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(The New York Times)   The biggest danger we face as we head into our first COVID holiday season is pandemic fatigue. "People are done putting hearts on their windows and teddy bears out for scavenger hunts"   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-10-18 8:26:06 AM  
I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.

I really think it is despair, you do all you can do then you see some asshole maskless for months alive while your marathon running friend dies. My wife is back to her old steadfast self but having seen it almost break her I get it.
 
2020-10-18 8:37:38 AM  
I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.
 
2020-10-18 8:42:09 AM  
Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.
 
2020-10-18 9:09:38 AM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away
 
2020-10-18 9:25:55 AM  
 
2020-10-18 9:28:01 AM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


The wife and I are fortunate: we have good incomes and can work from laptops. We read a lot before this pandemic. We like to cook. We play a lot of Scrabble. We have a big garden and chickens and a sweetheart dog. So no fatigue here.

But as my wife reminds me: back up two decades and we would not be able to work from home. 500 square foot apartment. No yard. No dog. Yeah, I can see some being fatigued more than others. And I hope for them this is not the new normal. But I suspect it is.
 
2020-10-18 9:35:05 AM  
I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.
 
2020-10-18 9:35:40 AM  

August11: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

The wife and I are fortunate: we have good incomes and can work from laptops. We read a lot before this pandemic. We like to cook. We play a lot of Scrabble. We have a big garden and chickens and a sweetheart dog. So no fatigue here.

But as my wife reminds me: back up two decades and we would not be able to work from home. 500 square foot apartment. No yard. No dog. Yeah, I can see some being fatigued more than others. And I hope for them this is not the new normal. But I suspect it is.


It's probably not the new normal, no.  People and politicians haven't learned a darn thing, true.  But research on COVID-19 is progressing rapidly, treatment is getting far more effective, and promising vaccines are emerging.  Worst case eventually this WILL be just like the flu... with a lot of work done to make that happen.

But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.
 
2020-10-18 9:36:26 AM  
Yeah no kidding. We put a ton of effort into isolating and masking and distancing so the government could have time to develop an action plan. But instead Trump and Co. called it a hoax and lashed out against the aforementioned efforts. Why go through all this trouble if it's for nothing?
 
2020-10-18 9:40:00 AM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away


LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.
 
2020-10-18 9:42:56 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?
 
2020-10-18 9:43:01 AM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.
 
2020-10-18 9:44:29 AM  

thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.


I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.
 
2020-10-18 9:44:30 AM  

H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.


That was the weirdest filter own I've seen in a while.
 
2020-10-18 9:46:24 AM  

Daniel Boone's Farm: I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.


If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.
 
2020-10-18 9:46:37 AM  

Tomahawk513: Yeah no kidding. We put a ton of effort into isolating and masking and distancing so the government could have time to develop an action plan. But instead Trump and Co. called it a hoax and lashed out against the aforementioned efforts. Why go through all this trouble if it's for nothing?


I think this is one of the many factors driving the huge turnout right now. Seeing our leaders ignore and ridicule the sacrifices that everyday Americans were making was and is infuriating. Especially when those same people then catch COVID and have access to the quality of treatment they've been denying to everyone else. (Proudly denying too)

So yeah, it's dispiriting to see that. But perhaps it's motivating people to not stay on the sidelines during an election.
 
2020-10-18 9:47:03 AM  
Pretty much.  At the start of this we were told to quarantine for a few weeks to flatten the curve.

SomeAmerican: But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.


Shockingly all of the shady shiat that was done by various governments in the not so distant past is coming back to haunt them.  Hell will probably freeze over before many in the Black community take it after Tuskegee.  I'm in the "uhh, let the people who are at high risk go first as they need it more than, um, I do." category at the moment.
 
2020-10-18 9:48:55 AM  
This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.
 
2020-10-18 9:50:36 AM  
Gotta admit I'm getting pretty tired of the whole thing.

That does not, under any circumstances, mean I will not remain vigilant in doing my best to protect myself and others.


/But damn if I don't miss 50 cent wing Mondays and beers with friends.
 
2020-10-18 9:53:29 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Pretty much.  At the start of this we were told to quarantine for a few weeks to flatten the curve.

SomeAmerican: But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.

Shockingly all of the shady shiat that was done by various governments in the not so distant past is coming back to haunt them.  Hell will probably freeze over before many in the Black community take it after Tuskegee.  I'm in the "uhh, let the people who are at high risk go first as they need it more than, um, I do." category at the moment.


The problem that's gonna really be a nightmare is that there are people, especially hospital staff, that are going to be forced to make the decision between trusting that the vaccine will work and having to quit because they're mandated to take it but don't trust it. Other people will be in this boat as well, but just getting *a* vaccine will not mean it's over, not by a long shot, even if it's good - not with this many ignorant people and conspiracy nuts out there now. It's extraordinarily disheartening.
 
2020-10-18 9:53:46 AM  
If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/​12​/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-le​aders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movement​/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.
 
2020-10-18 9:54:09 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.
 
2020-10-18 9:55:31 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


Turtles.  I'm afraid of turtles.

** rolls eyes **
 
2020-10-18 9:55:32 AM  
The virus is like a persistent stalker ex: you might be over it, but it's not over you.

You gotta stay frosty at all times with the virus: mask, social distance, handwashing and hand sanitizing. Get sloppy and it'll bite.

I do appreciate that different things mentally torque people in different ways. I suppose psychiatrists will be doing a booming business in this pandemic, as well as ER doctors.
 
2020-10-18 9:56:13 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


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HOW!  Dammit.
 
2020-10-18 9:56:50 AM  
Remember the early days when people thought it was just going to be like a winter storm and melt in due time while stockpiling toilet paper? Easter miracle?  Rona is now permanently with us endemically. No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.
/the groundhog emerges and gazes upon the steel gray sky
 
2020-10-18 9:57:03 AM  
Normal people can only maintain a state of heightened awareness for a very short period of time.
 
2020-10-18 9:59:07 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


I've hacked some of the length off of mine, but when it comes to giving it any sort of shape, I'm hopeless.
 
2020-10-18 10:02:11 AM  

berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.


Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.
 
2020-10-18 10:02:29 AM  

not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.


The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out
 
2020-10-18 10:02:50 AM  
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2020-10-18 10:03:45 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


The media feeds the bad news. Not just the pandemic, but every news "story" is negative. Turn it off.
 
2020-10-18 10:03:47 AM  
Oh you're tired of it? How special and unique. I'm definitely not tired of it. But I guess what better time to give up than 3  months before the first vaccine is approved?
 
2020-10-18 10:04:06 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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2020-10-18 10:04:15 AM  
Sometimes I feel like a chump doing all this social distancing and mask wearing while some people don't seem to give a shiat.  But then sometimes I feel broke because everyone has a nicer car than me and goes on vacation all the time, but I save 30% of my salary.  I'm better off this way.  Nobody said delaying gratification was fun.
 
2020-10-18 10:05:11 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.

The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out


Publix is selling a 24 pack for $9.99. I have two.
 
2020-10-18 10:06:29 AM  

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


This is why our company has only let a few people back into their USA offices and has been enforcing large separations between workers and masks at all times.  They've seen how it worked to save lives in Europe and business has continued almost at pre-pandemic levels.  I don't think work-from-home will exist long after it's safe to be in crowds again, but as long as consumers have money, the world economy keeps on going.
 
2020-10-18 10:07:07 AM  
And when they get tired of it, the holidays will be right around the corner. Nothing like "taking a little break from the stress" for a big family dinner.

The virus does not care at all what day it is, how long you've been stressed, or if you totally swear you've been really good in wearing a mask. It does not care. It's goal is to find new hosts and reproduce.

I'm an accountant and I understand this crap. It's not hard. Thanksgiving is possible with precautions. Maybe do small groups of people in various rooms during meals and everyone wear a mask for community time afterwards. Or maybe spread it out to a couple of days, and serve chicken instead of turkey to ease cooking. Or everyone eats at home with a big group video chat.

These are not insurmountable obstacles. They just require being slightly inconvenienced to save lives of people you care about.
 
2020-10-18 10:09:02 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.
 
2020-10-18 10:12:56 AM  
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2020-10-18 10:18:26 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.

The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out


Would it surprise me. Except a big part of the plan was to set up contact tracing as well. We failed royally at that.
 
2020-10-18 10:19:22 AM  
Hey everyone. Good god is this fatigue a real thing and it's good to read these comments. Like some of you, my wife and I are really fortunate to both be able to work from home, we're not dead broke, we have a good yard with a garden and hobbies, and we were naturally shut-ins anyway. But yeah, the stress of every interaction in a grocery store, people not wearing their mask the way you want them to, wiping down the tops of beers that come in 6 packs, keeping a mental inventory of what your hands have touched, watching other people give up and act carelessly, watching the constant stream of conflicting disinformation on the news and beginning to question my basic understanding of science, watching the damn news in general, not traveling, watching other people travel, and on and on and on. I realize that in the grand scheme of things these are small, minuscule sacrifices. I know that we have it better, even in the midst of a pandemic, than at anytime in history. Knowing we have all of this privilege and it still sucking so bad is just one more of the things that sucks. I'm tired of it.
But I'm still going to wear my mask, over my goddamned nose, and avoid crowds as much as possible and wash my hands when I get home.
 
2020-10-18 10:21:09 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


drowning in blood
 
2020-10-18 10:23:50 AM  
Jeebus Saves: If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.

You need to be specific. The three (3) precautions described by the Boobies were recommended under the advisory quarantine I observed from February thru June when my school was reopened.

The Boobies is likely a personal and factual anecdote about a spouse being as careful as possible while your post dismisses an innocent framing of the three precautions as having a basis in science...

The Boobies is useful information about what others do and have done and is relevant to a discussion about how that produces a fatigue over time when other people ignore behaviors that mitigate advancing COVID-19.

Your dismissal provides no basis for what "science" has or has not recommended. It's a naked assertion. And smartied several times, your dismissal persuades to any who read this thread that such useful information is misguided or incorrect, but without your stating how or why.

Please Be Specific: How are the three procedures described not mitigating behaviors to avoid contracting COVID-19?
 
2020-10-18 10:23:52 AM  
Indoor dining is back in my state. I ate fries in a Runza. Everyone was wearing masks.
 
2020-10-18 10:23:58 AM  
RussianPotato:

Public policy is a walking a tightrope on this issue. No one wants to see everything shut down nor do they want to risk further spread. It's an intricate matter. Hey wait a sec...why am I responding to Vladimir?
 
2020-10-18 10:24:34 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


I say go for it. If you screw up then it's other peoples' problem. Just avoid mirrors and wear hats.
 
2020-10-18 10:25:21 AM  

thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.


looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-he​a​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D
 
2020-10-18 10:27:11 AM  
I really want to start working out at the gym  again, but Maryland is heading in the wrong direction (not just an increase in cases due to testing but a higher %positive and increasing hospitalizations.  I need a job.  I'm tired of the insanity that has been normalized in this country (eg, the federal government literally confiscated PPE to sell it back to the states or foreign entities.  Exactly how f*cked up that is should never fade).  I started drinking again after two years quit and while I'd prefer cannabis, I have to get a job first because heaven forbid I smoke some grass before doing yoga.

I'm just sick of the idiocy, the insanity, all of it.
 
2020-10-18 10:27:19 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


I've lucked out over haircuts since I learned to cut my own hair over two years ago. I bought Wahl clippers and a big handheld mirror. I made mistakes, but now I'm good enough to do a decent job.

The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

Remember, YouTube is your friend. You can find tons of videos on how to cut your own hair.
 
2020-10-18 10:29:17 AM  
Chiming on the pandemic fatigue. We both have to work at our respective offices, though for small companies that require masks in office, have daily cleaning, etc. etc. etc. We don't eat out, we limit our grocery shopping to no more than twice a month, and (politely) turn down all social engagement invitations.

Which was okay for the first few months, but then the stir-craziness started to set in. So we decided to take advantage of the isolation. We converted our entire downstairs area into an extensive art studio and audio production space (she's an artist, I'm a musician), we've both started experimenting with learning foreign (to us) cuisines, she's gotten heavily into gardening, we take long walks together nearly every evening, and after googling "nature areas near me", we've started exploring outdoor areas within an hours drive.

It's helped. A lot. As in, we haven't killed each other, and we've so far avoided getting sick even with having to work away from home. But we're not sure what will happen when the cold weather hits and we're limited to what we can do at home.
 
2020-10-18 10:29:30 AM  

skinink: The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.


I've used a Wahl for years but I've never taken a blade to my head.  Kudos to having the patience and steady hand.
 
2020-10-18 10:30:12 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


I'm tempted to go for the self-inflicted salad bowl cut. Not like I eat salads anyway, and after I cut my hair a few shots of vodka will help my looks.
 
2020-10-18 10:31:40 AM  
Every day I see assholes who don't wear their mask over their noses.

People in my neighborhood keep having big get togethers.

I don't wanna hear anything about how we're all in this together because we clearly aren't. I hope that IFa vaccine is made things might lighten up enough that I can go have an in person meet up with friends who are scattered all over the place, but I don't know if it's possible now.
 
2020-10-18 10:33:14 AM  
The article is pretty spot-on. The people I know, including myself and my husband, who have tried to do the right things are more than tired and frustrated with the people that have ignored the pandemic and done whatever they wanted, and ended up prolonging this thing. And while a lot of people who have gone and continued to travel or whatever have contracted the virus, a lot more of them have not, and the ones that haven't take the fact that they haven't as proof that they are the "smart ones" who are able to continue to do whatever they want (and do so more cheaply, and in places not nearly as crowded, as they might otherwise be).

Meanwhile, those of us who canceled vacations, avoid groups, go out masked, shop only when necessary, etc. are frustrated by the fact that had those other people done the right things, we might be on the other side of this. But since we're pretty convinced that those people - backed by idiotic politicians, largely Republicans, downplaying the whole thing - aren't going to change their ways, at some point you start wondering if you should just give in and say to hell with it. And while we aren't yet, it'll happen more and more.
 
2020-10-18 10:33:17 AM  
The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.
 
2020-10-18 10:34:17 AM  

H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.


The death rate is well below 1% right now.
 
2020-10-18 10:35:39 AM  

RussianPotato: Normal people can only maintain a state of heightened awareness for a very short period of time.


This is true. However, molding new habits takes time, and requires dedication, things Americans have no patience for. America treated Covid like a crash diet, not a lifestyle change. The urgency to change is there, but as soon as you see small results you go back to your old habits. That is not sustainable for long term with a virus that doesn't see borders, doesn't care about political affiliation or regional preferences. And the haphazard response is why we're still riding the first wave while the second wave is coming in.

If we had leadership that would reassure the masses and give support for these unusual circumstances, we may be in a better place. We have no attention span for hardship. I can't imagine Americans of today living with extended restrictions and hardship like during World War II. We'd never make it through.
 
2020-10-18 10:39:47 AM  

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


They are a very small minority of experts in the relevant fields (and many people signed on who don't have expertise in relevant fields), but of course since they're saying what you want to hear, they represent the "real science". Most experts think they're wrong. The cost of following their herd immunity bullshiat is many more very sick and dead people.

