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2020-10-18 12:43:21 AM  
DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me
 
2020-10-18 12:51:01 AM  
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2020-10-18 12:53:03 AM  

darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me


DS9 grew on me in reruns. It was a nice bridge away from entirely episodic problems that Voyager could never make up their minds about.

As to subby's original question Shades of Gray - it's one of those clip episodes they used to make when they ran out of budget.
 
2020-10-18 1:08:16 AM  
I'm currently falling to sleep to the Star Trek channel on Pluto so I'm getting a kick
 
2020-10-18 1:14:30 AM  
Or you could eliminate the middleman: 

Star Trek The Next Generation Bridge Sounds for Sleep or Studying White Noise
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2020-10-18 1:17:28 AM  
TNG had its moments.  Most folks remember 'The Measure of a Man'.

Damn good episode, but I'd like to see some recognition for 'Frame of Mind.  *That* one was practically an episode of The Prisoner.
 
2020-10-18 2:02:17 AM  
TNG is the most overrated Trek series

DS9 is the best.

Enterprise is the worst

/Voyager had only one really good character, the EMH, which does put it above Enterprise
 
2020-10-18 2:38:57 AM  

darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me


Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise
 
2020-10-18 2:42:07 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise


DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all
 
2020-10-18 2:45:32 AM  

cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise

DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all


addendum

Voyager had a shiat execution, yes. But the actors they cast could actually act. Well, except for Chakotay, but no one likes talking about him.

In Enterprise the captain and the engineer were supposedly best friends. But Bakula and Trinneer had 0 chemistry.
 
2020-10-18 3:04:02 AM  

cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise

DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all


Are we sure Guinan was never a captain? Because she stabbed him with a fork.
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2020-10-18 3:05:37 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise

DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all

Are we sure Guinan was never a captain? Because she stabbed him with a fork.
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Be that as it may, Q at that time was just like anyone else. When Sisko knocked him over, Q was all-powerful and coulda squished him like a bug
 
2020-10-18 3:25:51 AM  

cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise

DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all

Are we sure Guinan was never a captain? Because she stabbed him with a fork.
[Fark user image 820x616]

Be that as it may, Q at that time was just like anyone else. When Sisko knocked him over, Q was all-powerful and coulda squished him like a bug


Yeah, I don't get what people find badass about punching someone who lets you punch him because you're so pathetically puny. It wasn't even Sisko's idea, he's just easily goaded.
 
2020-10-18 3:38:08 AM  
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2020-10-18 5:07:05 AM  

darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me


That's about as controversial as saying Football is my favorite sport to watch. You will find people to disagree with you, but the overwhelming majority of Star Trek fans share your opinion. At least ones who discuss ranking and shiat.
 
2020-10-18 5:10:14 AM  

darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me


I love DS9 but Season 3 just annoys me.

You introduce this spooky new alpha villain at the end of S2 in The Dominion, and kick off with a 2-parter.... and then what? The rest of the season falls back into episodic hell and everyone just goes about the station as if nothing's happened. "Here's another ep where O'Brien gets abused. Don't worry, he'll be fine and PTSD-free by the next ep".

Sure there are a couple eps about The Dominion and some characters talk about them occasionally, but it feels like an entire season of filler. The only character who showed any growth was Nog.
 
2020-10-18 5:30:23 AM  

cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise

DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all


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2020-10-18 5:31:00 AM  

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2020-10-18 6:25:55 AM  
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2020-10-18 7:08:31 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise

DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all

Are we sure Guinan was never a captain? Because she stabbed him with a fork.
[Fark user image 820x616]

Be that as it may, Q at that time was just like anyone else. When Sisko knocked him over, Q was all-powerful and coulda squished him like a bug

Yeah, I don't get what people find badass about punching someone who lets you punch him because you're so pathetically puny. It wasn't even Sisko's idea, he's just easily goaded.


Could we just agree on one thing, that Steve Guttenberg has more talent than Bakula?
 
7 days ago  

cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: cman: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me

Meh. They all have some great episodes and characters, some mediocre episodes and characters, and some garbage episodes and characters. DS9's ratio isn't much different from TNG or TOS from what I recall.

DS9 was a second-rate Babylon 5, which was okay for a change of pace, but the omission of star trekking was a bit more glaring in the Star Trek version.

