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(The New York Times)   The biggest danger we face as we head into our first COVID holiday season is pandemic fatigue. "People are done putting hearts on their windows and teddy bears out for scavenger hunts"   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-10-18 8:26:06 AM  
I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.

I really think it is despair, you do all you can do then you see some asshole maskless for months alive while your marathon running friend dies. My wife is back to her old steadfast self but having seen it almost break her I get it.
 
2020-10-18 8:37:38 AM  
I guarantee you're going to see a disturbing number of "Walmart Black Friday brawl sparked by maskless shopper intentionally coughing on people" stories.
 
2020-10-18 8:42:09 AM  
Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.
 
2020-10-18 9:09:38 AM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away
 
2020-10-18 9:25:55 AM  
 
2020-10-18 9:28:01 AM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


The wife and I are fortunate: we have good incomes and can work from laptops. We read a lot before this pandemic. We like to cook. We play a lot of Scrabble. We have a big garden and chickens and a sweetheart dog. So no fatigue here.

But as my wife reminds me: back up two decades and we would not be able to work from home. 500 square foot apartment. No yard. No dog. Yeah, I can see some being fatigued more than others. And I hope for them this is not the new normal. But I suspect it is.
 
2020-10-18 9:35:05 AM  
I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.
 
2020-10-18 9:35:40 AM  

August11: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

The wife and I are fortunate: we have good incomes and can work from laptops. We read a lot before this pandemic. We like to cook. We play a lot of Scrabble. We have a big garden and chickens and a sweetheart dog. So no fatigue here.

But as my wife reminds me: back up two decades and we would not be able to work from home. 500 square foot apartment. No yard. No dog. Yeah, I can see some being fatigued more than others. And I hope for them this is not the new normal. But I suspect it is.


It's probably not the new normal, no.  People and politicians haven't learned a darn thing, true.  But research on COVID-19 is progressing rapidly, treatment is getting far more effective, and promising vaccines are emerging.  Worst case eventually this WILL be just like the flu... with a lot of work done to make that happen.

But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.
 
2020-10-18 9:36:26 AM  
Yeah no kidding. We put a ton of effort into isolating and masking and distancing so the government could have time to develop an action plan. But instead Trump and Co. called it a hoax and lashed out against the aforementioned efforts. Why go through all this trouble if it's for nothing?
 
2020-10-18 9:40:00 AM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away


LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.
 
2020-10-18 9:42:56 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?
 
2020-10-18 9:43:01 AM  

iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.


That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.
 
2020-10-18 9:44:29 AM  

thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.


I should save this and set a reminder to look at it in a year.
 
2020-10-18 9:44:30 AM  

H31N0US: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

That's why therapeutics matter. There's a half dozen promising antibodies in phase 3 trials right now. There is a cheap steroid that helps in some cases. I think Remdesivir is a bust, but Gilead lobbies well.

In any case, my point is, if through a combination of treatment options we can bring the death rate down below 1%, then it really will be like the common flu. Combine that with a marginally effective vaccine, and then we're over this shiat coontil the next one).

But if we all just wore masks and hunkered down last spring, this would be over already.


That was the weirdest filter own I've seen in a while.
 
2020-10-18 9:46:24 AM  

Daniel Boone's Farm: I noticed this labor day weekend. My wife was a pandemic nut. She is all science, all the time, brilliant woman. She would wipe down ups packages, cone home from the store and wash her clothes and go straight to the shower. End of August a friend of ours got sick and then died two weeks ago. She was just as diligent and my wife wr t out to eat four times in early October for her birthday.


If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.
 
2020-10-18 9:46:37 AM  

Tomahawk513: Yeah no kidding. We put a ton of effort into isolating and masking and distancing so the government could have time to develop an action plan. But instead Trump and Co. called it a hoax and lashed out against the aforementioned efforts. Why go through all this trouble if it's for nothing?


I think this is one of the many factors driving the huge turnout right now. Seeing our leaders ignore and ridicule the sacrifices that everyday Americans were making was and is infuriating. Especially when those same people then catch COVID and have access to the quality of treatment they've been denying to everyone else. (Proudly denying too)

So yeah, it's dispiriting to see that. But perhaps it's motivating people to not stay on the sidelines during an election.
 
2020-10-18 9:47:03 AM  
Pretty much.  At the start of this we were told to quarantine for a few weeks to flatten the curve.

SomeAmerican: But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.


Shockingly all of the shady shiat that was done by various governments in the not so distant past is coming back to haunt them.  Hell will probably freeze over before many in the Black community take it after Tuskegee.  I'm in the "uhh, let the people who are at high risk go first as they need it more than, um, I do." category at the moment.
 
2020-10-18 9:48:55 AM  
This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.
 
2020-10-18 9:50:36 AM  
Gotta admit I'm getting pretty tired of the whole thing.

That does not, under any circumstances, mean I will not remain vigilant in doing my best to protect myself and others.


/But damn if I don't miss 50 cent wing Mondays and beers with friends.
 
2020-10-18 9:53:29 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Pretty much.  At the start of this we were told to quarantine for a few weeks to flatten the curve.