Scientific research benefits from having some contrarians, but basing policy on their recommendations is stupid and dangerous.
 
2020-10-18 10:41:47 AM  

buravirgil: Jeebus Saves: If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.

You need to be specific. The three (3) precautions described by the Boobies were recommended under the advisory quarantine I observed from February thru June when my school was reopened.

The Boobies is likely a personal and factual anecdote about a spouse being as careful as possible while your post dismisses an innocent framing of the three precautions as having a basis in science...

The Boobies is useful information about what others do and have done and is relevant to a discussion about how that produces a fatigue over time when other people ignore behaviors that mitigate advancing COVID-19.

Your dismissal provides no basis for what "science" has or has not recommended. It's a naked assertion. And smartied several times, your dismissal persuades to any who read this thread that such useful information is misguided or incorrect, but without your stating how or why.

Please Be Specific: How are the three procedures described not mitigating behaviors to avoid contracting COVID-19?


You are correct.  In the before times, I used to have my groceries delivered.  We had a bad flu come through here. I did everything your wife did.  The delivery guy saw what I was doing and talked to his boss.  The next day they had tables set up with supplies and instructions on how to do it as well as posters reminding you why to do it.
The next day we had our first flu death.
After that every store had a sanitizing station.
 
2020-10-18 10:44:11 AM  
Nothing more harrowing that knowing that when faced with a threat that has real-time consequences to personal responsibility issues that our leadership has doffed their hat and said "you're on your own".

The "bright" side to all of this is now two of my arguments against conservatism have a concrete real-world example to illustrate. 1) Conservatives cannot lead. 2) Not having socialized health care is a national security issue as well as a public health one.
 
2020-10-18 10:46:55 AM  
I am getting so tired of these pandemic fatigue articles.
 
2020-10-18 10:47:47 AM  

geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D


Yeah, about that story...

The problem with the herd immunity approach is (1) it's next to impossible without a vaccine, (b) it requires a hell of a lot of dead people, (*) it can take centuries to remove susceptible genetic material from the gene pool (see: black plague) and (-) this virus doesn't seem to generate long-lasting antibodies after infection.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:21 AM  

Alebak: Every day I see assholes who don't wear their mask over their noses.

People in my neighborhood keep having big get togethers.

I don't wanna hear anything about how we're all in this together because we clearly aren't. I hope that IFa vaccine is made things might lighten up enough that I can go have an in person meet up with friends who are scattered all over the place, but I don't know if it's possible now.


Nope.
Enterprise can suck a bag of Rusty nails. If we ever get a vaccine I'm going to take the vaccine and go about my life but I'm not spending one single superfluous dollar ever again I'm going to set it all on fire after I buy my necessities.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:25 AM  

Outshined_One: geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D

Yeah, about that story...

The problem with the herd immunity approach is (1) it's next to impossible without a vaccine, (b) it requires a hell of a lot of dead people, (*) it can take centuries to remove susceptible genetic material from the gene pool (see: black plague) and (-) this virus doesn't seem to generate long-lasting antibodies after infection.


...and that's what I get for knee jerk responding and not clicking the link.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:29 AM  

Daniel Boone's Farm: I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.

I really think it is despair, you do all you can do then you see some asshole maskless for months alive while your marathon running friend dies. My wife is back to her old steadfast self but having seen it almost break her I get it.


I can sympathize.

I have spent months inside. My property is overgrown, and my barn's starting to suffer. My costs have skyrocketed because I've had my groceries delivered for months now. I go out exactly once a month, to pick up our refilled prescriptions & obtain anything that we can't have delivered. (My next trip is Tuesday, where I will go to Costco and purchase a shiatload of various meats, so I can butcher, package, and refill our chest freezer for the next 6-8 months.) I've trained my wife in sterile procedure - she's never had to deal with it before this mess.

I've spent months emailing & calling my in-laws and friends, hoping to not just help keep them healthy, but sane, too. I have spent months on Fark, trying to caution folks about what needs to be done if you're trying to keep your house reasonably free from COVID-19 risk.

In return, I've watched as one co-worker contracted it, then brought it home. He recovered relatively easily enough after quarantine; she ended up on a ventilator, but recovered after several weeks. Another co-worker may have contracted it; his contract ended, and we haven't heard anything because he didn't leave any personal contact points for us to ping. One neighbor, infirm, has lived in virtual isolation all this time - we wave at him from across the cul-de-sac when we wheel our bins to the curb. Another neighbor just threw a party last night.

I don't sleep much any more. Anxiety rides me like a loa. The thing is, I'm used to being anxious, so it's tolerable for me - it's a familiar mental illness, so I can cope. My wife isn't doing as well, so I have to keep working out ways to keep her pleasantly distracted (and with more than just the obvious one...) I worry about my stepson, who lives in a group home - we can't see him, except by curbside visit (he sits on the home's porch, we sit in the minivan, and in that way we can at least talk in person) and it's clear that the enforced isolation is getting to him as well. His caregiver's excellent, though, and we check in every two weeks (per their preferences.) My stepson's father (and a good friend) and his wife (whom I'd love to quietly strangle) may have to move from their retirement rental in Arizona because the owner went broke and sold the complex to a corporation, which just jacked up the rent beyond their ability to pay for it, so they're terrified and call & text us regularly.

All I read, hear, and see at this point makes it hard to remain positive, at least until January. It's going to be incumbent on us to keep each other sane & healthy throughout this mess, because no one else will.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:51 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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2020-10-18 10:48:53 AM  

astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.


I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:56 AM  

Gramma: Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


I just embraced the 70's hippie look.

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2020-10-18 10:50:08 AM  
I'm mostly just tired of the smug idiots who want to tell you the "real" numbers and how herd immunity should work. They've got the plain idiocy of Flat Earthers crossed with the unearned arrogance of white supremacists.
 
2020-10-18 10:50:52 AM  

AwfulObject: Nothing more harrowing that knowing that when faced with a threat that has real-time consequences to personal responsibility issues that our leadership has doffed their hat and said "you're on your own".

The "bright" side to all of this is now two of my arguments against conservatism have a concrete real-world example to illustrate. 1) Conservatives cannot lead. 2) Not having socialized health care is a national security issue as well as a public health one.


Cannot emphasize either point enough.
 
2020-10-18 10:54:06 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.

The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out


a lock down during the christmas shopping season will not be tolerated.  Its Jesus's birthday, of course we are all going to church.

not wishing for it, but just wait for those arguments to be made earnestly soon when we are there.
 
2020-10-18 10:54:55 AM  

zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.


Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.
 
2020-10-18 10:55:19 AM  
I was talking about this the other day in another thread. Basic human psychology can only be overridden/limited for a short time at best and social distancing WILL diminish and eventually fail as more and more people either get Covid and recover, or know someone who gets it and recovers and we all slowly realize that the sky isn't falling.

The best things you can do in the meantime: turn off the news completely, get some exercise, and spend time with people that you care about, because we definitely shouldn't be waiting for the government to give us permission to celebrate the holidays or live as we see fit.
 
2020-10-18 10:56:48 AM  

born_yesterday: skinink: The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

I've used a Wahl for years but I've never taken a blade to my head.  Kudos to having the patience and steady hand.


Thanks. I still occasionally knick my head and get a scar lasting for a few days. But it's easy to learn. Just go slow, and stretch your skin when possible to keep it flat for the razor.

Over five years ago, when there was a movement to ditch buying over priced and environmentally unfriendly mass-produced Gillette blades and shavers, I learned to shave with double-edged razors, and straight razors.

Straight razors are awesome, because they easily take off a full beard in no time at all. Plus a straight razor lasts forever, and though it's not cheap to purchase the one, in the end you save money. You'll have to spend $20 about every four months or so to hone the razor.
 
2020-10-18 10:57:22 AM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.
 
2020-10-18 10:59:20 AM  

Tchernobog: Gotta admit I'm getting pretty tired of the whole thing.

That does not, under any circumstances, mean I will not remain vigilant in doing my best to protect myself and others.


/But damn if I don't miss 50 cent wing Mondays and beers with friends.


I'm tired of the f*ckups in the Trump administration.

If we had a decent federal leadership,  the spring shutdown would have had more of an effect.

The fact that we are 8 months in and no better is astounding.
 
2020-10-18 11:00:40 AM  
Avoiding relatives has been the best thing about this whole mess.
 
2020-10-18 11:01:11 AM  
My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.
 
2020-10-18 11:01:33 AM  

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


The fark charts are you looking at? The only European countries ahead of America in deaths/per are Belgium and Spain. And the only ones close are the UK which has its own Trump leading things, and Italy who until this week hadn't had a day over 50 deaths since farking June. Oh, and Sweden who was the darling of the right-wing because they decided to say "fark it". And our economic recovery has completely stalled because no one except for the 30% Trump steadfasters want to risk their health to go to Applebees

I know you're a farking dildo troll who isn't above just making stuff up. But....well, I'm not really sure how to finish that sentence
 
2020-10-18 11:02:19 AM  

born_yesterday: skinink: The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

I've used a Wahl for years but I've never taken a blade to my head.  Kudos to having the patience and steady hand.


I've been using clippers for years, since 1/3 of my hair went away, and the rest stopped growing very much. The hardest part was getting the hairline around the ears right, I've mangled the top of my earlobes more than a few times...
 
2020-10-18 11:03:55 AM  
I'm getting fatigued.

I'm a retail merchandiser, which means I'm an "essential worker" and have been out there every day in retail stores doing my job since this began. Some of the towns I visit have no regard for the virus and are full of idiot rednecks without masks who look at me like I'm some sort of emasculated nut for wearing one and actually washing my hands or using hand sanitizer. Some are better about it, and I feel safer there.

But after months and weeks and days upon days of going to these stores and actively dodging the maskless (who mistake me for a store employee which I am definitely NOT, but since when are these people smart enough to notice I'm not wearing store colors or logos?) and having to touch everything in the course of my duties to make sure big corporations' products have the proper representation, advertising, promotions, etc.... I'm mentally exhausted.

One of my big (and I'll admit, most disliked) clients is a candy company. I won't name names but they're one of the bigger ones in the world. During the Halloween season they bring us on to do work for them that requires a lot of physical labor and a lot of time in stores. They seem to be under the impression that this year is like any other in terms of Halloween candy sales. My town has canceled Trick-or-Treating. Many have, or are strongly discouraging it, but Big Candy Conglomerate doesn't give a f--k. They still have us out there risking our lives to do relatively pointless things that won't make a damned difference in their candy sales. Sure, I like the paychecks, but I truly am risking my health or my life to earn them.

After every store (and I do several a day) I sanitize myself (hands and face), my mobile phone, my glasses, my car key fob and code badge (authorizes me to be in the stores doing work), and anything else I touched. Yes, it's probably overkill. Yes, I do it every time anyway because I'm in stores with hundreds of maskless redneck farktoids who are not only resisting efforts to stop this virus, but seem to be proudly flaunting it. They try to get too close to me all the time. They break my personal space and start talking at me, and I think they get off on the fear and fury in my eyes when they do it.

Yes. Fear and fury. I'm still frightened and angry to be out there dealing with these people for what seems like a lot of meaningless corporate wanking.

When I get home I usually have a shower, wash my hair, throw my clothes in the washing machine/hamper, and sanitize anything I happened to buy while I was out.

And this is an every day ritual now. Since April I've had at least two showers per day, washed my clothes more in a week than I used to in a month, and gone through gallons of hand sanitizer, probably a mile of sanitizing wipes, and a few bars of antibacterial soap.

And I'm so tired of it. So sick of it. So ANGRY that this shiat could be over by now if it weren't for the selfish farking assholes who are too Conservative to believe in viruses or masks. Between their (more and more open) support of white nationalism and their refusal to just do the right thing in the face of a deadly pandemic, I admit my hatred for these people has been boiling hot. They've earned this hatred. This isn't irrational hatred because they're different from me, or a certain color or religion, or a certain heritage; This is hatred for them because of what they choose to do to harm me and those I hold dear. It's hatred for the actions they take, and hatred for their seeming insistence on destroying this country through a combination of racism, disease, and incivility.

Make no mistake: We're STILL in this shiat because conservatives have decided for the rest of us that they want this nation to be sick, turbulent, and unkind. Human misery makes them feel good.
 
2020-10-18 11:05:39 AM  
Pandemic fatigue = "I will gladly sacrifice a few more months of this tomorrow for one night of pretending to be normal now."
 
2020-10-18 11:05:56 AM  
Here in (local this area) all of the ICU beds are taken, and the hospitals are trying to farm out patients to outlying cities (without luck). Our curve is going upwards. The last I looked we had over 200 new cases each day. And yet the yahoos are running around without masks or proper hygiene. Yes, (local this area) is the reddest of MAGAt territory.

Ganesh help me!

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2020-10-18 11:06:30 AM  

The_Sponge: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.


Then I guess we should have handled it correctly a few months ago
 
2020-10-18 11:07:11 AM  

Diagonal: Here in (local this area) all of the ICU beds are taken, and the hospitals are trying to farm out patients to outlying cities (without luck). Our curve is going upwards. The last I looked we had over 200 new cases each day. And yet the yahoos are running around without masks or proper hygiene. Yes, (local this area) is the reddest of MAGAt territory.

Ganesh help me!

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Where?
 
2020-10-18 11:07:20 AM  

skinink: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

I've lucked out over haircuts since I learned to cut my own hair over two years ago. I bought Wahl clippers and a big handheld mirror. I made mistakes, but now I'm good enough to do a decent job.

The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

Remember, YouTube is your friend. You can find tons of videos on how to cut your own hair.


This.

We get to reinvent ourselves.    I learned to sew from an old broken sewing machine, collecting dust.   I was sure this was a world changing event, and we would be wearing masks for a very long time and you could have fun with it.  I knew that sneezing in allergy season (year round) could end a person's life and better stock up on allergy meds.

I learned that fixing the sewing machine (since no new ones were available) made it work better.  I learned that some relatives had left clues and tools that helped -- ingenious little gadgets that old ladies used a hundred years ago.

I learned to make a Zoom chromakey backdrop from pvc pipe and cheap large felt sections.   It's not just for greenhouses and portable puppet theater stages.  I learned how to help the less fortunate troubleshoot or setup their computers, wifi, etc. just over the phone.

I learned my wife is more of a nerd that I ever could guess, and that an  inexpensive Amazon great courses subscription could keep us entertained for the 30 hr average it took to understand Gnosticism or Egyptian Hieroglyphs.

I learned that musicians, who by profession as performance artists are more endangered than most, can figure out how to do concerts worldwide.

For movies remember the last virus killer AIDS.  Somehow the porn industry soldiered on.  If the theatrical unions are anything, they are about the safety of their members.  I'm sure an excellent new art will come out of this.

For TV, stations have so automated it's amazing there is still on camera talent -- which is now a very lonely job.

So glad there is the tech we need to go through this, Professor YouTube especially.
 
2020-10-18 11:09:49 AM  

NKURyan: Pandemic fatigue = "I will gladly sacrifice a few more months of this tomorrow for one night of pretending to be normal now."


