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6 days ago  
You say that like having your own working robot suit is a bad thing...
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
Yes, but do they wear Reeboks?
 
6 days ago  
Someone is going to be surprised when they find out what the word ",robot" means.
 
6 days ago  
No love for gears of war?
 
6 days ago  

cretinbob: Someone is going to be surprised when they find out what the word ",robot" means.


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Fun fact: in Russian, you can't spell the word 'to work' without the Russian words for slave or robot!
 
6 days ago  

strife: cretinbob: Someone is going to be surprised when they find out what the word ",robot" means.

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Fun fact: in Russian, you can't spell the word 'to work' without the Russian words for slave or robot!


Another fun fact: The robots in the play R.U.R , where we get the meaning we know today, were clones, not mechanical
 
6 days ago  
Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"
 
6 days ago  

kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"


The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"

The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!


I work in an industry that's implementing AI.  It is not taking jobs, per se.  It's taking over repetitive, redundant tasks so we (humans) can focus on the important stuff.  AI is not this magic, wonderful cure-all everyone thinks.  It has flaws and limitations.  It's very good at what we call "removing work from the process".
 
6 days ago  
It's not so much young workers shunning it, around here at least, it's the old farts screwing over youngsters at every opportunity to make room for their useless kids. Who then wind up being busted for meth and bath salts after the first paycheck, then a new crop of young faces come in to get screwed over by the fifty year old drunks who are pissed that they had to pay bail for their useless kids. It's a horrific circle of union/hiring gone wrong.
 
6 days ago  

Bluenosed Baker: It's not so much young workers shunning it, around here at least, it's the old farts screwing over youngsters at every opportunity to make room for their useless kids. Who then wind up being busted for meth and bath salts after the first paycheck, then a new crop of young faces come in to get screwed over by the fifty year old drunks who are pissed that they had to pay bail for their useless kids. It's a horrific circle of union/hiring gone wrong.


Whoa..!
Can we just show a little respect for the overpaid CEO who is entitled to 300 - 400 his lowest wage employee...
Because he is the guy that came up with the idea to eliminate people to save money?

Let's not give ALL the credit to unions for eliminating jobs...
 
6 days ago  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"

The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!

I work in an industry that's implementing AI.  It is not taking jobs, per se.  It's taking over repetitive, redundant tasks so we (humans) can focus on the important stuff.  AI is not this magic, wonderful cure-all everyone thinks.  It has flaws and limitations.  It's very good at what we call "removing work from the process".


That sounds just like something a robot would say!
 
6 days ago  

HighOnCraic: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"

The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!

I work in an industry that's implementing AI.  It is not taking jobs, per se.  It's taking over repetitive, redundant tasks so we (humans) can focus on the important stuff.  AI is not this magic, wonderful cure-all everyone thinks.  It has flaws and limitations.  It's very good at what we call "removing work from the process".

That sounds just like something a robot would say!


I award you +1 funny for that :)
 
6 days ago  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"

The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!

I work in an industry that's implementing AI.  It is not taking jobs, per se.  It's taking over repetitive, redundant tasks so we (humans) can focus on the important stuff.  AI is not this magic, wonderful cure-all everyone thinks.  It has flaws and limitations.  It's very good at what we call "removing work from the process".


Watch PBSs Frontline: In  the age of AI.

Many in the field are saying the opposite.
Tectonic change

This time its different
 
6 days ago  

HighOnCraic: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"

The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!

I work in an industry that's implementing AI.  It is not taking jobs, per se.  It's taking over repetitive, redundant tasks so we (humans) can focus on the important stuff.  AI is not this magic, wonderful cure-all everyone thinks.  It has flaws and limitations.  It's very good at what we call "removing work from the process".

That sounds just like something a robot would say!


Check out PBSs Frontline: in the age of AI

Its on youtube and PBS website

Those in the industry are saying some disturbing things abt AI and automation.
 
6 days ago  

1funguy: Bluenosed Baker: It's not so much young workers shunning it, around here at least, it's the old farts screwing over youngsters at every opportunity to make room for their useless kids. Who then wind up being busted for meth and bath salts after the first paycheck, then a new crop of young faces come in to get screwed over by the fifty year old drunks who are pissed that they had to pay bail for their useless kids. It's a horrific circle of union/hiring gone wrong.

Whoa..!
Can we just show a little respect for the overpaid CEO who is entitled to 300 - 400 his lowest wage employee...
Because he is the guy that came up with the idea to eliminate people to save money?

Let's not give ALL the credit to unions for eliminating jobs...


Automation/robots and AI are the ones eliminating jobs.

And the lazy sit at home stock owners are the ones who will reap the rewards.
 
6 days ago  
Is it like the time an employee got into a forklift and became a human truck? Cuz that is some super dumb logic, article writer.
 
