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(The New York Times)   The biggest danger we face as we head into our first COVID holiday season is pandemic fatigue. "People are done putting hearts on their windows and teddy bears out for scavenger hunts"   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-10-18 12:32:06 PM  

H31N0US: This is not, I repeat not on the same level as the flu yet.


And of course that just depends on how you try to compare them.  The flu has killed many many many more people than Covid19.  It's been around a lot longer. 

Lies, damn lies and statistics!
 
2020-10-18 12:33:07 PM  

bfh0417: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

The media feeds the bad news. Not just the pandemic, but every news "story" is negative. Turn it off.


Fark isn't much different than that these days.
 
2020-10-18 12:35:50 PM  
Incredible what a well tuned propaganda machine can do.
 
2020-10-18 12:37:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: NotThatGuyAgain: not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.

The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out

Publix is selling a 24 pack for $9.99. I have two.


Oh, I didn't mean to imply I can't find it or expect shortages soon.

I generally shop at BJs and I live alone.  One megapack fits perfectly in a bathroom cabinet and lasts a long damn time, like I think I last bought some in April lol.

And in case anyone says a wholesale club doesn't really work for people who live alone, vacuum sealer + freezer saves me a TON of money.
 
2020-10-18 12:38:15 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

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HOW!  Dammit.


I figured out who to cut my hair as well!

/anyone but me
 
2020-10-18 12:38:59 PM  

yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.


That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin addiction.  I'm on to you.
 
2020-10-18 12:49:15 PM  

Hyjamon: RTOGUY: Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?

Because I've been working with the public steadily the entire time and hear what they say to me.

you mean the public you are serving call you a plague rat to your face?  damn dude, move to a nicer place?  that sucks.


I had a buddy flies for a cargo company. The ones making it possible for people to stay home. His neighbors in his condo petitioned the board to try to force him to stay in a hotel. I am essential worker who has been having to go to work since the beginning and I had one or two farkers tell me to measure myself for a casket.
 
2020-10-18 12:50:28 PM  

thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.


While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still be politicized to hell an back.

I am looking VERY forward to the inevitable chaos after the election.  Won't matter who wins, there will be chaos with the loser's side accusing the winner's side of cheating.  I love chaos.

/I have a "bottle of JD" bet with a right-side brainwashed friend that Trump will lose, which he will barring some absolute miracle. My friend is so brainwashed he doesn't see the Ds will own the House and Senate next year.
//Put an open bet for "$2000 or the cost of a Fender Strat from the Mod Shop, whichever is less" on FB but got no takers lol.
 
2020-10-18 12:52:51 PM  

H31N0US: not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.

Fair point, and I agree with that assessment. Now apply the same rationale to the common flu, and the death rate for that begins to round to zero. Lots of people get mild cases of the flu without seeking treatment. I have family in healthcare, and none of them remember a flu season that even came close to what Covid is doing to their hospitals. This is not, I repeat not on the same level as the flu yet.

1% means 1% of diagnosed cases. That should go without saying.


Fair but so many people do mix and match statistics I can't keep straight what people's arguments are anymore.
 
2020-10-18 1:07:59 PM  

not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.


You are speculating.  There is no way that more than 10 percent of the population has already been infected.

No matter how much you try to downplay this, Trump will not grab your pussy.
 
2020-10-18 1:10:40 PM  
Took my daughter to Severs Fall Festival yesterday. On the way up we drove by the big yellow candy store. Must've been a hundred people in line waiting to get inside. Saw a few masks and zero social distancing. We spent an hour at Severs and it started to sprinkle so we left. Driving by the big yellow candy store on the way home we saw just as many people in line. I hate this shiat. I hate that it's normal for my three year old to ask for her mask when we go anywhere. I get it. I'm still doing my duty distancing and masking up. We have a long road ahead of us I think. On the way home I thought of that movie Millennium. Haven't seen it in twenty years, but I never forgot that quote at the end. "This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end. It is the end of the beginning."
 
2020-10-18 1:11:58 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...


Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.
 
2020-10-18 1:12:35 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.

That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin hairoin addiction.  I'm on to you.

 
2020-10-18 1:16:25 PM  

G. Tarrant: But since we're pretty convinced that those people - backed by idiotic politicians, largely Republicans, downplaying the whole thing - aren't going to change their ways, at some point you start wondering if you should just give in and say to hell with it. And while we aren't yet, it'll happen more and more.