One thing that is particularly dumb is how many people think we could just choose to end this. That if everyone was just fine with a few hundred thousand deaths then we would immediately go back to normal. But that's a lie. People would still avoid risk. Vulnerable people would still have those who cared about them. The people who want to "choose for themselves" are really saying that everyone should agree to risk themselves so that some people can hit the bars. It's an adolescent fantasy.
 
2020-10-18 11:10:42 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.


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Going maskless nowadays is basically a sign that you are a bioterrorist.  fark 'em.
 
2020-10-18 11:11:57 AM  

geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D


You misspelled South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, New Zealand, Australia, the European Union, the entire continent of Africa.

On your way to learning to spell, feel free to FOADIAF.
 
2020-10-18 11:12:12 AM  
My wife is in the travel business and she had vouchers for free airfare, lodging and rental vehicles that were about to expire so we flew across country and visited and hiked thru Arizona and southern Utah for a week and ended up a couple of days in Las Vegas. I preferred not traveling but she was getting really antsy. I have to say for the most part, including air flights and airports, everyone was really conscientious and diligent about face masks, etc. with the exception of southern Utah. Las Vegas was even stranger than normal but every major property on the strip was monitoring visitor temperatures on entry and masks and/or face shields were required. I love traveling but this time it was 50% fun and 50% "am I going to get sick" so not the best travel in the scheme of things. We've been back two weeks and so far so good but I hope our next travels happen when things improve both virologically and politically. I'm fine staying home.
 
2020-10-18 11:13:27 AM  

NKURyan: Pandemic fatigue = "I will gladly sacrifice a few more months of this tomorrow for one night of pretending to be normal now."


This. Imagine this country trying to make it through World War II. Ration books, child workers, war widows, latchkey kids, salvage drives, etc.
 
2020-10-18 11:15:06 AM  

FlippityFlap: I've been using clippers for years, since 1/3 of my hair went away, and the rest stopped growing very much. The hardest part was getting the hairline around the ears right, I've mangled the top of my earlobes more than a few times...


CSB: I cut my hair for the first time ever this year using a Wahl clippers set to 2. I thought I did a decent job without even looking at it. I looked in the mirror a day later and noticed these ridiculous hair wings at the temples like Bozo the clown, It was like I was trying out for Dumb and Dumber part 4
 
2020-10-18 11:15:09 AM  

geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D


FTA

Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighbours but lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Yeah, barely behind the US, Italy and the UK in deaths per capita. Winning strategy!
 
2020-10-18 11:15:33 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.


Why? I doubt much will change at the local level. Biden (inshallah) will give us national strategies and logistics but folks with Republican governors are still gonna live in lands of free market viral opportunity where business owners are free to force their employees to work without safeguards and invite their customers to swap germs with one another as well. In fact they'll double down on it because in 2021 going mask free will be how to show the commies that you won't be cowed into submission.
 
2020-10-18 11:16:08 AM  

Winterlight: Chiming on the pandemic fatigue. We both have to work at our respective offices, though for small companies that require masks in office, have daily cleaning, etc. etc. etc. We don't eat out, we limit our grocery shopping to no more than twice a month, and (politely) turn down all social engagement invitations.

Which was okay for the first few months, but then the stir-craziness started to set in. So we decided to take advantage of the isolation. We converted our entire downstairs area into an extensive art studio and audio production space (she's an artist, I'm a musician), we've both started experimenting with learning foreign (to us) cuisines, she's gotten heavily into gardening, we take long walks together nearly every evening, and after googling "nature areas near me", we've started exploring outdoor areas within an hours drive.

It's helped. A lot. As in, we haven't killed each other, and we've so far avoided getting sick even with having to work away from home. But we're not sure what will happen when the cold weather hits and we're limited to what we can do at home.


you are not alone.  No fun places for us.  grocery stores and target/walmart; beer store; dentists (chipped a crown and kids needed sealants for new molars) and that's it.  take-out once a week.  Exercise is going to a big empty field for soccer drills and fun.

we are different then you on the grocery store, we go about every two days, but with kids and fresh food not lasting a month, it at least keeps the trips short.

Realizing this will be a much longer ordeal, my family also re-arranged the house.  Take for instance, the guest room.

Guests? No one is coming to visit for over a year..Why do we need a guest bed then? it is currently for sale on NextDoor. two kids are now together in the large guest room.  My sons room became my office; daughters room became a playroom; one reading room downstairs we converted to a school room with desks, bookshelves, school supplies storage.

I was curious if anyone else has repurposed space in their house in drastic fashion.
 
2020-10-18 11:16:38 AM  

TDWCom29: Diagonal: Here in (local this area) all of the ICU beds are taken, and the hospitals are trying to farm out patients to outlying cities (without luck). Our curve is going upwards. The last I looked we had over 200 new cases each day. And yet the yahoos are running around without masks or proper hygiene. Yes, (local this area) is the reddest of MAGAt territory.

Ganesh help me!

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Where?


Really not going to doxx myself. But it's the great American midwest... MAGAts everywhere! You'd see lots of Trump flags on pole and hanging from balconies. There was even a mini-parade earlier this week. Lots of big wheel pick-up trucks with trump flags.

It's ghastly.
 
2020-10-18 11:16:38 AM  

Gramma: some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?

Turtles.  I'm afraid of turtles.

** rolls eyes **


well, it's turtles all the way down, or so i have heard
 
2020-10-18 11:18:00 AM  

thealgorerhythm: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.

Why? I doubt much will change at the local level. Biden (inshallah) will give us national strategies and logistics but folks with Republican governors are still gonna live in lands of free market viral opportunity where business owners are free to force their employees to work without safeguards and invite their customers to swap germs with one another as well. In fact they'll double down on it because in 2021 going mask free will be how to show the commies that you won't be cowed into submission.


Yeah, this is true. I'd like to think Hillary would have handled things better, but the GOP would have fought her from the very beginning about shutdowns as opposed to the very half-assed attempt at a shutdown we had.
 
2020-10-18 11:18:54 AM  

TDWCom29: geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D

FTA

Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighbours but lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Yeah, barely behind the US, Italy and the UK in deaths per capita. Winning strategy!


And they have nationalized health care that takes care of the people who get sick. Of course they've had to ration it and force old folks to die at home.

They've also suffered a lot of economic damage because it turns out on the stupid path to herd immunity la la land people start getting scared to go out every time they see a neighbor die. So they lurch back and forth between lucrative viral breakouts and death, followed by viral waning and economic despair. Rinse. Repeat.
 
2020-10-18 11:20:04 AM  
I'm going to use it as an excuse to skip holiday season
 
2020-10-18 11:22:13 AM  

TDWCom29: thealgorerhythm: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.

Why? I doubt much will change at the local level. Biden (inshallah) will give us national strategies and logistics but folks with Republican governors are still gonna live in lands of free market viral opportunity where business owners are free to force their employees to work without safeguards and invite their customers to swap germs with one another as well. In fact they'll double down on it because in 2021 going mask free will be how to show the commies that you won't be cowed into submission.

Yeah, this is true. I'd like to think Hillary would have handled things better, but the GOP would have fought her from the very beginning about shutdowns as opposed to the very half-assed attempt at a shutdown we had.


Hillary would have handled things better and states where the Republican governors don't have their heads up their asses would probably be significantly better off having accepted all the available testing supports for the population and financial supports for individuals and businesses to ramp up safety capacity. Hell, Hillary would have created a national testing strategy by April, and even in red states it could have been used in coordination by colleges seeking to open up so that you didn't have the patchwork of breakouts that we saw in September.
 
2020-10-18 11:24:11 AM  

gretzkyscores: I was talking about this the other day in another thread. Basic human psychology can only be overridden/limited for a short time at best and social distancing WILL diminish and eventually fail as more and more people either get Covid and recover, or know someone who gets it and recovers and we all slowly realize that the sky isn't falling.

The best things you can do in the meantime: turn off the news completely, get some exercise, and spend time with people that you care about, because we definitely shouldn't be waiting for the government to give us permission to celebrate the holidays or live as we see fit.


And here is a great example of how selfish assholes will keep this going for a long time
 
2020-10-18 11:25:18 AM  
People are tired of being "locked up" for a NOVEL corona virus...(in fact an engineered Chinese corona virus).
It's a virus.  You can't really stop it or slow it down.  As with any virus throughout the human existence, the
human antibodies will have to ward it off.  We have never had an effective "flu" vaccine because the nature
of a virus is to mutate, to try to override the human antibodies defense.  Just get over it already.  Wash your
hands, stay home if you don't feel well, keep those most at risk away from people and just get on with life.
 
2020-10-18 11:25:56 AM  

The_Sponge: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.


No shiat
But selfish pricks need to fly on planes and go to motorcycle rallies and party so ya
It's the new normal
Thanks
 
2020-10-18 11:26:48 AM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.
 
2020-10-18 11:26:49 AM  

NKURyan: Pandemic fatigue = "I will gladly sacrifice a few more months of this tomorrow for one night of pretending to be normal now."


I haven't seen anyone put this more succinctly. Thank you.
 
2020-10-18 11:28:24 AM  

inner ted: gretzkyscores: I was talking about this the other day in another thread. Basic human psychology can only be overridden/limited for a short time at best and social distancing WILL diminish and eventually fail as more and more people either get Covid and recover, or know someone who gets it and recovers and we all slowly realize that the sky isn't falling.

The best things you can do in the meantime: turn off the news completely, get some exercise, and spend time with people that you care about, because we definitely shouldn't be waiting for the government to give us permission to celebrate the holidays or live as we see fit.

And here is a great example of how selfish assholes will keep this going for a long time


I didn't realize the government gave us permission to get sick or not. Why doesn't the Trump administration just give us permission to not get sick?
 
2020-10-18 11:28:44 AM  

RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.


why do you think we don't acknowledge it?  We do, the guy driving a truck is mostly isolated for his route.  the warehouses are doing what they can to keep them safe.  the grocery workers have to stock shelves.We know some people have to physically be places and near other people.

and in return, we are not going to football games, enduring remote teaching, not visiting family cutting out behaviors and activities to keep those who have to work safe.

What we are asking for is everyone who doesn't have to do one of those essential jobs to just stay the fark home and read a book.
 
2020-10-18 11:34:21 AM  
Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.

Sorry to rant.

Anyways, our COVID ward is full, cases in my state and county are increasing, and the public general is getting more lackadaisical with basic precautions by the day.  This is probably going to be at least another two years of bullshiat if we ever get back to normal at all, and frankly it's irksome.
 
2020-10-18 11:35:07 AM  

Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?  We do, the guy driving a truck is mostly isolated for his route.  the warehouses are doing what they can to keep them safe.  the grocery workers have to stock shelves.We know some people have to physically be places and near other people.

and in return, we are not going to football games, enduring remote teaching, not visiting family cutting out behaviors and activities to keep those who have to work safe.

What we are asking for is everyone who doesn't have to do one of those essential jobs to just stay the fark home and read a book.



Exactly.  I have nothing but respect for the essential workers that are out there in the thick of things.
People going to bars and parties are being irresponsible and putting everyone at more risk.
 
2020-10-18 11:35:39 AM  

inner ted: gretzkyscores: I was talking about this the other day in another thread. Basic human psychology can only be overridden/limited for a short time at best and social distancing WILL diminish and eventually fail as more and more people either get Covid and recover, or know someone who gets it and recovers and we all slowly realize that the sky isn't falling.

The best things you can do in the meantime: turn off the news completely, get some exercise, and spend time with people that you care about, because we definitely shouldn't be waiting for the government to give us permission to celebrate the holidays or live as we see fit.

And here is a great example of how selfish assholes will keep this going for a long time


We should not have let propagandists on hate-radio and Fox turn so many Americans into delusional, antisocial trash. They've been a disaster waiting to happen for decades, because they can't work with others for the common good.
 
2020-10-18 11:36:03 AM  

FormlessOne: it's a familiar mental illness, so I can cope.


The great thing about chronic anxiety is that it's always exciting.
 
2020-10-18 11:37:04 AM  

Gramma: Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?  We do, the guy driving a truck is mostly isolated for his route.  the warehouses are doing what they can to keep them safe.  the grocery workers have to stock shelves.We know some people have to physically be places and near other people.

and in return, we are not going to football games, enduring remote teaching, not visiting family cutting out behaviors and activities to keep those who have to work safe.

What we are asking for is everyone who doesn't have to do one of those essential jobs to just stay the fark home and read a book.


Exactly.  I have nothing but respect for the essential workers that are out there in the thick of things.
People going to bars and parties are being irresponsible and putting everyone at more risk.


They're like drunk drivers. They just don't give a fark about the lives of other people, and behaving responsibly doesn't even occur to them.
 
2020-10-18 11:37:24 AM  

Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.

Sorry to rant.

Anyways, our COVID ward is full, cases in my state and county are increasing, and the public general is getting more lackadaisical with basic precautions by the day.  This is probably going to be at least another two years of bullshiat if we ever get back to normal at all, and frankly it's irksome.


^^^^^^^^^^reposted it's that important
 
2020-10-18 11:39:15 AM  

cefm: The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.


Theoretically....  how much food in your house ?
 
2020-10-18 11:40:46 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

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HOW!  Dammit.


https://www.amazon.com/Surker-Clipper​s​-Cordless-Grooming-Rechargeable/dp/B07​ZZYWF3P/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=h​air+clippers+with+2+inch+guard&qid=160​3035532&sr=8-9

#2 shear.  Takes about five minutes.   Unless you're' the guy in the ad, in which case you turn in your man card.
 
2020-10-18 11:43:39 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


I've reached the scissors milestone. It took me a number of months after perfecting the buzzer. My top had grown way too long. Like Robert Smith on any hair day. My wife liked it, but all cats are grey anyway.

/Another cup of coffee please.
 
2020-10-18 11:44:01 AM  

geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D


FTFA: Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighboursbut lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Why then are we drawing comparisons between countries that are not Nordic?
 
2020-10-18 11:44:27 AM  

Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.


I really think you'll be alright. I believe that cell-mediated immunity is more important than antibody dependent immunity with this virus. The fact that young people are much more resistant speaks to this, The 1918 influenza virus was the opposite. However, if this is true, the vaccines that don't use live viruses probably won't work.
 
2020-10-18 11:45:25 AM  

FlippityFlap: born_yesterday: skinink: The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

I've used a Wahl for years but I've never taken a blade to my head.  Kudos to having the patience and steady hand.

I've been using clippers for years, since 1/3 of my hair went away, and the rest stopped growing very much. The hardest part was getting the hairline around the ears right, I've mangled the top of my earlobes more than a few times...


One hard-learned skill was realigning the blades on a Wahl when they become misaligned.  Man., those things will chew your scalp quick when you get it wrong.
 
2020-10-18 11:46:13 AM  
Strong red-state here and we are very fatigued. My wife and I are in healthcare, so we go to work every day and fight hard to keep things going, despite serious adversity. As far as our risk, I feel like we're actually in a good position with that since, at least at work, everybody there is compliant. But a lot of those same people turn around and spread social-media falsehoods, so it's disappointing and frustrating.