6 days ago  
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this factory worker got creative
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
You have to learn to work with your cybernetic overlords.


AUTOMATICA - Robots Vs. Music - Nigel Stanford
Youtube bAdqazixuRY


Lead, follow, or stay out of the way.
 
6 days ago  

Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"

The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!


If a job can be analyzed down to specific actions and decisions, it can be programmed. If it can be programmed, a robot can be taught to do it.
 
6 days ago  

Linux_Yes: 1funguy: Bluenosed Baker: It's not so much young workers shunning it, around here at least, it's the old farts screwing over youngsters at every opportunity to make room for their useless kids. Who then wind up being busted for meth and bath salts after the first paycheck, then a new crop of young faces come in to get screwed over by the fifty year old drunks who are pissed that they had to pay bail for their useless kids. It's a horrific circle of union/hiring gone wrong.

Whoa..!
Can we just show a little respect for the overpaid CEO who is entitled to 300 - 400 his lowest wage employee...
Because he is the guy that came up with the idea to eliminate people to save money?

Let's not give ALL the credit to unions for eliminating jobs...

Automation/robots and AI are the ones eliminating jobs.

And the lazy sit at home stock owners are the ones who will reap the rewards.


Yes, you are correct.

It is almost guaranteed we will have to adapt/adopt some guaranteed income within the next 50 years. Technology is advancing in 1/10 the time it takes to train pay at home / stay at home job holders.
 
6 days ago  
So here we are debating and wondering what is going on and what is next. The Frontline special was aired over a year ago, and I remember it as being behind the curve even then.

Look. This is just happening. If anything the pace is increasing. Trying to raise minimum wages and holding on to jobs is probably not going to help much. You can find examples every day.

Yesterday, I spent some time listening to a guy who talks way too much. He described a sandwich shop he worked at near ColoState University. OK. So he was cheap college labor. A sandwich shop. So he talked about how, during rushes, there would be guys plural running toasters, people taking orders, people making sandwiches. What. SIx people per shift? Is that 20 people working at a sandwich shop? Schedule them. Pay their taxes. Give them breaks. Insurance. Banks. Vendors. etc. A sandwich shop. And maybe the owner is getting rich. Who knows. The employees all goofed around a lot when it was not busy.

But that business is literally bleeding money. Cut the number of employees in half and you have a veritable gold mine. You cut the drama to about zero. Quality control soars. Liability and probability of human error plummet.

In Japan, you find the equivalent of an IHOP humming along with four employees, including the manager. Sushi shops with 60 tables being run full tilt with about 7 employees.

And the pay is pretty good. Employee skills go UP, not down. Managers treat employees better.

So the point is that this is progressing. It is not necessarily a bad thing. And it makes total sense. 20 years from now, people will wonder why anyone would want to run a sandwich shop with 20 employees. Humans have better things to do.
 
6 days ago  

Linux_Yes: 1funguy: Bluenosed Baker: It's not so much young workers shunning it, around here at least, it's the old farts screwing over youngsters at every opportunity to make room for their useless kids. Who then wind up being busted for meth and bath salts after the first paycheck, then a new crop of young faces come in to get screwed over by the fifty year old drunks who are pissed that they had to pay bail for their useless kids. It's a horrific circle of union/hiring gone wrong.

Whoa..!
Can we just show a little respect for the overpaid CEO who is entitled to 300 - 400 his lowest wage employee...
Because he is the guy that came up with the idea to eliminate people to save money?

Let's not give ALL the credit to unions for eliminating jobs...

Automation/robots and AI are the ones eliminating jobs.

And the lazy sit at home stock owners are the ones who will reap the rewards.


There are non-luddite, non-communist solutions. Very very simply, tax policy has to be examined very closely and implemented. Labor laws need to be followed. That's it. All of the policy apparatus as it is now can handle a transition to more AI, but taxes MUST be more progressive because the gains to capital are going to increase. Labor laws do not have to be very stringent, but there has to be a line in the sand on some issues, and at least a minimum wage.

Because of declining population in Japan, this is a national initiative, and nobody complains that business owners are getting rich from it. AI is being adopted to maintain a way of life, not change it. As wages go up, productivity has to increase too. My take on American capitalism is that 90% of the problem is the particular flavor of capitalist there, and the rest is dysfunctional government. Capitalism itself? Probably still better than the alternatives.
 
6 days ago  

1funguy: It is almost guaranteed we will have to adapt/adopt some guaranteed income within the next 50 years.


It's either that or culling the population on an almost unimaginable scale. So far the decision is still too close to call.
 
6 days ago  

strife: cretinbob: Someone is going to be surprised when they find out what the word ",robot" means.

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Fun fact: in Russian, you can't spell the word 'to work' without the Russian words for slave or robot!


