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2 days ago  
Hold on to your butts.
 
2 days ago  

dionysusaur: Hold on to your butts.


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2 days ago  
Researchers also looked at why exactly good governments fail. They found the collapse of good governments was often triggered by the rise to power of amoral leaders -- leaders who ignored the social contract and abandoned their society's ideals.

I'm pretty sure they're saying that Trump has lost the mandate of heaven. Good thing the following paragraph bears no similarity to the current situation.

Such betrayals often precipitated or accompanied rising inequality, concentration of political power, tax evasion, crumbling infrastructure and the decline of bureaucratic institutions -- a pattern researchers suggest can be observed in modern societies.
 
2 days ago  
I'm not scared.  My glasses can make fire.
 
2 days ago  
Well, duh.

In a democracy or any representative government, the only social cohesion is the social contract. The leaders govern because the people ALLOW them to govern. In exchange for pay, housing, and a job with virtually no oversight and no real requirements, the leaders are required only to ensure the people have security, employment opportunities, a stable economy, and reasonable laws reasonably applied.

Individuals who break that contract lose their cushy jobs. Governments who break the contract lose their nations.
 
2 days ago  
If we look on the bright side, we've never been a society ruled by principles of good governance.

Our constitution needed amendments to allow people to vote and have basic rights. The idea of America always being a good and just country is fiction.

So maybe we wont fail too hard when this all collapses.
 
2 days ago  
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
2 days ago  
I was bouncing around Wikipedia the other day and stumbled across the concept of "defensive democracy." While on its face it sounds a bit antithetical (a democracy where certain ideas are effectively outlawed) it seems like at least a partial solution to the tolerance paradox. Enshrine in the very constitution of the nation that certain ideas will never be acceptable, and those advocating them be found criminally liable, and at least you prevent the rise of an anti-democracy, wannabe dictator.

Maybe if America does perish and succumb to its own natural tendencies, we build up the replacement in that light. "Never again."
 
2 days ago  

Obscure Login: If we look on the bright side, we've never been a society ruled by principles of good governance.


You literally live beneath one that has "good government" as its motto.
 
2 days ago  
I wonder if its the same study I read the other day saying that more than half of dictatorships came from democratic societies and 80% of them went all the way before people fought back because most people have their heads up their asses/are in denial.

Thanks to Netflix and Amazon, chances are, we'll go all the way and it wont be pretty.

Probably not with Trump because hes farking idiot but the next Trump, surely. Anyone could be a better wannabe dictator than this dumbfark.
 
2 days ago  

Shaggy_C: it seems like at least a partial solution to the tolerance paradox


It's not a paradox. People just don't understand it properly.

A tolerant person desires an outcome that maximizes tolerance at all times. But if they tolerate intolerance, that will lead to an outcome that does not maximize tolerance. Therefore in order to maximize tolerance it is in the tolerant person's interests to oppose intolerance in any form. This is not a contradiction.
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  

Shaggy_C: I was bouncing around Wikipedia the other day and stumbled across the concept of "defensive democracy." While on its face it sounds a bit antithetical (a democracy where certain ideas are effectively outlawed) it seems like at least a partial solution to the tolerance paradox. Enshrine in the very constitution of the nation that certain ideas will never be acceptable, and those advocating them be found criminally liable, and at least you prevent the rise of an anti-democracy, wannabe dictator.

Maybe if America does perish and succumb to its own natural tendencies, we build up the replacement in that light. "Never again."


Maybe we should bring back Ostracism.  If you can get X number of people to vote for ostracizing someone, they are unceremoniously dumped outside the border and not allowed to come back for 10 years.

A bit of Sortition wouldn't hurt either.
 
2 days ago  
I've been trying to put together a vague plan in case of economic/societal collapse. Mrs Kitty and I have a couple months worth of food, some water filters, and enough books/crafts to keep us occupied for the first couple months of insanity if we really need to hunker down. The neighbors are pretty cool and seem more likely to help garden the area than kill us.
 