SomeAmerican: But I haven't seen anybody in any position to know seriously say that we'll be to normal any earlier than late next year.  Even if a vaccine was approved in Q1, it will be Q3 before it is widely distributed.  And of course for a vaccine to work, people have to trust the government enough to actually take it.

Shockingly all of the shady shiat that was done by various governments in the not so distant past is coming back to haunt them.  Hell will probably freeze over before many in the Black community take it after Tuskegee.  I'm in the "uhh, let the people who are at high risk go first as they need it more than, um, I do." category at the moment.


The problem that's gonna really be a nightmare is that there are people, especially hospital staff, that are going to be forced to make the decision between trusting that the vaccine will work and having to quit because they're mandated to take it but don't trust it. Other people will be in this boat as well, but just getting *a* vaccine will not mean it's over, not by a long shot, even if it's good - not with this many ignorant people and conspiracy nuts out there now. It's extraordinarily disheartening.
 
2020-10-18 9:53:46 AM  
If Dems would listen to real science (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/​12​/coronavirus-stanford-doctors-among-le​aders-of-global-anti-lockdown-movement​/ ), not New York Times Cuomo-kissing science, we would not have the problem we have.
 
2020-10-18 9:54:09 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.
 
2020-10-18 9:55:31 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


Turtles.  I'm afraid of turtles.

** rolls eyes **
 
2020-10-18 9:55:32 AM  
The virus is like a persistent stalker ex: you might be over it, but it's not over you.

You gotta stay frosty at all times with the virus: mask, social distance, handwashing and hand sanitizing. Get sloppy and it'll bite.

I do appreciate that different things mentally torque people in different ways. I suppose psychiatrists will be doing a booming business in this pandemic, as well as ER doctors.
 
2020-10-18 9:56:13 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


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HOW!  Dammit.
 
2020-10-18 9:56:50 AM  
Remember the early days when people thought it was just going to be like a winter storm and melt in due time while stockpiling toilet paper? Easter miracle?  Rona is now permanently with us endemically. No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.
/the groundhog emerges and gazes upon the steel gray sky
 
2020-10-18 9:57:03 AM  
Normal people can only maintain a state of heightened awareness for a very short period of time.
 
2020-10-18 9:59:07 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


I've hacked some of the length off of mine, but when it comes to giving it any sort of shape, I'm hopeless.
 
2020-10-18 10:02:11 AM  

berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.


Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.
 
2020-10-18 10:02:29 AM  

not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.


The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out
 
2020-10-18 10:02:50 AM  
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2020-10-18 10:03:45 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


The media feeds the bad news. Not just the pandemic, but every news "story" is negative. Turn it off.
 
2020-10-18 10:03:47 AM  
Oh you're tired of it? How special and unique. I'm definitely not tired of it. But I guess what better time to give up than 3  months before the first vaccine is approved?
 
2020-10-18 10:04:06 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


You sound like me, except i don't work from home.

Solution to hair issue:

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2020-10-18 10:04:15 AM  
Sometimes I feel like a chump doing all this social distancing and mask wearing while some people don't seem to give a shiat.  But then sometimes I feel broke because everyone has a nicer car than me and goes on vacation all the time, but I save 30% of my salary.  I'm better off this way.  Nobody said delaying gratification was fun.
 
2020-10-18 10:05:11 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.

The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out


Publix is selling a 24 pack for $9.99. I have two.
 
2020-10-18 10:06:29 AM  

RussianPotato: berylman: No one except Trump wished herd immunity but this is what we get from abnegation of responsibility and gross public negligence and broadcasting that everything is just fine.

Cool story, Bro.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do what Europe did, you know, shut down everything, completely destroy the economy even moreso.  And just look at how well they're doing!

*looks at chart of deaths/cases per capita*

Oh, that's right, even the countries that went overboard in Europe are right where America is now.


This is why our company has only let a few people back into their USA offices and has been enforcing large separations between workers and masks at all times.  They've seen how it worked to save lives in Europe and business has continued almost at pre-pandemic levels.  I don't think work-from-home will exist long after it's safe to be in crowds again, but as long as consumers have money, the world economy keeps on going.
 
2020-10-18 10:07:07 AM  
And when they get tired of it, the holidays will be right around the corner. Nothing like "taking a little break from the stress" for a big family dinner.

The virus does not care at all what day it is, how long you've been stressed, or if you totally swear you've been really good in wearing a mask. It does not care. It's goal is to find new hosts and reproduce.

I'm an accountant and I understand this crap. It's not hard. Thanksgiving is possible with precautions. Maybe do small groups of people in various rooms during meals and everyone wear a mask for community time afterwards. Or maybe spread it out to a couple of days, and serve chicken instead of turkey to ease cooking. Or everyone eats at home with a big group video chat.

These are not insurmountable obstacles. They just require being slightly inconvenienced to save lives of people you care about.
 
2020-10-18 10:09:02 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


Cut your own. Early in his life, Keith Richards got a bad hair cut and cut his own from then on.
 