Kraftwerk 3D - The Robots (Live) HD
Youtube a3TizRqvdsk
 
6 days ago  

2fardownthread: Linux_Yes: 1funguy: Bluenosed Baker: It's not so much young workers shunning it, around here at least, it's the old farts screwing over youngsters at every opportunity to make room for their useless kids. Who then wind up being busted for meth and bath salts after the first paycheck, then a new crop of young faces come in to get screwed over by the fifty year old drunks who are pissed that they had to pay bail for their useless kids. It's a horrific circle of union/hiring gone wrong.

Whoa..!
Can we just show a little respect for the overpaid CEO who is entitled to 300 - 400 his lowest wage employee...
Because he is the guy that came up with the idea to eliminate people to save money?

Let's not give ALL the credit to unions for eliminating jobs...

Automation/robots and AI are the ones eliminating jobs.

And the lazy sit at home stock owners are the ones who will reap the rewards.

There are non-luddite, non-communist solutions. Very very simply, tax policy has to be examined very closely and implemented. Labor laws need to be followed. That's it. All of the policy apparatus as it is now can handle a transition to more AI, but taxes MUST be more progressive because the gains to capital are going to increase. Labor laws do not have to be very stringent, but there has to be a line in the sand on some issues, and at least a minimum wage.

Because of declining population in Japan, this is a national initiative, and nobody complains that business owners are getting rich from it. AI is being adopted to maintain a way of life, not change it. As wages go up, productivity has to increase too. My take on American capitalism is that 90% of the problem is the particular flavor of capitalist there, and the rest is dysfunctional government. Capitalism itself? Probably still better than the alternatives.


the irony is that even though productivity has gone thru the roof over the last 30 years, Real Wages have been nearly flat. all those productivity gains have gone to stock owners and the 1%.

84% of all company stock in Murca is owned by the richest 10%.

this has greatly contributed to the wealth gap getting wider with time between the top few percent and everyone else.

as more and more goes to the top, the rest have to struggle more and more producing instability and strife.

the only thing that has made this nation great in the past was a thriving, healthy middle class. that large healthy middle class also gave us a reliable stock market without as much volitility.


the middle class is folding into the poor class as time goes on.   Murca has been circling the drain since the start of all this in the reagan 80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZnuc​-​Fv_Tc (SFW)
 
6 days ago  
I'm sure they're not recording from a camera and monitoring the suit to collect data to train ai to do the job.
 
6 days ago  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: 1funguy: It is almost guaranteed we will have to adapt/adopt some guaranteed income within the next 50 years.

It's either that or culling the population on an almost unimaginable scale. So far the decision is still too close to call.


Shhhh...
You're not supposed to say that out loud!
Qanon might be listening...
 
6 days ago  
So are we getting closer to Robot Jox? With japan building that giant gundam I see a new betting avenue approaching.
 
6 days ago  
Yeah, this exoskeleton thing is not "robots". Not only that, these can make jobs safer. They debuted one here in Salt Lake at the Raytheon lab a few years back, Agent Colson actually did a demo. The idea is that these can be used for loading ordnance onto planes, one person, rather than 2-3 people, a hand truck, and all of the potential issues that can occur as you add more people to an operation.

And then there are the ones that help people who can't walk be able to walk again. These aren't all about screwing people over, they're also about making the workplace safer and helping people.
 
6 days ago  
"As employees age and younger people shun the idea of working on a factory production line companies refuse to decent wages to starting workers, car companies are looking at ways to lighten the load."

FTFThem
 
6 days ago  
Corporations use humans, cause it is cheaper than robots

Still waiting on a fully automated fast food joint
 
6 days ago  

Linux_Yes: 2fardownthread: Linux_Yes: 1funguy: Bluenosed Baker: It's not so much young workers shunning it, around here at least, it's the old farts screwing over youngsters at every opportunity to make room for their useless kids. Who then wind up being busted for meth and bath salts after the first paycheck, then a new crop of young faces come in to get screwed over by the fifty year old drunks who are pissed that they had to pay bail for their useless kids. It's a horrific circle of union/hiring gone wrong.

Whoa..!
Can we just show a little respect for the overpaid CEO who is entitled to 300 - 400 his lowest wage employee...
Because he is the guy that came up with the idea to eliminate people to save money?

Let's not give ALL the credit to unions for eliminating jobs...

Automation/robots and AI are the ones eliminating jobs.

And the lazy sit at home stock owners are the ones who will reap the rewards.

There are non-luddite, non-communist solutions. Very very simply, tax policy has to be examined very closely and implemented. Labor laws need to be followed. That's it. All of the policy apparatus as it is now can handle a transition to more AI, but taxes MUST be more progressive because the gains to capital are going to increase. Labor laws do not have to be very stringent, but there has to be a line in the sand on some issues, and at least a minimum wage.

