden/limited for a short time at best and social distancing WILL diminish and eventually fail as more and more people either get Covid and recover, or know someone who gets it and recovers and we all slowly realize that the sky isn't falling.

The best things you can do in the meantime: turn off the news completely, get some exercise, and spend time with people that you care about, because we definitely shouldn't be waiting for the government to give us permission to celebrate the holidays or live as we see fit.


And here is a great example of how selfish assholes will keep this going for a long time
 
2020-10-18 11:22:13 AM  
1 vote:

TDWCom29: thealgorerhythm: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.

Why? I doubt much will change at the local level. Biden (inshallah) will give us national strategies and logistics but folks with Republican governors are still gonna live in lands of free market viral opportunity where business owners are free to force their employees to work without safeguards and invite their customers to swap germs with one another as well. In fact they'll double down on it because in 2021 going mask free will be how to show the commies that you won't be cowed into submission.

Yeah, this is true. I'd like to think Hillary would have handled things better, but the GOP would have fought her from the very beginning about shutdowns as opposed to the very half-assed attempt at a shutdown we had.


Hillary would have handled things better and states where the Republican governors don't have their heads up their asses would probably be significantly better off having accepted all the available testing supports for the population and financial supports for individuals and businesses to ramp up safety capacity. Hell, Hillary would have created a national testing strategy by April, and even in red states it could have been used in coordination by colleges seeking to open up so that you didn't have the patchwork of breakouts that we saw in September.
 
2020-10-18 11:18:54 AM  
1 vote:

TDWCom29: geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D

FTA

Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighbours but lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Yeah, barely behind the US, Italy and the UK in deaths per capita. Winning strategy!


And they have nationalized health care that takes care of the people who get sick. Of course they've had to ration it and force old folks to die at home.

They've also suffered a lot of economic damage because it turns out on the stupid path to herd immunity la la land people start getting scared to go out every time they see a neighbor die. So they lurch back and forth between lucrative viral breakouts and death, followed by viral waning and economic despair. Rinse. Repeat.
 
2020-10-18 11:18:00 AM  
1 vote:

thealgorerhythm: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.

Why? I doubt much will change at the local level. Biden (inshallah) will give us national strategies and logistics but folks with Republican governors are still gonna live in lands of free market viral opportunity where business owners are free to force their employees to work without safeguards and invite their customers to swap germs with one another as well. In fact they'll double down on it because in 2021 going mask free will be how to show the commies that you won't be cowed into submission.


Yeah, this is true. I'd like to think Hillary would have handled things better, but the GOP would have fought her from the very beginning about shutdowns as opposed to the very half-assed attempt at a shutdown we had.
 
2020-10-18 11:16:38 AM  
1 vote:

TDWCom29: Diagonal: Here in (local this area) all of the ICU beds are taken, and the hospitals are trying to farm out patients to outlying cities (without luck). Our curve is going upwards. The last I looked we had over 200 new cases each day. And yet the yahoos are running around without masks or proper hygiene. Yes, (local this area) is the reddest of MAGAt territory.

Ganesh help me!

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Where?


Really not going to doxx myself. But it's the great American midwest... MAGAts everywhere! You'd see lots of Trump flags on pole and hanging from balconies. There was even a mini-parade earlier this week. Lots of big wheel pick-up trucks with trump flags.

It's ghastly.
 
2020-10-18 11:15:33 AM  
1 vote:

NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.


Why? I doubt much will change at the local level. Biden (inshallah) will give us national strategies and logistics but folks with Republican governors are still gonna live in lands of free market viral opportunity where business owners are free to force their employees to work without safeguards and invite their customers to swap germs with one another as well. In fact they'll double down on it because in 2021 going mask free will be how to show the commies that you won't be cowed into submission.
 
2020-10-18 11:15:09 AM  
1 vote:

geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D


FTA

Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighbours but lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Yeah, barely behind the US, Italy and the UK in deaths per capita. Winning strategy!
 
2020-10-18 11:09:49 AM  
1 vote:

NKURyan: Pandemic fatigue = "I will gladly sacrifice a few more months of this tomorrow for one night of pretending to be normal now."


One thing that is particularly dumb is how many people think we could just choose to end this. That if everyone was just fine with a few hundred thousand deaths then we would immediately go back to normal. But that's a lie. People would still avoid risk. Vulnerable people would still have those who cared about them. The people who want to "choose for themselves" are really saying that everyone should agree to risk themselves so that some people can hit the bars. It's an adolescent fantasy.
 