2 days ago  
Well, duh. The founding fathers didn't think someone like Trump would ever be elected President to begin with, and only honorable men would ever run for office. It turns out that our system of governance was merely only a list of suggestions. Our government is so farked up that every time we've forced a regime change in another country to compel democracy, not a single system of government mirrors ours. Because they know our system sucks.
 
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2 days ago  

Shaggy_C: I was bouncing around Wikipedia the other day and stumbled across the concept of "defensive democracy." While on its face it sounds a bit antithetical (a democracy where certain ideas are effectively outlawed) it seems like at least a partial solution to the tolerance paradox. Enshrine in the very constitution of the nation that certain ideas will never be acceptable, and those advocating them be found criminally liable, and at least you prevent the rise of an anti-democracy, wannabe dictator.

Maybe if America does perish and succumb to its own natural tendencies, we build up the replacement in that light. "Never again."


This is what Germany did after the war. Nazi paraphenalia, books, and so on, are explicitly illegal to own outside teaching environments and slogans and gear will put you in prison. I have no issue with this. Americans have a bizarre idea of 'freedom,' and it comes to bite us in the ass.
 
2 days ago  
So the message is "Good is dumb. Brutal regimes forever! Blood for the Blood God!"?
 
2 days ago  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: So the message is "Good is dumb. Brutal regimes forever! Blood for the Blood God!"?


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2 days ago  
I guess it's a good thing we've only ever been ruled by average governance at best. >_>
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  
Why have a system of checks and balances when significant portions of that checks and balance can't farking do their jobs?  Folks focus on the President, while convincing themselves their individual representative is the shining light of Congress.  It's not just the farking President that is terrible.

People love to suggest that they're the bosses of the politicians, that they have the power to vote them out if they're ineffective.  Motherfarkers, how long would you last at a job with a 20-30% approval rating?

We're literally stuck ping ponging back and forth between two political machines that do not care at all for the citizens of the nation.  They care about the vote the individual represents, and say anything to achieve or maintain that vote, knowing that a failure to follow through will rarely come with consequences.
 
2 days ago  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Shaggy_C: I was bouncing around Wikipedia the other day and stumbled across the concept of "defensive democracy." While on its face it sounds a bit antithetical (a democracy where certain ideas are effectively outlawed) it seems like at least a partial solution to the tolerance paradox. Enshrine in the very constitution of the nation that certain ideas will never be acceptable, and those advocating them be found criminally liable, and at least you prevent the rise of an anti-democracy, wannabe dictator.

Maybe if America does perish and succumb to its own natural tendencies, we build up the replacement in that light. "Never again."

This is what Germany did after the war. Nazi paraphenalia, books, and so on, are explicitly illegal to own outside teaching environments and slogans and gear will put you in prison. I have no issue with this. Americans have a bizarre idea of 'freedom,' and it comes to bite us in the ass.


Only half true. Displaying or using nazi items in a political, promotional or organizational way is illegal (even that has limits). However, owning items is quite legal and it is easy to find even at flea markets.
 
2 days ago  
You mean pervasive corporate socialism works no better than its totalitarian brother?
 
2 days ago  

RussianPotato: I'm not scared.  My glasses can make fire.


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2 days ago  
America has suffered setbacks in the past, recovered, and grown stronger. The phrase "in order to form a more perfect union" in the first sentence of the Constitution suggests that this is a process, not a done deal. The ability to amend the Constitution suggests that the founders knew that changes were going to need to be made.

America will not be taken down by the likes of Trump, QAnon, Rush Limbaugh, or Rupert Murdoch.
 
2 days ago  
Not this bullshiat again.

It's funny how all stories about how we have destroyed our democracy or Trump has destroyed our world are short on facts and details.

You'd think that historians who study these things would have a bit more to say about the details when making such invidious comparisons.

The things that will protect our democracy and way of life are embodied in the Bill of Rights, which is not being threatened by Trump but by other forces. Thats a false narrative fueled in part by his poor speaking ability. The negative trends in social disorder and events in Russia and China started long before him, though. The Bill of Rights and democracy worldwide are under siege due to other forces in our society over the last 30 years.