Only recently have I felt that I can speak out against the chuds without too much fear of reprisal from the workplace. Up until this week, the MAGAt crowd had convinced all state and local governance to almost entirely eschew covid precautions. Everybody was basically going about life like normal. It took having a statewide new case rate and death rate that is, per-capita, nine times higher than the national average to finally get the state to start walking things back again. Meanwhile, all the MAGAts do is deflect, shift goalposts, and whine: "It's because we're testing more." "Those are motorcycle accidents marked as covid." Just utter bullshiat.

And it's exhausting. Years from now, we'll look back on how social media was crucial to the success of the virus and how it flourished because of it.

As for my family. Wife and I are doing okay - we've been fortunate to have almost perfect summer and fall weather, so we've been able to build and tend a garden, fix a lot of household items that needed it, and generally be outside. Two months ago we adopted a rescue doggo and he's been absolutely great. We mostly miss traveling and dining out. I've been cooking a LOT more, and our leftover usage-to-waste rate has improved to darn near 1. Wife is an introvert - hates shopping, totally okay with being a homebody and listening to every book on tape. I'm an ambivert, so I've stuffed my extrovert tendencies away for the most part. I have to be filling my mind, though, so it's been lots of Netflix, HBO, Fark, and video games. The gigs with my band have completely dried up (though people are optimistically booking us for next summer). However, I'm very fortunate to have a church that takes this seriously and we've been doing the music for online services - completely social-distanced, wearing masks, etc., so I do have somewhat of an outlet and I'm thankful for that.

The kids, though... the kids are struggling. All are in school, and that's weird enough. But their extracurricular activities continue, because they're all competitive and very much a part of their social life. "Everybody else is doing it," and that's not an exaggeration. So, to our fault, we let them continue as we don't want them to be complete pariahs (fortunately, there are precautions taken in all of these). But we severely limit their activities outside of that, which causes plenty of strife in their bullshiat, always-online world. The lack of sleepovers, car cruises, and general hanging out are taking their toll, especially when all their (MAGA parent) friends continue to do them. Kids are at that age where the social circles are incredibly important and they're all extremely extroverted, so it's causing a huge amount of anxiety, stress, and rifts between us and them. I'm finally starting to see some parents get it, though, in the last week. I guess it takes the collective doing absolutely awful for some people to start seeing the light.
 
2020-10-18 11:47:18 AM  

Surrender your boo-tah: geggam: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hea​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D

FTFA: Sweden has registered 5,893 deaths among COVID-19 patients, a per capita fatality rate that is several times higher than its Nordic neighboursbut lower than countries like Spain, Italy and Britain that opted for lockdowns.

Why then are we drawing comparisons between countries that are not Nordic?


Because the author can't compare samples for shiat.

Spain and Italy are full of old people.

The UK is suffering from all the same delusions as Trumpers and is full of people having house parties and other unsafe behaviors because BoJo won't do the job.
 
2020-10-18 11:47:33 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.


Oh lawd, you ain't kidding. If a $20 DVD player wasn't riot inciting enough.
 
2020-10-18 11:48:04 AM  
They were right all along. This thing isn't going away until we get widespread vaccinations completed, and maybe not even then.
 
2020-10-18 11:48:19 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.


That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.
 
2020-10-18 11:48:32 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.

Oh lawd, you ain't kidding. If a $20 DVD player wasn't riot inciting enough.


What's a dvd?
 
2020-10-18 11:49:14 AM  

FormlessOne: Daniel Boone's Farm: I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.

I really think it is despair, you do all you can do then you see some asshole maskless for months alive while your marathon running friend dies. My wife is back to her old steadfast self but having seen it almost break her I get it.

I can sympathize.

I have spent months inside. My property is overgrown, and my barn's starting to suffer. My costs have skyrocketed because I've had my groceries delivered for months now. I go out exactly once a month, to pick up our refilled prescriptions & obtain anything that we can't have delivered. (My next trip is Tuesday, where I will go to Costco and purchase a shiatload of various meats, so I can butcher, package, and refill our chest freezer for the next 6-8 months.) I've trained my wife in sterile procedure - she's never had to deal with it before this mess.

I've spent months emailing & calling my in-laws and friends, hoping to not just help keep them healthy, but sane, too. I have spent months on Fark, trying to caution folks about what needs to be done if you're trying to keep your house reasonably free from COVID-19 risk.

In return, I've watched as one co-worker contracted it, then brought it home. He recovered relatively easily enough after quarantine; she ended up on a ventilator, but recovered after several weeks. Another co-worker may have contracted it; his contract ended, and we haven't heard anything because he didn't leave any personal contact points for us to ping. One neighbor, infirm, has lived in virtual isolation all this time - we wave at him from across the cul-de-sac when we wheel our bins to the c ...


Why can't you go outside and take care of your property and barn?
 
2020-10-18 11:50:03 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: RussianPotato: Normal people can only maintain a state of heightened awareness for a very short period of time.

This is true. However, molding new habits takes time, and requires dedication, things Americans have no patience for. America treated Covid like a crash diet, not a lifestyle change. The urgency to change is there, but as soon as you see small results you go back to your old habits. That is not sustainable for long term with a virus that doesn't see borders, doesn't care about political affiliation or regional preferences. And the haphazard response is why we're still riding the first wave while the second wave is coming in.

If we had leadership that would reassure the masses and give support for these unusual circumstances, we may be in a better place. We have no attention span for hardship. I can't imagine Americans of today living with extended restrictions and hardship like during World War II. We'd never make it through.


The difference is you could meet up with friends and people still during WW2 and you knew everyone was in it together.  Here, our society is so fractured our President can't even agree with his own appointed health experts, and so we have people who have not seen most fronds, not given any hugs or been 6 feet close to friends for 9 months, and then you have people thinking it's a hoax.  Still.
 
2020-10-18 11:50:27 AM  
Let me add, as someone who's got a case of the hyper-vigilance due to bullying in school, I can tell you, having it right now is one of the most exhausting things in my life. Every single thing that has me interacting in the public is an ordeal that takes up three times the normal amount of willpower and energy.
 
2020-10-18 11:51:45 AM  

p51d007: People are tired of being "locked up" for a NOVEL corona virus...(in fact an engineered Chinese corona virus).
It's a virus.  You can't really stop it or slow it down.  As with any virus throughout the human existence, the
human antibodies will have to ward it off.  We have never had an effective "flu" vaccine because the nature
of a virus is to mutate, to try to override the human antibodies defense.  Just get over it already.  Wash your
hands, stay home if you don't feel well, keep those most at risk away from people and just get on with life.


This is an example of the stupidity we have to put up with locally. The problem is our government was cowed into believing it, and were paying the price for it, hard.

So, you know, fark you.
 
2020-10-18 11:52:27 AM  

SomeAmerican: But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.


I guess we'll just have to hope that fairies and elves place satchels of vaccines in the nooks of trees. What with the rampant distrust of BigPharma and BigBrother administering anything.
 
2020-10-18 11:54:10 AM  

Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.


Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.
 
2020-10-18 11:56:49 AM  

thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.


Huh? The GOPers i know are rabid Karens about mask wearing so your crowd must be different. A couple are nurses and there's hell to pay if you're within cigarette odor distance without a mask. The extreme RWNJs sure, but zi see the far left doing the same, albeit they're too afraid to leave their homes and have Doordash or the like do everything for them. Yet they blame each other like its a pro sport to out- insult each other.
 
2020-10-18 11:57:15 AM  

Declassify Issue: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

I've reached the scissors milestone. It took me a number of months after perfecting the buzzer. My top had grown way too long. Like Robert Smith on any hair day. My wife liked it, but all cats are grey anyway.

/Another cup of coffee please.


I've also done four covid self-cuts and have gotten to the point where it looks as good as if I'd gone in (despite it taking more than an hour). I do need a bigger handheld mirror, though. I've cut my son's hair three times and he wants me to do it permanently now. So at least there's that.
 
2020-10-18 11:58:15 AM  
Darwin is way beyond smiling at this point. He's giggling hysterically and masturbating furiously.
 
2020-10-18 11:59:50 AM  
I see social media posts from old friends in Ohio - going on girl's trips, flying to other places, hanging out without masks, sending their kids to school every day. In chats, people saying they can't play online games because of travel, visiting family and friends, all these social engagements.

Its surreal. I stay mostly home. My SO goes to work (essential but working in full clean room garb) and the grocery store. Maybe once a month I go pick up food instead of cooking. But then to see all these people doing "normal" things, it does mess with your head - am I being too cautious? Should I relax my standards a bit?

We've done a socially distanced lunch with friends twice now, at a park, sitting a ways away from each other at picnic tables. And the only reason we did is because we trust they are doing the same quarantine standards we are. The husband is also a very active person (biking), as am I (running), and neither of us want to sacrifice our health based on the stories of lingering symptoms.

Meanwhile my co-workers keep pushing for a in-person potluck, more in-person meetings. These are people who barely wash their hands after going to the bathroom, and a bunch of them roll their eyes at having to wear a mask or distance, barely wear a mask at all unless asked. Why the everloving fark would I want to share food with you people?? But, if you don't go, you're not a "team player" or part of the team.

Just absolutely surreal trying to figure out what's OK to do and what limits you should still have, especially considering all the misinformation out there.

/as for hair, curly hair rocks for hiding bad cut jobs
//just trim it myself
///don't enjoy all the massages I have building up that I can't use though
 
2020-10-18 12:00:48 PM  

Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?


Because I've been working with the public steadily the entire time and hear what they say to me.
 
2020-10-18 12:01:07 PM  

thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.


There are some good shops around if you're willing to look.

In June, when my state opened up a bit (with mask requirements), I went back to my local barber. Three man shop, saw 3 maskless barbers and 3 maskless customers in the chairs. And a half dozen mostly maskless people in the waiting area. I turned around and left.

Found a sole proprietor stylist shop. One stylist, one chair, no waiting room. You sit in your car until told to come in. No mask, no entry.
 
2020-10-18 12:04:39 PM  
On the plus side, nobody's banging their damn pots and pans anymore.
 
2020-10-18 12:06:23 PM  

RTOGUY: Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?

Because I've been working with the public steadily the entire time and hear what they say to me.


you mean the public you are serving call you a plague rat to your face?  damn dude, move to a nicer place?  that sucks.
 
2020-10-18 12:12:35 PM  

not enough beer: fanbladesaresharp: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.

Oh lawd, you ain't kidding. If a $20 DVD player wasn't riot inciting enough.

What's a dvd?


I think it is one of the vaccine candidates.
 
2020-10-18 12:15:41 PM  

Hyjamon: RTOGUY: Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?

Because I've been working with the public steadily the entire time and hear what they say to me.

you mean the public you are serving call you a plague rat to your face?  damn dude, move to a nicer place?  that sucks.


Yeah pretty much. They will call me out to fix something and then go on and on about how they can't believe I'm working. Some will complain I'm not wearing enough PPE or the right kind of PPE. They will be spraying things down with bleach while I'm working or they will setup little barriers to make sure I don't leave a particular spot. Generally they act like I'm some sort of rabid and radioactive animal which they have mistakenly let into their home.
 
2020-10-18 12:22:31 PM  

buravirgil: Jeebus Saves: If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.

You need to be specific. The three (3) precautions described by the Boobies were recommended under the advisory quarantine I observed from February thru June when my school was reopened.

The Boobies is likely a personal and factual anecdote about a spouse being as careful as possible while your post dismisses an innocent framing of the three precautions as having a basis in science...

The Boobies is useful information about what others do and have done and is relevant to a discussion about how that produces a fatigue over time when other people ignore behaviors that mitigate advancing COVID-19.

Your dismissal provides no basis for what "science" has or has not recommended. It's a naked assertion. And smartied several times, your dismissal persuades to any who read this thread that such useful information is misguided or incorrect, but without your stating how or why.

Please Be Specific: How are the three procedures described not mitigating behaviors to avoid contracting COVID-19?


There was an article posted around here, maybe in the last month, that detailed how the virus is largely spread by close and prolonged contact with an infected person. Transmission being airborne.  So wiping packages is pretty useless as the virus dies fairly quickly.  Previous studies that were used to scare people used outlandishly high amounts of the virus on a surface that really don't occur in natural settings.  Kind of like making someone drink five gallons of water in 15 minutes.

the science is increasingly showing wear a damn mask and socially distance.  Worry about people, not surfaces.
 
2020-10-18 12:25:10 PM  

RTOGUY: Hyjamon: RTOGUY: 

Yeah pretty much. They will call me out to fix something and then go on and on about how they can't believe I'm working. Some will complain I'm not wearing enough PPE or the right kind of PPE. They will be spraying things down with bleach while I'm working or they will setup little barriers to make sure I don't leave a particular spot. Generally they act like I'm some sort of rabid and radioactive animal which they have mistakenly let into their home.


people suck then.  Our fridge broke and so we had to have someone come fix it.  before he arrived we opened all the doors and windows to air out the house so they would feel safe entering, kids were sequestered upstairs, we all wore masks.  I even pulled the unit out to the middle of the floor to save some time.

$350 to replace the starter to the compressor was the only reason I was upset with the situation, but better than $1-2k for a new fridge.

we waited until he left to wipe down door knobs and such.

we were glad he was able to be working that day.  pleasant fellow.
 
2020-10-18 12:27:29 PM  

JRoo: Indoor dining is back in my state. I ate fries in a Runza. Everyone was wearing masks.


We have indoor dining also. In fact, an Indian cuisine place just opened up. Loves me some goat biryani.
Most places only open 'till 10pm, fewer hours over all. Lots of sanitizing, wiping down. servers all wearing masks. For the most part, folks around here are wearing masks and keeping a safe distance.

I welcome the change. Keep up the sanitizing ritual dammit!
Maybe less common seasonal flu cases?
Beats sitting next to ' Aqualung ' at our favorite tavern.
 
2020-10-18 12:28:15 PM  

thealgorerhythm: Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.


You do realize that this virus is going to be another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus will probably never go away right? 

"keep things festering" hahahha.  That was a good one.
 
2020-10-18 12:28:26 PM  

not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.


Fair point, and I agree with that assessment. Now apply the same rationale to the common flu, and the death rate for that begins to round to zero. Lots of people get mild cases of the flu without seeking treatment. I have family in healthcare, and none of them remember a flu season that even came close to what Covid is doing to their hospitals. This is not, I repeat not on the same level as the flu yet.

1% means 1% of diagnosed cases. That should go without saying.
 
2020-10-18 12:29:22 PM  

Eightballjacket: There was an article posted around here, maybe in the last month, that detailed how the virus is largely spread by close and prolonged contact with an infected person. Transmission being airborne.  So wiping packages is pretty useless as the virus dies fairly quickly.  Previous studies that were used to scare people used outlandishly high amounts of the virus on a surface that really don't occur in natural settings.  Kind of like making someone drink five gallons of water in 15 minutes.

the science is increasingly showing wear a damn mask and socially distance.  Worry about people, not surfaces.


yea, I was vigilant about wiping down things, letting mail sit for a few days and no take-out at first.  As we learned that surface transmission, while not completely ruled out, is near zero for means of spreading.  We don't worry about wiping down bottles as much and we now order take-out.  Never hurts though if you still want to wipe things down and skip licking doorknobs.
 
2020-10-18 12:30:12 PM  

born_yesterday: FormlessOne: it's a familiar mental illness, so I can cope.

The great thing about chronic anxiety is that it's always exciting.

