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Albert911emt [TotalFark]
2020-10-17 10:03:31 PM  
165 votes:

cretinbob: BizarreMan: cretinbob: Apparently these " marshals" were hastily deputized and were guys like corrections officers and other people who were not career marshals.
Makes you wonder why that is.

The professionals couldn't be counted on to carry out the extra judicial execution?

Two sheriff's deputies, one cop, one jail guard and a real US marshal.
One of them didn't fire their weapon.
Guess which one.
Go ahead, guess.

// I had a link but Fark ate it


Well, clearly it's the one who doesn't love America.
 
dr_blasto [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-17 10:03:48 PM  
101 votes:

cretinbob: Guess which one.
Go ahead, guess.


was it their uber driver?
 
King Something
2020-10-18 12:08:25 AM  
56 votes:

maddog2030: ...and then?


NO AND THEN!
 
RottenEggs
2020-10-18 6:21:15 AM  
33 votes:

Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.


He'll be Hillary level soon .
 
Walker [TotalFark]
2020-10-17 11:57:49 PM  
30 votes:
I'm sure they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law right Mr. Barr?
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bigbadideasinaction
2020-10-18 12:51:32 AM  
21 votes:

maddog2030: ...and then?


...they fixed the cable?
 
Ishkur [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-10-18 6:57:59 AM  
19 votes:
Why? Was the guy on 5th Avenue?
 
Mouser
2020-10-18 9:17:56 AM  
19 votes:

Bruscar: Why is there no addendum with other House Representatives, who are not former prosecutors, as well as Senators who also support an investigation signing on? Why isn't the list of Congressmen calling for an investigation longer than my arm?


Because the allegations are bogus and intended solely to sling mud at the President during the election campaign.  Please keep up with the rest of the class.
 
FarkQued
2020-10-18 7:37:45 AM  
18 votes:

shpritz: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him


Thanks Marshalls for saving tax dollars on booking, processing, jail, trial, etc.  Don't worry I am sure some body cam footage will show the antifaTHER was in the wrong.
 
cretinbob [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-18 12:40:15 AM  
17 votes:
easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.
 
way south
2020-10-18 8:22:22 AM  
15 votes:
Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?
 
cretinbob [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-18 8:57:54 AM  
14 votes:

FarkQued: shpritz: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him

Thanks Marshalls for saving tax dollars on booking, processing, jail, trial, etc.  Don't worry I am sure some body cam footage will show the antifaTHER was in the wrong.


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orbister
2020-10-18 10:47:00 AM  
14 votes:

ReaverZ: Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"


Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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Roshamon
2020-10-18 7:32:54 AM  
13 votes:

Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.


Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina
 
soupafi
2020-10-18 9:25:18 AM  
13 votes:
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ryant123
2020-10-18 9:53:06 AM  
13 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: [Fark user image 768x512]


Pence isn't carrying that cross though. That's just the cross that always floats nearby and gives him advice like that fairy in Zelda games.

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Prussian_Roulette
2020-10-18 9:43:37 AM  
12 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?

And yet Kyle Rittenhouse lives. As does Dylan roof. Shiatbags or not, we have laws and vigilante justice has no place. Funny how your diatribe ignores that.


I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".

You're upset that US Marshalls gunned downed an armed, suspected murderer, with a prior violent history.  A guy who felt so confident that he wouldn't be arrested by the local cops, that he was giving interviews.

And you believe after three years of successfully evading the FBI's and Mueller Team's attempts to nail him down as a Russian puppet, Trump's going to blithely tell some rando deputized LE dudes, "No arrests - kill on sight!"

I'd ask how stupid all that sounds but, hey, peeing on Russian hookers was a credible story too, right?

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FriarReb98 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-18 6:42:42 AM  
11 votes:

Rhino Jockey: Wanted for questioning:
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Wrong pic.
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Prussian_Roulette
2020-10-18 12:09:04 PM  
9 votes:

Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.


I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

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4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.

They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.
 
169th Cousin
2020-10-18 12:13:11 AM  
8 votes:
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zippyZRX
2020-10-18 9:18:08 AM  
8 votes:

winedrinkingman: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You have a constitutional right to self defense, so if you reasonably believe your life is in danger, that supersedes the law against discharging of a firearm.

That said, simply having a gun on you, even if you are carrying it illegally, is not grounds to be killed by the police. If it were, the police would be justified in opening fire on all the militia guys, because every state has laws against private militias that make it illegal for private individuals to carry out their own private police/military operations.  You can use a gun to defend your home, but the minute you set up a perimeter around someone else's property "to protect it" you are breaking the law, unless their life is in immediate danger.

Third thing, even if the shooting was a hundred percent legit and self defense on the part of the cops here, and Trump gave no order for them to make the shooting, but is claiming to have done so after the fact, it would be grounds to have any cases against anyone else that may have been working with the victim, thrown out, and it opens the government to civil lawsuits.  

Finally, it is illegal as hell for a president to order the killing of an American, even one who is suspected of committing a crime, so giving such an order, even if it ends up the cops did not follow it, or were unaware that such an order had been given, means the president is guilty of a serious felony, so Trump is in fact claiming he committed murder by giving such an order.

What pisses me off is that every conservative I know is just gonna turn red in the face, and stomp their feet, and angrily c ...


https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-lawsuit-american-boy-killed-us-drone-strike

You gonna arrest Obama or you wanna admit you arent shiat?
 
Be polite walk on the right
2020-10-18 6:11:50 AM  
7 votes:
The ONLY reason I pay ANY taxes AT ALL
 
FarkQued
2020-10-18 7:33:46 AM  
7 votes:

RottenEggs: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

He'll be Hillary level soon .


2 or 3 more decades till Biden level.
 
RottenEggs
2020-10-18 8:09:08 AM  
7 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: It would be interesting to read comparisons of this guy's actions and situation compared to right wing hero Kyle Rittenhouse


The guy who shot the kiddie diddler ?
 
JRoo
2020-10-18 10:38:24 AM  
7 votes:
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Prussian_Roulette
2020-10-18 11:26:23 AM  
7 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...


So you're saying president best words is lying? He's the one that bragged about the marshals, who as has been pointed out repeatedly, were deputized before the operation.


So what?  That's been SOP for a while now, after Antifa-supporting politicians explicitly refused to allow local LE to do their jobs.

