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2020-10-17 11:44:38 PM  
What if you're voring for tbe Democratic party?
 
2020-10-17 11:56:52 PM  

Exluddite: What if you're voring for tbe Democratic party?


Not my thing, but I don't kinkshame.
 
2020-10-18 12:00:21 AM  
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2020-10-18 12:08:29 AM  
He's not wrong.
 
2020-10-18 12:10:47 AM  
And you're not black!
 
2020-10-18 12:11:50 AM  

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Like Noam Chomsky wearing a strap-on?
 
2020-10-18 12:18:42 AM  
I know people who won't vote for either Biden or Trump and are voting Libertarian. I think they are stupid as hell but I am not going to argue with them about it. They would be a lot more likely to vote Republican than Democrat normally so I consider it a win.
 
2020-10-18 1:55:01 AM  
He's right you know.
 
2020-10-18 1:57:21 AM  
No sh*t, Sherlock.

*eye roll*
 
2020-10-18 2:07:52 AM  

Ken S.: I know people who won't vote for either Biden or Trump and are voting Libertarian. I think they are stupid as hell but I am not going to argue with them about it. They would be a lot more likely to vote Republican than Democrat normally so I consider it a win.


Kodos and Kang- It's a 2-party system. Throw your vote away on a 3rd-party candidate.
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2020-10-18 2:33:02 AM  
At this point, anybody who votes Trump is either knowingly supporting a corrupt, incompetent con man or too pig ignorant to know that's what they're doing.

They do not deserve your consideration, either way.
 
2020-10-18 2:44:02 AM  
I look forward to our resident fake progressives telling everyone how Noam Chomsky is just as bad as the Republicans.
 
2020-10-18 3:28:18 AM  
Didn't he spoil the 2000 election? It shows he can learn.
 
2020-10-18 3:35:55 AM  

wildcardjack: Didn't he spoil the 2000 election? It shows he can learn.


Trump?
He spoils everything, but I think he was spoiling New York not the election.
 
2020-10-18 3:39:27 AM  
B-b-b-but Green Party! That's like a vote against Biden but also somehow a vote against Trump! I don't understand anything but my logic is sound.
 
2020-10-18 3:44:34 AM  
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Noam is filling in for Captain Obvious who has the day off.
 
2020-10-18 3:49:05 AM  
One of my sociology professors called him Noam Chompsky.  😊

/RIP Mrs. Willis
//her damn dog killed her
///well, technically the bus did
 
Azz [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 3:51:28 AM  

monsatano: B-b-b-but Green Party! That's like a vote against Biden but also somehow a vote against Trump! I don't understand anything but my logic is sound.


Unlike those PINOs succumbing to pressures of the conservative Democrats in the establishment, I am a real progressive who will be voting for the Green Party in 2020.

Country hasn't burned down in the last 4 years of Trump and it can handle 4 more years, no problem. Biden is exactly the same as Trump, so I may as well vote my conscience. Also, I live in a safe blue state so my vote doesn't really matter anyway. Third way Democrats! Ice Cube!

/hi I am a Fark progressive and I am a selfish, myopic asshole
 
2020-10-18 3:53:48 AM  
To anyone that has misgivings about voting for Biden because he just isn't pure enough, I would like to remind you that at one time it made absolute sense to forge an alliance with Joseph Stalin in order to defeat Adolf Hitler. That choice carried a lot more moral ramifications than this one does, so grow the the fark up.
 
2020-10-18 3:55:44 AM  
I mean I would, but I care too much about the treatment of immigrants, women,minorities, and the poor to vote for Biden.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

/I know there are idiots out there thinking this, so out yourselves please :)
 
2020-10-18 3:56:24 AM  
Why vote Green when the Socialist Workers Party is a choice in my state?
 
2020-10-18 3:56:37 AM  

Azz: monsatano: B-b-b-but Green Party! That's like a vote against Biden but also somehow a vote against Trump! I don't understand anything but my logic is sound.

Unlike those PINOs succumbing to pressures of the conservative Democrats in the establishment, I am a real progressive who will be voting for the Green Party in 2020.

Country hasn't burned down in the last 4 years of Trump and it can handle 4 more years, no problem. Biden is exactly the same as Trump, so I may as well vote my conscience. Also, I live in a safe blue state so my vote doesn't really matter anyway. Third way Democrats! Ice Cube!

/hi I am a Fark progressive and I am a selfish, myopic asshole


That's very misanthropic, you sob.
 
2020-10-18 3:57:11 AM  
"I am a selfish, myopic asshole"

Well, your words.
 
