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2020-10-17 8:41:03 PM  
You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.
 
2020-10-17 8:41:50 PM  
toyota everything lasts the longest.
 
2020-10-17 8:44:24 PM  

Stephen_Falken: toyota everything lasts the longest.


Yep but also costs above what it should.

Ram for a work truck. Hands down.
 
2020-10-17 8:46:08 PM  

Wanebo: Stephen_Falken: toyota everything lasts the longest.

Yep but also costs above what it should.

Ram for a work truck. Hands down.


Ram does have the most affordable work trucks
 
2020-10-17 8:46:17 PM  
Lots of choices besides what make. How big and or heavy are the things you want to haul? Going to tow a trailer? Do you need or want 4 wheel drive? Regular cab, crew cab, or in between? What's your budget? How many miles do you plan to drive it each year?
 
2020-10-17 8:49:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Wanebo: Stephen_Falken: toyota everything lasts the longest.

Yep but also costs above what it should.

Ram for a work truck. Hands down.

Ram does have the most affordable work trucks


And the worst gas mileage.
 
2020-10-17 8:51:37 PM  
Be sure to get the kind where you can record your hot takes about the SJWs and socialism for your YouTube channel.
 
2020-10-17 8:51:48 PM  
You can set my truck on fire, roll it down a hill
But I still wouldn't trade it for a Coupe DeVille
It's got an eight foot bed that never has to be made
You know if it weren't for trucks we wouldn't have tailgates
I met all my wives in traffic jams,
You know there's something women like about a Pickup Man
 
2020-10-17 8:52:25 PM  

Fingerware Error: Do you need or want 4 wheel drive?


Definitely.

Fingerware Error: Regular cab, crew cab, or in between?


I rarely, rarely drive around with more than one person.

Fingerware Error: What's your budget?


Not a factor.

Fingerware Error: How many miles do you plan to drive it each year?


I have a few cars right now. A 2004 has 40,000. A 2018 has 11,000.  A 2019 has 4,000.  Probably not that many. 10,000 a year would be out there.
 
2020-10-17 8:52:29 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: cameroncrazy1984: Wanebo: Stephen_Falken: toyota everything lasts the longest.

Yep but also costs above what it should.

Ram for a work truck. Hands down.

Ram does have the most affordable work trucks

And the worst gas mileage.


The VVT actually makes them more the norm in gas mileage.
 
2020-10-17 8:53:03 PM  

Stephen_Falken: toyota everything lasts the longest.


I keep hearing that. I like features like "don't kill the pedestrian" too.
 
2020-10-17 8:54:47 PM  

Shostie: Be sure to get the kind where you can record your hot takes about the SJWs and socialism for your YouTube channel.


You have to wear mirrored sunglasses in your profile picture though
 
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2020-10-17 8:57:53 PM  
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2020-10-17 9:04:59 PM  

Stephen_Falken: toyota everything lasts the longest.


Same here. I had a ford 150 that the transmission dropped out of, POS.  If you have extra money and extra time then buy the 150 and the repair bills. It is a cool truck unlike the Tundra.
 
2020-10-17 9:06:02 PM  
The invincible Toyota 
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2020-10-17 9:08:00 PM  

flucto: 10,000 a year would be out there.


Don't worry about gas mileage. Fuel cost will be a small part of the cost of ownership.

Check new and certified pre-owned for each brand you like to see how much they depreciate. The 4 wheel drives now should all have traction control so you don't need a limited slip differential.

Now you need to drive them to see what fits you. Are all controls where you can easily find them in the dark or in situations where you need to keep your eyes on the road? Can you easily see all the gauges and idiot lights with your hands on the wheel? Do you have blind spots where you can't see traffic as you sit comfortably?
 
2020-10-17 9:12:07 PM  
Butt stuff.


/also, get the Toyota if reliability and durability are even marginally important to you
//also also, more butt stuff
 
2020-10-17 9:15:21 PM  
Ask around about the construction of the boxes. A lot of the boxes these days are at best aluminum with no reenforcement option (you can always stick in steel with some after market product) but if you think there's going to be a lot of abuse, forewarned is forearmed.

Apparently Ford's F-150 is the best selling pick up on the planet, Parts will be easy to find. That aside, a mechanic I knew swore by GM transmissions but my knowledge may be out of date here. Who cares? Well, to state the obvious if you're hauling heavy materials, not merely oversized, the transmission is will take a beating.

* All sound systems are the same.
* Look at older versions of what you're settling on. See how the fit and finish holds up after a few years.
* The suspension matters a lot. Most pickups with live axles use leaf springs, Chrysler, typically has to be different and uses coils. Do your research.
• Two guys I know swear by Toyota.
 
2020-10-17 9:16:08 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.


Yeah, this.

What kinds of stuff does subby plan on hauling?
 