Trump himself bragged they didn't try to arrest him. Are you saying he's lying because I'm not. I'm going by what Trump, Mr. no more bullshiat himself said.

Who are "they"?  You assume he meant the marshals.  I assume he meant local LE.  You know why?  Because local LE already has a past history of not arresting Antifa felons.  See local political direction above.

Are you also saying that you don't believe the evidence, intelligence assessments from US and our allies that the collusion occurred? Despite the report saying it did by Mueller, the republican led senate, the indictments, convictions, plea deals, fines and more? Because only putin and Trump are denying it.

Bunny, your multi-year, multi-agency investigation ended with "Well, we didn't find anything that was illegal, but that doesn't mean he's exonerated."  It's time to move to Stage 5.

I'll give you a moment to wipe the cheeto jizz of your chin.

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And finally in your petulant rant, you complain about sayings, yet we have a lot more actual violent acts by right wing proud boys, racists and Trump supporters than anything done by the left by you ignore direct threats from the right such as Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up protesters including saying he'd pay their legal fees, he encouraged cops to be extra rough when arresting people. But you're putting random comments on web sites on the same level as words from the president.

You typed that with a straight face?  How many months has Antifa/BLM been burning and looting across the country?  Point out on a map where Da Proud Boyz established "Autonomous Zones" where vigilante justice reigns supreme.  And who's been implementing catch-and-release with Antifa terrorists?  Isn't all of that what directly led to the Feds deputizing other agencies?  You're not very good at this.

Long story short, GFY with your BSAB false equivalency. No really, eabod.

No BSAB here.  Just one.  The side burning the country down.

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Roshamon
2020-10-18 8:10:41 AM  
6 votes:

Alphax: Roshamon: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina

Putin is Morgoth?


Nope, Putin's still Putin.  He just has a bit of leverage on the big guy to keep him pliant

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FarkQued
2020-10-18 8:10:50 AM  
6 votes:

The Envoy: FarkQued: shpritz: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him

Thanks Marshalls for saving tax dollars on booking, processing, jail, trial, etc.  Don't worry I am sure some body cam footage will show the antifaTHER was in the wrong.

Thanks West Virginia for saving taxpayer dollars by realising that you can't teach a turnip and ending this perambulating potato's education in 3rd Grade.


Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were working on cars nearby Thursday, said an unmarked SUV had been parked on School Street for a while when that SUV and another converged on a man in a vehicle at the apartment complex. Smith and Cutler moved onto a grassy area about 50 yards away to watch what was happening.

The man got out of his vehicle and began to fire what they believe was an assault rifle at the SUVs. They said they heard 40 or 50 shots, then officers returned fire, hitting the man.

"It reminded me of a video game," Cutler said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article245485220.html
 
orbister
2020-10-18 11:21:13 AM  
6 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.


Because ... ?
 
orbister
2020-10-18 12:39:03 PM  
6 votes:

libranoelrose: orbister: Peter von Nostrand: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.

Because ... ?

Because they aren't equivalent.

Now stop.


President Obama and VP Clinton sent a death squad to kill someone for political advantage. It's ugly and unacceptable when Putin does it and it was ugly and unacceptable when they did it.

The decision to use a fake medical team as cover, which has undoubtedly cost thousands for further lives (mostly children) only compounded the iniquity
 
ReaverZ
2020-10-18 6:52:24 AM  
5 votes:

RottenEggs: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

He'll be Hillary level soon .


Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"
 
splelps
2020-10-18 11:49:27 AM  
5 votes:

Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette: I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".

Dude, put the FOX News down.

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.  It means reducing funding to police departments and demilitarizing them (removing purely military hardware such as armored vehicles that most police departments should never have under any circumstance), and diverting that funding toward social services so that police can focus on violent crimes, while things like drug addiction, homelessness, and health and welfare checks can be handled by social workers and medical experts.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

3. Punch a Nazi is good.  Nazis have shown, repeatedly, for about the last 90 years, that they exploit cultures of tolerance to spread and corrupt people.  They whine about being oppressed, until they're strong enough to be the oppressor.  Even when they're the oppressor, they STILL try to point to others as their enemies to blame all their problems on and claim to be the victim.  There is no such thing as a good Nazi, end of story.  Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ.  It got WAY more coverage on right-wing media than anywhere else, and was basically a short-lived anti-police protest that is now over.  Pretty much nobody saw it as a serious effort or proposal at a long-term replacement for police.  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.


bro you had me for the first two, but I still maintain as I always have that punching someone for saying words is wrong, period. especially since farkers tend to be overly liberal (no pun intended) in labeling folks as nazis. I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action, and then using such a label as license for physical violence. if you're not for the first amendment protecting the most abhorrent speech, you're not for the first amendment. I also like how for your last point you both cite no sources and just speak for all those people assertively
 
splelps
2020-10-18 12:19:42 PM  
5 votes:

PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.


bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard
 
HighOnCraic
2020-10-18 2:07:31 PM  
5 votes:
Well, all I hear all day long at school is how great marshals are at this or how wonderful marshals did that!  Marshals, marshals, marshals!
 
Ow! That was my feelings!
2020-10-18 12:06:48 AM  
4 votes:
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IgG4 [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 12:35:58 AM  
4 votes:
Trump at the heart of of s shiat show? Shocked
 
buravirgil
2020-10-18 6:41:44 AM  
4 votes:

cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.


Thanks for the link.

Stingers are never put in pockets, noooo, neeeever.

Telling an ex-serviceman offering CPR to go away is macho-bullshiat-- if that witness is truthful.

WTF is this FTA first line:
Late summer sunshine bathed a working-class neighborhood in suburban Olympia,

Iterated in the 6th from the last paragraph, like frickin' denouement to a climax...
A moment after the shooting, Louis, the father of two, stared across the street,

still bathed in late summer sunshine,


Surveilled associate provided a safe-house, not revealed to the public? Uh-Ro. Police assets still a cookin'!

Son declares fugitive told him he'd evade arrest. Thanks, junior. I guess Dad wasn't the most "providing" of types, huh? More of a teach through example, guy, than by substantial means. Principled.
 
buravirgil
2020-10-18 8:30:08 AM  
4 votes:

way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?