Azz [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 3:58:19 AM  

monsatano: Azz: monsatano: B-b-b-but Green Party! That's like a vote against Biden but also somehow a vote against Trump! I don't understand anything but my logic is sound.

Unlike those PINOs succumbing to pressures of the conservative Democrats in the establishment, I am a real progressive who will be voting for the Green Party in 2020.

Country hasn't burned down in the last 4 years of Trump and it can handle 4 more years, no problem. Biden is exactly the same as Trump, so I may as well vote my conscience. Also, I live in a safe blue state so my vote doesn't really matter anyway. Third way Democrats! Ice Cube!

/hi I am a Fark progressive and I am a selfish, myopic asshole

That's very misanthropic, you sob.


Holy shiat you nailed it.

I have him blocked though. Got more important things to do than waste time on that muppet
 
2020-10-18 4:00:29 AM  
The number of people who are wasting their vote by voting 3rd party are thankfully much less than in 2016 so it seems Noam is underscoring something that is already a part of the zeitgeist.

/Manufacturing Consent is a must-read/watch, IMO.
 
2020-10-18 4:01:39 AM  
So just vote Trump then?
 
2020-10-18 4:03:32 AM  
Just think of third party voters as non-voters. You'll sleep better.
 
2020-10-18 4:05:42 AM  

Cagey B: I look forward to our resident fake progressives telling everyone how Noam Chomsky is just as bad as the Republicans.


"Chomsky's Minimalist Programme is a neoliberal attempt to alienate the valuable contributions made by a generation of Principles and Parameters linguists from the academic labourers who produced those contributions, all in the name of efficiency. More broadly speaking, the entire generative approach is attributed to him implicitly as 'Chomskyan', even though his personal contributions (while considerable) are only a small fraction of the entire field: young linguists publishing in syntax have little choice but to publish within 'his' field to gain access to the means of academic production, meaning he takes a vampiric share of credit for their findings -- a form of academic rent. Really, as much as Chomsky might claim to be a radically anti-capitalist / anti-imperialist anarcho-syndicalist, in practice he is a centrist neoliberal sellout, and his support for Biden proves there is no difference between the two parties."
 
2020-10-18 4:08:23 AM  

Azz: monsatano: Azz: monsatano: B-b-b-but Green Party! That's like a vote against Biden but also somehow a vote against Trump! I don't understand anything but my logic is sound.

Unlike those PINOs succumbing to pressures of the conservative Democrats in the establishment, I am a real progressive who will be voting for the Green Party in 2020.

Country hasn't burned down in the last 4 years of Trump and it can handle 4 more years, no problem. Biden is exactly the same as Trump, so I may as well vote my conscience. Also, I live in a safe blue state so my vote doesn't really matter anyway. Third way Democrats! Ice Cube!

/hi I am a Fark progressive and I am a selfish, myopic asshole

That's very misanthropic, you sob.

Holy shiat you nailed it.

I have him blocked though. Got more important things to do than waste time on that muppet


I don't ignore anyone, mostly because I enjoy seeing how closely the RW troll and Fark "Progressive" arguments seem to line up.
 
2020-10-18 4:10:36 AM  

MrBallou: At this point, anybody who votes Trump is either knowingly supporting a corrupt, incompetent con man or too pig ignorant to know that's what they're doing.

They do not deserve your consideration, either way.


That's just the sort of blinkered philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage.

And it's precisely the sneering condescending that (surprise!) won't win over any mushy middle voters.
 
2020-10-18 4:12:31 AM  

red5ish: Just think of third party voters as non-voters. You'll sleep better.


The party cannot fail, it can only be failed.

These muppets don't understand that a candidate who can't be more appealing than the libertarian candidate is a terrific failure of a politician and blame the voters for not voting for someone offering them nothing so their team can win and un-ironically chastise them for exercising a constitutional right as written while going completely apoplectic if anyone dares to criticize their party's candidate.

Thankfully Joe's smarter than fark's democrats. He's finna win, +1 from this onion.
 
2020-10-18 4:21:30 AM  

pkjun: Cagey B: I look forward to our resident fake progressives telling everyone how Noam Chomsky is just as bad as the Republicans.