/Voyager is the worst ST because it's the worthless execution of an excellent premise

DS9 had Sisko

Sisko punched Q

Therefore Sisko is the best captain of them all

Are we sure Guinan was never a captain? Because she stabbed him with a fork.
[Fark user image 820x616]

Be that as it may, Q at that time was just like anyone else. When Sisko knocked him over, Q was all-powerful and coulda squished him like a bug

Yeah, I don't get what people find badass about punching someone who lets you punch him because you're so pathetically puny. It wasn't even Sisko's idea, he's just easily goaded.

Could we just agree on one thing, that Steve Guttenberg has more talent than Bakula?


Found the Stonecutter.
 
7 days ago  
Oh, is it popular to hate TNG now? I guess I missed the memo.
 
7 days ago  
Hi!
I really like TNG and DS9 and TOS and Picard and Discovery and even ALL the movies.

Rawr.
 
7 days ago  
I've been watching Voyager again lately. Mostly just for Neelix.
 
7 days ago  
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6 days ago  

darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me


It's better then TNG for sleeping. On the one hand, TNG has Picard voice, which is calm and soothing. But when the next episode pops up, the annoying and loud intro song wakes you. DS9 intro song doesn't have that jarring feel.
 
6 days ago  

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6 days ago  
Need help sleeping?

You can watch DS9 and turn it into a drinking game.

Take a shot whenever someone says the word "promenade"

You'll be out like a light within 10 minutes
 
6 days ago  
Some points to make -

As a prelude, I love ~85% of Star Trek. I know that sometimes I come off as a bit of a asshole about it, but it's more in reaction to the problems in production, execution and storytelling.

1) Anyone remember when DS9 was first announced and the beginning episodes aired? Or did just a little research? Tons of armchair critics were using the phrase "it's not star trek" to describe it, and the ratings truly suffered. A number of great episodes came out of the first couple seasons; 'Duet' (Nana Visitor and Harris Yulin were acting circles around each other in that one, it was a sight to behold), 'A Man Alone' just to name a couple. Only be sheer force of will did the show really survive the first couple of seasons. Mostly because TNG was still on the air, and people were marginally interested. Plus up until 'Lower Decks', DS9 had the best series opener of all ST series. DS9 surely did have a number of problematic episodes for sure; 'Profit and Lace' (which manages to insult transgendered people, humor, and basic humanity in so many ways), 'Let He Who is Without Sin', where EVERYONE in the three main plots in the story are complete assholes. FFS Jadzia takes Worf to Risa to talk about their relationship, and she biatches when Worf wants to talk about their relationship.

2) The phrase "it's not star trek" was even used to describe TNG when it first came out. It was not "star trek" because the original crew was not involved. TNG got markedly better when Season 3 came around, because Gene's involvement was reduced, Maurice Hurley was thankfully fired, Pulaski was sent down a turbolift shaft (that character was a DISASTER, full farking stop. I don't care that she was made to be the new 'Bones', she was nothing short of complete racist towards Data), they stopped recycling old stories from the 60's and 70's, and went with a more modern (for the time) aesthetic and writing style. Wesley's involvement was also reduced, which helped a LOT. There were still a handful of hold-over stories from the earlier pompous era of TNG, but they were cleaned up for the most part.  Back to S1 - why was the planet of black people a bunch of savages that kidnapped Yar (and Picard farking placates them), but the planet of white people were all innocent, gorgeous, and sexually promiscuous? That's what I infer as "bad writing"; but that phrase is thrown around so much that it's lost all it's meaning. Ugh... early TNG. The episode where the guest star was this arrogant master of strategy, and HE was the one that needed to be "brought down a peg or two"? The cognitive dissonance required to even write such a episode is truly wondrous.

3) "Gene's vision", yes, having a properly successful future for humanity where our worlds problems are solved is an absolutely wonderful thing, and yes, it is something that we should all work for. Also regarding TOS, in reality: at the time in history, seeing a black woman working communications on the bridge, an Asian-American at the helm, and a Russian (by way of Chicago) as navigator was "too SJW" for a lot of folks, and therefore the show got a shiatty timeslot, and only after the revolutions of the late 60's and 70's did the reruns of the show *really* start affecting people in the positive way. There were a large number of fans and a letter writing campaign to get a 3rd season, but the truth is... S3 of TOS was not great. 'And the Children Shall Lead' in particular stands out as truly awful.