You think somebody works here? You address questions like yours to subby with a wink and a nod to demonstrate you know full well to ask a question as you have, a perfectly reasonable one, is inviting a pile on of WELCOME TO FARK.

And laugh, laugh, laugh at the scattered leaves...the bruised egos...the textual regret of all who come to the politics tab.

Oh, wait...this wasn't the Politics tab. Nevermind.
 
waxbeans
2020-10-18 6:16:25 AM  
3 votes:

cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.


Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.
 
waxbeans
2020-10-18 6:24:06 AM  
3 votes:

shpritz: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him


And? The whole system is inconsistent malarkey.
And we tolerate it because we're idiots.
If was more consistent that be less problems.
 
EmmaLou
2020-10-18 6:29:07 AM  
3 votes:
Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.

Biden needs to win, and things like this need to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. This country cannot withstand more of this kind of "leadership." The fact that it possibly happened at all shows we're already broken.
 
Tyrone Slothrop [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 7:39:41 AM  
3 votes:

EmmaLou: Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.

Biden needs to win, and things like this need to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. This country cannot withstand more of this kind of "leadership." The fact that it possibly happened at all shows we're already broken.


The fact that Nixon was pardoned showed the country was broken. Everything else has been the inevitable result of that.

\of course, there's also the fact that the country was created broken, what with the whole slavery thing.
 
The Envoy
2020-10-18 7:57:20 AM  
3 votes:

FarkQued: shpritz: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him

Thanks Marshalls for saving tax dollars on booking, processing, jail, trial, etc.  Don't worry I am sure some body cam footage will show the antifaTHER was in the wrong.


Thanks West Virginia for saving taxpayer dollars by realising that you can't teach a turnip and ending this perambulating potato's education in 3rd Grade.
 
RottenEggs
2020-10-18 8:00:06 AM  
3 votes:

ReaverZ: RottenEggs: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

He'll be Hillary level soon .

Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"


LOL  He's so jealous .
 
Mouser
2020-10-18 9:14:59 AM  
3 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: [Fark user image 768x512]


And the public will ask, "what took you so long?"
 
orbister
2020-10-18 10:48:27 AM  
3 votes:

Roshamon: Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina


Half the people on earth have a vagina. It is not an insult.
 
Invisible Obama
2020-10-18 12:22:40 PM  
3 votes:

Prussian_Roulette: Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.

I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

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4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.

They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.


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splelps
2020-10-18 12:40:05 PM  
3 votes:

austerity101: splelps: PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.

bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard

Exactly what Nazi propaganda are you willing to defend as not actually being Nazi propaganda?  Show your work.


I'm not gonna let that shiat attempt to frame this your way slide. if something has been posted in the comments for this article that you or someone else has attempted to label as nazi propaganda, I'd be happy to take a look and offer my perspective (as another nobody commenter) on whether or not I believe it to be nazi propaganda. but as far as I can tell that hasn't happened yet
 
splelps
2020-10-18 12:49:57 PM  
3 votes:

austerity101: splelps: austerity101: splelps: PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.

bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard

Exactly what Nazi propaganda are you willing to defend as not actually being Nazi propaganda?  Show your work.

I'm not gonna let that shiat attempt to frame this your way slide. if something has been posted in the comments for this article that you or someone else has attempted to label as nazi propaganda, I'd be happy to take a look and offer my perspective (as another nobody commenter) on whether or not I believe it to be nazi propaganda. but as far as I can tell that hasn't happened yet

You are the one who brought it up, jackass.


the other thing I love is how polite everyone is here. but that's irrelevant. if you simply look at the posts YOU have just included in yours as quotes, you would see that I was not the one to bring up nazi propaganda
 
Prussian_Roulette
2020-10-18 1:38:48 PM  
3 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Laura Ingraham giving Trump a nazi salute at the 2016 RNC. It was not condemned by any Republicans. So, if the nazi shoe fits, Republicans should get used to wearing it.


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cretinbob [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-18 6:23:27 PM  
3 votes:

austerity101: PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.

This is absolutely not against you, but I really hate this quibbling over who is and isn't a Nazi.  The number of times in my life I've seen someone called a Nazi who didn't at all even slightly deserve it I can count on one hand.  Except for "feminazi," because that was a thing for a long-ass time and it was always stupid and misogynistic and deliberately dishonest.  But actually calling someone a "Nazi"?  This isn't something that I've seen people just throw casually around like it doesn't matter.  People have certainly been calling people Nazis more in the last few years than I've ever seen people do it before, but that's because more people are unabashedly acting like Nazis, not because we're playing too fast and loose with the word.

If you find yourself taking exception to someone being called a Nazi, you're probably a Nazi yourself, or you're damn close enough that we might as well call you that.  People who help and collaborate with Nazis are Nazis.  Everyone else knows exactly what's being said and why.


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cretinbob [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-17 9:59:20 PM  
2 votes:

BizarreMan: cretinbob: Apparently these " marshals" were hastily deputized and were guys like corrections officers and other people who were not career marshals.
Makes you wonder why that is.

The professionals couldn't be counted on to carry out the extra judicial execution?


Two sheriff's deputies, one cop, one jail guard and a real US marshal.
One of them didn't fire their weapon.
Guess which one.
Go ahead, guess.

// I had a link but Fark ate it
 
Kat09tails [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 12:26:53 AM  
2 votes:
The amount of silence from law enforcement, the state government, my own senators, and congressmen in my state on this is deafening.
 
shpritz
2020-10-18 6:21:26 AM  
2 votes:

waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.


You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him
 
leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 6:24:47 AM  
2 votes:
If it's true?

Hang 'em high.
 
Exception Collection
2020-10-18 6:50:34 AM  
2 votes:

EmmaLou: Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.

Biden needs to win, and things like this need to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. This country cannot withstand more of this kind of "leadership." The fact that it possibly happened at all shows we're already broken.


Wholly agreed.  There need to be investigations into everything - and those investigations should be held regardless of whether Trump and his people pardon each other or not.  If they don't, charge them or not as appropriate.  If they do?  Complete the investigations anyway, just to shine daylight on it.  This cannot be allowed to stand.

Oh, and any investigations should be wholly public.  No redactions for anything except national security, with redactions that being reviewed and confirmed or denied by a committee comprised of one elected individual chosen by each significant party, one non-partisan individual picked by the House & one by the senate, and one judge picked by SCOTUS.  Everyone needs to be shown as being invested in this.  Everyone.
 