Don't. The thing is, saying "to hell with it" doesn't just risk your own health or even your life, but the health & lives of others.

We're demanding selflessness from the country that announced that "greed was good" in the mid-80s, then went ahead & spawned the "Me! Generation," followed by the "ME! ME! ME! Generation," and finally, the "Meme Generation."
 
2020-10-18 1:25:37 PM  

bfh0417: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

The media feeds the bad news. Not just the pandemic, but every news "story" is negative. Turn it off.


All of your comments are negative, should we turn you off?
 
2020-10-18 1:35:07 PM  

zeroman987: not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.

You are speculating.  There is no way that more than 10 percent of the population has already been infected.

No matter how much you try to downplay this, Trump will not grab your pussy.


I am down playing this?  I have never down played this and now I am a Trump Supporter?  Fark off. One in five to ten was the last estimate i saw from experts I may be wrong but still.
 
2020-10-18 1:39:26 PM  

zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.


8 million positive tests, countless infected, never tested, never symptomatic. Current best estimates are 15% have had it as of end of September.
 
2020-10-18 1:42:33 PM  
It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective vaccine. Is the plan to do the very minimal to exist for years?

Most people just say, 'wear masks and Covid will go away, then we reopen'

And again, I don't get it. You know how many cases we had last year? Zero. We had zero and we still saw it spread everywhere. Getting back to zero, unless it is globally (impossible) will just lead to it spreading again, unless we have severe restrictions. So we can't reopen, right?

I also don't understand the differences between countries and how people point to them. Everyone mocked Sweden for, basically, doing nothing.... But as time went on, they kept doing better and better. And everyone just stopped taking about them. Lots of EU countries were doing good, and people said, 'why can't we be like them' but then they started doing a lot worse.

The EU passed the US in active cases per capita

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com​/intelligencer/amp/2020/10/european-un​ion-passes-u-s-in-active-coronavirus-c​ases.html

Also, in the beginning, everyone was focused on the death rate. It was everywhere. It was by age, by county, all sorts. Then we all just stopped taking about it? What happened to that? And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly.

Oh and, my personal favorite, literally everyone I know personally who says we all just need to wear masks.... Fails to properly handle their masks at all. The don't follow CDC guidelines, they don't wash their hands before putting it on/taking it off. They aren't washing it regularly or storing it in a container to prevent contamination.

They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.
 
2020-10-18 1:43:30 PM  

not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.


People with no training in statistics can quibble over the numbers and percentages all they want online. All I need to know is that even with mask mandates, massive numbers working from home, reduced restaurant/bar capacity and hours, etc Covid has still managed to become the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.
 
2020-10-18 1:48:46 PM  

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


Theory is that the antibodies last for maybe a year and herd immunity is impossible at the current rate of spread.. So next summer there will either be stories of people catching it a second time or there won't. I'm cool waiting and letting other people be the viral guinea pigs in the herd immunity experiment.
 
2020-10-18 1:54:56 PM  
It's not just covid. It's the election and the knowledge that a good chunk of the population is ruining it for everyone else because of ignorance and out in the open racism, both of which fanned by trump.

Covid should never have been a problem. Had cdc been set up right and the monitoring in China really in place it could have been like sars. Dangerous and deadly but not 250k deadly.

Blame Trump. He is responsible. But blame people who voted for him or wrote in "my favorite republican."
 
2020-10-18 1:55:25 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective va ...


I don't understand what you're rambling about.

If you want to understand how to beat COVID, look at the East Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan. Everyone wears a mask, they do a ridiculous amount of testing, and when someone tests positive, they and everyone they've come into contact with are isolated until they are infection free. Taiwan, a nation with 23 million people, has only had 500 cases and 7 deaths. Florida, with 21 million people, has had 752k cases and 16k deaths.

What went wrong in the US? Simple: People won't wear masks. We don't have enough contact tracers. And despite not having enough testing capacity, there's actually a testing surplus because so few people are being tested.
 
2020-10-18 1:58:16 PM  

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


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2020-10-18 1:59:53 PM  

Eightballjacket: Worry about people, not surfaces.


If hitting a long shot is beneficial to them, people think it's going to happen any moment now
If hitting a long shot is detrimental to them, people think that would never happen to me

well some people think that way anyway
 
2020-10-18 2:00:31 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.


have you not seen pictures of healthcare workers doing all of that?

we can barely get people to wear a mask, now you want goggles and earmuffs?