See:
-Putins annexation of Crimea and China's mass repression and aggression
-Ferguson riots in response to a false narrative circulated in U.S. media.
-massive increases increases in U.S. national debt
-restriction of free speech in U.S. based on political orientation

Because these problems were not created by Trump, they wont go away when he is gone.

The real problem is that our politucal parties are not being held to account for not doing their jobs in Congress.
Congress is supposed to be the most important part of our government, not the president.  Ive never heard so much crazy talk coming from members of Congress who are doing so little to address the problems that got worse in the last 30 years.  The solution is to study it up and vote for the party that will do a better job I guess, but it's oretty clear that Democrats will make our debt and political culture much worse by doing everything wrong and Republicans will probably do too little.  The failures may be related now to the dominance of only two parties, which has radicalized them.
 
2 days ago  

red5ish: America has suffered setbacks in the past, recovered, and grown stronger. The phrase "in order to form a more perfect union" in the first sentence of the Constitution suggests that this is a process, not a done deal. The ability to amend the Constitution suggests that the founders knew that changes were going to need to be made.

America will not be taken down by the likes of Trump, QAnon, Rush Limbaugh, or Rupert Murdoch.



Climate change is going to be a far bigger challenge than any human society has ever dealt with before.
 
2 days ago  

DarnoKonrad: red5ish: America has suffered setbacks in the past, recovered, and grown stronger. The phrase "in order to form a more perfect union" in the first sentence of the Constitution suggests that this is a process, not a done deal. The ability to amend the Constitution suggests that the founders knew that changes were going to need to be made.

America will not be taken down by the likes of Trump, QAnon, Rush Limbaugh, or Rupert Murdoch.


Climate change is going to be a far bigger challenge than any human society has ever dealt with before.


Climate change is thought to have driven a number of the major migrations of barbarian peoples during antiquity.  That seemed to work out for everybody wonderfully.
 
2 days ago  

born_yesterday: Climate change is thought to have driven a number of the major migrations of barbarian peoples during antiquity. That seemed to work out for everybody wonderfully.


While this will be true later on this century, right now the main driver of the migration crisis is economics.

Whenever the first world crashes the global economy, the third world takes the longest to recover (sometimes 10 years or more, or not at all). This induced pressure on their populations compels them to seek better opportunities in the very countries that caused their migration in the first place (yet don't want them).
 
2 days ago  
Vietnam was the beginning of the end.  It destroyed faith in government and then Nixon sealed the deal.  We need term limits across the board and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines that put american citizens first.

Politics should not be a career and should not have any retirement benefits.
 
2 days ago  

born_yesterday: DarnoKonrad: red5ish: America has suffered setbacks in the past, recovered, and grown stronger. The phrase "in order to form a more perfect union" in the first sentence of the Constitution suggests that this is a process, not a done deal. The ability to amend the Constitution suggests that the founders knew that changes were going to need to be made.

America will not be taken down by the likes of Trump, QAnon, Rush Limbaugh, or Rupert Murdoch.


Climate change is going to be a far bigger challenge than any human society has ever dealt with before.

Climate change is thought to have driven a number of the major migrations of barbarian peoples during antiquity.  That seemed to work out for everybody wonderfully.


Climate change was probably also responsible for the demise of the Neanderthals and Denosovian peoples
 
2 days ago  

Ishkur: Obscure Login: If we look on the bright side, we've never been a society ruled by principles of good governance.

You literally live beneath one that has "good government" as its motto.


Literally? North is not up, god damn it.

"Glen:
All right, now the sun sets in the East, right?

Mitch:
No! The sun sets in the West.

Glen:
That's if your *in* the East, but we are way out West now, so we are past where the sun sets.

Mitch:
You can't be *passed* where the sun sets, and if you think you can, then I am directly South of an idiot!

Phil:
Which is down!

Mitch:
Right!"
 