MBooda
2020-10-18 7:04:29 AM  
2 votes:
FTA:

REPS [...] CALL FOR INVESTIGATION

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NathanAllen
2020-10-18 7:55:30 AM  
2 votes:
We're also going to have to clear out the U.S. Marshalls after the Election as well?

Jesus, is there nothing in our Federal Government left of the previous 200 years of progress?
 
Deathfrogg
2020-10-18 8:20:01 AM  
2 votes:

RottenEggs: Peter von Nostrand: It would be interesting to read comparisons of this guy's actions and situation compared to right wing hero Kyle Rittenhouse

The guy who shot the kiddie diddler

someone at a protest of the constant flow of unjustifiable Police killings, who had no right whatsoever to be in possession of the weapon he used, was underage, and raised to be a violent and potentially homicidal lunatic from birth by a pair of violent, uneducated white-trash rednecks?
 
Epoch_Zero
2020-10-18 8:28:35 AM  
2 votes:

vudukungfu: cretinbob: Apparently these " marshals" were hastily deputized and were guys like corrections officers and other people who were not career marshals.
Makes you wonder why that is.

Or how many yahoos out there think they have a license to kill


Anybody who gets a flag patch to put on their upper arm.

It's the magic patch that makes murder transform into patriotic tears.
 
Charletron
2020-10-18 9:58:17 AM  
2 votes:
Btw Trumpers, your panic is my lifeblood

I can smell it

SOON.
 
Invisible Obama
2020-10-18 11:28:26 AM  
2 votes:

Prussian_Roulette: I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".


Dude, put the FOX News down.

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.  It means reducing funding to police departments and demilitarizing them (removing purely military hardware such as armored vehicles that most police departments should never have under any circumstance), and diverting that funding toward social services so that police can focus on violent crimes, while things like drug addiction, homelessness, and health and welfare checks can be handled by social workers and medical experts.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

3. Punch a Nazi is good.  Nazis have shown, repeatedly, for about the last 90 years, that they exploit cultures of tolerance to spread and corrupt people.  They whine about being oppressed, until they're strong enough to be the oppressor.  Even when they're the oppressor, they STILL try to point to others as their enemies to blame all their problems on and claim to be the victim.  There is no such thing as a good Nazi, end of story.  Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ.  It got WAY more coverage on right-wing media than anywhere else, and was basically a short-lived anti-police protest that is now over.  Pretty much nobody saw it as a serious effort or proposal at a long-term replacement for police.  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.
 
dkulprit [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 11:37:31 AM  
2 votes:

RottenEggs: Peter von Nostrand: It would be interesting to read comparisons of this guy's actions and situation compared to right wing hero Kyle Rittenhouse

The guy who shot the kiddie diddler ?


Ah, that justifies shooting people.

Private citizens killing people is alright as long as they've done something illegal.

I'm glad we have that settled.

Looks like reinhoel was in the clear as patriot prayer person was doing something illegal that night.

And Colorado shooter shot someone who was assaulting people.

Now that we have that cleared up I'm glad we have a "law and order" president.

You know, following the law is obviously important to him.  The 4th ammendment, 5th ammendment, 6th ammendment, 8th ammendment, and the 14th ammendment are just suggestions in that process of law and order.... right?
 
smunns
2020-10-18 12:17:48 PM  
2 votes:
I guess whatever they have to do to derail an election is fair game for those people.
 
splelps
2020-10-18 12:24:11 PM  
2 votes:

Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette: Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.

I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

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4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.

They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.

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^^^

prime example of someone with no good counterargument
 
gottagopee
2020-10-18 1:27:58 PM  
2 votes:

Blathering Idjut: Prussian_Roulette:

I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?

Adorable.

Opaque conservatives support a president who randomly spits the phrase "LAW & ORDER" like he's suffering from some form of political Tourette's.

"Law & order" used to be a phrase that included the entirety of the U.S. Justice system where the accused would be arrested, get a fair trial, sometimes with a jury of his/ her peers followed by the justice of society leveled on that person if found guilty.

It doesn't include short-circuiting the system by administering violent street justice behind a badge (or a Proud Boy t-shirt,) or interfering in said system by installing a mouth-breathing toady as AG to the point of said toady interjecting himself into the justice system to protect the president, his friends and confidants.

There is no legitimate description of the incident around Reinoehl's death that justifies his execution.  At BEST cops involved should have been immediately suspended.

Folks in Portland, even the same folks who have take to the streets for months in support of BLM, would have preferred a fair and open trial with the likelihood he would be sent to prison.  Such a trial would've had the benefit of publicly reviewing not just Reinoehl's actions, but the actions of the fascist who came to Portland looking to incite violence and the others like him.

Liberals are the ones that want a return to law and order.  Conservatives just want vigilantism.


Rarely have I been so delighted to say, username decidedly does *not* check out
 
chawco
2020-10-18 1:38:21 PM  
2 votes:

Mouser: Bruscar: Why is there no addendum with other House Representatives, who are not former prosecutors, as well as Senators who also support an investigation signing on? Why isn't the list of Congressmen calling for an investigation longer than my arm?

Because the allegations are bogus and intended solely to sling mud at the President during the election campaign.  Please keep up with the rest of the class.


Ladies and gentlemen, evidence of the two divergent realities in which people live.

In one reality the "marshalls" boxed in a car and shot the guy inside immediately before they even identified as LEO. The victim was fleeing law enforcement after shooting a right wing thug in self defense. He was fearful of his life, and rightly so. The evil so called marshals.comitted an extra judicial killing and they bong in jail, as does Bill bar and trump for ordering it.

In the other reality, the violent crimeinal evil dirt against fired an AR-15 at Leo after bragging online that he had killed and would happily kill these defenders of freedom again. The valiant Marshall's had no choice but to shoot him, and are heros deserving only praise for making America safer. The evil.left is trying to twist this to attack the brave and strong president.

Somewhere in there is an objective truth. But one side of the political spectrum has been using naked probiganda and... wait which side people think is doing that also depends on which reality stream they are living in.
 
orbister
2020-10-18 3:04:26 PM  
2 votes:

strathmeyer: orbister: President Obama and VP Clinton sent a death squad to kill someone for political advantage. It's ugly and unacceptable when Putin does it and it was ugly and unacceptable when they did it.