Honestly they should wear all of that, but out of those three things, the mask is the most useful.

start simple.
 
2020-10-18 2:03:02 PM  
There's "pandemic fatigue" and then there are people who still won't wear a damn mask and never stopped going to crowded places like bars.
 
2020-10-18 2:04:08 PM  

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


It is astounding to me that anyone continues trying to push this lie that we somehow have to choose between "infect everyone with a neuroinvasive virus" and "the economy."

Wanna know what will "destroy the economy?" 15-25% of the entire population suffering permanent neurological and physiological damage.
 
2020-10-18 2:11:08 PM  

inner ted: The_Sponge: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.

No shiat
But selfish pricks need to fly on planes and go to motorcycle rallies and party so ya
It's the new normal
Thanks


Oh yeah?  Well flew down to Portland last weekend.  So  nyah!
 
2020-10-18 2:16:47 PM  
Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."


It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swed​i​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?
 
2020-10-18 2:19:55 PM  

cefm: The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.


You mean like they did in Europe?

"Coronavirus cases hit records in Europe, surpassing U.S. numbers"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/​e​urope/covid-europe-records/2020/10/15/​0126c256-0ee7-11eb-b404-8d1e675ec701_s​tory.html
 
2020-10-18 2:21:13 PM  

AwfulObject: Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."

It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swedi​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?


Sacrifice, eh?  Are you willing to sacrifice your job?
 
2020-10-18 2:22:13 PM  
I hate wearing masks. I always wear a mask. We have not been able to track its long term effects, but they've seen people suffer from respiratory problems for months after they "recovered."

What part of "deadly global pandemic" don't people understand?
 
2020-10-18 2:28:41 PM  
The_Sponge:

"Sacrifice, eh?  Are you willing to sacrifice your job?"

Hahahahahahahahaha. Too late, motherfarker!
 
2020-10-18 2:40:23 PM  
That article acts like there was some point where we were all banded together to stop the virus when the reality is we were like a pool with a peeing and no peeing side.
 
2020-10-18 2:47:30 PM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


That's right. Like the honey badger, pandemic don't care.
 
2020-10-18 2:59:56 PM  
Yeah, we went through the motions of trying. Now you're telling me that I still can't go shopping, and travel all over the world? This is unAmerican, and I demand my rights.

Or I'll just doing the same shiat I always did, because the world probably does revolve around me.
 
2020-10-18 3:22:03 PM  

G. Tarrant: The article is pretty spot-on. The people I know, including myself and my husband, who have tried to do the right things are more than tired and frustrated with the people that have ignored the pandemic and done whatever they wanted, and ended up prolonging this thing. And while a lot of people who have gone and continued to travel or whatever have contracted the virus, a lot more of them have not, and the ones that haven't take the fact that they haven't as proof that they are the "smart ones" who are able to continue to do whatever they want (and do so more cheaply, and in places not nearly as crowded, as they might otherwise be).

Meanwhile, those of us who canceled vacations, avoid groups, go out masked, shop only when necessary, etc. are frustrated by the fact that had those other people done the right things, we might be on the other side of this. But since we're pretty convinced that those people - backed by idiotic politicians, largely Republicans, downplaying the whole thing - aren't going to change their ways, at some point you start wondering if you should just give in and say to hell with it. And while we aren't yet, it'll happen more and more.


Same here. School here let out in March. We literally isolated ourselves for 3 mos. No going out to eat. No shopping. Nothing . We finally had to start doing grocery pickup at walmart. Then I'd spray it all down before unloading etc. And I know people who did none of the above. Still dont have it and me the wife and grandson have it now. I even sprayed down incoming mail etc.
 
2020-10-18 3:25:21 PM  

cefm: The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.


Not unless the federal had provided a temporary UBI, put a moratorium on evictions in place, maxed out testing, used the Defense Production Act to mandate mask production, created quarantine hotels, conducted a public health education campaign, made all local and county LE agencies responsible for enforcing mask mandates, raised the min. Wage for essential workers to validate their essential status, and all the other things that sane nations did.
 
2020-10-18 3:38:19 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.

That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin addiction.  I'm on to you.


Back when I had a full head of hippie hair -- John Cippolina length -- I grew morbidly tired of it and wanted it down to around 3" long. So, I went to a barber and told him and showed him how long I wanted it. He gave me a boot camp cut. And smirked about it. So, it was 10 years before I went to another barber. Whatever length I wanted was between me and the mirror.

