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2020-10-18 10:45:51 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?

And yet Kyle Rittenhouse lives. As does Dylan roof. Shiatbags or not, we have laws and vigilante justice has no place. Funny how your diatribe ignores that.

I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".

You're upset that US Marshalls gunned downed an armed, suspected murderer, with a prior violent history.  A guy who felt so confident that he wouldn't be arrested by the local cops, that he was giving interviews.

And you believe after three years of successfully evading the FBI's and Mueller Team's attempts to nail him down as a Russian puppet, Trump's going to blithely tell some rando deputized LE dudes, "No arrests - kill on sight!"

I'd ask how stupid all that sounds but, hey, peeing on Russian hookers was a credible story too, right?

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So you're saying president best words is lying? He's the one that bragged about the marshals, who as has been pointed out repeatedly, were deputized before the operation. Trump himself bragged they didn't try to arrest him. Are you saying he's lying because I'm not. I'm going by what Trump, Mr. no more bullshiat himself said.

Are you also saying that you don't believe the evidence, intelligence assessments from US and our allies that the collusion occurred? Despite the report saying it did by Mueller, the republican led senate, the indictments, convictions, plea deals, fines and more? Because only putin and Trump are denying it.

I'll give you a moment to wipe the cheeto jizz of your chi ...


Thank you. I just put him on ignore, but you said all the things.
 
2020-10-18 10:47:00 AM  

ReaverZ: Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"


Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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2020-10-18 10:47:24 AM  
Trump claimed credit for it? Sounds like it. He didn't orchestrate a damned thing, he just thought it sounded good, something a big strong man would do.

He doesn't have the guts to order this kind of personal retribution. He's a coward. He has to call someone over the phone to fire them because he is such a coward. He couldn't plan or even order the execution of a particular target. The guy was killed and he saw the opportunity to seem strong.
 
2020-10-18 10:48:27 AM  

Roshamon: Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina


Half the people on earth have a vagina. It is not an insult.
 
2020-10-18 10:53:10 AM  

orbister: ReaverZ: Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"

Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.
 
2020-10-18 10:53:46 AM  

orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:


Osama's not American.
 
2020-10-18 10:59:41 AM  

orbister: ReaverZ: Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"

Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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Yeah , but that was just a show . It never really happened  . Although the mainstream media didn't have much to say about it this week . Those that did just tried to spin it off .
 
2020-10-18 11:03:23 AM  
Prussian_Roulette:

I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?

Adorable.

Opaque conservatives support a president who randomly spits the phrase "LAW & ORDER" like he's suffering from some form of political Tourette's.

"Law & order" used to be a phrase that included the entirety of the U.S. Justice system where the accused would be arrested, get a fair trial, sometimes with a jury of his/ her peers followed by the justice of society leveled on that person if found guilty.

It doesn't include short-circuiting the system by administering violent street justice behind a badge (or a Proud Boy t-shirt,) or interfering in said system by installing a mouth-breathing toady as AG to the point of said toady interjecting himself into the justice system to protect the president, his friends and confidants.

There is no legitimate description of the incident around Reinoehl's death that justifies his execution.  At BEST cops involved should have been immediately suspended.

Folks in Portland, even the same folks who have take to the streets for months in support of BLM, would have preferred a fair and open trial with the likelihood he would be sent to prison.  Such a trial would've had the benefit of publicly reviewing not just Reinoehl's actions, but the actions of the fascist who came to Portland looking to incite violence and the others like him.

Liberals are the ones that want a return to law and order.  Conservatives just want vigilantism.
 
2020-10-18 11:19:29 AM  

EmmaLou: Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.


The last version was George W. Bush.
 
2020-10-18 11:21:13 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.


Because ... ?
 
2020-10-18 11:25:16 AM  

orbister: Peter von Nostrand: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

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This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.

Because ... ?


Because they aren't equivalent.

Now stop.
 
2020-10-18 11:25:53 AM  
As if Republicans will hold anyone in this administration responsible for anything.
 
2020-10-18 11:26:23 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...


So you're saying president best words is lying? He's the one that bragged about the marshals, who as has been pointed out repeatedly, were deputized before the operation.


So what?  That's been SOP for a while now, after Antifa-supporting politicians explicitly refused to allow local LE to do their jobs.