Tell

me about it. Never a dull day.
 
2020-10-18 12:32:06 PM  

H31N0US: This is not, I repeat not on the same level as the flu yet.


And of course that just depends on how you try to compare them.  The flu has killed many many many more people than Covid19.  It's been around a lot longer. 

Lies, damn lies and statistics!
 
2020-10-18 12:33:07 PM  

bfh0417: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

The media feeds the bad news. Not just the pandemic, but every news "story" is negative. Turn it off.


Fark isn't much different than that these days.
 
2020-10-18 12:35:50 PM  
Incredible what a well tuned propaganda machine can do.
 
2020-10-18 12:37:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: NotThatGuyAgain: not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.

The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out

Publix is selling a 24 pack for $9.99. I have two.


Oh, I didn't mean to imply I can't find it or expect shortages soon.

I generally shop at BJs and I live alone.  One megapack fits perfectly in a bathroom cabinet and lasts a long damn time, like I think I last bought some in April lol.

And in case anyone says a wholesale club doesn't really work for people who live alone, vacuum sealer + freezer saves me a TON of money.
 
2020-10-18 12:38:15 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

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HOW!  Dammit.


I figured out who to cut my hair as well!

/anyone but me
 
2020-10-18 12:38:59 PM  

yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.


That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin addiction.  I'm on to you.
 
2020-10-18 12:49:15 PM  

Hyjamon: RTOGUY: Hyjamon: RTOGUY: My only fatigue comes from hearing about how everyone is working at home and staying in without acknowledging that it's only because so many others aren't working at home. Why can't all these plague rats just stay home?! They cry to the heavens while ordering a new tv from Amazon and bringing in their weekly grocery delivery. Yes it is such a sacrifice for the paper shuffling classes with yet another online meeting and nothing good left to watch on Netflix.

why do you think we don't acknowledge it?

Because I've been working with the public steadily the entire time and hear what they say to me.

you mean the public you are serving call you a plague rat to your face?  damn dude, move to a nicer place?  that sucks.


I had a buddy flies for a cargo company. The ones making it possible for people to stay home. His neighbors in his condo petitioned the board to try to force him to stay in a hotel. I am essential worker who has been having to go to work since the beginning and I had one or two farkers tell me to measure myself for a casket.
 
2020-10-18 12:50:28 PM  

thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.


While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still be politicized to hell an back.

I am looking VERY forward to the inevitable chaos after the election.  Won't matter who wins, there will be chaos with the loser's side accusing the winner's side of cheating.  I love chaos.

/I have a "bottle of JD" bet with a right-side brainwashed friend that Trump will lose, which he will barring some absolute miracle. My friend is so brainwashed he doesn't see the Ds will own the House and Senate next year.
//Put an open bet for "$2000 or the cost of a Fender Strat from the Mod Shop, whichever is less" on FB but got no takers lol.
 
2020-10-18 12:52:51 PM  

H31N0US: not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.

Fair point, and I agree with that assessment. Now apply the same rationale to the common flu, and the death rate for that begins to round to zero. Lots of people get mild cases of the flu without seeking treatment. I have family in healthcare, and none of them remember a flu season that even came close to what Covid is doing to their hospitals. This is not, I repeat not on the same level as the flu yet.

1% means 1% of diagnosed cases. That should go without saying.


Fair but so many people do mix and match statistics I can't keep straight what people's arguments are anymore.
 
2020-10-18 1:07:59 PM  

not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.


You are speculating.  There is no way that more than 10 percent of the population has already been infected.

No matter how much you try to downplay this, Trump will not grab your pussy.
 
2020-10-18 1:10:40 PM  
Took my daughter to Severs Fall Festival yesterday. On the way up we drove by the big yellow candy store. Must've been a hundred people in line waiting to get inside. Saw a few masks and zero social distancing. We spent an hour at Severs and it started to sprinkle so we left. Driving by the big yellow candy store on the way home we saw just as many people in line. I hate this shiat. I hate that it's normal for my three year old to ask for her mask when we go anywhere. I get it. I'm still doing my duty distancing and masking up. We have a long road ahead of us I think. On the way home I thought of that movie Millennium. Haven't seen it in twenty years, but I never forgot that quote at the end. "This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end. It is the end of the beginning."
 
2020-10-18 1:11:58 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...


Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.
 
2020-10-18 1:12:35 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.

That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin hairoin addiction.  I'm on to you.

 
2020-10-18 1:16:25 PM  

G. Tarrant: But since we're pretty convinced that those people - backed by idiotic politicians, largely Republicans, downplaying the whole thing - aren't going to change their ways, at some point you start wondering if you should just give in and say to hell with it. And while we aren't yet, it'll happen more and more.


Don't. The thing is, saying "to hell with it" doesn't just risk your own health or even your life, but the health & lives of others.

We're demanding selflessness from the country that announced that "greed was good" in the mid-80s, then went ahead & spawned the "Me! Generation," followed by the "ME! ME! ME! Generation," and finally, the "Meme Generation."
 
2020-10-18 1:25:37 PM  

bfh0417: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

The media feeds the bad news. Not just the pandemic, but every news "story" is negative. Turn it off.


All of your comments are negative, should we turn you off?
 
2020-10-18 1:35:07 PM  

zeroman987: not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.

You are speculating.  There is no way that more than 10 percent of the population has already been infected.

No matter how much you try to downplay this, Trump will not grab your pussy.


I am down playing this?  I have never down played this and now I am a Trump Supporter?  Fark off. One in five to ten was the last estimate i saw from experts I may be wrong but still.
 
2020-10-18 1:39:26 PM  

zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.


8 million positive tests, countless infected, never tested, never symptomatic. Current best estimates are 15% have had it as of end of September.
 
2020-10-18 1:42:33 PM  
It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective vaccine. Is the plan to do the very minimal to exist for years?

Most people just say, 'wear masks and Covid will go away, then we reopen'

And again, I don't get it. You know how many cases we had last year? Zero. We had zero and we still saw it spread everywhere. Getting back to zero, unless it is globally (impossible) will just lead to it spreading again, unless we have severe restrictions. So we can't reopen, right?

I also don't understand the differences between countries and how people point to them. Everyone mocked Sweden for, basically, doing nothing.... But as time went on, they kept doing better and better. And everyone just stopped taking about them. Lots of EU countries were doing good, and people said, 'why can't we be like them' but then they started doing a lot worse.

The EU passed the US in active cases per capita

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com​/intelligencer/amp/2020/10/european-un​ion-passes-u-s-in-active-coronavirus-c​ases.html

Also, in the beginning, everyone was focused on the death rate. It was everywhere. It was by age, by county, all sorts. Then we all just stopped taking about it? What happened to that? And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly.

Oh and, my personal favorite, literally everyone I know personally who says we all just need to wear masks.... Fails to properly handle their masks at all. The don't follow CDC guidelines, they don't wash their hands before putting it on/taking it off. They aren't washing it regularly or storing it in a container to prevent contamination.

They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.
 
2020-10-18 1:43:30 PM  

not enough beer: zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.

Considering we catch 1 in 5 to 1 in10 infections we are probably closer to 40-80 million infections. Point being we know we have had a lot more then 8 million infections.  I have had two coworkers who had it and they both thought it was allergies. Both only got tested because their spouses actually felt ill and turned out they had it.


People with no training in statistics can quibble over the numbers and percentages all they want online. All I need to know is that even with mask mandates, massive numbers working from home, reduced restaurant/bar capacity and hours, etc Covid has still managed to become the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.
 
2020-10-18 1:48:46 PM  

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


Theory is that the antibodies last for maybe a year and herd immunity is impossible at the current rate of spread.. So next summer there will either be stories of people catching it a second time or there won't. I'm cool waiting and letting other people be the viral guinea pigs in the herd immunity experiment.
 
2020-10-18 1:54:56 PM  
It's not just covid. It's the election and the knowledge that a good chunk of the population is ruining it for everyone else because of ignorance and out in the open racism, both of which fanned by trump.

Covid should never have been a problem. Had cdc been set up right and the monitoring in China really in place it could have been like sars. Dangerous and deadly but not 250k deadly.

Blame Trump. He is responsible. But blame people who voted for him or wrote in "my favorite republican."
 
2020-10-18 1:55:25 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective va ...


I don't understand what you're rambling about.

If you want to understand how to beat COVID, look at the East Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan. Everyone wears a mask, they do a ridiculous amount of testing, and when someone tests positive, they and everyone they've come into contact with are isolated until they are infection free. Taiwan, a nation with 23 million people, has only had 500 cases and 7 deaths. Florida, with 21 million people, has had 752k cases and 16k deaths.

What went wrong in the US? Simple: People won't wear masks. We don't have enough contact tracers. And despite not having enough testing capacity, there's actually a testing surplus because so few people are being tested.
 
2020-10-18 1:58:16 PM  

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


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2020-10-18 1:59:53 PM  

Eightballjacket: Worry about people, not surfaces.


If hitting a long shot is beneficial to them, people think it's going to happen any moment now
If hitting a long shot is detrimental to them, people think that would never happen to me

well some people think that way anyway
 
2020-10-18 2:00:31 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.


have you not seen pictures of healthcare workers doing all of that?

we can barely get people to wear a mask, now you want goggles and earmuffs?

Honestly they should wear all of that, but out of those three things, the mask is the most useful.

start simple.
 
2020-10-18 2:03:02 PM  
There's "pandemic fatigue" and then there are people who still won't wear a damn mask and never stopped going to crowded places like bars.
 
2020-10-18 2:04:08 PM  

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


It is astounding to me that anyone continues trying to push this lie that we somehow have to choose between "infect everyone with a neuroinvasive virus" and "the economy."

Wanna know what will "destroy the economy?" 15-25% of the entire population suffering permanent neurological and physiological damage.
 
2020-10-18 2:11:08 PM  

inner ted: The_Sponge: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

This is not the new normal. Live is not meant to be lived this way.

No shiat
But selfish pricks need to fly on planes and go to motorcycle rallies and party so ya
It's the new normal
Thanks


Oh yeah?  Well flew down to Portland last weekend.  So  nyah!
 
2020-10-18 2:16:47 PM  
Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."


It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swed​i​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?
 
2020-10-18 2:19:55 PM  

cefm: The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.


You mean like they did in Europe?

"Coronavirus cases hit records in Europe, surpassing U.S. numbers"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/​e​urope/covid-europe-records/2020/10/15/​0126c256-0ee7-11eb-b404-8d1e675ec701_s​tory.html
 
2020-10-18 2:21:13 PM  

AwfulObject: Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."

It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swedi​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?


Sacrifice, eh?  Are you willing to sacrifice your job?
 
2020-10-18 2:22:13 PM  
I hate wearing masks. I always wear a mask. We have not been able to track its long term effects, but they've seen people suffer from respiratory problems for months after they "recovered."

What part of "deadly global pandemic" don't people understand?
 
2020-10-18 2:28:41 PM  
The_Sponge:

"Sacrifice, eh?  Are you willing to sacrifice your job?"

Hahahahahahahahaha. Too late, motherfarker!
 
2020-10-18 2:40:23 PM  
That article acts like there was some point where we were all banded together to stop the virus when the reality is we were like a pool with a peeing and no peeing side.
 
2020-10-18 2:47:30 PM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


That's right. Like the honey badger, pandemic don't care.
 
2020-10-18 2:59:56 PM  
Yeah, we went through the motions of trying. Now you're telling me that I still can't go shopping, and travel all over the world? This is unAmerican, and I demand my rights.

Or I'll just doing the same shiat I always did, because the world probably does revolve around me.
 
2020-10-18 3:22:03 PM  

G. Tarrant: The article is pretty spot-on. The people I know, including myself and my husband, who have tried to do the right things are more than tired and frustrated with the people that have ignored the pandemic and done whatever they wanted, and ended up prolonging this thing. And while a lot of people who have gone and continued to travel or whatever have contracted the virus, a lot more of them have not, and the ones that haven't take the fact that they haven't as proof that they are the "smart ones" who are able to continue to do whatever they want (and do so more cheaply, and in places not nearly as crowded, as they might otherwise be).

Meanwhile, those of us who canceled vacations, avoid groups, go out masked, shop only when necessary, etc. are frustrated by the fact that had those other people done the right things, we might be on the other side of this. But since we're pretty convinced that those people - backed by idiotic politicians, largely Republicans, downplaying the whole thing - aren't going to change their ways, at some point you start wondering if you should just give in and say to hell with it. And while we aren't yet, it'll happen more and more.


Same here. School here let out in March. We literally isolated ourselves for 3 mos. No going out to eat. No shopping. Nothing . We finally had to start doing grocery pickup at walmart. Then I'd spray it all down before unloading etc. And I know people who did none of the above. Still dont have it and me the wife and grandson have it now. I even sprayed down incoming mail etc.
 
2020-10-18 3:25:21 PM  

cefm: The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.


Not unless the federal had provided a temporary UBI, put a moratorium on evictions in place, maxed out testing, used the Defense Production Act to mandate mask production, created quarantine hotels, conducted a public health education campaign, made all local and county LE agencies responsible for enforcing mask mandates, raised the min. Wage for essential workers to validate their essential status, and all the other things that sane nations did.
 
2020-10-18 3:38:19 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: yakmans_dad: The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.

Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.

That means cutting your own hair leads to heroin addiction.  I'm on to you.


Back when I had a full head of hippie hair -- John Cippolina length -- I grew morbidly tired of it and wanted it down to around 3" long. So, I went to a barber and told him and showed him how long I wanted it. He gave me a boot camp cut. And smirked about it. So, it was 10 years before I went to another barber. Whatever length I wanted was between me and the mirror.

No heroin. Not even any Demerol.
 
2020-10-18 3:48:28 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.


Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.
 
2020-10-18 3:53:56 PM  

Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.


Double posting to answer my own question, but it seems yes from some quick googling.  On a sufficiently warm day your car could theoretically sterilize the mask if left in there at temperature for about a half hour.
 
2020-10-18 3:56:02 PM  

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


The Great Barrington Declaration relies on a few key assumptions, none of which I believe are true:

* Herd immunity can be reached with as few as 1 in 5 people being personally immune to COVID. The most accurate estimates of the virus's base reproduction rate are much closer to that of polio than influenza. That means we need more than 4 in 5 people with personal immunity to COVID to gain the benefits of herd immunity.

* COVID spreads in a steady manner, i.e. any single case will result in the same number of people getting infected as any other. The spread of COVID appears to be overdispersed, meaning that most infections end with nobody else acquiring the virus and a small number of infections result in superspreading events. If we fail to stop those superspreading events, we make no progress in stopping its spread; mass gatherings in indoor places without masks and with loud patrons in close contact with each other are tailor-made situations to become these kinds of events, and those are the kinds of events the signers of the declaration want to happen.

* Isolating vulnerable populations is cost-effective. The only successful examples of bubbles I'm aware of came at great cost like that spent by the NBA or MLS for their returns to competition. The many assisted care facilities around the globe can't afford to create such bubbles.

* The only outcomes from a COVID infection are recovery and death. Many people who did not die from their COVID infection (current estimates say 1 in 10 survivors) still show symptoms of their illness more than six months later, long enough for them to qualify for diagnosis with ME/CFS if their symptoms include fatigue, brain fog, and chronic pain.