The decision to use a fake medical team as cover, which has undoubtedly cost thousands for further lives (mostly children) only compounded the iniquity

At least you agree we should punish leaders for their murders.


Absolutely. I would love to see Tony Blair tried for war crimes and if Donald Trump ordered a killing in this case he should undoubtedly be charged with murder.
 
MBooda
2020-10-18 4:50:22 PM  
2 votes:

g.fro: orbister: Peter von Nostrand: So no, enemies of the US that have declared war and propagated war like attacks against the US and are not US citizens tend not to get afforded some rights. Nor do Americans that cooperate and complicit with enemies and are operating as an enemy of the US in foreign lands.

Even the USA has signed up to the Geneva Convention.

I must have missed the part in the Geneva Conventions which required a trial before one could kill the enemy. Do you have a reference handy?


Apparently you also missed the parts about declaring war and designating enemies before killing them.
 
Prof. Frink [BareFark]
2020-10-18 8:08:27 PM  
2 votes:

lmb: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

He the exact opposite of King Midas. Everything he touches turns to 💩


He's got the Charmin touch.
 
FarkQued
2020-10-18 9:06:47 PM  
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: FarkQued: Ishkur: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

Osama's not American.

two points you are making...
1) Its ok to kill proven evil murderers...
2) Only citizens of a country have rights in same country...

JFC. You can't be that dense. In order to leap to that you have to completely ignore AUMF. Which exists and pretty much explicitly covers OBL. So no, enemies of the US that have declared war and propagated war like attacks against the US and are not US citizens tend not to get afforded some rights. Nor do Americans that cooperate and complicit with enemies and are operating as an enemy of the US in foreign lands.


So what would you call war like attacks?
1) Burning down city blocks, destroying businesses and endangering innocent people?
2) Threatening and killing police officers, law enforcement, duly elected government officials?
3) Tearing down historic markers and statues?
4) Creating no go zones within a city, void of rule of law and government authority?
5) Murders, rapes, in same no go zones?
6) Attempting and succeeding to destroy public government buildings, offices?

I am not excusing injustice, bad people doing illegal actions should be arrested and tried and punished no matter whom, through law enforcement and adjudication.

I am also not excusing rioters to be free from same laws and rules because of injustice concerns.  Two wrongs do not make a right.

Most of the arguments I see on these boards are so insular and biased that there is no ability to even see the whole picture.  Any attempt to present a different perspective is akin to resisting authoritarianism.  Those touting Diversity seek only to celebrate those flavors of diversity they choose.
 
orbister
2020-10-19 5:48:02 AM  
2 votes:

g.fro: orbister: Peter von Nostrand: So no, enemies of the US that have declared war and propagated war like attacks against the US and are not US citizens tend not to get afforded some rights. Nor do Americans that cooperate and complicit with enemies and are operating as an enemy of the US in foreign lands.

Even the USA has signed up to the Geneva Convention.

I must have missed the part in the Geneva Conventions which required a trial before one could kill the enemy. Do you have a reference handy?


There's a bit about declarations of war and another bit about treatment of prisoners. Are you quite sure that you want to go down the road of summary execution for perceived enemies of the state?
 
orbister
2020-10-19 12:15:20 PM  
2 votes:

g.fro: It says nothing about declarations of war being required, and even acknowledges that undeclared wars or conflicts are still covered.


Exactly, so your position that America can do anything it likes as long as it hasn't actually declared war is nonsense'
 
Albert911emt [TotalFark]
2020-10-17 10:02:20 PM  
1 vote:
Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-18 4:42:20 AM  
1 vote:

Twilight Farkle: [YouTube video: Capital T (Capital G/Nine Inch Nails Trump Remix)]


Year Zero explained what would happen if we let the policies of the Bush II administration run their natural course. We didn't listen.

The Warning
Youtube sWQdI7L4mqQ
 
Rhino Jockey
2020-10-18 6:10:14 AM  
1 vote:
Wanted for questioning:
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AllCatsAreBeautiful
2020-10-18 6:35:54 AM  
1 vote:
Duh. Everyone knew this was a targeted assassination of an American citizen, on American soil, by the Feds. They were never going to arrest him and grant him due process in a criminal court.
/I'm just surprised they didn't drone him instead.
 
transporter_ii
2020-10-18 6:42:58 AM  
1 vote:

My Sober Alt: I really don't know because this is just another story I don't think we'll ever know what really happened.


Yeah, though highly questionable, if the president of the United States of America wasn't publicly saying he sort of put a hit out on the guy, this would probably go nowhere.

And it isn't that it doesn't suck, it's just that in reality it's kind of an iffy situation. Iffy situations tend to go in favor of the LEO side. Hell, even non-iffy situations go in favor of LEO.

All in all, I would expect an investigation that goes nowhere in the end.
 
waxbeans
2020-10-18 6:54:19 AM  
1 vote:

winedrinkingman: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You have a constitutional right to self defense, so if you reasonably believe your life is in danger, that supersedes the law against discharging of a firearm.

That said, simply having a gun on you, even if you are carrying it illegally, is not grounds to be killed by the police. If it were, the police would be justified in opening fire on all the militia guys, because every state has laws against private militias that make it illegal for private individuals to carry out their own private police/military operations.  You can use a gun to defend your home, but the minute you set up a perimeter around someone else's property "to protect it" you are breaking the law, unless their life is in immediate danger.

Third thing, even if the shooting was a hundred percent legit and self defense on the part of the cops here, and Trump gave no order for them to make the shooting, but is claiming to have done so after the fact, it would be grounds to have any cases against anyone else that may have been working with the victim, thrown out, and it opens the government to civil lawsuits.  

Finally, it is illegal as hell for a president to order the killing of an American, even one who is suspected of committing a crime, so giving such an order, even if it ends up the cops did not follow it, or were unaware that such an order had been given, means the president is guilty of a serious felony, so Trump is in fact claiming he committed murder by giving such an order.

What pisses me off is that every conservative I know is just gonna turn red in the face, and stomp their feet, and angrily claim that the left is protecting murderers and cuddling criminals when any of this is pointed out.  It doesn't matter if the deceased in this case was a murderer.  We have laws and the fact is, if killing someone without judicial action is okay, because they committed a crime, then it was okay for the victim in this case, to have murdered the right wing militia guy, because that guy was also breaking the law at the time.