Trump himself bragged they didn't try to arrest him. Are you saying he's lying because I'm not. I'm going by what Trump, Mr. no more bullshiat himself said.

Who are "they"?  You assume he meant the marshals.  I assume he meant local LE.  You know why?  Because local LE already has a past history of not arresting Antifa felons.  See local political direction above.

Are you also saying that you don't believe the evidence, intelligence assessments from US and our allies that the collusion occurred? Despite the report saying it did by Mueller, the republican led senate, the indictments, convictions, plea deals, fines and more? Because only putin and Trump are denying it.

Bunny, your multi-year, multi-agency investigation ended with "Well, we didn't find anything that was illegal, but that doesn't mean he's exonerated."  It's time to move to Stage 5.

I'll give you a moment to wipe the cheeto jizz of your chin.

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And finally in your petulant rant, you complain about sayings, yet we have a lot more actual violent acts by right wing proud boys, racists and Trump supporters than anything done by the left by you ignore direct threats from the right such as Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up protesters including saying he'd pay their legal fees, he encouraged cops to be extra rough when arresting people. But you're putting random comments on web sites on the same level as words from the preside
nt.

You typed that with a straight face?  How many months has Antifa/BLM been burning and looting across the country?  Point out on a map where Da Proud Boyz established "Autonomous Zones" where vigilante justice reigns supreme.  And who's been implementing catch-and-release with Antifa terrorists?  Isn't all of that what directly led to the Feds deputizing other agencies?  You're not very good at this.

Long story short, GFY with your BSAB false equivalency. No really, eabod.

No BSAB here.  Just one.  The side burning the country down.

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2020-10-18 11:28:26 AM  

Prussian_Roulette: I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".


Dude, put the FOX News down.

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.  It means reducing funding to police departments and demilitarizing them (removing purely military hardware such as armored vehicles that most police departments should never have under any circumstance), and diverting that funding toward social services so that police can focus on violent crimes, while things like drug addiction, homelessness, and health and welfare checks can be handled by social workers and medical experts.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

3. Punch a Nazi is good.  Nazis have shown, repeatedly, for about the last 90 years, that they exploit cultures of tolerance to spread and corrupt people.  They whine about being oppressed, until they're strong enough to be the oppressor.  Even when they're the oppressor, they STILL try to point to others as their enemies to blame all their problems on and claim to be the victim.  There is no such thing as a good Nazi, end of story.  Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ.  It got WAY more coverage on right-wing media than anywhere else, and was basically a short-lived anti-police protest that is now over.  Pretty much nobody saw it as a serious effort or proposal at a long-term replacement for police.  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.
 
2020-10-18 11:37:31 AM  

RottenEggs: Peter von Nostrand: It would be interesting to read comparisons of this guy's actions and situation compared to right wing hero Kyle Rittenhouse

The guy who shot the kiddie diddler ?


Ah, that justifies shooting people.

Private citizens killing people is alright as long as they've done something illegal.

I'm glad we have that settled.

Looks like reinhoel was in the clear as patriot prayer person was doing something illegal that night.

And Colorado shooter shot someone who was assaulting people.

Now that we have that cleared up I'm glad we have a "law and order" president.

You know, following the law is obviously important to him.  The 4th ammendment, 5th ammendment, 6th ammendment, 8th ammendment, and the 14th ammendment are just suggestions in that process of law and order.... right?
 
2020-10-18 11:40:17 AM  
Imagine if he was shot two blocks to the south.
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2020-10-18 11:40:56 AM  
chaz?  like the brother from that one movie?
 
2020-10-18 11:42:02 AM  

FarkQued: The Envoy: FarkQued: shpritz: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him

Thanks Marshalls for saving tax dollars on booking, processing, jail, trial, etc.  Don't worry I am sure some body cam footage will show the antifaTHER was in the wrong.

Thanks West Virginia for saving taxpayer dollars by realising that you can't teach a turnip and ending this perambulating potato's education in 3rd Grade.

Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were working on cars nearby Thursday, said an unmarked SUV had been parked on School Street for a while when that SUV and another converged on a man in a vehicle at the apartment complex. Smith and Cutler moved onto a grassy area about 50 yards away to watch what was happening.