No heroin. Not even any Demerol.
 
2020-10-18 3:48:28 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.


Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.
 
2020-10-18 3:53:56 PM  

Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.


Double posting to answer my own question, but it seems yes from some quick googling.  On a sufficiently warm day your car could theoretically sterilize the mask if left in there at temperature for about a half hour.
 
2020-10-18 3:56:02 PM  

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


The Great Barrington Declaration relies on a few key assumptions, none of which I believe are true:

* Herd immunity can be reached with as few as 1 in 5 people being personally immune to COVID. The most accurate estimates of the virus's base reproduction rate are much closer to that of polio than influenza. That means we need more than 4 in 5 people with personal immunity to COVID to gain the benefits of herd immunity.

* COVID spreads in a steady manner, i.e. any single case will result in the same number of people getting infected as any other. The spread of COVID appears to be overdispersed, meaning that most infections end with nobody else acquiring the virus and a small number of infections result in superspreading events. If we fail to stop those superspreading events, we make no progress in stopping its spread; mass gatherings in indoor places without masks and with loud patrons in close contact with each other are tailor-made situations to become these kinds of events, and those are the kinds of events the signers of the declaration want to happen.

* Isolating vulnerable populations is cost-effective. The only successful examples of bubbles I'm aware of came at great cost like that spent by the NBA or MLS for their returns to competition. The many assisted care facilities around the globe can't afford to create such bubbles.

* The only outcomes from a COVID infection are recovery and death. Many people who did not die from their COVID infection (current estimates say 1 in 10 survivors) still show symptoms of their illness more than six months later, long enough for them to qualify for diagnosis with ME/CFS if their symptoms include fatigue, brain fog, and chronic pain.

* Immunity gained through infection is permanent. Thanks to gene sequencing, we know there are several documented examples of people catching COVID twice.

* If immunity isn't permanent, it's likely to provide benefits that would make a second infection less severe. At least one person has probably died of COVID during a second infection. At least one other person was hospitalized during a second infection. It's safe to say these two cases are just the tip of the iceberg.
 
2020-10-18 3:58:19 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective va ...



You point out a lot of inconsistencies and ask a lot of really important questions.

Unfortunately, the only thing I can suggest is that despite the fact that Covid-19 is real, stop actually thinking about all of this in the context of public health, and instead, listen to the globalist elites and oligarchs when they tell us that this is the opportunity to enact a "great economic reset" and accordingly that all of this anxiety, fear, contradiction, and confusion which constitutes the "new normal" is by design and isn't going away, because the goal of zero covid cases not only isn't remotely realistic, it isn't the point. The point is to condition us and force us to be docile - scared people are easily manipulated - as they usher in a new technocratic authoritarian era of social tracking, surveillance, and vaccination profits for the politically connected.

Get ready for 2021 to be a mirror image of 2020, with forced vaccinations and further deliberate economic collapse on top of likely further social unrest and violence caused by the likes of BLM and Antifa.
 
2020-10-18 3:59:52 PM  

AwfulObject: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...

Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.


Oh blah farking blah blah blah.

She has been part of the DC problem since at least the 90s.  To think she would have had any significant impact on the spread of Covid is naive.
 
2020-10-18 4:15:00 PM  

not enough beer: fanbladesaresharp: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.

Oh lawd, you ain't kidding. If a $20 DVD player wasn't riot inciting enough.

What's a dvd?


C'mon man, do we have to explain Walmart Black Friday history to you?
 
2020-10-18 4:16:15 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: AwfulObject: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...

Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.

Oh blah farking blah blah blah.

She has been part of the DC problem since at least the 90s.  To think she would have had any significant impact on the spread of Covid is naive.


What? C19 none response is completely a small Government on brand move. So
STFUYSMF
 
2020-10-18 4:16:34 PM  

Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.

Sorry to rant.

Anyways, our COVID ward is full, cases in my state and county are increasing, and the public general is getting more lackadaisical with basic precautions by the day.  This is probably going to be at least another two years of bullshiat if we ever get back to normal at all, and frankly it's irksome.