I don't disagree.
But, the cops regularly kill people.
They killed a kid with a toy gun.
They killed a man with a CCL.
They hurt a man having a diabetic seizure. They insisted he was resisting.
They killed a kid for wearing a mask.
They killed a man for refusing to enter a police vehicle.
They killed women for allegedly being a stash House. (Which is completely different from being a drug den) which means even if she was guilty she wasn't actually facing that much time.
They shot a man for going for his wallet after the officer specifically asked him for identification.
They strangled them in for ceiling cigarettes.
They beat a man for several minutes for DWI animating arrest. Meanwhile they could have just handcuffed them at any time considering how much they had already beat him.
But reasons.
 
haknudsen
2020-10-18 6:54:58 AM  
1 vote:

transporter_ii: And it isn't that it doesn't suck, it's just that in reality it's kind of an iffy situation. almost all situations tend to go in favor of the LEO side. Hell, even non-iffy situations go in favor of LEO.


FTFY
 
Alphax
2020-10-18 7:36:03 AM  
1 vote:

Roshamon: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina


Putin is Morgoth?
 
Charletron
2020-10-18 8:03:17 AM  
1 vote:
"They didn't want to arrest him"

I think we deserve to know exactly what Trump meant by that.
 
ReaverZ
2020-10-18 9:01:32 AM  
1 vote:

FarkQued: RottenEggs: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

He'll be Hillary level soon .

2 or 3 more decades till Biden level.


Yeap, stealing paper clips from the office. How will themRepublic survive.
 
waxbeans
2020-10-18 9:18:37 AM  
1 vote:

Mouser: Bruscar: Why is there no addendum with other House Representatives, who are not former prosecutors, as well as Senators who also support an investigation signing on? Why isn't the list of Congressmen calling for an investigation longer than my arm?

Because the allegations are bogus and intended solely to sling mud at the President during the election campaign.  Please keep up with the rest of the class.


😆🙄
 
waxbeans
2020-10-18 9:19:56 AM  
1 vote:

Mouser: Bruscar: Why is there no addendum with other House Representatives, who are not former prosecutors, as well as Senators who also support an investigation signing on? Why isn't the list of Congressmen calling for an investigation longer than my arm?

Because the allegations are bogus and intended solely to sling mud at the President during the election campaign.  Please keep up with the rest of the class.


Sling mug ? What like there going to flip a red hat? LOL.
Why waste the money or time.
Better off making sure people vote.
No need to try to change minds.
 
Invisible Obama
2020-10-18 9:40:39 AM  
1 vote:

winedrinkingman: Finally, it is illegal as hell for a president to order the killing of an American, even one who is suspected of committing a crime, so giving such an order, even if it ends up the cops did not follow it, or were unaware that such an order had been given, means the president is guilty of a serious felony, so Trump is in fact claiming he committed murder by giving such an order.


This used to be something that got the Trumpers/RWNJ's in a full-on derpstorm.

They'd scream about what a tyrant Obama is, because he ordered the killing of an American citizen. . .said citizen had run off, joined Al Qaeda, was on the battlefields of the middle east fighting jihad against America and its allies. . .but when he got blown up in a drone strike, they were SCREAMING about extrajudicial killing and about violating due process rights.  They'd shout about how that's grounds for impeachment, grounds for a revolution against the Federal government, about how that's proof that Obama is a terrible President.

Trump brags about having US Marshalls execute a US citizen, in cold blood, on US soil, simply because they didn't want to arrest him.  They cheer.

farking fascists.
 
Corn_Fed [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 9:58:31 AM  
1 vote:

leeksfromchichis: If it's true?

Hang 'em high.


Given thatTrump personally ordered the guy murdered, let em swing all the way to the top.
 
Corn_Fed [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 10:14:04 AM  
1 vote:

RottenEggs: Peter von Nostrand: It would be interesting to read comparisons of this guy's actions and situation compared to right wing hero Kyle Rittenhouse

The guy who shot the kiddie diddler ?


Rightwing vigilantes are the one class of people even more evil than kiddie diddlers.
 
Peter von Nostrand
2020-10-18 10:28:51 AM  
1 vote:

Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?

And yet Kyle Rittenhouse lives. As does Dylan roof. Shiatbags or not, we have laws and vigilante justice has no place. Funny how your diatribe ignores that.

I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".

You're upset that US Marshalls gunned downed an armed, suspected murderer, with a prior violent history.  A guy who felt so confident that he wouldn't be arrested by the local cops, that he was giving interviews.

And you believe after three years of successfully evading the FBI's and Mueller Team's attempts to nail him down as a Russian puppet, Trump's going to blithely tell some rando deputized LE dudes, "No arrests - kill on sight!"

I'd ask how stupid all that sounds but, hey, peeing on Russian hookers was a credible story too, right?

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So you're saying president best words is lying? He's the one that bragged about the marshals, who as has been pointed out repeatedly, were deputized before the operation. Trump himself bragged they didn't try to arrest him. Are you saying he's lying because I'm not. I'm going by what Trump, Mr. no more bullshiat himself said.

Are you also saying that you don't believe the evidence, intelligence assessments from US and our allies that the collusion occurred? Despite the report saying it did by Mueller, the republican led senate, the indictments, convictions, plea deals, fines and more? Because only putin and Trump are denying it.

I'll give you a moment to wipe the cheeto jizz of your chin.

And finally in your petulant rant, you complain about sayings, yet we have a lot more actual violent acts by right wing proud boys, racists and Trump supporters than anything done by the left by you ignore direct threats from the right such as Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up protesters including saying he'd pay their legal fees, he encouraged cops to be extra rough when arresting people. But you're putting random comments on web sites on the same level as words from the president.

Long story short, GFY with your BSAB false equivalency. No really, eabod.
 
LiveDemo
2020-10-18 10:45:51 AM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?

And yet Kyle Rittenhouse lives. As does Dylan roof. Shiatbags or not, we have laws and vigilante justice has no place. Funny how your diatribe ignores that.

I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".

You're upset that US Marshalls gunned downed an armed, suspected murderer, with a prior violent history.  A guy who felt so confident that he wouldn't be arrested by the local cops, that he was giving interviews.