Because of declining population in Japan, this is a national initiative, and nobody complains that business owners are getting rich from it. AI is being adopted to maintain a way of life, not change it. As wages go up, productivity has to increase too. My take on American capitalism is that 90% of the problem is the particular flavor of capitalist there, and the rest is dysfunctional government. Capitalism itself? Probably still better than the alternatives.

the irony is that even though productivity has gone thru the roof over the last 30 years, Real Wages have been nearly flat. all those productivity gains have gon ...


Absolutely all true. I wont question any of it.

So I repeat. America's problem is with its capitalists. Other countries have problems, but the US working class is being driven into the ground. Capitalism and robots are just systems and tools. They can be abused. But other countries are getting along ok with them. The US needs to use the systems is has better, or it needs to find better systems and reform itself to emulate them.

And here is where I make a bold statement that I have thought a lot about.

If the US could import the Japanese social, management and political systems 100%, it would be a jarring and difficult experience, but the US would be better off overall. I have pretty good knowledge of how both systems work, and I am almost certain it will NEVER HAPPEN. But if it did, the US would be the better for it because a lot of learning would be involved. A lot of change.

OK. So someone hates Japan. Whatever. Look. What I want to say is that the US needs to look around at how other societies are dealing with problems. Just like COVID19. There are good practices and bad practices all over the world. If the US is defective, it is just dumb to assume that everyone else is too.

In the 1990s, James Fallows wrote a book called MORE LIKE US, where he touted the wonderful American spirit and the exceptionalism that makes America GREAT. OK. Nice guy. I get it. Patriot and all that. More recently, in 2016, James Fallows predicted that Trump would never ever be president not in a million years. So obviously, as smart as he is and with all his experience, he has lost the plot. Something is broken. Corporate corruption, failing institutions, political chaos. No. The US does not need to be more like America. The US needs to be MORE LIKE SOMETHING ELSE.

No capitalism is not the problem. Democracy is not the problem. Liberalism is not the problem.

Start the revolution. But maybe before you do it, look at where capitalism democracy and liberalism have succeeded. It might not be ideal, but Japan has not surrendered ANY OF THOSE PRINCIPLES and it has embraced peace and care for the welfare of its people as guiding principles. America could do worse than the Japanese model.

If Biden wins and America decides not to go back to business as usual, I recommend that it look closely at all the laboratories of democracy that have been cooking since WWII. They have come up with some good practices.

REF:  From MIchael Moore... What country should we invade next? Is a good introduction to the idea.
 
5 days ago  

kkinnison: Corporations use humans, cause it is cheaper than robots

Still waiting on a fully automated fast food joint


They are coming. And you are precisely right that as long as humans are cheap, business owners will use people. Grudgingly. Because people are a pain.

But that fact also means that for anything that is higher value added, production will go offshore. Robots, rather than being the enemy of labor, MIGHT be a way to keep higher value added jobs in a country. I am not sure that is true, but it might be true. I do know that companies chase cheap labor all over the world. Robots can stop that trend.
 
5 days ago  
Repair and maintenance of robots seems like an exciting and fast-growing field.
 
5 days ago  

Nurglitch: Repair and maintenance of robots seems like an exciting and fast-growing field.


Better hop on that or AI if you want to stay employed.

Giggle
 
5 days ago  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: Exactly. Robots don't need to be taking our jobs.

I can already hear, "They took our jobs!"

The number one reason for disappearing jobs is automation/robots. AI is taking white collar jobs too.

Outsourcing overseas is only about 20% of it.

Immigrants even less than that.

Have a nice day!

I work in an industry that's implementing AI.  It is not taking jobs, per se.  It's taking over repetitive, redundant tasks so we (humans) can focus on the important stuff.  AI is not this magic, wonderful cure-all everyone thinks.  It has flaws and limitations.  It's very good at what we call "removing work from the process".


I also work in an Industry that implementing AI. It's creating jobs.

For lawyers.

Because most of what is expensive about "work from the process" is cheap compared to what happens if shoddy work gets into your supply chain.

If your business is making 80,000,000 of the same widget, AI isn't really going to help you much. If the product can't be replicated on an industrial scale, THERE IS A REASON IT CANNOT. If your product is curated information, the value is not having 80,000,000 records full of line noise.

If your business is NOT volume, AI also doesn't help. AI sucks at prototyping. It sucks at quality control. It sucks. The only virtue is that you aren't paying a human to do the work. What you do get to pay for is someone to build the AI, someone to constantly check the AI's work, and someone to clean up after the AI farks things up.

Which sounds like a bargain, until you set the thing loose of a few million units of your widget and discover it's made them all wrong.
 
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