2020-10-18 10:12:56 AM  
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2020-10-18 10:18:26 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: not enough beer: This is one of Trump's biggest failures in the pandemic was. When we we entered "lockdown" every single expert I read was saying we needed to have a plan for exiting because what we were and are doing was not sustainable. Here was are seven months later with really no plan and our current strategy well isn't sustainable. It's absolutely farked up in every way possible.

The intent was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals.  It appears to have worked.

With Fall here I expect lockdowns to come back.

And dammit, I went shopping yesterday and forgot to buy TP.  Almost out


Would it surprise me. Except a big part of the plan was to set up contact tracing as well. We failed royally at that.
 
2020-10-18 10:19:22 AM  
Hey everyone. Good god is this fatigue a real thing and it's good to read these comments. Like some of you, my wife and I are really fortunate to both be able to work from home, we're not dead broke, we have a good yard with a garden and hobbies, and we were naturally shut-ins anyway. But yeah, the stress of every interaction in a grocery store, people not wearing their mask the way you want them to, wiping down the tops of beers that come in 6 packs, keeping a mental inventory of what your hands have touched, watching other people give up and act carelessly, watching the constant stream of conflicting disinformation on the news and beginning to question my basic understanding of science, watching the damn news in general, not traveling, watching other people travel, and on and on and on. I realize that in the grand scheme of things these are small, minuscule sacrifices. I know that we have it better, even in the midst of a pandemic, than at anytime in history. Knowing we have all of this privilege and it still sucking so bad is just one more of the things that sucks. I'm tired of it.
But I'm still going to wear my mask, over my goddamned nose, and avoid crowds as much as possible and wash my hands when I get home.
 
2020-10-18 10:21:09 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

go get a haircut fool, what are you afraid of?


drowning in blood
 
2020-10-18 10:23:50 AM  
Jeebus Saves: If she was all science, she wouldn't be doing any of that.

You need to be specific. The three (3) precautions described by the Boobies were recommended under the advisory quarantine I observed from February thru June when my school was reopened.

The Boobies is likely a personal and factual anecdote about a spouse being as careful as possible while your post dismisses an innocent framing of the three precautions as having a basis in science...

The Boobies is useful information about what others do and have done and is relevant to a discussion about how that produces a fatigue over time when other people ignore behaviors that mitigate advancing COVID-19.

Your dismissal provides no basis for what "science" has or has not recommended. It's a naked assertion. And smartied several times, your dismissal persuades to any who read this thread that such useful information is misguided or incorrect, but without your stating how or why.

Please Be Specific: How are the three procedures described not mitigating behaviors to avoid contracting COVID-19?
 
2020-10-18 10:23:52 AM  
Indoor dining is back in my state. I ate fries in a Runza. Everyone was wearing masks.
 
2020-10-18 10:23:58 AM  
RussianPotato:

Public policy is a walking a tightrope on this issue. No one wants to see everything shut down nor do they want to risk further spread. It's an intricate matter. Hey wait a sec...why am I responding to Vladimir?
 
2020-10-18 10:24:34 AM  

Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.


I say go for it. If you screw up then it's other peoples' problem. Just avoid mirrors and wear hats.
 
2020-10-18 10:25:21 AM  

thealgorerhythm: whyRpeoplesostupid: iheartscotch: Pandemic Fatigue? You realize that there is a possibility that they never come up with a long lasting vaccine, right? This could be the new normal.

even if everyone started wearing a mask tomorrow and we got a working vaccine in April, going maskless is more than a year away

LOL America is going maskless right now.

We've never engaged in the prophylactic behaviors we should because Republicans refuse to tell people to act responsibly, refuse to fund the supports it would require.

Those of us who do are part are statistically better off but not invulnerable, but these free rider assholes just keep things festering.


looking more and more like sweden was right 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-he​a​lth-coronavirus-sweden-cases-idUSKBN26​M63D
 
2020-10-18 10:27:11 AM  
I really want to start working out at the gym  again, but Maryland is heading in the wrong direction (not just an increase in cases due to testing but a higher %positive and increasing hospitalizations.  I need a job.  I'm tired of the insanity that has been normalized in this country (eg, the federal government literally confiscated PPE to sell it back to the states or foreign entities.  Exactly how f*cked up that is should never fade).  I started drinking again after two years quit and while I'd prefer cannabis, I have to get a job first because heaven forbid I smoke some grass before doing yoga.

I'm just sick of the idiocy, the insanity, all of it.
 
2020-10-18 10:27:19 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Gramma: I'm sick of it and I work from home and am naturally unsociable anyway.
The constant vigilance and drumbeat of bad news is wearing on me.

Also, I need  a haircut so badly that I'm eyeing the dog clippers with bad intent.

After four attempts in seven months I think I finally figured out who to cut my own hair.   I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year.   Big Haircut won't get another dime from me.


I've lucked out over haircuts since I learned to cut my own hair over two years ago. I bought Wahl clippers and a big handheld mirror. I made mistakes, but now I'm good enough to do a decent job.

The tougher part I learned was how to shave my head bald. As in, after the clippers has taken most of my hair off, I use a double edge razor to go down to the skin. It's kind of liberating to say, "Fark it" and go for a new look.

Remember, YouTube is your friend. You can find tons of videos on how to cut your own hair.
 
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