And you believe after three years of successfully evading the FBI's and Mueller Team's attempts to nail him down as a Russian puppet, Trump's going to blithely tell some rando deputized LE dudes, "No arrests - kill on sight!"

I'd ask how stupid all that sounds but, hey, peeing on Russian hookers was a credible story too, right?

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So you're saying president best words is lying? He's the one that bragged about the marshals, who as has been pointed out repeatedly, were deputized before the operation. Trump himself bragged they didn't try to arrest him. Are you saying he's lying because I'm not. I'm going by what Trump, Mr. no more bullshiat himself said.

Are you also saying that you don't believe the evidence, intelligence assessments from US and our allies that the collusion occurred? Despite the report saying it did by Mueller, the republican led senate, the indictments, convictions, plea deals, fines and more? Because only putin and Trump are denying it.

I'll give you a moment to wipe the cheeto jizz of your chi ...


Thank you. I just put him on ignore, but you said all the things.
 
Peter von Nostrand
2020-10-18 10:53:10 AM  
1 vote:

orbister: ReaverZ: Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"

Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.
 
Ishkur [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-10-18 10:53:46 AM  
1 vote:

orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:


Osama's not American.
 
itsaback [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 11:40:17 AM  
1 vote:
Imagine if he was shot two blocks to the south.
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dkulprit [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 11:47:34 AM  
1 vote:

Mouser: Bruscar: Why is there no addendum with other House Representatives, who are not former prosecutors, as well as Senators who also support an investigation signing on? Why isn't the list of Congressmen calling for an investigation longer than my arm?

Because the allegations are bogus and intended solely to sling mud at the President during the election campaign.  Please keep up with the rest of the class.


He said it and there is proof that he never drew on the Marshalls....

But you know ride or die for mr president.

Honestly I doubt that Trump actually had anything to do with this from the getgo outside of maybe telling Barr that he wants it taken care of and maybe barr dealt with it or put it to a lackey, but Trump wants to sound like a tough guy as if he ordered it.

But it is something that should be looked at.  And if it is something that was "ordered" even by some lackey of Barr's it should be punished.  Idgaf what side of the aisle you are on.  We have a constitution and it should be followed.
 
grimlock1972 [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 11:53:18 AM  
1 vote:

BizarreMan: cretinbob: Apparently these " marshals" were hastily deputized and were guys like corrections officers and other people who were not career marshals.
Makes you wonder why that is.

The professionals couldn't be counted on to carry out the extra judicial execution?


More like refused to do so.   if it can be proven trump ordered the man killed rather than arrested he should be arrested for 1st degree murder.
 
dkulprit [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 12:06:52 PM  
1 vote:

splelps: way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?

yeah that does seem like the usual disingenuous "it's okay if our guy does it" shiat that any wing nut seems to love

having said that Trump bragging about this is super sus and the government openly murdering its own citizens would be a million times worse than what the victim in THIS case may have done in THAT one


I thought we had due process?

As far as the constitution is concerned he is not guilty because he never had a trial, never had the opportunity to defend himself or confront his accuser.

It's funny that you say that while commenting on this person's post, because if you look at any said persons posts in threads where the right wing rally around them (see: st. Louis dumbass lawyers, rittenhouse, Georgia guys that shot jogger) you'll find them saying that we can't call them murderers or say they did anything illegal since they haven't been tried yet in a court of law and found guilty.

But you come into threads where one of the people killed is their own and it's "murderer this, murderer that."

We have laws, we have constitutional rights.  The partisan hackery is on one side.  Reonhoel is probably a murderer.  We will never know though.  And this is why people are protesting.  It isn't the police job to mete out justice, it is their job to bring those people in to get judged in a court of law.  It is our constitutional rights.

So if we want to be fair and balanced ™ in this situation and actually act like the right does....

As far as reinhoel's victim goes we will treat it the same as they've treated the minorities killed by police "don't start none if you don't want none."  He was driving around macing people and shooting them with paintballs.

Does that actually deserve to be killed?  Fark no.  But here we are.  It'a the defense of every single person who has killed someone on the left from the right.  So I'm just being fair here.
 
austerity101 [TotalFark]
2020-10-18 12:14:59 PM  
1 vote:

PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.


This is absolutely not against you, but I really hate this quibbling over who is and isn't a Nazi.  The number of times in my life I've seen someone called a Nazi who didn't at all even slightly deserve it I can count on one hand.  Except for "feminazi," because that was a thing for a long-ass time and it was always stupid and misogynistic and deliberately dishonest.  But actually calling someone a "Nazi"?  This isn't something that I've seen people just throw casually around like it doesn't matter.  People have certainly been calling people Nazis more in the last few years than I've ever seen people do it before, but that's because more people are unabashedly acting like Nazis, not because we're playing too fast and loose with the word.

If you find yourself taking exception to someone being called a Nazi, you're probably a Nazi yourself, or you're damn close enough that we might as well call you that.  People who help and collaborate with Nazis are Nazis.  Everyone else knows exactly what's being said and why.
 
backhand.slap.of.reason
2020-10-18 12:21:52 PM  
1 vote:
They should be drawing up Impeachment papers based upon Trump's statements alone.  I'm really farking upset with House Democrats.  So much for justice for all.
 
Peter von Nostrand
2020-10-18 12:54:13 PM  
1 vote:

Prussian_Roulette: Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.

I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

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4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.

They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.


Laura Ingraham giving Trump a nazi salute at the 2016 RNC. It was not condemned by any Republicans. So, if the nazi shoe fits, Republicans should get used to wearing it.

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Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-10-18 1:34:33 PM  
1 vote:

ryant123: Ow! That was my feelings!: [Fark user image 768x512]

Pence isn't carrying that cross though. That's just the cross that always floats nearby and gives him advice like that fairy in Zelda games.

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I know this is off topic here but I adore it.

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Oh and as always, fark Trump.
 
Peter von Nostrand
2020-10-18 1:47:24 PM  
1 vote:

Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: Laura Ingraham giving Trump a nazi salute at the 2016 RNC. It was not condemned by any Republicans. So, if the nazi shoe fits, Republicans should get used to wearing it.

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Don't even try the white power thing because the white nationalists had not co opted it in 1984
 
chawco
2020-10-18 1:56:07 PM  
1 vote:

Blathering Idjut: Liberals are the ones that want a return to law and order.  Conservatives just want vigilantism.