"Chomsky's Minimalist Programme is a neoliberal attempt to alienate the valuable contributions made by a generation of Principles and Parameters linguists from the academic labourers who produced those contributions, all in the name of efficiency. More broadly speaking, the entire generative approach is attributed to him implicitly as 'Chomskyan', even though his personal contributions (while considerable) are only a small fraction of the entire field: young linguists publishing in syntax have little choice but to publish within 'his' field to gain access to the means of academic production, meaning he takes a vampiric share of credit for their findings -- a form of academic rent. Really, as much as Chomsky might claim to be a radically anti-capitalist / anti-imperialist anarcho-syndicalist, in practice he is a centrist neoliberal sellout, and his support for Biden proves there is no difference between the two parties."


See, Azz, this is how it's done.
 
2020-10-18 4:26:27 AM  

Sensei Can You See: MrBallou: At this point, anybody who votes Trump is either knowingly supporting a corrupt, incompetent con man or too pig ignorant to know that's what they're doing.

They do not deserve your consideration, either way.

That's just the sort of blinkered philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage.

And it's precisely the sneering condescending that (surprise!) won't win over any mushy middle voters.


Cute take from the Alex Jones listener.
 
2020-10-18 4:30:52 AM  
Assistance is futile.
 
2020-10-18 4:32:17 AM  
Save America. Save yourselves. Vote Yeezy
 
2020-10-18 4:36:40 AM  

devilEther: Save America. Save yourselves. Vote Yeezy


No.
 
Azz [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 4:38:47 AM  

Todd300: pkjun: Cagey B: I look forward to our resident fake progressives telling everyone how Noam Chomsky is just as bad as the Republicans.

"Chomsky's Minimalist Programme is a neoliberal attempt to alienate the valuable contributions made by a generation of Principles and Parameters linguists from the academic labourers who produced those contributions, all in the name of efficiency. More broadly speaking, the entire generative approach is attributed to him implicitly as 'Chomskyan', even though his personal contributions (while considerable) are only a small fraction of the entire field: young linguists publishing in syntax have little choice but to publish within 'his' field to gain access to the means of academic production, meaning he takes a vampiric share of credit for their findings -- a form of academic rent. Really, as much as Chomsky might claim to be a radically anti-capitalist / anti-imperialist anarcho-syndicalist, in practice he is a centrist neoliberal sellout, and his support for Biden proves there is no difference between the two parties."

See, Azz, this is how it's done.


I clearly have a lot of work to do in order to reach the Ben Shapiro level of faux intellectual smugness 😁

@monsatano I hear ya. That was one of my core principles for a long time until I realized the air I breathe can be much cleaner without these morons constantly vomiting self righteous bullshiat
 
2020-10-18 4:47:27 AM  

Azz: Todd300: pkjun: Cagey B: I look forward to our resident fake progressives telling everyone how Noam Chomsky is just as bad as the Republicans.

"Chomsky's Minimalist Programme is a neoliberal attempt to alienate the valuable contributions made by a generation of Principles and Parameters linguists from the academic labourers who produced those contributions, all in the name of efficiency. More broadly speaking, the entire generative approach is attributed to him implicitly as 'Chomskyan', even though his personal contributions (while considerable) are only a small fraction of the entire field: young linguists publishing in syntax have little choice but to publish within 'his' field to gain access to the means of academic production, meaning he takes a vampiric share of credit for their findings -- a form of academic rent. Really, as much as Chomsky might claim to be a radically anti-capitalist / anti-imperialist anarcho-syndicalist, in practice he is a centrist neoliberal sellout, and his support for Biden proves there is no difference between the two parties."

See, Azz, this is how it's done.

I clearly have a lot of work to do in order to reach the Ben Shapiro level of faux intellectual smugness 😁

@monsatano I hear ya. That was one of my core principles for a long time until I realized the air I breathe can be much cleaner without these morons constantly vomiting self righteous bullshiat


The amount of cardio I get on here via eyeroll is pretty astounding.
 
2020-10-18 4:49:50 AM  

Sensei Can You See: MrBallou: At this point, anybody who votes Trump is either knowingly supporting a corrupt, incompetent con man or too pig ignorant to know that's what they're doing.

They do not deserve your consideration, either way.

That's just the sort of blinkered philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage.

And it's precisely the sneering condescending that (surprise!) won't win over any mushy middle voters.


Anyone incapable of making a decision this blindingly obvious ought to be fined.
 
2020-10-18 4:53:51 AM  

pkjun: Cagey B: I look forward to our resident fake progressives telling everyone how Noam Chomsky is just as bad as the Republicans.