Everyone at my hospital is tired, too. Montana did so well for the first several months, but since Labor Day many are over it. Since then, Montana is one of the top states in the nation in rising cases per capita. One day, we were number three, and we've had several days in a row of record new cases. If Governor Bullock wasn't in a tight race with Steve Daines for a Senate seat, I think he'd be closing the state down again. Hospitals across the state are reaching capacity, and it was big news yesterday that the large trauma hospital in Billings is activating their surge plan and bringing in nurses from elsewhere because they have so many on quarantine. A couple of weeks ago in Helena, there was an outdoor Let Freedom Ring Concert that received approval from public health because the organizers showed their plans for social-distancing and masking. Go figure, people who attend a freedom concert care not one bit about masking and social-distancing, and the organizers' response has been to shrug it off and say they did the best they could and attendees knew what they were getting into and made their choice. Public Health is working with the County Attorney to fine them. Now, cases are showing up that are being traced to the concert. The nurses here receive a lot of support for the community. A few years ago when the union was renegotiating thenew contract, they took their position public and even in this red state got tremendous support. Now the nurses are weary because they spend their days taking care of the sick only to go out in the community and see people not masking and going about life as normal because freedom. The union is once again taking their case to the community, pleading with them to help take care of the ones taking care of them. They are still receiving pushback. Yet, these same people will be the ones going to their doctor and the hospital (and complaining about not being able to have visitors) if they get sick. It is infuriating
 
2020-10-18 4:17:42 PM  
Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.
 
2020-10-18 4:30:18 PM  

Winterlight: Chiming on the pandemic fatigue. We both have to work at our respective offices, though for small companies that require masks in office, have daily cleaning, etc. etc. etc. We don't eat out, we limit our grocery shopping to no more than twice a month, and (politely) turn down all social engagement invitations.

Which was okay for the first few months, but then the stir-craziness started to set in. So we decided to take advantage of the isolation. We converted our entire downstairs area into an extensive art studio and audio production space (she's an artist, I'm a musician), we've both started experimenting with learning foreign (to us) cuisines, she's gotten heavily into gardening, we take long walks together nearly every evening, and after googling "nature areas near me", we've started exploring outdoor areas within an hours drive.

It's helped. A lot. As in, we haven't killed each other, and we've so far avoided getting sick even with having to work away from home. But we're not sure what will happen when the cold weather hits and we're limited to what we can do at home.


If your ages or physical conditions aren't barriers, I encourage you to get out in the cold anyway. Winter is a great tome to get outside. I'm in Montana and getting outside for even a walk at night helps with SADD. You can pick-up reasonably priced, good cold weather layering gear at REI and Costco. If you're in snow country, some of the wilderness areas you visited may be good places for snowshoeing, or they may groom the trails for cross-country skiing. Golf courses also sometimes groom for cross-country.  I'm taking up cross-country this year and looking into weekend or seasonal equipment rentals.

Great username, btw.
 
2020-10-18 4:37:45 PM  

kp1230: Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.

Sorry to rant.

Anyways, our COVID ward is full, cases in my state and county are increasing, and the public general is getting more lackadaisical with basic precautions by the day.  This is probably going to be at least another two years of bullshiat if we ever get back to normal at all, and frankly it's irksome.

Everyone at my hospital is tired, too. Montana did so well for the first several months, but since Labor Day many are over it. Since then, Montana is one of the top states in the nation in rising cases per capita. One day, we were number three, and we've had several days in a row of record new cases. If Governor Bullock wasn't in a tight race with Steve Daines for a Senate seat, I think he'd be closing the state down again. Hospitals across the state are reaching capacity, and it was big news yesterday that the large trauma hospital in Billings is activating their surge plan and bringing in nurses from elsewhere because they have so many on quarantine. A couple of weeks ago in Helena, there was an outdoor Let Freedom Ring Concert that received approval from public health because the organizers showed their plans for social-distancing and masking. Go figure, people who attend a freedom concert care not one bit about masking and social-distancing, and the organizers' response has been to shrug it off and say they did the best they could and attendees knew what they were getting into and made their choice. Public Health is working with the County Attorney to fine them. Now, cases are showing up that are being traced to the concert. The nurses here receive a lot of support for the community. A few years ago when the union was renegotiating thenew contract, they took their position public and even in this red state got tremendous support. Now the nurses are weary because they spend their days taking care of the sick only to go out in the community and see people not masking and going about life as normal because freedom. The union is once again taking their case to the community, pleading with them to help take care of the ones taking care of them. They are still receiving pushback. Yet, these same people will be the ones going to their doctor and the hospital (and complaining about not being able to have visitors) if they get sick. It is infuriating


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