2 days ago  

dwrash: Vietnam was the beginning of the end.  It destroyed faith in government and then Nixon sealed the deal.  We need term limits across the board and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines that put american citizens first.

Politics should not be a career and should not have any retirement benefits.


You're opinion is... problematic. You once said on Fark: " I wouldn't call the countries that have universal healthcare 'civilized'... "
 
2 days ago  

red5ish: America has suffered setbacks in the past, recovered, and grown stronger. The phrase "in order to form a more perfect union" in the first sentence of the Constitution suggests that this is a process, not a done deal. The ability to amend the Constitution suggests that the founders knew that changes were going to need to be made.

America will not be taken down by the likes of Trump, QAnon, Rush Limbaugh, or Rupert Murdoch.


Funny how Farkers jeer at Sanders Progressives, yet worship dialectical onward-and-upward Progress.

Karl Marx believed in inevitable progress too, you know.

Entropy in organisms and systems seems to be the norm though, especially when people let themselves and their surroundings go to shiat, or are prevented by the more powerful from doing what is necessary for sustainment.
 
2 days ago  
Animatronik:

That's a lot of words to wrong
 
2 days ago  

Harlee: dwrash: Vietnam was the beginning of the end.  It destroyed faith in government and then Nixon sealed the deal.  We need term limits across the board and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines that put american citizens first.

Politics should not be a career and should not have any retirement benefits.

You're opinion is... problematic. You once said on Fark: " I wouldn't call the countries that have universal healthcare 'civilized'... "


But they arent.  They are societies that are no longer growing and in order to keep the peace they are placating their population by buying them off.  The side benefit is that the people then rely on the government for their livelihood which makes them easy to manipulate.
 
2 days ago  

dwrash: Vietnam was the beginning of the end.  It destroyed faith in government and then Nixon sealed the deal.  We need term limits across the board and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines that put american citizens first.

Politics should not be a career and should not have any retirement benefits.


A few more points, if I may.

>>>Vietnam was the beginning of the end.

No it wasn't. The End of the Civil War was. Reconstruction failed and we did not purge the totalitarian slaver culture from the face of the Earth. Yes, it would have been messy, and horrible, but also necessary. All Confederate politicians, Confederate military officers, and plantation owners and their families should have been hung. THAT would have expunged the culture and sent the message. I*t wasn't done, and we have been paying the price in domestic terrorism ever since.

>>>It destroyed faith in government...

Television destroyed faith in government.

>>>...and then Nixon sealed the deal.

Nixon was the guy who actually ended the war. And he opened China. And created the EPA. He wasn't all bad. The problem was that Nixon had untreated mental illness (paranoia).

>>>We need term limits across the board...

Sounds like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Being in government does not automatically equate with being corrupt, stupid, and evil.

>>>...and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off...

More baby tossing.

>>>...and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines...

We already have most of them. They simply need to be enforced. We need to reset the "creeping cynicism" that defeats those standards (a universal issue in all States).

>>>...that put american citizens first. [sic]

That is not how you become and remain a world leader. You put everyone "first" (on an equal footing as regards their human rights). Also, if you are purging everyone connected with government and replacing them with new blood, I suspect that you are going to need a LOT more people and talent than is available within the "Real American" labor pool.
 
2 days ago  

dwrash: Harlee: dwrash: Vietnam was the beginning of the end.  It destroyed faith in government and then Nixon sealed the deal.  We need term limits across the board and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines that put american citizens first.

Politics should not be a career and should not have any retirement benefits.

You're opinion is... problematic. You once said on Fark: " I wouldn't call the countries that have universal healthcare 'civilized'... "

But they arent.  They are societies that are no longer growing and in order to keep the peace they are placating their population by buying them off.  The side benefit is that the people then rely on the government for their livelihood which makes them easy to manipulate.


Lord, you are ignorant. Read a goddamned book occasionally.
 
2 days ago  
dwrash:

That's much fewer words, but amazingly much more wrong.

Impressive, because wrong should be boolean.
 