4) As said, DS9 barely survived the first couple of seasons. The show needed to bring in new blood, change things up, and make something of the wonderful cast they have. Bringing Worf in, having the Klingons go back to an aggressive/expansionist power, and breaking the alliance was a HUGE change. Season 4 is considered the 'high water mark' for many DS9 fans. Though seasons 5 through 7 would feature some of the best Trek ever produced, season 4 was consistently great and *really* put character forward.

5) Voyager, Voyager, Voyager. Well, where to start. First off, while I get that it is very difficult to produce 20+ episodes a year and keep things consistent, by the Gods this show from week to week was like watching someone with a dissociative disorder. FFS, one week the ship comes across a shiny new anomaly that dumps tons of data about "this area of space" into the memory banks of the ship, and the following episode, the crew bemoans the fact that they know nothing about "this area of space". Either the episodes were aired out of order, the writers didn't give a flying fark-all, or they didn't know what the hell they were doing. Neelix was supposed to be the breakout character? I read that after the fact and I literally was laughing so loud that my neighbors knocked on the door to see if I was okay. Neelix' best episode was the one where he left(no, really it was actually a good episode). Jettisoning Kes was another bad move (shoulda got rid of Kim, and I already know why they didn't), because having a crew with two gorgeous blondes (and a primarily 14-34 yr old male demographic) was just a horrible idea. "Wrote themselves into a corner", what a bunch of bullshiat. Earlier in the SAME DAMN SERIES did they find a bunch of Ocampa that were in their freakin' teens, and looked only a little older than Kes. Oh and she's a freakin' space Psion that can use telekinesis and shown to control her form (Fury, but that was a whole different set of problems). Then there was Janeway; while I am ecstatic that a woman was captaining a crew for an entire series (not just in passing like we saw in the other series), I don't think she was a particularly good captain. This has NOTHING to do with the character gender, just what we saw Janeway do on screen. The Maquis crew that was supposed to bring tension? Basically they were assimilated into the Starfleet crew by the 3rd act. Hell DS9 did more with the Maquis than Voyager ever did, and they were created *for* Voyager.

6) The complete failure of Enterprise can be summed up in three words:  "Berman" "and" "Braga". I'd watch "Threshold" 50 times in a row before watching "A Night in Sickbay" or "Dear Doctor". At least "Threshold" had parts of a good episode in it. The main contributions from the crew diversity is a Korean woman (but Japanese on screen...) who was scared of everything, and a black guy whose job it was to say "I've been in space!", and get killed a couple times. Oh and how the fark does the chief engineer Tripp get drugged, raped (yes by our definition he was farking raped), give birth to a baby, and the kid live with it's "mother" (for lack of a better term) because "only the "mother" contributes genetic material" just get hand-waved away AND played for farking laughs? Who the fark rubber-stamped this shiat? Oh... and 'A Night in Sickbay', where the captain is shown as an arrogant, self-righteous, sexually repressed nincompoop whose job this episode was to tell someone to do something, and then yell/biatch at them for following his orders? Oh and yelling at the doctor who is trying his best to save the farking dog at that exact moment? The doctor should have thrown him out of sickbay and had him sleep it off in the farking brig.

These are just a few examples of what people think of better Star Trek than they think of Discovery and Picard. Now, those two are not without their problems; Discovery first couple of seasons in particular were just not great; regardless of where the focus for the show is. But it's not like the other shows are farking perfect either. See this from Antony Starr (at 10:30 of video) when talking about reactions, expectations, and fandom.

Lastly, Lower Decks is farking fantastic. References and in-jokes aside, it's a lot of great Trek, and *actually funny*.
 
6 days ago  

Aezetyr: Lastly, Lower Decks is farking fantastic. References and in-jokes aside, it's a lot of great Trek, and *actually funny*.


Placing bets on whether season 2 will have a "mirror" episode.

Cuz you know they're gonna.
 
6 days ago  

Kat09tails: Shades of Gray - it's one of those clip episodes they used to make when they ran out of budget.


Writer's strike at the same time. They couldn't get a script from anyone (or at least not a script that didn't need rewrites that no one could do) so they had to cut an episode together with minimal story to not run afoul of the picket lines.
 
6 days ago  
I think I re-watched all of Enterprise last year via Netflix.  It's not a great series, but a bit better than people give it credit.  Every series has weaknesses, and Enterprise's was that it didn't get great writing until Manny Coto had taken over.