The man got out of his vehicle and began to fire what they believe was an assault rifle at the SUVs. They said they heard 40 or 50 shots, then officers returned fire, hitting the man.

"It reminded me of a video game," Cutler said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article245485220.html


Yeah, that's bullshiat.

Weapon was found in duffel bag in car and one in his pocket.

Official record of the police who investigated and the "marshalls" who engaged him.

So what weapon was he firing?

Did he have some muscle spasms as he was dying and lauch rifle into sealed duffle bag into car and then shove weapon back into pocket?

I'm glad you are up to date on the official investigation.  Makes you look real smart when you use arguments made by conspiracy theorists.

It also shows how up to date you are on every other thing you have an opinion on and should be taken seriously in every thread.
 
2020-10-18 11:47:34 AM  

Mouser: Bruscar: Why is there no addendum with other House Representatives, who are not former prosecutors, as well as Senators who also support an investigation signing on? Why isn't the list of Congressmen calling for an investigation longer than my arm?

Because the allegations are bogus and intended solely to sling mud at the President during the election campaign.  Please keep up with the rest of the class.


He said it and there is proof that he never drew on the Marshalls....

But you know ride or die for mr president.

Honestly I doubt that Trump actually had anything to do with this from the getgo outside of maybe telling Barr that he wants it taken care of and maybe barr dealt with it or put it to a lackey, but Trump wants to sound like a tough guy as if he ordered it.

But it is something that should be looked at.  And if it is something that was "ordered" even by some lackey of Barr's it should be punished.  Idgaf what side of the aisle you are on.  We have a constitution and it should be followed.
 
2020-10-18 11:49:27 AM  

Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette: I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".

Dude, put the FOX News down.

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.  It means reducing funding to police departments and demilitarizing them (removing purely military hardware such as armored vehicles that most police departments should never have under any circumstance), and diverting that funding toward social services so that police can focus on violent crimes, while things like drug addiction, homelessness, and health and welfare checks can be handled by social workers and medical experts.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

3. Punch a Nazi is good.  Nazis have shown, repeatedly, for about the last 90 years, that they exploit cultures of tolerance to spread and corrupt people.  They whine about being oppressed, until they're strong enough to be the oppressor.  Even when they're the oppressor, they STILL try to point to others as their enemies to blame all their problems on and claim to be the victim.  There is no such thing as a good Nazi, end of story.  Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ.  It got WAY more coverage on right-wing media than anywhere else, and was basically a short-lived anti-police protest that is now over.  Pretty much nobody saw it as a serious effort or proposal at a long-term replacement for police.  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.


bro you had me for the first two, but I still maintain as I always have that punching someone for saying words is wrong, period. especially since farkers tend to be overly liberal (no pun intended) in labeling folks as nazis. I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action, and then using such a label as license for physical violence. if you're not for the first amendment protecting the most abhorrent speech, you're not for the first amendment. I also like how for your last point you both cite no sources and just speak for all those people assertively
 
2020-10-18 11:49:49 AM  

way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?


None of those things warrant this disturbing violation of due process guaranteed to every shiatbag murderer by the Constitution.
 
2020-10-18 11:53:18 AM  

BizarreMan: cretinbob: Apparently these " marshals" were hastily deputized and were guys like corrections officers and other people who were not career marshals.
Makes you wonder why that is.

The professionals couldn't be counted on to carry out the extra judicial execution?


More like refused to do so.   if it can be proven trump ordered the man killed rather than arrested he should be arrested for 1st degree murder.
 
2020-10-18 11:53:49 AM  

zippyZRX: winedrinkingman: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

Until it's not.
Selective prosecution.
Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

You have a constitutional right to self defense, so if you reasonably believe your life is in danger, that supersedes the law against discharging of a firearm.

That said, simply having a gun on you, even if you are carrying it illegally, is not grounds to be killed by the police. If it were, the police would be justified in opening fire on all the militia guys, because every state has laws against private militias that make it illegal for private individuals to carry out their own private police/military operations.  You can use a gun to defend your home, but the minute you set up a perimeter around someone else's property "to protect it" you are breaking the law, unless their life is in immediate danger.

Third thing, even if the shooting was a hundred percent legit and self defense on the part of the cops here, and Trump gave no order for them to make the shooting, but is claiming to have done so after the fact, it would be grounds to have any cases against anyone else that may have been working with the victim, thrown out, and it opens the government to civil lawsuits.  