2 days ago  

Gyrfalcon: Well, duh.

In a democracy or any representative government, the only social cohesion is the social contract. The leaders govern because the people ALLOW them to govern. In exchange for pay, housing, and a job with virtually no oversight and no real requirements, the leaders are required only to ensure the people have security, employment opportunities, a stable economy, and reasonable laws reasonably applied.

Individuals who break that contract lose their cushy jobs. Governments who break the contract lose their nations.


Our main problem is that we have forgotten that Liberty without Responsibility (self-imposed behavioral requirements) and Duty (socially-imposed behavioral requirements) simply becomes License. Thomas Hobbes, in Leviathan, was correct in this. His failure  was to conflate Duty with Absolute Monarchy.

That being said, Limited Monarchy as a system has its advantages, not the least of which is long-term social continuity and a common "meeting point" for all citizens. (Getting to the point of Limited Monarchy, unfortunately, is generally nasty and bloody. See England as an example.)

I can see a governmental system where a sapient AI with strictly programmed limits has the last word, and the rest of government is filled by meat bags. In my novel, for example, in criminal trials The Presence runs the (machine) police force, and is the judge, but he can only reduce a sentence, and the Graciousones retain meat juries for trials.

We are a long ways from that, unfortunately.
 
2 days ago  

Harlee: dwrash: Vietnam was the beginning of the end.  It destroyed faith in government and then Nixon sealed the deal.  We need term limits across the board and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines that put american citizens first.

Politics should not be a career and should not have any retirement benefits.

A few more points, if I may.

>>>Vietnam was the beginning of the end.

No it wasn't. The End of the Civil War was. Reconstruction failed and we did not purge the totalitarian slaver culture from the face of the Earth. Yes, it would have been messy, and horrible, but also necessary. All Confederate politicians, Confederate military officers, and plantation owners and their families should have been hung. THAT would have expunged the culture and sent the message. I*t wasn't done, and we have been paying the price in domestic terrorism ever since.

>>>It destroyed faith in government...

Television destroyed faith in government.

>>>...and then Nixon sealed the deal.

Nixon was the guy who actually ended the war. And he opened China. And created the EPA. He wasn't all bad. The problem was that Nixon had untreated mental illness (paranoia).

>>>We need term limits across the board...

Sounds like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Being in government does not automatically equate with being corrupt, stupid, and evil.

>>>...and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off...

More baby tossing.

>>>...and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines...

We already have most of them. They simply need to be enforced. We need to reset the "creeping cynicism" that defeats those standards (a universal issue in all States).

>>>...that put american citizens first. [sic]

That is not how you become and remain a world leader. You put everyone "first" (on an equal footing as regards their human rights). Also, if you are purging everyone connected with government and replacing them with new blood, I suspect that you are going to need a LOT more people and talent than is available within the "Real American" labor pool.


Our form of government precludes us from being a world leader because it lacks continuity by design.

The fact that we have tried to be one is the biggest problem we have.
 
2 days ago  

Obscure Login: If we look on the bright side, we've never been a society ruled by principles of good governance.

Our constitution needed amendments to allow people to vote and have basic rights. The idea of America always being a good and just country is fiction.

So maybe we wont fail too hard when this all collapses.


Also, America was mainly founded by authoritarian and religious nut bag losers kicked out of their countries. Example: When England got tired of the Puritan's shiat.
 
2 days ago  

Harlee: dwrash: Harlee: dwrash: Vietnam was the beginning of the end.  It destroyed faith in government and then Nixon sealed the deal.  We need term limits across the board and every federal, state and local employee needs to be laid off and we need to set new hiring standards with strict ethical guidelines that put american citizens first.

Politics should not be a career and should not have any retirement benefits.

You're opinion is... problematic. You once said on Fark: " I wouldn't call the countries that have universal healthcare 'civilized'... "

But they arent.  They are societies that are no longer growing and in order to keep the peace they are placating their population by buying them off.  The side benefit is that the people then rely on the government for their livelihood which makes them easy to manipulate.