Every single criticism lobbed at Voyager is just.  Bi-polar, awful, and zero continuity.  I think there was probably 10 episodes in the entire seven year run that were good.
 
6 days ago  

darkhorse23: DS9 is the best Star Trek. Fight me


While I fully agree with this, TNG is still my favorite. I grew up watching new episodes with my family every week, and watching it when it was syndicated and on TV around dinner time. TNG is very special to me because of that fact, and the interest it gave me in computers, science and space.

My favorite episodes:
- Pretty much anything with Barclay (especially Nth degree) or Q.
- Anything with the holodeck as a key piece (especially Q-pid)
- Almost all the two-parter episodes
- Lower Decks, because it goes away from the majority of the main crew
- Starship Mine, because Picard kills someone with a crossbow
- Cause and Effect, because the mechanics of the episode are neat
- Parallels, because it's one of the few good Worf episodes
 
6 days ago  

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I love the future of Kira's character after DS9 ended on TV. The books explored it. Bajor being rushed into the Federation gave Kira a brevet promotion to Captain in Starfleet as the new commander of DS9, and other characters joined:Ro Laren back as station security chief in place of Odo, with an apparent "amnesty" from Starfleet at the behest of Picard and a commission as Lieutenant to rejoin Starfleet.
 
6 days ago  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: I think I re-watched all of Enterprise last year via Netflix.  It's not a great series, but a bit better than people give it credit.  Every series has weaknesses, and Enterprise's was that it didn't get great writing until Manny Coto had taken over.


Enterprise's weakness was Scott Bakula. He is an absolutely appalling actor who cannot pull off "angry" to save his life. All his angry tirades came off like petulant pouting. How the fark did he win an Emmy for Quantum Leap?

I think the show could've turned out better if they had a Captain with more presence and gravitas. Every Captain they had up until then had extensive theatre work and was a master at chewing scenery. Enterprise should have continued that tradition but instead they went with someone who had all the command and poise of a wet noodle.
 
6 days ago  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Every single criticism lobbed at Voyager is just.  Bi-polar, awful, and zero continuity.  I think there was probably 10 episodes in the entire seven year run that were good.


Ehhhhh, they had some of the best two-parters of any of the series.

- Year of Hell
- Scorpion
- Killing Game
- Equinox
- Unimatrix Zero
- Flesh and Blood

Aezetyr: FFS, one week the ship comes across a shiny new anomaly that dumps tons of data about "this area of space" into the memory banks of the ship, and the following episode, the crew bemoans the fact that they know nothing about "this area of space". Either the episodes were aired out of order, the writers didn't give a flying fark-all, or they didn't know what the hell they were doing.


We had no idea how much time passed between episodes, and given they are in an unexplored quadrant, they have no idea where the hell they are going. To attend to some of your other points, I really disliked Kes, I was glad when they removed her. She was whiny, and not a well-thought out character. 

Voyager was a return to the non-serial form of story-telling (generally speaking), with some serial elements that carried on from season to season. Janeway is one of the better captains as well. Kate treated her character like a real military leader, and had undying loyalty to her crew. 

Is Voyager great? No. But it's a good Trek series, and honestly it got back to space exploration after the largely static DS9.
 
6 days ago  
i find the next gen did not age well. the original though....i watch all the time.

//voyager sucks
 
6 days ago  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Yeah, I don't get what people find badass about punching someone who lets you punch him because you're so pathetically puny. It wasn't even Sisko's idea, he's just easily goaded.


Let's be honest, the entire sequence was put into the script for no reason other than to give Sisko his: "I'm not Picard," line.
 
6 days ago  

Aezetyr: Discovery first couple of seasons in particular were just not great


hasn't it only been on 2 season and literally just started season 3?
 
6 days ago  

swankywanky: Aezetyr: Discovery first couple of seasons in particular were just not great

hasn't it only been on 2 season and literally just started season 3?


Yah what does that have to do with seasons 3 through 5 being brilliant before taking a nosedive in season six when     left the show.
 
6 days ago  

phimuskapsi:
My favorite episodes:
- Pretty much anything with Barclay (especially Nth degree) or Q.
- Anything with the holodeck as a key piece (especially Q-pid)


See, I disagree.  They had a huge cast of characters to work with, but then they devoted countless episodes to Barkley, Lwaxanna, Alexander, Keiko!!!
It's like SNL having a cast of 20 but hiring well known actors to play every part on the show!