Finally, it is illegal as hell for a president to order the killing of an American, even one who is suspected of committing a crime, so giving such an order, even if it ends up the cops did not follow it, or were unaware that such an order had been given, means the president is guilty of a serious felony, so Trump is in fact claiming he committed murder by giving such an order.

What pisses me off is that every conservative I know is just gonna turn red in the face, and stomp their feet, and angrily c ...

https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-lawsuit-american-boy-killed-us-drone-strike

You gonna arrest Obama or you wanna admit you arent shiat?


Yes, people aiding and abetting terrorists in a foreign (hostile) country is totally the same as having somebody who killed 1 person executed on American soil.

Totally the same.  No differences in those at.

/s

Don't get me wrong.  Obama's drone program was appalling and he should be held to account for it, just like Bush and just like Trump (drone strike tempo is actually higher under Trump than Obama), but your false equivalences are false.

The moment you leave the country to fight with enemy combatants AGAINST the United States you become an enemy combatant.  Sorry you can't tell the difference between the two.  Should actually... just maybe, actually look into applicable laws?
 
2020-10-18 11:54:38 AM  

FarkQued: herp a derp


I've been meaning to ask:  how DO you GOP boys take that alien covid-causing semen Team Trump yammers about?

Orally?

Anally?
 
2020-10-18 11:58:32 AM  

splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,


Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.
 
2020-10-18 11:59:30 AM  

Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...


So you're saying president best words is lying? He's the one that bragged about the marshals, who as has been pointed out repeatedly, were deputized before the operation.

So what?  That's been SOP for a while now, after Antifa-supporting politicians explicitly refused to allow local LE to do their jobs.

Trump himself bragged they didn't try to arrest him. Are you saying he's lying because I'm not. I'm going by what Trump, Mr. no more bullshiat himself said.

Who are "they"?  You assume he meant the marshals.  I assume he meant local LE.  You know why?  Because local LE already has a past history of not arresting Antifa felons.  See local political direction above.

Are you also saying that you don't believe the evidence, intelligence assessments from US and our allies that the collusion occurred? Despite the report saying it did by Mueller, the republican led senate, the indictments, convictions, plea deals, fines and more? Because only putin and Trump are denying it.

Bunny, your multi-year, multi-agency investigation ended with "Well, we didn't find anything that was illegal, but that doesn't mean he's exonerated."  It's time to move to Stage 5.

I'll give you a moment to wipe the cheeto jizz of your chin.

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And finally in your petulant rant, you complain about sayings, yet we have a lot more actual violent acts by right wing proud boys, racists and Trump supporters than anything done by the left by you ignore direct threats from the right such as Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up protesters including saying he'd pay their legal fees, he encouraged cops to be extra rough when arresting people. But you're putting random comments on web sites on the same level as words from the president.

You typed that with a straight face?  How many months has Antifa/BLM been burning and looting across the country?  Point out on a map where Da Proud Boyz established "Autonomous Zones" where vigilante justice reigns supreme.  And who's been implementing catch-and-release with Antifa terrorists?  Isn't all of that what directly led to the Feds deputizing other agencies?  You're not very good at this.

Long story short, GFY with your BSAB false equivalency. No really, eabod.

No BSAB here.  Just one.  The side burning the country down.

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That's a funny gif. The rest sounds like it's written by someone that believes that Hillary was running a pedo ring out of a pizza parlor.
 
2020-10-18 12:06:52 PM  

splelps: way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?

yeah that does seem like the usual disingenuous "it's okay if our guy does it" shiat that any wing nut seems to love

having said that Trump bragging about this is super sus and the government openly murdering its own citizens would be a million times worse than what the victim in THIS case may have done in THAT one


I thought we had due process?

As far as the constitution is concerned he is not guilty because he never had a trial, never had the opportunity to defend himself or confront his accuser.

It's funny that you say that while commenting on this person's post, because if you look at any said persons posts in threads where the right wing rally around them (see: st. Louis dumbass lawyers, rittenhouse, Georgia guys that shot jogger) you'll find them saying that we can't call them murderers or say they did anything illegal since they haven't been tried yet in a court of law and found guilty.