2020-10-18 11:07:20 AM  
1 vote:

skinink: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

I've lucked out over haircuts since I learned to cut my own hair over two years ago. I bought Wahl clippers and a big handheld mirror. I made mistakes, but now I'm good enough to do a decent job.

The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

Remember, YouTube is your friend. You can find tons of videos on how to cut your own hair.


This.

We get to reinvent ourselves.    I learned to sew from an old broken sewing machine, collecting dust.   I was sure this was a world changing event, and we would be wearing masks for a very long time and you could have fun with it.  I knew that sneezing in allergy season (year round) could end a person's life and better stock up on allergy meds.

I learned that fixing the sewing machine (since no new ones were available) made it work better.  I learned that some relatives had left clues and tools that helped -- ingenious little gadgets that old ladies used a hundred years ago.

I learned to make a Zoom chromakey backdrop from pvc pipe and cheap large felt sections.   It's not just for greenhouses and portable puppet theater stages.  I learned how to help the less fortunate troubleshoot or setup their computers, wifi, etc. just over the phone.

I learned my wife is more of a nerd that I ever could guess, and that an  inexpensive Amazon great courses subscription could keep us entertained for the 30 hr average it took to understand Gnosticism or Egyptian Hieroglyphs.

I learned that musicians, who by profession as performance artists are more endangered than most, can figure out how to do concerts worldwide.

For movies remember the last virus killer AIDS.  Somehow the porn industry soldiered on.  If the theatrical unions are anything, they are about the safety of their members.  I'm sure an excellent new art will come out of this.

For TV, stations have so automated it's amazing there is still on camera talent -- which is now a very lonely job.

So glad there is the tech we need to go through this, Professor YouTube especially.
 
2020-10-18 11:05:56 AM  
1 vote:
Here in (local this area) all of the ICU beds are taken, and the hospitals are trying to farm out patients to outlying cities (without luck). Our curve is going upwards. The last I looked we had over 200 new cases each day. And yet the yahoos are running around without masks or proper hygiene. Yes, (local this area) is the reddest of MAGAt territory.

Ganesh help me!

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2020-10-18 11:02:19 AM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: skinink: The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

I've used a Wahl for years but I've never taken a blade to my head.  Kudos to having the patience and steady hand.


I've been using clippers for years, since 1/3 of my hair went away, and the rest stopped growing very much. The hardest part was getting the hairline around the ears right, I've mangled the top of my earlobes more than a few times...
 
2020-10-18 11:01:33 AM  
1 vote:

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


The fark charts are you looking at? The only European countries ahead of America in deaths/per are Belgium and Spain. And the only ones close are the UK which has its own Trump leading things, and Italy who until this week hadn't had a day over 50 deaths since farking June. Oh, and Sweden who was the darling of the right-wing because they decided to say "fark it". And our economic recovery has completely stalled because no one except for the 30% Trump steadfasters want to risk their health to go to Applebees

I know you're a farking dildo troll who isn't above just making stuff up. But....well, I'm not really sure how to finish that sentence
 
2020-10-18 10:57:22 AM  
1 vote:

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.
 
2020-10-18 10:54:55 AM  
1 vote:

zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.


Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.
 
2020-10-18 10:50:08 AM  
1 vote:
I'm mostly just tired of the smug idiots who want to tell you the "real" numbers and how herd immunity should work. They've got the plain idiocy of Flat Earthers crossed with the unearned arrogance of white supremacists.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:56 AM  
1 vote:

Gramma: Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


I just embraced the 70's hippie look.

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2020-10-18 10:48:25 AM  
1 vote:

Outshined_One: geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D

Yeah, about that story...

The problem with the herd immunity approach is (1) it's next to impossible without a vaccine, (b) it requires a hell of a lot of dead people, (*) it can take centuries to remove susceptible genetic material from the gene pool (see: black plague) and (-) this virus doesn't seem to generate long-lasting antibodies after infection.


...and that's what I get for knee jerk responding and not clicking the link.
 
2020-10-18 10:47:47 AM  
1 vote:

geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D


Yeah, about that story...

The problem with the herd immunity approach is (1) it's next to impossible without a vaccine, (b) it requires a hell of a lot of dead people, (*) it can take centuries to remove susceptible genetic material from the gene pool (see: black plague) and (-) this virus doesn't seem to generate long-lasting antibodies after infection.
 