I would actually amend that to say that what liberals want is Justice. The term law and order has been corrupted by the right to support a system of Oppression, whereby they can induce whatever laws they want in order to hold down certain minorities other groups they find on desirable, unjustly prosecute them in the name of Law & Order.

And I would say that white liberals want is left the Law & Order as Republicans see it, and more actual justice. As In, Those who commit True Crimes face the consequences, hi to people are being sent to jail for a gram of marijuana in their pocket, black kids arent getting arrested in school for mouthing off the teachers, and people accused of crimes against certain protected classes with right-wing thugs aren't being murdered in the street by law enforcement
 
FarkQued
2020-10-18 1:59:07 PM  
1 vote:

Ishkur: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

Osama's not American.


two points you are making...
1) Its ok to kill proven evil murderers...
2) Only citizens of a country have rights in same country...
 
orbister
2020-10-18 3:12:53 PM  
1 vote:

GummyBearOverlord: orbister: ReaverZ: Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"

Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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Trump revoked the rule to report on civilian deaths, he has order ~2x drone strike in 4 years compared to Obama's 8, and yet you say "But Obama".

I am glad you are leaving these comments so there is a record to prove what side you were on in the history books. Enjoy telling your grandchildren your role as they look at you with horror in their eyes.


"Gramps was consistent in his opposition to killing people"#

"Good old Gramps"

I can live with that.
 
orbister
2020-10-18 3:14:54 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: orbister: President Obama and VP Clinton sent a death squad to kill someone for political advantage. It's ugly and unacceptable when Putin does it and it was ugly and unacceptable when they did it.

The decision to use a fake medical team as cover, which has undoubtedly cost thousands for further lives (mostly children) only compounded the iniquity

The vp was not Clinton. It was Biden. Suffice to say the rest of your reasoning on how the us should not have taken out an enemy combatant is hog wash that even prussia boy isn't derpy enough to make.


My bad. Secretary of State Clinton. And execution squads are still wrong, mmkay?
 
orbister
2020-10-18 3:17:37 PM  
1 vote:

g.fro: orbister: ...
Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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In a thread with some stiff competition, congratulations on the the dumbest post.


Thanks.
 
orbister
2020-10-18 3:39:53 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: So no, enemies of the US that have declared war and propagated war like attacks against the US and are not US citizens tend not to get afforded some rights. Nor do Americans that cooperate and complicit with enemies and are operating as an enemy of the US in foreign lands.


Even the USA has signed up to the Geneva Convention.
 
g.fro
2020-10-18 6:38:20 PM  
1 vote:

cretinbob: ...

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No. No, he wasn't.

You can argue about the current use of the term, but back then, it was an actual group, which as part of the KPD, was mostly in concentration camps or dead.
 
vygramul [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-10-18 8:43:54 PM  
1 vote:
The 22 political murders committed by left-wing offenders from late 1919 to mid-1922 led to 38 convictions, including 10 executions and prison sentences averaging 15 years.

By contrast, the 354 political murders committed by right-wing offenders in the same period led to 24 convictions, no executions at all, and an average sentence of 4 months, with 34 right-wing murderers who confessed to their crimes were actually acquitted by the courts.
 
NephilimNexus
2020-10-19 1:07:41 AM  
1 vote:

RottenEggs: Yeah , but that was just a show . It never really happened  . Although the mainstream media didn't have much to say about it this week . Those that did just tried to spin it off .

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billstewart
2020-10-19 2:06:49 AM  
1 vote:
The Trump Administration's position on Black Lives Matter is that it's perfectly ok for cops to kill people, at least Black people and leftists.  So no, this one won't get charged during the Trump Administration. If Biden wins, that will probably change.

However, I'm disappointed that Lieu and Rice, both of whom were elected in 2014, didn't call for investigating Obama's extrajudicial murders of Americans, specifically Anwar Al-Awlaki and his kid, who Obama had killed by drones.  Trump whines about "Obamagate", while ignoring those murders, and the whole GOP whined about Benghazi, while not impeaching Obama for his unconstitutional war against Libya.  (Politically, the latter move was effective; it helped their then-future candidate beat Hillary, even though they kept finding nothing.)
 
WDFark think for a second
2020-10-19 4:33:32 AM  
1 vote:

AllCatsAreBeautiful: Duh. Everyone knew this was a targeted assassination of an American citizen, on American soil, by the Feds. They were never going to arrest him and grant him due process in a criminal court.
/I'm just surprised they didn't drone him instead.


This.

Along with the secret police taking people off the street into unmarked vans in Portland now apparently under trump DHS has moved into death squad territory.

I guess with a larger agency that ominously has the word "Homeland " in it it was inevitable before it would devolve into authoritarian practices.
 
orbister
2020-10-19 5:46:12 AM  
1 vote:

GummyBearOverlord: orbister:

"Gramps was consistent in his opposition to killing people"#

"Good old Gramps"

I can live with that.

I will admit I jumped to a conclusion.  Did you vote for Trump?


I'm in the UK, so I didn't even get a chance not to do so. I'm a socialist (and a pacifist) so if the opportunity had arisen I would have voted for Bernie Sanders.

I am wholly opposed to state killing, in part because once you concede (one concedes, not you personally) that it's OK for a good guy like Obama to have a bad guy like bin Laden killed, the issue has become one of who counts as good and who counts as bad and my view of that might not match, to take an example at random, Vladimir Putin's.

Same with capital punishment. The state should never, ever, be in the business of killing us the people, even for very, very bad members of us the people because we never known who might one day be writing the definition of "very, very bad".
 
MBooda
2020-10-19 4:23:15 PM  
1 vote:

g.fro: orbister: ...

Exactly, so your position that America can do anything it likes as long as it hasn't actually declared war is nonsense'

WTF are you talking about? How is that my position?

My position is that in war, you kill your enemies. I never said the USA doesn't have to follow the rules; I'm saying the USA didn't break the rules.

Oh, and just as further proof you don't know what you are talking about, the conflict with Al Qaeda was declared.
Authorization for Use of Military Force 2001


Great, now we get to quibble about whether an "authorization for use of military force" is the same thing as a "declaration of conflict" or a "declaration of war."

/sorry, gotta run, i'm gonna hand out speeding tickets at daytona
 
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