But you come into threads where one of the people killed is their own and it's "murderer this, murderer that."

We have laws, we have constitutional rights.  The partisan hackery is on one side.  Reonhoel is probably a murderer.  We will never know though.  And this is why people are protesting.  It isn't the police job to mete out justice, it is their job to bring those people in to get judged in a court of law.  It is our constitutional rights.

So if we want to be fair and balanced ™ in this situation and actually act like the right does....

As far as reinhoel's victim goes we will treat it the same as they've treated the minorities killed by police "don't start none if you don't want none."  He was driving around macing people and shooting them with paintballs.

Does that actually deserve to be killed?  Fark no.  But here we are.  It'a the defense of every single person who has killed someone on the left from the right.  So I'm just being fair here.
 
2020-10-18 12:08:21 PM  

Charletron: Mouser: Bruscar: Why is there no addendum with other House Representatives, who are not former prosecutors, as well as Senators who also support an investigation signing on? Why isn't the list of Congressmen calling for an investigation longer than my arm?

Because the allegations are bogus and intended solely to sling mud at the President during the election campaign.  Please keep up with the rest of the class.

What did Trump mean by "they didn't want to arrest him?"


This is not a defence of Mouser, but Trump meant exactly the same with that statement as he did with "Man, Woman, Person, Camera, TV".

"Look how awesome I am!"
 
2020-10-18 12:09:04 PM  

Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.


I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

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4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.


They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.
 
2020-10-18 12:14:59 PM  

PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.


This is absolutely not against you, but I really hate this quibbling over who is and isn't a Nazi.  The number of times in my life I've seen someone called a Nazi who didn't at all even slightly deserve it I can count on one hand.  Except for "feminazi," because that was a thing for a long-ass time and it was always stupid and misogynistic and deliberately dishonest.  But actually calling someone a "Nazi"?  This isn't something that I've seen people just throw casually around like it doesn't matter.  People have certainly been calling people Nazis more in the last few years than I've ever seen people do it before, but that's because more people are unabashedly acting like Nazis, not because we're playing too fast and loose with the word.

If you find yourself taking exception to someone being called a Nazi, you're probably a Nazi yourself, or you're damn close enough that we might as well call you that.  People who help and collaborate with Nazis are Nazis.  Everyone else knows exactly what's being said and why.
 
2020-10-18 12:16:56 PM  

EmmaLou: Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.

Biden needs to win, and things like this need to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. This country cannot withstand more of this kind of "leadership." The fact that it possibly happened at all shows we're already broken.



Forty-three previous Presidents knew how to keep their mouth shut and were surrounded with people who knew what they're doing, did it mostly under the radar until was too late, and did it well.


/GW was new to the job, and killed on the battlefield
//Carter - nice guy who lost a bet
 
2020-10-18 12:17:48 PM  
I guess whatever they have to do to derail an election is fair game for those people.
 
2020-10-18 12:19:42 PM  

PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.


bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard
 
2020-10-18 12:20:26 PM  

Roshamon: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina


Bullshiat. You owe a heartfelt apology to a fictional Ultimate Boss from literature.

Sauron was once one of the celestial beings created by the One before the beginning of the world.
Piggy McTinyhands is barely human.

Alone of Morgoth's minions, Sauron was smart enough to survive the end of the First Age and escape captivity by the Valar.
Emperor Hirocheeto isn't smart enough to STFU when doing so would be in his best interest.

Sauron was competent.
Nuff said.
 
2020-10-18 12:21:52 PM  
They should be drawing up Impeachment papers based upon Trump's statements alone.  I'm really farking upset with House Democrats.  So much for justice for all.
 
2020-10-18 12:22:40 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.

I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

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4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.

They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.


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2020-10-18 12:24:11 PM  

Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette: Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.

I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

[Fark user image 212x256]

4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.

They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.

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^^^

prime example of someone with no good counterargument
 
2020-10-18 12:27:49 PM  

splelps: PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.

bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard


Exactly what Nazi propaganda are you willing to defend as not actually being Nazi propaganda?  Show your work.
 
2020-10-18 12:35:34 PM  

splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action


The fark is this goalpost and who put it there? "Actively vying for political office" was never a constraint on who we could or could not call a Nazi.
 