"Chomsky's Minimalist Programme is a neoliberal attempt to alienate the valuable contributions made by a generation of Principles and Parameters linguists from the academic labourers who produced those contributions, all in the name of efficiency. More broadly speaking, the entire generative approach is attributed to him implicitly as 'Chomskyan', even though his personal contributions (while considerable) are only a small fraction of the entire field: young linguists publishing in syntax have little choice but to publish within 'his' field to gain access to the means of academic production, meaning he takes a vampiric share of credit for their findings -- a form of academic rent. Really, as much as Chomsky might claim to be a radically anti-capitalist / anti-imperialist anarcho-syndicalist, in practice he is a centrist neoliberal sellout, and his support for Biden proves there is no difference between the two parties."


So that's how the young-uns refer to self pleasurement these days...
 
2020-10-18 4:56:47 AM  
Natalie Portmanteau:

That's no excuse for poor political strategy.

The "I'm not a Republican" strategy has been failing democrats since FDR's day. Time to stop and start Appealing to voters instead of trying to default into office. If someone doesn't support your candidate, your candidate is to blame.
 
2020-10-18 5:00:32 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Natalie Portmanteau:

That's no excuse for poor political strategy.

The "I'm not a Republican" strategy has been failing democrats since FDR's day. Time to stop and start Appealing to voters instead of trying to default into office. If someone doesn't support your candidate, your candidate is to blame.


Pretending that saying trump is terrible and must be voted out is far more complex than "I'm not a republican" and is hardly the sum total of the message.
 
2020-10-18 5:03:10 AM  

Smackledorfer: leeksfromchichis: Natalie Portmanteau:

That's no excuse for poor political strategy.

The "I'm not a Republican" strategy has been failing democrats since FDR's day. Time to stop and start Appealing to voters instead of trying to default into office. If someone doesn't support your candidate, your candidate is to blame.

Pretending that saying trump is terrible and must be voted out is far more complex than "I'm not a republican" and is hardly the sum total of the message.


Ideally .

But too many have rushed to make "better than trump"  equivalent to "good" and that's just empire destroying folly.
 
2020-10-18 5:08:58 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Smackledorfer: leeksfromchichis: Natalie Portmanteau:

That's no excuse for poor political strategy.

The "I'm not a Republican" strategy has been failing democrats since FDR's day. Time to stop and start Appealing to voters instead of trying to default into office. If someone doesn't support your candidate, your candidate is to blame.

Pretending that saying trump is terrible and must be voted out is far more complex than "I'm not a republican" and is hardly the sum total of the message.

Ideally .

But too many have rushed to make "better than trump"  equivalent to "good" and that's just empire destroying folly.


Not ideally, but actually.

Ya know, as silly as I sometimes find debates, apparently people need them because some of us apparently pay no attention to platforms, interviews, etc.

Hell, the ad I heard on pandora while mowing the lawn had a list of goals and was hardly "I'm not republican". Same with literally every text advertisement I've received this season.
 
2020-10-18 5:13:28 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Natalie Portmanteau:

That's no excuse for poor political strategy.

The "I'm not a Republican" strategy has been failing democrats since FDR's day. Time to stop and start Appealing to voters instead of trying to default into office. If someone doesn't support your candidate, your candidate is to blame.


Every democratic nominee for president has had detailed plans on everything from healthcare to foreign policy, they can only do so much to discuss ethanol tax credits or expansion of foreign aid when all anyone else seems to want to discuss is why they decided to look like a sperm while crawling out of the shuttle or their farking emails.
 
2020-10-18 5:14:15 AM  

monsatano: I don't ignore anyone, mostly because I enjoy seeing how closely the RW troll and Fark "Progressive" arguments seem to line up.


Bless your heart.
 
2020-10-18 5:19:20 AM  
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2020-10-18 5:22:33 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Smackledorfer: leeksfromchichis: Natalie Portmanteau:

That's no excuse for poor political strategy.

The "I'm not a Republican" strategy has been failing democrats since FDR's day. Time to stop and start Appealing to voters instead of trying to default into office. If someone doesn't support your candidate, your candidate is to blame.

Pretending that saying trump is terrible and must be voted out is far more complex than "I'm not a republican" and is hardly the sum total of the message.

Ideally .

But too many have rushed to make "better than trump"  equivalent to "good" and that's just empire destroying folly.


Trying to figure out who these "too many" are, and drawing a blank. Help me out?
 
2020-10-18 5:23:26 AM  

MrBallou: At this point, anybody who votes Trump doesn't vote Biden is either knowingly supporting a corrupt, incompetent con man or too pig ignorant to know that's what they're doing.

They do not deserve your consideration, either way.

 
2020-10-18 5:29:42 AM  
I wouldn't vote for either major party if I were an American.  Probably end up doing a write in for myself.
 
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