* Immunity gained through infection is permanent. Thanks to gene sequencing, we know there are several documented examples of people catching COVID twice.

* If immunity isn't permanent, it's likely to provide benefits that would make a second infection less severe. At least one person has probably died of COVID during a second infection. At least one other person was hospitalized during a second infection. It's safe to say these two cases are just the tip of the iceberg.
 
2020-10-18 3:58:19 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's really hard to trust anything at this point. The bit about masks being worthless, and then later saying they aren't... Whatever. I can accept that. Depending on who you listen to, that was either an intentional lie to preserve supply for healthcare workers, or the scientific community learning more.

But I'm talking bigger picture. I still haven't heard, and still don't understand, what we are trying to do.

In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended.

And I really don't understand what we are doing. And like, I'm not *that* stupid. I have two degrees and a professional job. I don't have a political affiliation. I'm not a science denier. But I'm completely clueless.

Half my friends are convinced everyone just needs to wear a mask and live will be fixed in two weeks. But that the mask only protects other people from the wearer, and selfish jerks are ruining everything.

I don't understand that. And like, I've asked people, but I've never gotten an answer that made sense. Mostly, I get insulted.

I don't understand how a mask can effectively prevent covid from spreading *from* you, but not * to* you. The best explanation I have heard is that droplets only exit your mouth and nose and masks block you from spreading them... But your eyes and ears can get infected by droplets from others.

That makes sense, right?

So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

I also don't understand when this ends? Like, I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just want to know what is being asked of me. It started with a specific deadline and restaurants shutting down. Now what is the plan? It could be years before we have an effective va ...



You point out a lot of inconsistencies and ask a lot of really important questions.

Unfortunately, the only thing I can suggest is that despite the fact that Covid-19 is real, stop actually thinking about all of this in the context of public health, and instead, listen to the globalist elites and oligarchs when they tell us that this is the opportunity to enact a "great economic reset" and accordingly that all of this anxiety, fear, contradiction, and confusion which constitutes the "new normal" is by design and isn't going away, because the goal of zero covid cases not only isn't remotely realistic, it isn't the point. The point is to condition us and force us to be docile - scared people are easily manipulated - as they usher in a new technocratic authoritarian era of social tracking, surveillance, and vaccination profits for the politically connected.

Get ready for 2021 to be a mirror image of 2020, with forced vaccinations and further deliberate economic collapse on top of likely further social unrest and violence caused by the likes of BLM and Antifa.
 
2020-10-18 3:59:52 PM  

AwfulObject: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...

Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.


Oh blah farking blah blah blah.

She has been part of the DC problem since at least the 90s.  To think she would have had any significant impact on the spread of Covid is naive.
 
2020-10-18 4:15:00 PM  

not enough beer: fanbladesaresharp: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.

Oh lawd, you ain't kidding. If a $20 DVD player wasn't riot inciting enough.

What's a dvd?


C'mon man, do we have to explain Walmart Black Friday history to you?
 
2020-10-18 4:16:15 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: AwfulObject: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...

Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.

Oh blah farking blah blah blah.

She has been part of the DC problem since at least the 90s.  To think she would have had any significant impact on the spread of Covid is naive.


What? C19 none response is completely a small Government on brand move. So
STFUYSMF
 
2020-10-18 4:16:34 PM  

Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.

Sorry to rant.

Anyways, our COVID ward is full, cases in my state and county are increasing, and the public general is getting more lackadaisical with basic precautions by the day.  This is probably going to be at least another two years of bullshiat if we ever get back to normal at all, and frankly it's irksome.


Everyone at my hospital is tired, too. Montana did so well for the first several months, but since Labor Day many are over it. Since then, Montana is one of the top states in the nation in rising cases per capita. One day, we were number three, and we've had several days in a row of record new cases. If Governor Bullock wasn't in a tight race with Steve Daines for a Senate seat, I think he'd be closing the state down again. Hospitals across the state are reaching capacity, and it was big news yesterday that the large trauma hospital in Billings is activating their surge plan and bringing in nurses from elsewhere because they have so many on quarantine. A couple of weeks ago in Helena, there was an outdoor Let Freedom Ring Concert that received approval from public health because the organizers showed their plans for social-distancing and masking. Go figure, people who attend a freedom concert care not one bit about masking and social-distancing, and the organizers' response has been to shrug it off and say they did the best they could and attendees knew what they were getting into and made their choice. Public Health is working with the County Attorney to fine them. Now, cases are showing up that are being traced to the concert. The nurses here receive a lot of support for the community. A few years ago when the union was renegotiating thenew contract, they took their position public and even in this red state got tremendous support. Now the nurses are weary because they spend their days taking care of the sick only to go out in the community and see people not masking and going about life as normal because freedom. The union is once again taking their case to the community, pleading with them to help take care of the ones taking care of them. They are still receiving pushback. Yet, these same people will be the ones going to their doctor and the hospital (and complaining about not being able to have visitors) if they get sick. It is infuriating
 
2020-10-18 4:17:42 PM  
Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.
 
2020-10-18 4:30:18 PM  

Winterlight: Chiming on the pandemic fatigue. We both have to work at our respective offices, though for small companies that require masks in office, have daily cleaning, etc. etc. etc. We don't eat out, we limit our grocery shopping to no more than twice a month, and (politely) turn down all social engagement invitations.

Which was okay for the first few months, but then the stir-craziness started to set in. So we decided to take advantage of the isolation. We converted our entire downstairs area into an extensive art studio and audio production space (she's an artist, I'm a musician), we've both started experimenting with learning foreign (to us) cuisines, she's gotten heavily into gardening, we take long walks together nearly every evening, and after googling "nature areas near me", we've started exploring outdoor areas within an hours drive.

It's helped. A lot. As in, we haven't killed each other, and we've so far avoided getting sick even with having to work away from home. But we're not sure what will happen when the cold weather hits and we're limited to what we can do at home.


If your ages or physical conditions aren't barriers, I encourage you to get out in the cold anyway. Winter is a great tome to get outside. I'm in Montana and getting outside for even a walk at night helps with SADD. You can pick-up reasonably priced, good cold weather layering gear at REI and Costco. If you're in snow country, some of the wilderness areas you visited may be good places for snowshoeing, or they may groom the trails for cross-country skiing. Golf courses also sometimes groom for cross-country.  I'm taking up cross-country this year and looking into weekend or seasonal equipment rentals.

Great username, btw.
 
2020-10-18 4:37:45 PM  

kp1230: Man_Without_A_Hat: Everyone I know in my hospital where I work is tired.  Morale in my ER is consistently lower than its norm.  None of us have taken a stretch of time off since this whole thing began, due to every one of us being essential and so on.

And despite us all doing the right things in minimizing our exposure as much as possible, every day we are taking care of idiots who cannot believe they are infected with the virus. Just yesterday some young guy coughing non-stop with oxygen saturations consistently in the 60s on room air was furious when I insisted on him wearing a mask.  Like dude, I don't even need the test, you've got the farking virus.  I've already had it once, my antibodies are probably gone, and I have no interest in getting it again because you don't believe in basic science, which begs the question why the fark are you here in the first place if you don't want my opinion or help.

Sorry to rant.

Anyways, our COVID ward is full, cases in my state and county are increasing, and the public general is getting more lackadaisical with basic precautions by the day.  This is probably going to be at least another two years of bullshiat if we ever get back to normal at all, and frankly it's irksome.

Everyone at my hospital is tired, too. Montana did so well for the first several months, but since Labor Day many are over it. Since then, Montana is one of the top states in the nation in rising cases per capita. One day, we were number three, and we've had several days in a row of record new cases. If Governor Bullock wasn't in a tight race with Steve Daines for a Senate seat, I think he'd be closing the state down again. Hospitals across the state are reaching capacity, and it was big news yesterday that the large trauma hospital in Billings is activating their surge plan and bringing in nurses from elsewhere because they have so many on quarantine. A couple of weeks ago in Helena, there was an outdoor Let Freedom Ring Concert that received approval from public health because the organizers showed their plans for social-distancing and masking. Go figure, people who attend a freedom concert care not one bit about masking and social-distancing, and the organizers' response has been to shrug it off and say they did the best they could and attendees knew what they were getting into and made their choice. Public Health is working with the County Attorney to fine them. Now, cases are showing up that are being traced to the concert. The nurses here receive a lot of support for the community. A few years ago when the union was renegotiating thenew contract, they took their position public and even in this red state got tremendous support. Now the nurses are weary because they spend their days taking care of the sick only to go out in the community and see people not masking and going about life as normal because freedom. The union is once again taking their case to the community, pleading with them to help take care of the ones taking care of them. They are still receiving pushback. Yet, these same people will be the ones going to their doctor and the hospital (and complaining about not being able to have visitors) if they get sick. It is infuriating


This
 
2020-10-18 4:40:09 PM  

MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.


He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....
 
2020-10-18 4:48:59 PM  

OlderGuy: MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.

He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....


You're thinking of Louis Agassiz and his exploration up the Wazoo in South America.
 
2020-10-18 4:53:24 PM  

erik-k: RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.

It is astounding to me that anyone continues trying to push this lie that we somehow have to choose between "infect everyone with a neuroinvasive virus" and "the economy."

Wanna know what will "destroy the economy?" 15-25% of the entire population suffering permanent neurological and physiological damage.


I challenge your notion that intelligence has anything to do with the economy.
 
2020-10-18 4:54:31 PM  

Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.


I believe the virus is disabled at 134 degrees after a minute and a half that might be the half-life I'm not sure

you can get a barrel sauna for under 3000

I usually run mine at 160 or 170 on the level at which I lay

I understand it is disabled more quickly in a moist heat than a dry heat
 
2020-10-18 4:58:04 PM  
I don't think I'd trust UV index much under 14 to kill the virus and then it might take awhile
 
2020-10-18 4:59:16 PM  

zepillin: Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.

I believe the virus is disabled at 134 degrees after a minute and a half that might be the half-life I'm not sure

you can get a barrel sauna for under 3000

I usually run mine at 160 or 170 on the level at which I lay

I understand it is disabled more quickly in a moist heat than a dry heat


Are you suggesting I buy a sauna to sterilize my masks?
 
2020-10-18 4:59:57 PM  

yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.

He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....

You're thinking of Louis Agassiz and his exploration up the Wazoo in South America.


Did he find Darwin ?
 
2020-10-18 5:00:36 PM  

Serious Black: zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.

The Great Barrington Declaration relies on a few key assumptions, none of which I believe are true:

* Herd immunity can be reached with as few as 1 in 5 people being personally immune to COVID. The most accurate estimates of the virus's base reproduction rate are much closer to that of polio than influenza. That means we need more than 4 in 5 people with personal immunity to COVID to gain the benefits of herd immunity.

* COVID spreads in a steady manner, i.e. any single case will result in the same number of people getting infected as any other. The spread of COVID appears to be overdispersed, meaning that most infections end with nobody else acquiring the virus and a small number of infections result in superspreading events. If we fail to stop those superspreading events, we make no progress in stopping its spread; mass gatherings in indoor places without masks and with loud patrons in close contact with each other are tailor-made situations to become these kinds of events, and those are the kinds of events the signers of the declaration want to happen.

* Isolating vulnerable populations is cost-effective. The only successful examples of bubbles I'm aware of came at great cost like that spent by the NBA or MLS for their returns to competition. The many assisted care facilities around the globe can't afford to create such bubbles.

* The only outcomes from a COVID infection are recovery and death. Many people who did not die from their COVID infection (current estimates say 1 in 10 survivors) still show symptoms of their illness more than six months later, long enough for them to qualify for diagnosis with ME/CFS if their symptoms include fatigue, brain fog, and chronic pain.

* Immunity gained through infection is p ...


This one is particularly vital, among important points, and one that conservatives have very hard times even basically understanding. They are so geared to thinking "200k, 300k dead, worth losing whatever to get back to normal," but they cannot make secondary orders of thinking into what the virus could be doing other than killing people.

But then this is pretty typical of conservatives. They think of one thing, then stop.
 
2020-10-18 5:03:17 PM  

OlderGuy: yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.

He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....

You're thinking of Louis Agassiz and his exploration up the Wazoo in South America.

Did he find Darwin ?


Mostly just fish.
 
2020-10-18 5:05:33 PM  

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


I don't know why no one took you to task for this. I guess people are tuning out your bullshiat.

European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.
 
2020-10-18 5:07:48 PM  

Tchernobog: zepillin: Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.

I believe the virus is disabled at 134 degrees after a minute and a half that might be the half-life I'm not sure

you can get a barrel sauna for under 3000

I usually run mine at 160 or 170 on the level at which I lay

I understand it is disabled more quickly in a moist heat than a dry heat

Are you suggesting I buy a sauna to sterilize my masks?


I am and anything else you might want to sterilize

the Heat goes well up your nostrils and envelops your eyes and even hit some of the mucous membranes of your mouth if you so desire

even if the inside of your car is 134 Some of the Mask may not be exposed to those temperatures depending on how it is laid

don't believe lower temperatures work but I could be wrong

I'm pretty sure humidity plays a role
 
2020-10-18 5:11:51 PM  
I'm pretty sure a mask well hung at room temperature for two or three days is cool too

I would trust it anyway
 
2020-10-18 5:12:23 PM  

zepillin: Tchernobog: zepillin: Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.

I believe the virus is disabled at 134 degrees after a minute and a half that might be the half-life I'm not sure

you can get a barrel sauna for under 3000

I usually run mine at 160 or 170 on the level at which I lay

I understand it is disabled more quickly in a moist heat than a dry heat

Are you suggesting I buy a sauna to sterilize my masks?

I am and anything else you might want to sterilize

the Heat goes well up your nostrils and envelops your eyes and even hit some of the mucous membranes of your mouth if you so desire

even if the inside of your car is 134 Some of the Mask may not be exposed to those temperatures depending on how it is laid

don't believe lower temperatures work but I could be wrong

I'm pretty sure humidity plays a role


You do realize how ridiculous that is, right?
 
2020-10-18 5:16:30 PM  

Hyjamon: Fark_Guy_Rob: So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart.

have you not seen pictures of healthcare workers doing all of that?

we can barely get people to wear a mask, now you want goggles and earmuffs?

Honestly they should wear all of that, but out of those three things, the mask is the most useful.

start simple.


No, I'm sorry, but your response doesn't make sense. We aren't talking about the entire population, we are taking about YOU right now. And me.

We know some people will never comply with mask policies and, currently, we say that they are selfish because them not wearing a mask puts YOU and ME at risk.

Now, you are telling me we can be safe from those jerks and do whatever we want because cloth masks are effective at stopping transmission, if we just wear goggles and earmuffs.... But we aren't going to recommend that to anyone because some people don't wear masks?!?!

That's absurd.

I can't believe any rational person would hold your position. For an extra $20 you can guarantee you don't get sick.... But you would rather try to change the entire population of your city or town to all wear masks, while risking infection of a deadly disease.....?

Also, your healthcare worker comparison falls apart real fast because healthcare workers still don't consider cloth masks PPE in the real sense of the word. They might use a cloth mask over an n95 to get more use out of it... But never by itself.
 