2020-10-18 12:39:03 PM  

libranoelrose: orbister: Peter von Nostrand: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x566]

This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.

Because ... ?

Because they aren't equivalent.

Now stop.


President Obama and VP Clinton sent a death squad to kill someone for political advantage. It's ugly and unacceptable when Putin does it and it was ugly and unacceptable when they did it.

The decision to use a fake medical team as cover, which has undoubtedly cost thousands for further lives (mostly children) only compounded the iniquity
 
2020-10-18 12:39:31 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: Peter von Nostrand: way south: Interesting...   Why say "a guy" instead of saying that guy was the shiatbag murderer who gunned someone down in Portland and then evaded arrest before giving a vlog interview to brag about it and getting in a shootout with cops?

And yet Kyle Rittenhouse lives. As does Dylan roof. Shiatbags or not, we have laws and vigilante justice has no place. Funny how your diatribe ignores that.

I'm sorry, when did enlightened progressives suddenly care about laws?  Stop me if these popular catch phrases sound like what people who support anything other than the Law of the Jungle would say: "Defund the Police" "ACAB" "Punch a Nazi" "Welcome to CHAZ, pay your protection fee".

You're upset that US Marshalls gunned downed an armed, suspected murderer, with a prior violent history.  A guy who felt so confident that he wouldn't be arrested by the local cops, that he was giving interviews.

And you believe after three years of successfully evading the FBI's and Mueller Team's attempts to nail him down as a Russian puppet, Trump's going to blithely tell some rando deputized LE dudes, "No arrests - kill on sight!"

I'd ask how stupid all that sounds but, hey, peeing on Russian hookers was a credible story too, right?

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The derp is strong with this one.  Progressives care about laws.  Mainly what we want is for them to be applied equally and with equal force.

We also want to improve the laws based on societal learnings so we can avoid systemic problems that lead to undesirable outcomes.  For example, treating drug problems versus having police beat / shoot drug addicts then locking them away never addressing the underlying issue.
 
2020-10-18 12:40:05 PM  

austerity101: splelps: PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.

bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard

Exactly what Nazi propaganda are you willing to defend as not actually being Nazi propaganda?  Show your work.


I'm not gonna let that shiat attempt to frame this your way slide. if something has been posted in the comments for this article that you or someone else has attempted to label as nazi propaganda, I'd be happy to take a look and offer my perspective (as another nobody commenter) on whether or not I believe it to be nazi propaganda. but as far as I can tell that hasn't happened yet
 
2020-10-18 12:46:04 PM  

orbister: President Obama and VP Clinton sent a death squad to kill someone for political advantage. It's ugly and unacceptable when Putin does it and it was ugly and unacceptable when they did it.

The decision to use a fake medical team as cover, which has undoubtedly cost thousands for further lives (mostly children) only compounded the iniquity


At least you agree we should punish leaders for their murders.
 
2020-10-18 12:46:17 PM  

splelps: austerity101: splelps: PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.

bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard

Exactly what Nazi propaganda are you willing to defend as not actually being Nazi propaganda?  Show your work.

I'm not gonna let that shiat attempt to frame this your way slide. if something has been posted in the comments for this article that you or someone else has attempted to label as nazi propaganda, I'd be happy to take a look and offer my perspective (as another nobody commenter) on whether or not I believe it to be nazi propaganda. but as far as I can tell that hasn't happened yet


You are the one who brought it up, jackass.
 
2020-10-18 12:47:16 PM  

orbister: ReaverZ: Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"

Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x566]


Trump revoked the rule to report on civilian deaths, he has order ~2x drone strike in 4 years compared to Obama's 8, and yet you say "But Obama".

I am glad you are leaving these comments so there is a record to prove what side you were on in the history books. Enjoy telling your grandchildren your role as they look at you with horror in their eyes.
 
2020-10-18 12:49:57 PM  

austerity101: splelps: austerity101: splelps: PunGent: splelps: I would argue that it's a stretch too far to call anyone not occupying or vying for public office (or in any other way attempting to gain real power) a nazi based off words and no action,

Counterpoint:  spewing Nazi propaganda helps Nazis, even if the spewer doesn't seek power himself.

bro that's a bad counterpoint because first of all, how? second, who gets to decide what nazi propaganda is? third, still doesn't justify physical violence. I mean take all the farkers who go on and on about Obama having "no real controversies" or some shiat like that, how many punches do they deserve in light of this drone strike business someone just mentioned? I would still say zero, but if you would too then that would be what we call a double standard

Exactly what Nazi propaganda are you willing to defend as not actually being Nazi propaganda?  Show your work.