2020-10-18 10:41:47 AM  
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buravirgil: Jeebus Saves: If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.

You need to be specific. The three (3) precautions described by the Boobies were recommended under the advisory quarantine I observed from February thru June when my school was reopened.

The Boobies is likely a personal and factual anecdote about a spouse being as careful as possible while your post dismisses an innocent framing of the three precautions as having a basis in science...

The Boobies is useful information about what others do and have done and is relevant to a discussion about how that produces a fatigue over time when other people ignore behaviors that mitigate advancing COVID-19.

Your dismissal provides no basis for what "science" has or has not recommended. It's a naked assertion. And smartied several times, your dismissal persuades to any who read this thread that such useful information is misguided or incorrect, but without your stating how or why.

Please Be Specific: How are the three procedures described not mitigating behaviors to avoid contracting COVID-19?


You are correct.  In the before times, I used to have my groceries delivered.  We had a bad flu come through here. I did everything your wife did.  The delivery guy saw what I was doing and talked to his boss.  The next day they had tables set up with supplies and instructions on how to do it as well as posters reminding you why to do it.
The next day we had our first flu death.
After that every store had a sanitizing station.
 
2020-10-18 10:35:39 AM  
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RussianPotato: Normal people can only maintain a state of heightened awareness for a very short period of time.


This is true. However, molding new habits takes time, and requires dedication, things Americans have no patience for. America treated Covid like a crash diet, not a lifestyle change. The urgency to change is there, but as soon as you see small results you go back to your old habits. That is not sustainable for long term with a virus that doesn't see borders, doesn't care about political affiliation or regional preferences. And the haphazard response is why we're still riding the first wave while the second wave is coming in.

If we had leadership that would reassure the masses and give support for these unusual circumstances, we may be in a better place. We have no attention span for hardship. I can't imagine Americans of today living with extended restrictions and hardship like during World War II. We'd never make it through.
 
2020-10-18 10:33:17 AM  
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The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.
 
2020-10-18 10:24:34 AM  
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Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


I say go for it. If you screw up then it's other peoples' problem. Just avoid mirrors and wear hats.
 
2020-10-18 10:07:07 AM  
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And when they get tired of it, the holidays will be right around the corner. Nothing like "taking a little break from the stress" for a big family dinner.

The virus does not care at all what day it is, how long you've been stressed, or if you totally swear you've been really good in wearing a mask. It does not care. It's goal is to find new hosts and reproduce.

I'm an accountant and I understand this crap. It's not hard. Thanksgiving is possible with precautions. Maybe do small groups of people in various rooms during meals and everyone wear a mask for community time afterwards. Or maybe spread it out to a couple of days, and serve chicken instead of turkey to ease cooking. Or everyone eats at home with a big group video chat.

These are not insurmountable obstacles. They just require being slightly inconvenienced to save lives of people you care about.
 
2020-10-18 10:06:29 AM  
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RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


This is why our company has only let a few people back into their USA offices and has been enforcing large separations between workers and masks at all times.  They've seen how it worked to save lives in Europe and business has continued almost at pre-pandemic levels.  I don't think work-from-home will exist long after it's safe to be in crowds again, but as long as consumers have money, the world economy keeps on going.
 
2020-10-18 10:04:06 AM  
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Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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2020-10-18 10:03:45 AM  
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Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


The media feeds the bad news. Not just the pandemic, but every news "story" is negative. Turn it off.
 
2020-10-18 9:50:36 AM  
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Gotta admit I'm getting pretty tired of the whole thing.

That does not, under any circumstances, mean I will not remain vigilant in doing my best to protect myself and others.


/But damn if I don't miss 50 cent wing Mondays and beers with friends.
 
2020-10-18 9:48:55 AM  
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This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.
 
2020-10-18 9:46:37 AM  
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Tomahawk513: Yeah no kidding. We put a ton of effort into isolating and masking and distancing so the government could have time to develop an action plan. But instead Trump and Co. called it a hoax and lashed out against the aforementioned efforts. Why go through all this trouble if it's for nothing?


I think this is one of the many factors driving the huge turnout right now. Seeing our leaders ignore and ridicule the sacrifices that everyday Americans were making was and is infuriating. Especially when those same people then catch COVID and have access to the quality of treatment they've been denying to everyone else. (Proudly denying too)

So yeah, it's dispiriting to see that. But perhaps it's motivating people to not stay on the sidelines during an election.
 
2020-10-18 8:37:38 AM  
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I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.
 
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