2020-10-18 5:47:11 PM  

Tchernobog: zepillin: Tchernobog: zepillin: Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.

I believe the virus is disabled at 134 degrees after a minute and a half that might be the half-life I'm not sure

you can get a barrel sauna for under 3000

I usually run mine at 160 or 170 on the level at which I lay

I understand it is disabled more quickly in a moist heat than a dry heat

Are you suggesting I buy a sauna to sterilize my masks?

I am and anything else you might want to sterilize

the Heat goes well up your nostrils and envelops your eyes and even hit some of the mucous membranes of your mouth if you so desire

even if the inside of your car is 134 Some of the Mask may not be exposed to those temperatures depending on how it is laid

don't believe lower temperatures work but I could be wrong

I'm pretty sure humidity plays a role

You do realize how ridiculous that is, right?


Oh yeah definitely in every way
 
2020-10-18 5:48:11 PM  

zepillin: Tchernobog: zepillin: Tchernobog: zepillin: Tchernobog: Fark_Guy_Rob: They treat it like a baseball cap. They leave it in the car. It's not really about science or risk to them... Is just their lucky 'i can't get sick if I put this on and then go do a bunch of unimportant stuff' talisman.

Genuine question....would the heat inside of a car and the UV exposure through a window be enough to kill covid?  Obviously not so much in winter, but when it's warm outside.

Off to the googles, I suppose.  I still wash and sanitize all of ours, but I'm still curious.

I believe the virus is disabled at 134 degrees after a minute and a half that might be the half-life I'm not sure

you can get a barrel sauna for under 3000

I usually run mine at 160 or 170 on the level at which I lay

I understand it is disabled more quickly in a moist heat than a dry heat

Are you suggesting I buy a sauna to sterilize my masks?

I am and anything else you might want to sterilize

the Heat goes well up your nostrils and envelops your eyes and even hit some of the mucous membranes of your mouth if you so desire

even if the inside of your car is 134 Some of the Mask may not be exposed to those temperatures depending on how it is laid

don't believe lower temperatures work but I could be wrong

I'm pretty sure humidity plays a role

You do realize how ridiculous that is, right?

Oh yeah definitely in every way


I just wanted to make sure.

Fwiw, I would love a sauna.  Unfortunately my HOA and bank account would not.
 
2020-10-18 5:51:03 PM  

AwfulObject: Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.

Only, it never ended."

It never truly began. Only in certain states we actually locked down with any kind of rigorousness. My own state never fully locked down, just shut down restaurants for about a month.  The lockdown was squandered because we didn't have anything in place to tackle it. No plans for PPE distribution, no plans for tracking and tracing - and a federal government at war with it's own HHS/CDC. We squandered the opportunities left to us by that small sacrifice.

"So then, why don't we wear goggles, earmuffs, and a mask and be safe from those selfish jerks? I'm honestly asking. The last time, that's when I got called a covid denier and the discussion fell apart."

Because the membranes behind your nose, throat, and lungs are more permeable than your skin. Your lungs especially are designed to deliver oxygen directly to your wider bloodstream. The skin on your eyes and in your ears are less permeable - not saying it's not possible to get it from these vectors - but the R0 seems to suggest these aren't likely vectors.

"I also don't understand when this ends?"

It doesn't - not for a while. It takes concerted effort and sacrifice to fully tackle it - something americans aren't particularly good at.  Asian countries learned how to deal with this during Bird Flu pandemic - but we refused to learn from their lesson, so we're learning ours now. Personal responsibility and sacrifice is what we're going to learn here - buckle up.

"Sweden..."

You even talking about Sweden kinda gives away your game - I know what news sources you're getting your information from(if it weren't obvious from this very post.) But Sweden continues to be a bad example of anything when it comes to COVID. Just look how it's neighboring countries treat it(neighboring countries that have largely gone back to business as usual because their response is so good). 

https://www.thelocal.se/20200615/swedi​sh-tourists-still-banned-when-scandina​via-opens-internal-borders

"And the actual figures I find, most are old, and most vary incredibly wildly."

This by design.

"...properly handle masks."

We went over this earlier - the mask is to keep your particles closer to your body than projecting them all over the place - even if not properly handled, as long as they cover the face and nose they offer more protection for others.

Do you have any other Gish Galloping bad-faith questions? Or is this all of them?


So, this is exactly what I mean. You haven't explained anything really... You've mostly asserted things.

But you did take time to personally attack me. I don't know what news sources you think I follow but I can assure you, you are wrong. I don't follow any particular news source. I see random articles on Fark and I occasionally search Google.

Sweden was all over the news as a complete failure. I started watching it's numbers on the various charting websites and watched as it's per capita numbers continued to improve over the course of months.

It's now 15th and drastically better than the United States.

Saying "well who cares some other country is doing even better" really miss the whole point. Sweden was largely unique in their approach to Covid-19. There are still countries without a single infection, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand what approaches work and what approaches don't.

Especially when we already know Americans won't follow recommendations and our compliance rates will get worse, not better with time.
 
2020-10-18 6:11:12 PM  

thealgorerhythm: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.

I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.

Why? I doubt much will change at the local level. Biden (inshallah) will give us national strategies and logistics but folks with Republican governors are still gonna live in lands of free market viral opportunity where business owners are free to force their employees to work without safeguards and invite their customers to swap germs with one another as well. In fact they'll double down on it because in 2021 going mask free will be how to show the commies that you won't be cowed into submission.


Oh, only to fark with the poster.

A lot of people think if Biden wins it will be some miracle cure for Covid.  Maybe if we get some "Extra, read all about it pinball wizard with a miracle cure"

/slightly obscure
//Extra!
 
2020-10-18 6:11:46 PM  

yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: yakmans_dad: OlderGuy: MIRV888: Darwin is giving gifts to everyone this year.

He,s got volunteers up the wazoo....

You're thinking of Louis Agassiz and his exploration up the Wazoo in South America.

Did he find Darwin ?

Mostly just fish.


They have Piranha there.. did he return home or drop in for a bite?
 
rka
2020-10-18 6:14:53 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.

I don't know why no one took you to task for this. I guess people are tuning out your bullshiat.

European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.


And now their cases are soaring.

France - 32K
Belgium - 10K
Czech - 11K
Spain - 12K
Germany - 8K
Netherlands - 8K

So here comes another hit on their economy as they shut down again.

It seems that everyone saying "if we just would have locked down earlier we'd be out of this" may be a bit off in that prediction. Europe locked down harder and longer than the US did and they still are getting whipped by this 7 months later with no end in sight.

A few SE Asia countries and New Zealand appear to be the only places that have weathered the storm long term. Everyone else is riding wave after wave.
 
2020-10-18 6:32:24 PM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


I missed most of the thread, but I also guarantee you that this is almost over one way or another.  Tolerance for lockdowns is pretty close to over.  And in many places it never took hold.  We're about to enter the twindemic.
 
2020-10-18 6:40:36 PM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


Same here.
Finally solved the mystery of what my real hair color is, now that my hair has grown past my elbows.
 
2020-10-18 6:52:02 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.

I don't know why no one took you to task for this. I guess people are tuning out your bullshiat.

European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.


Most people no longer see Soviet Tuber's weak sauce.
 
2020-10-18 6:52:12 PM  

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


Noice.  There was an effort.   .01/10  .

Thankful that I will never have to  see your posts or replies again. Many shiat-posters eventually end up saying something interesting, and there are also beloved trolls on Fark that I greatly appreciate. To say that you have failed in both regards, is an understatement. Have a nice life on facebook, and certain subreddits.
 
2020-10-18 7:28:32 PM  
I just had some friends go visit family out of town and  now the whole lot of them are positive for Covid.  I really like to travel to my hometown for the holidays, and they would be disappointed if I missed it, but it might be a good idea to not travel this year.  I'm conflicted!

/end Dear Abby-sounding comment
 
2020-10-18 7:38:09 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.


And by better, you mean a 12.1% drop in GDP in Q2, vs 9.5% for the US.
 
2020-10-18 7:46:06 PM  
It is going to be a long slog with incremental improvements that will be spaced out over the next year or so. In a way, this is a test for humanity as a whole. The battle against climate change is going to be psychologically difficult, with very little immediate reward, deniers making trouble, and a lot of fatigue.

The analogy can be extended. For the fight against COVID and climate change carbon, we have all the tools we need. Maybe a mask and a Prius are the same thing. Maybe taking that flight on a jumbo jet is the same as going out for karaoke.

If we fail at PREVENTION of transmitting CO2 and COVID19, then we will have to work that much harder at mitigation and treatment. We need to buy more time to develop those treatments and eventual cures.

I suppose in the end, we are the disease. We spread it. We get sick from it. But we are all we have, and we can do better and be better. Changing ourselves to adapt and stop making difficulties for ourselves would not be the worst thing in the world.
 
2020-10-18 8:00:01 PM  

Dork Gently: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.

And by better, you mean a 12.1% drop in GDP in Q2, vs 9.5% for the US.


I have never seen this kind of discussion end well. I am leery of New Zealand going out on a limb and being their own cheerleader, in fact. Europe as a whole includes a whole lot of different policy cases. Some did well and others did not. I am all in favor of cherry picking cases if one wants to look for good practices and ways to improve, but beating people over the head by saying this or that country is better is just going to lead to more acrimony.

Who knows how this all ends up? Maybe q2 results look better because the US locked down later than most Euro countries did. Might that explain it?

My beef with the US is that there is no coherent policy and there never has been. Making an early bet against masks without knowing how deadly and damaging the disease is... that makes no sense to anybody. It never will. And the US has doubled down by prioritizing short term economic gains over long term health, which also makes no sense. But that is not policy, is it? It is just the way things happened. So will the US luck out? Maybe. But what will really cook your noodle is that the US really had no choice, right? Shouldn't there have been a choice?

So  bragging about how the US did it right is really like bragging that you threw a good number in a craps game.
 
2020-10-18 8:11:07 PM  

2fardownthread: So  bragging about how the US did it right is really like bragging that you threw a good number in a craps game.


My argument is not that the US did it right.  My argument is that the claim "European countries [...] are doing much better economically than the United States" is simply wrong.  Sure, it is possible to cherry-pick individual countries.  But there is no qualifier in the claim that I was criticizing.
 
2020-10-18 8:16:15 PM  

rka: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.

I don't know why no one took you to task for this. I guess people are tuning out your bullshiat.

European countries largely shut down more aggressively and are doing much better economically than the United States. So you can shut your farking gob.

And now their cases are soaring.

France - 32K
Belgium - 10K
Czech - 11K
Spain - 12K
Germany - 8K
Netherlands - 8K

So here comes another hit on their economy as they shut down again.

It seems that everyone saying "if we just would have locked down earlier we'd be out of this" may be a bit off in that prediction. Europe locked down harder and longer than the US did and they still are getting whipped by this 7 months later with no end in sight.

A few SE Asia countries and New Zealand appear to be the only places that have weathered the storm long term. Everyone else is riding wave after wave.


Shall I make the chilling comment that this is probably what Darwinian selection looks like?  Some people figured out that putting a simple piece of cloth over ones mouth and nose cuts infectivity by 1000% and some people did not figure that out, OR their neighbors would not adapt. The weak were culled.

Will we find that societies that adapted quickly will have a prosperous decade ahead and that other societies will be crippled and stagnant?  Will a mask be a mark of sophistication, civility and refinement, while poor mask etiquette will mark a person as a barbarian banjo player from a xxxxhole country?

It did not start out that way, but as time goes on, some societies are going to get ground down and others will just move on. It might play out, and this is entirely possible, that vaccines plus masks will be enough to end the pandemic for some countries. But vaccines + anti vaxxers - masks will be almost entirely ineffective.

So successful countries will be those with competent government, good education, almost 100% vaccination, and civil conscience. Everyone else will just have to do the best they can.
 
2020-10-18 8:19:03 PM  

Winterlight: Chiming on the pandemic fatigue. We both have to work at our respective offices, though for small companies that require masks in office, have daily cleaning, etc. etc. etc. We don't eat out, we limit our grocery shopping to no more than twice a month, and (politely) turn down all social engagement invitations.

Which was okay for the first few months, but then the stir-craziness started to set in. So we decided to take advantage of the isolation. We converted our entire downstairs area into an extensive art studio and audio production space (she's an artist, I'm a musician), we've both started experimenting with learning foreign (to us) cuisines, she's gotten heavily into gardening, we take long walks together nearly every evening, and after googling "nature areas near me", we've started exploring outdoor areas within an hours drive.

It's helped. A lot. As in, we haven't killed each other, and we've so far avoided getting sick even with having to work away from home. But we're not sure what will happen when the cold weather hits and we're limited to what we can do at home.


Nature is beautiful in winter. Please enjoy it, safely!
 
2020-10-18 8:38:50 PM  

Dork Gently: 2fardownthread: So  bragging about how the US did it right is really like bragging that you threw a good number in a craps game.

My argument is not that the US did it right.  My argument is that the claim "European countries [...] are doing much better economically than the United States" is simply wrong.  Sure, it is possible to cherry-pick individual countries.  But there is no qualifier in the claim that I was criticizing.


Ok. I get it. I am not extending your argument and I can see that you are reacting to Scorpitron telling you to shut your gob.  As you might. I do not think anybody should be lording their great numbers over others at this stage. It is a stretch to say that Scorpitron is simply wrong. Scorpitron might be wrong. I am not accusing you of cherry picking at all. I point out that the EU has shown diverse results from diverse policies. So not cherry picking, but Aggregating them, might be misleading.

You can see that I try to be even handed by saying that nobody has room to brag and that even New Zealand has had and will have problems. Rah rah claims actually make me cringe because it never works out well.

But I end up saying that probably A POLICY is better than NO POLICY. And if the US winds up with good results, it will be luck. I will stand by that.

And as far as the disagreement with Scorpitron goes, well. Wow. Eventually we will have all the numbers. And the US is not going to amend its policies any time soon anyway. The discussion is effectively pointless. It might be that the US ends  up with better numbers and crippled workforce for a decade or so. Who knows? The numbers are bad enough, but there is no way that they tell the whole story.
 
2020-10-18 8:39:43 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: AwfulObject: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...

Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.

Oh blah farking blah blah blah.

She has been part of the DC problem since at least the 90s.  To think she would have had any significant impact on the spread of Covid is naive.


And yet South Korea
 
2020-10-18 8:42:33 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: AwfulObject: NotThatGuyAgain: thealgorerhythm: Mister Buttons: thealgorerhythm: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ArcadianRefugee: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 200x306]

Haircut protip: find a barber with an underlying health condition.

My barber had a bad bout of cancer a while back and his immune system is permanently broken. He now only takes appointments over the phone. Customers are allowed in the place one at a time. Haircuts are mask on for him all the time and for me pretty much all the time (he lifts the ear straps out and pulls the mask tight against my face when going around the ears). He sanitizes plenty after each customer. I feel safe enough.

That's got to be rough on your barber.  Feels like he has a gun pressed up against his head all day at work, one small mistake and *Blam!*.

Those were practically his words to me. He can't afford to be out of work, and the restrictions he's put in place have cut his business in half. He's pissed off that our shiatty governor and Trump put him in this position where he has to be the heavy for wanting to live.