I'm not gonna let that shiat attempt to frame this your way slide. if something has been posted in the comments for this article that you or someone else has attempted to label as nazi propaganda, I'd be happy to take a look and offer my perspective (as another nobody commenter) on whether or not I believe it to be nazi propaganda. but as far as I can tell that hasn't happened yet

You are the one who brought it up, jackass.


the other thing I love is how polite everyone is here. but that's irrelevant. if you simply look at the posts YOU have just included in yours as quotes, you would see that I was not the one to bring up nazi propaganda
 
2020-10-18 12:50:30 PM  

orbister: libranoelrose: orbister: Peter von Nostrand: orbister: Two politicians watching an extrajudicial execution they ordered:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x566]

This is, and I'm including the comment from Prussian Trump hog gobbler, the dumbest thing I may read all f'n week.

Because ... ?

Because they aren't equivalent.

Now stop.

President Obama and VP Clinton sent a death squad to kill someone for political advantage. It's ugly and unacceptable when Putin does it and it was ugly and unacceptable when they did it.

The decision to use a fake medical team as cover, which has undoubtedly cost thousands for further lives (mostly children) only compounded the iniquity


The vp was not Clinton. It was Biden. Suffice to say the rest of your reasoning on how the us should not have taken out an enemy combatant is hog wash that even prussia boy isn't derpy enough to make.
 
2020-10-18 12:54:13 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: Invisible Obama: Prussian_Roulette:

Dude, put the FOX News down.

I'll keep this short, since I don't know what the Fark "wall of text" limiters are...

1. "Defund the Police", doesn't mean that anyone wants to completely abolish all law enforcement.

It's literally the first quote on the Defund the Police website: "Abolishing the police does not mean the abolishing of community safety."  People are explicitly advocating for it, and not on Qanon.  Even members of Congress have openly called for it.

2. "ACAB" is a short acronym or slogan that is an indictment of modern American law enforcement culture, of the idea that there's pervasive racism in American policing and a strong "us vs. them" atmosphere where police now see themselves more as an occupying army rather than members of the community there to help people, and they have no problem lying, deceiving, or misleading everyday people if it helps them get more arrests, rather than helping people and helping the community.

Well, "ALL cops are bad" certainly does establish an "us vs them" culture, doesn't it?  In fact, if ALL cops are bad, then how do you justify NOT abolishing the police?

3. Punch a Nazi is good...Letting them walk around and spread their ideology is sewing ideological poison, spreading toxic memes like an infectious mental virus. . .the only proper response to Nazis is swift and overwhelming force.

I can't put my finger on why you're not convincing me you have the moral high ground here - oh, wait...

[Fark user image image 212x256]

4. The vast majority of leftists and progressives in the country really didn't give a shiat about CHAZ....  Also, we never heard much in the way of complaints from the residents of that area objecting to it.  They seemed fine with it.

They did, huh?  Then I guess they're not worried about their Yelp ratings, either.


Laura Ingraham giving Trump a nazi salute at the 2016 RNC. It was not condemned by any Republicans. So, if the nazi shoe fits, Republicans should get used to wearing it.

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2020-10-18 12:57:28 PM  
People opposed to punching Nazis are either: hardcore pacifists or Nazis. I'd call supporting the end of Nazi punching Nazi propaganda.
 
2020-10-18 1:11:47 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: monsatano: Twilight Farkle: [YouTube video: Capital T (Capital G/Nine Inch Nails Trump Remix)]

Year Zero explained what would happen if we let the policies of the Bush II administration run their natural course. We didn't listen.

[YouTube video: The Warning]

To be fair, that's because most people haven't heard of Year Zero, and the mix of that song is so bad you can barely hear the singer over the music.


You mean Trents 15x platinum album that yielded 8 #1 singles? That Album?

Oh wait. Nine Inch Nails is not Garth Brooks. He's awesome, but nobody listens to them.
 
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