Lord, you are ignorant. Read a goddamned book occasionally.


The left has has rationalized its ignorance and it's interesting to watch them lack any ability to examine their motives.  They want want want...no...they are entitled to stuff they do not merit or deserve.

It really is an interesting study.

Peace throughout the world both internationally and domestically is purchased through the use of bribery as a diplomatic tool.

Bribery has never been a sustainable model.
 
2 days ago  

Obscure Login: If we look on the bright side, we've never been a society ruled by principles of good governance.


So much so. It has occasionally moved from not-too-bad to not-so-bad, but it's never really been good.
 
2 days ago  

lolmao500: I wonder if its the same study I read the other day saying that more than half of dictatorships came from democratic societies and 80% of them went all the way before people fought back because most people have their heads up their asses/are in denial.

Thanks to Netflix and Amazon, chances are, we'll go all the way and it wont be pretty.

Probably not with Trump because hes farking idiot but the next Trump, surely. Anyone could be a better wannabe dictator than this dumbfark.


I think you have a good point here. Our popular culture has degraded us. (Yeah, I know, it makes me sound like a paranoid John Bircher.)

My brother in law shared his Netflix password with us last month, and I've been perusing their selections.

I binge re-watched Breaking Bad, which was magnificent in several ways, but then looked at some of the other selections. Just damn. There's a lot of crap there from the 80s, 90s, and 00's, including some of the James Bond movies. I can't believe that I ever was into them. Literally a lot of mindless (and desensitizing) violence. I have to think that these (and all the Dirty Harry type cop shows) have had a negative impact on us.

There IS a theory - somewhat supported by sketchy evidence - that the Soviets engaged in cultural warfare from the mid-50's on. This would certainly fit the bill.
 
2 days ago  

Ishkur: Shaggy_C: it seems like at least a partial solution to the tolerance paradox

It's not a paradox. People just don't understand it properly.

A tolerant person desires an outcome that maximizes tolerance at all times. But if they tolerate intolerance, that will lead to an outcome that does not maximize tolerance. Therefore in order to maximize tolerance it is in the tolerant person's interests to oppose intolerance in any form. This is not a contradiction.


THIS.
 
2 days ago  

Harlee: lolmao500: I wonder if its the same study I read the other day saying that more than half of dictatorships came from democratic societies and 80% of them went all the way before people fought back because most people have their heads up their asses/are in denial.

Thanks to Netflix and Amazon, chances are, we'll go all the way and it wont be pretty.

Probably not with Trump because hes farking idiot but the next Trump, surely. Anyone could be a better wannabe dictator than this dumbfark.

I think you have a good point here. Our popular culture has degraded us. (Yeah, I know, it makes me sound like a paranoid John Bircher.)

My brother in law shared his Netflix password with us last month, and I've been perusing their selections.

I binge re-watched Breaking Bad, which was magnificent in several ways, but then looked at some of the other selections. Just damn. There's a lot of crap there from the 80s, 90s, and 00's, including some of the James Bond movies. I can't believe that I ever was into them. Literally a lot of mindless (and desensitizing) violence. I have to think that these (and all the Dirty Harry type cop shows) have had a negative impact on us.

There IS a theory - somewhat supported by sketchy evidence - that the Soviets engaged in cultural warfare from the mid-50's on. This would certainly fit the bill.


Hm, that would explain Animatronic.
 
2 days ago  
New study shows when societies formerly ruled by principles of good governance fail, they fail hard

Guess that means the US has nothing to worry about.
 
2 days ago  

Ishkur: Shaggy_C: it seems like at least a partial solution to the tolerance paradox

It's not a paradox. People just don't understand it properly.

A tolerant person desires an outcome that maximizes tolerance at all times. But if they tolerate intolerance, that will lead to an outcome that does not maximize tolerance. Therefore in order to maximize tolerance it is in the tolerant person's interests to oppose intolerance in any form. This is not a contradiction.


There's a simpler way to put it:
"All things in moderation. Even tolerance."
 
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