Ishkur: Enterprise's weakness was Scott Bakula.


My only issue was he was too well known to me.  So I couldn't separate Bakula from Archer.
I mean, I know all the other captains had careers too but I guess, to me, Bakula was the most famous and he stood out
 
6 days ago  

olorin604: swankywanky: Aezetyr: Discovery first couple of seasons in particular were just not great

hasn't it only been on 2 season and literally just started season 3?

Yah what does that have to do with seasons 3 through 5 being brilliant before taking a nosedive in season six when     left the show.


??  Discovery.  Been on two seasons only.  Season 3 just started up. But Seasons 3-5 were brilliant?  Is there another Star Trek Discovery I'm not aware of?
 
6 days ago  
"S3 of TOS was not great. 'And the Children Shall Lead' in particular stands out as truly awful. "

Thats an understatement. Season 3 was 90% hot trash and unwatchable. And the first 2 seasons were often pretty hit or miss at times as well.
 
6 days ago  

swankywanky: olorin604: swankywanky: Aezetyr: Discovery first couple of seasons in particular were just not great

hasn't it only been on 2 season and literally just started season 3?

Yah what does that have to do with seasons 3 through 5 being brilliant before taking a nosedive in season six when     left the show.

??  Discovery.  Been on two seasons only.  Season 3 just started up. But Seasons 3-5 were brilliant?  Is there another Star Trek Discovery I'm not aware of?


Regardless of what show you're discussing, every discussion will invariably result in the following comment:

Yah what does that have to do with seasons 3 through 5 being brilliant before taking a nosedive in season six when     left the show.

Note the gap in the last sentence.

Feel free to indulge in a sensible chuckle.
 
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6 days ago  

Ishkur: Aezetyr: Lastly, Lower Decks is farking fantastic. References and in-jokes aside, it's a lot of great Trek, and *actually funny*.

Placing bets on whether season 2 will have a "mirror" episode.

Cuz you know they're gonna.


They'd better have a two-parter goatee special!
 
6 days ago  

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6 days ago  

Wenchmaster: swankywanky: olorin604: swankywanky: Aezetyr: Discovery first couple of seasons in particular were just not great

hasn't it only been on 2 season and literally just started season 3?

Yah what does that have to do with seasons 3 through 5 being brilliant before taking a nosedive in season six when     left the show.

??  Discovery.  Been on two seasons only.  Season 3 just started up. But Seasons 3-5 were brilliant?  Is there another Star Trek Discovery I'm not aware of?

Regardless of what show you're discussing, every discussion will invariably result in the following comment:

Yah what does that have to do with seasons 3 through 5 being brilliant before taking a nosedive in season six when     left the show.

Note the gap in the last sentence.

Feel free to indulge in a sensible chuckle.


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phimuskapsi: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Every single criticism lobbed at Voyager is just.  Bi-polar, awful, and zero continuity.  I think there was probably 10 episodes in the entire seven year run that were good.

Ehhhhh, they had some of the best two-parters of any of the series.

- Year of Hell
- Scorpion
- Killing Game
- Equinox
- Unimatrix Zero
- Flesh and Blood

Aezetyr: FFS, one week the ship comes across a shiny new anomaly that dumps tons of data about "this area of space" into the memory banks of the ship, and the following episode, the crew bemoans the fact that they know nothing about "this area of space". Either the episodes were aired out of order, the writers didn't give a flying fark-all, or they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

We had no idea how much time passed between episodes, and given they are in an unexplored quadrant, they have no idea where the hell they are going. To attend to some of your other points, I really disliked Kes, I was glad when they removed her. She was whiny, and not a well-thought out character. 

Voyager was a return to the non-serial form of story-telling (generally speaking), with some serial elements that carried on from season to season. Janeway is one of the better captains as well. Kate treated her character like a real military leader, and had undying loyalty to her crew. 

Is Voyager great? No. But it's a good Trek series, and honestly it got back to space exploration after the largely static DS9.


I've stated this in previous Voyager threads.  The Year of Hell is that the entire series run should have been.  The ship should have returned to the Alpha Quadrant as a mishmash of parts cobbled together on the voyage home.  There should have been parts of the ship either missing or been uninhabitable for years.  The Galactica in Nu-BSG is what Voyager should have been.
 
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Darmok is awful.
 
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