I tipped him 100% last time since I'm only getting my hair cut about 1/3 as often it's actually a savings to me.

While you're blaming Trump, consider this:  how would your hair cutting situation have been any different under Hillary?

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a buffoon.

But had Hillary been elected the virus would still be here.  Maybe, and I mean maybe, we would have had tighter restrictions earlier but we'd still be in pretty much the same spot right now regardess of who is President.  The deniers and maskless idiots would still be there, and in that alternate timeline the virus would still ...

Well, Hillary would have at the very least kept consistent with the pandemic response team that had been set up and working for years previous to her term.  She wouldn't also politically hitch a ride on a pro-opening up AstroTurf campaign financed in part by the DeVoss'. She wouldn't have had Chelsea raiding the national stockpile of PPE to hand out to private businesses (campaign donators) and have states bid on things we've already spent tax money on. We wouldn't have our disease response tailored to shoring up stock prices and headed by vested interests. We probably wouldn't have 200k+ dead too.

We'd probably be a lot better off if you think about it critically.

Oh blah farking blah blah blah.

She has been part of the DC problem since at least the 90s.  To think she would have had any significant impact on the spread of Covid is naive.


Literally any functioning adult would have had a better outcome. Even Ted Cruz.
 
2020-10-18 8:59:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: AwfulObject: Fark_Guy_Rob:

"In the beginning, we were going to shutdown for a tiny bit of time to help flatten the curve. To prevent hospitals from being overrun. That was the only plan I ever heard, and that is a plan I can understand.


.....

Saying "well who cares some other country is doing even better" really miss the whole point. Sweden was largely unique in their approach to Covid-19. There are still countries without a single infection, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand what approaches work and what approaches don't.

Especially when we already know Americans won't follow recommendations and our compliance rates will get worse, not better with time.



Your last comments about watching other countries are really good. I want to encourage people to do that. There is just no room for acrimony when we are literally all in this together. Rather than busting on countries for not doing this and that, we need to look for best practices and adopt them wherever possible.

We have a brief period here when the RUssian trolls and others are busy doing other things. We should mend fences and get on the side of the angels.

As far as the US thing goes, your last sentence sums it up. There is just no debate. Or let's say that there are some countries that will seek and adopt best practices, and some that can not or will not.

Let's say, for argument, that the US posted unbelievably great results. We would have no way of confirming them or explaining them or emulating them. We could be pretty sure that the results were not the outcome of some policy or initiative. There is no reasonable alternative but to treat them as noise. As it happens, the news from the US is not good, and we know that the US has no coherent policy, so end of discussion. What can be learned?

Just personally, I would love to see good news. I think if we reported only the good news, we would see the same patterns over and over. Imitating success is much more constructive than assigning blame for failure. As one example, every vaccine thread begins with some chucklehead complaining that it is not going to be any good because of x. But vaccines are going to work very well for countries that are ready and waiting for them.

Meh. Nobody will read this. It is too long and too far down thread.
 
2020-10-18 9:19:52 PM  
Gramma:
Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

Way ahead of you. I've gone from "old man who pretends to have a pony tail", to "do the marines really take people that old?". At least when it's only 1/4 to 1/2 in. long, and you mostly stayed at home most of your life, it doesn't much matter as you climb the learning curve with those clippers. We don't have a dog, so those are people clippers. Also, with really short hair, I have discovered a lot more area is balding.
 
2020-10-18 9:27:50 PM  

Al Tsheimers: Gramma:
Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

Way ahead of you. I've gone from "old man who pretends to have a pony tail", to "do the marines really take people that old?". At least when it's only 1/4 to 1/2 in. long, and you mostly stayed at home most of your life, it doesn't much matter as you climb the learning curve with those clippers. We don't have a dog, so those are people clippers. Also, with really short hair, I have discovered a lot more area is balding.


Embrace the baldness.  Join us.  Shave it alllllll off.

Trust me, it's awesome.  Especially right when you step out of the shower.  You can feel air on practically every follicle and it's like your head is chewing super minty gum.
 
2020-10-18 9:39:04 PM  
Pfft, people got tired of it after a few weeks.

I had an idiot coworker say to me today that he thinks the virus will disappear after the election.

/I'm very introverted by nature so other than not seeing my friends in person once every two weeks or so (they are taking it even more seriously than myself), my life really hasn't changed in the slightest.
 
2020-10-18 10:07:12 PM  

SomeAmerican: August11: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

The wife and I are fortunate: we have good incomes and can work from laptops. We read a lot before this pandemic. We like to cook. We play a lot of Scrabble. We have a big garden and chickens and a sweetheart dog. So no fatigue here.

But as my wife reminds me: back up two decades and we would not be able to work from home. 500 square foot apartment. No yard. No dog. Yeah, I can see some being fatigued more than others. And I hope for them this is not the new normal. But I suspect it is.

It's probably not the new normal, no.  People and politicians haven't learned a darn thing, true.  But research on COVID-19 is progressing rapidly, treatment is getting far more effective, and promising vaccines are emerging.  Worst case eventually this WILL be just like the flu... with a lot of work done to make that happen.

But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.


Don't worry. Once Biden wins we'll blindly trust government again.
 
2020-10-18 10:08:43 PM  

H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.


No, no it wouldn't have. And you know it.
 
2020-10-18 10:10:39 PM  

soporific: Tomahawk513: Yeah no kidding. We put a ton of effort into isolating and masking and distancing so the government could have time to develop an action plan. But instead Trump and Co. called it a hoax and lashed out against the aforementioned efforts. Why go through all this trouble if it's for nothing?

I think this is one of the many factors driving the huge turnout right now. Seeing our leaders ignore and ridicule the sacrifices that everyday Americans were making was and is infuriating. Especially when those same people then catch COVID and have access to the quality of treatment they've been denying to everyone else. (Proudly denying too)

So yeah, it's dispiriting to see that. But perhaps it's motivating people to not stay on the sidelines during an election.


How is trump denying access? Thanks to him telemedicine is exploding.
 
2020-10-18 10:12:57 PM  

zgrizz: If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/1​2/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-l​eaders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movemen​t/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.


I only science when it matches my politics.
 
2020-10-18 10:15:29 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Sometimes I feel like a chump doing all this social distancing and mask wearing while some people don't seem to give a shiat.  But then sometimes I feel broke because everyone has a nicer car than me and goes on vacation all the time, but I save 30% of my salary.  I'm better off this way.  Nobody said delaying gratification was fun.


Delay it too long and you'll be too old enjoy it.
 
2020-10-18 10:21:18 PM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


*sniff* Did you eat a train?
 
2020-10-18 10:23:45 PM  

cefm: The whole goddamn thing could have been over in less than 2 months if everyone had just stayed the fark home.


Everyone would have needed two months of food. Where would that have come from?
 
2020-10-18 10:25:26 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: RussianPotato: Normal people can only maintain a state of heightened awareness for a very short period of time.

This is true. However, molding new habits takes time, and requires dedication, things Americans have no patience for. America treated Covid like a crash diet, not a lifestyle change. The urgency to change is there, but as soon as you see small results you go back to your old habits. That is not sustainable for long term with a virus that doesn't see borders, doesn't care about political affiliation or regional preferences. And the haphazard response is why we're still riding the first wave while the second wave is coming in.

If we had leadership that would reassure the masses and give support for these unusual circumstances, we may be in a better place. We have no attention span for hardship. I can't imagine Americans of today living with extended restrictions and hardship like during World War II. We'd never make it through.


It's not a lifestyle change. Temporary, sure. No way we are all wearing masks forever. 1918 proves me right.
 
2020-10-18 10:28:34 PM  

FormlessOne: Daniel Boone's Farm: I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.

I really think it is despair, you do all you can do then you see some asshole maskless for months alive while your marathon running friend dies. My wife is back to her old steadfast self but having seen it almost break her I get it.

I can sympathize.

I have spent months inside. My property is overgrown, and my barn's starting to suffer. My costs have skyrocketed because I've had my groceries delivered for months now. I go out exactly once a month, to pick up our refilled prescriptions & obtain anything that we can't have delivered. (My next trip is Tuesday, where I will go to Costco and purchase a shiatload of various meats, so I can butcher, package, and refill our chest freezer for the next 6-8 months.) I've trained my wife in sterile procedure - she's never had to deal with it before this mess.

I've spent months emailing & calling my in-laws and friends, hoping to not just help keep them healthy, but sane, too. I have spent months on Fark, trying to caution folks about what needs to be done if you're trying to keep your house reasonably free from COVID-19 risk.

In return, I've watched as one co-worker contracted it, then brought it home. He recovered relatively easily enough after quarantine; she ended up on a ventilator, but recovered after several weeks. Another co-worker may have contracted it; his contract ended, and we haven't heard anything because he didn't leave any personal contact points for us to ping. One neighbor, infirm, has lived in virtual isolation all this time - we wave at him from across the cul-de-sac when we wheel our bins to the curb. Another neighbor just threw a party last night.

I don't sleep much any more. Anxiety rides me like a loa. The thing is, I'm used to being anxious, so it's tolerable for me - it's a familiar mental illness, so I can cope. My wife isn't doing as well, so I have to keep working out ways to keep her pleasantly distracted (and with more than just the obvious one...) I worry about my stepson, who lives in a group home - we can't see him, except by curbside visit (he sits on the home's porch, we sit in the minivan, and in that way we can at least talk in person) and it's clear that the enforced isolation is getting to him as well. His caregiver's excellent, though, and we check in every two weeks (per their preferences.) My stepson's father (and a good friend) and his wife (whom I'd love to quietly strangle) may have to move from their retirement rental in Arizona because the owner went broke and sold the complex to a corporation, which just jacked up the rent beyond their ability to pay for it, so they're terrified and call & text us regularly.

All I read, hear, and see at this point makes it hard to remain positive, at least until January. It's going to be incumbent on us to keep each other sane & healthy throughout this mess, because no one else will.


Jesus, get some help.
 
2020-10-18 10:29:12 PM  

zeroman987: astelmaszek: H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.

The death rate is well below 1% right now.

I don't think 200,000 is less than 1 percent of 8 million.


Check the cfr by month...
 
2020-10-18 10:30:08 PM  

odinsposse: I'm mostly just tired of the smug idiots who want to tell you the "real" numbers and how herd immunity should work. They've got the plain idiocy of Flat Earthers crossed with the unearned arrogance of white supremacists.


I'm tired of all the smug idiots on fark talking how they science and take this seriously.
 
2020-10-18 10:40:36 PM  
I hope none of the people "getting bored" get cancer. I spent 3 years doing the same safety protocols because of chemo or my bone marrow transplant, including over half a year literally trapped in a quarantine room while they ablated my bone marrow. Sounds like they wouldn't last the first year of just chemo.
 
2020-10-18 10:57:10 PM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


Hey Paige! You're up!
 
2020-10-18 11:30:46 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Sometimes I feel like a chump doing all this social distancing and mask wearing while some people don't seem to give a shiat.  But then sometimes I feel broke because everyone has a nicer car than me and goes on vacation all the time, but I save 30% of my salary.  I'm better off this way.  Nobody said delaying gratification was fun.


Take a vacation once in awhile. Don't wait until you're retired to travel because your health may not allow it at that time. Travel can be done cheaply. We drive for trips closer than 450 miles. I pack a cooler with food for lunch, so we're usually only buying dinner while traveling. I've rented cabins with friends where the entire three day trip with a pontoon rental one of the days worked out to $150 total for everything for each person, booze and food included.
 
2020-10-18 11:45:38 PM  

ocd002: Rapmaster2000: Sometimes I feel like a chump doing all this social distancing and mask wearing while some people don't seem to give a shiat.  But then sometimes I feel broke because everyone has a nicer car than me and goes on vacation all the time, but I save 30% of my salary.  I'm better off this way.  Nobody said delaying gratification was fun.

Take a vacation once in awhile. Don't wait until you're retired to travel because your health may not allow it at that time. Travel can be done cheaply. We drive for trips closer than 450 miles. I pack a cooler with food for lunch, so we're usually only buying dinner while traveling. I've rented cabins with friends where the entire three day trip with a pontoon rental one of the days worked out to $150 total for everything for each person, booze and food included.


You are so right. Personally speaking, I feel like I can enjoy Europe a lot more in my 30 and 40s than I can when I happen to be over 70.

And I've been able to do those trips on a decent budget....use airline miles for the flights, AirBnB in certain countries, hotels when they are reasonable, and hotel points in special circumstances.
 
2020-10-19 8:12:17 AM  

2fardownthread: Ok. I get it. I am not extending your argument and I can see that you are reacting to Scorpitron telling you to shut your gob.  As you might. I do not think anybody should be lording their great numbers over others at this stage. It is a stretch to say that Scorpitron is simply wrong. Scorpitron might be wrong. I am not accusing you of cherry picking at all. I point out that the EU has shown diverse results from diverse policies. So not cherry picking, but Aggregating them, might be misleading.


Scorpitron lumped together most/all of Europe, and claimed that whole was doing better economically than the US, and I rebutted that by using the standard economic measure.  If there is some other metric that supports Scorpitron's claim, let us see it.

This is not some "BSAB" issue, and it is not "could be right, could be wrong -- must be 50/50 odds".
 
2020-10-19 8:29:40 AM  

bobbyjoebobby: Check the cfr by month...


So much this.  According to the WHO's weekly numbers for the US, mid-July peaked with 112% more new cases than the beginning of April -- but the weekly deaths peaked with 57% fewer deaths.  There is a reason that the US CDC still lists NYC, NJ, MA and CT as the places with the most COVID deaths per capita.
 
2020-10-19 9:30:27 AM  
This is kind of like going on a diet and then quitting.
The reason diets don't work is that they are not viewed as normal behavior.  Which is to say that nobody expects to continue eating so little forever, so naturally they stop eventually and relapse to prior habit, eating more, regaining the weight, and making the diet gurus happy again and again.  The way to be successful is not to diet at all, but rather to establish rigid rules of eating behavior.

We are in a phase of the pandemic where we need to move beyond temporary drastic measures to near permanent, less drastic, measures (at least for most of 2021).

DONT: abandon mask wearing and go to parties, because nobody can stay safe forever.  Resume previous lifestyle of tinder hookups and drunken weekends at bars.

DO: establish a small circle of friends you trust and engage in safe interactions with them.  Wear masks at all times indoors in public and in less open outdoor encounters. Get tested if someone you know is positive and stay isolated until in the clear.  Avoid close interactions with strangers.  Remember that, with such a contagious disease, one person can infect 1000 or more in a day without precautions.  Use video calls to stay close to family and friends. Avoid indoor dining and drinking.
 
2020-10-19 6:04:48 PM  
Say what you like about the Trump flu, it is something topical and timely for everybody on your Christmas card and gift lists.

It's just not as original as you think. People have been circulating the flu for years, centuries, since before the invention of the Solstice.
 
2020-10-19 6:07:20 PM  
If you must circulate a virus, there's always Facebook, Instagram and other vectors.

And some people will get 5G this year. Although I would distrust rumours that Warren Buffett or George Soros can circulate a biological virus via WiFi and the Internet. Only Trumpers can do that.
 
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