2020-10-17 9:16:09 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.


I kind of disagree. Assuming the 6 foot bed has decent tiedown points, sure. But plywood or a load of studs has a tendency to slide backwards a six foot bed. Where (at least with older ones) the 8 foot bed actually angled toward the cab so everything shifted forward.
 
2020-10-17 9:20:54 PM  
I've had 2 F-150s. The first was a lease. The second I bought with 71k miles on it. It now has 253. Had to rebuild the trans once and put a new intake manifold on, but that's it besides normal stuff. Still hauls the boat too.
 
2020-10-17 9:21:05 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.

Yeah, this.

What kinds of stuff does subby plan on hauling?


pallets of plantains
 
2020-10-17 9:23:18 PM  

gaslight: • Two guys I know swear by Toyota.


I do too.

We've owned Fords and a Dodge.  Even just driving, the Toyota is much pleasanter.   Not sure what the word would be, but I think of it as more "fluid", not like driving a tank.  And that's with 4WD even.

We have the "access cab" with the suicide doors and a couple of jump seats.   Which works fine for us.  The kids are gone (mostly) and behind the seats works fine for groceries plus a 50# bag of whatever.
 
2020-10-17 9:25:37 PM  

hobnail: Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.

I kind of disagree. Assuming the 6 foot bed has decent tiedown points, sure. But plywood or a load of studs has a tendency to slide backwards a six foot bed. Where (at least with older ones) the 8 foot bed actually angled toward the cab so everything shifted forward.


Well, you can leave that gate up and have them just stick over the gate.  If you have so much lumber that that is impractical, then the load is likely too heavy to slide.

Also, 8 foot beds are rare, making them more expensive, and parking them can be a biatch.  Especially if you have an extended cab.

//former contractor who got the job done with a 6 foot bed.
 
2020-10-17 9:29:44 PM  
I'm for 8 ft beds, Chev trucks, 3 out of 4 pu owned now over 250k miles each. Toyota was great til my oldest rolled it showing off and it burned. Older toyota, 90s, easy repairs, like the chevys. Off lease if you can find. I like longer  campers . Rarely use the four wheel, if ever and go anywhere. Once a road trip in the oldest  2 wheel drive chevy to Guatemala on the spur of the moment from norcal. 4 wheel in crap snow maybe.
 
2020-10-17 9:32:03 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: hobnail: Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.

I kind of disagree. Assuming the 6 foot bed has decent tiedown points, sure. But plywood or a load of studs has a tendency to slide backwards a six foot bed. Where (at least with older ones) the 8 foot bed actually angled toward the cab so everything shifted forward.

Well, you can leave that gate up and have them just stick over the gate.  If you have so much lumber that that is impractical, then the load is likely too heavy to slide.

Also, 8 foot beds are rare, making them more expensive, and parking them can be a biatch.  Especially if you have an extended cab.

//former contractor who got the job done with a 6 foot bed.


It may not be an issue with every make. I helped a friend haul a big load of lumber in a Toyota that shifted pretty significantly on us, fortunately we hadn't gone far and tied it down more thoroughly.  I also saw a guy lose an entire load of plywood pulling away from a stoplight on a slight grade. (Don't remember the make).So I'm extra leery.

But yeah, 8 foot beds are like hens' teeth and there are ways around it obviously.
 
2020-10-17 9:35:04 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: gaslight: • Two guys I know swear by Toyota.

I do too.

We've owned Fords and a Dodge.  Even just driving, the Toyota is much pleasanter.   Not sure what the word would be, but I think of it as more "fluid", not like driving a tank.  And that's with 4WD even.

We have the "access cab" with the suicide doors and a couple of jump seats.   Which works fine for us.  The kids are gone (mostly) and behind the seats works fine for groceries plus a 50# bag of whatever.


I test-drove a Taco and it felt basically like a Wrangler. Just not the most pleasant drive
 
2020-10-17 9:38:34 PM  
I'd agree a lot on the Toyota comments re: resale value and reliability.  I don't think the Toyota trucks get very good mileage though.  Pretty much no truck is going to do that although Ford is trying with their Eco-Boost engine options.  The new Ranger looks pretty nice.

So a lot depends on:

1 what you might haul
2 how many people (usually 1 covered upthread)
3 money (also covered)
4 how far/long do you intend to keep it (mileage/years)
5 convenience factors (like I'm tall so I'd like at least an extra cab if not a crew cab)
6 also, for me I'd consider locations of dealers and whether you like/trust them for service/warranty things (the nearest Toyota dealer for me is over 75 miles away for instance)
 
2020-10-17 9:41:56 PM  

King Something: Butt stuff.


/also, get the Toyota if reliability and durability are even marginally important to you
//also also, more butt stuff


Frame rust on Toyota's.  No go.
 
2020-10-17 9:42:33 PM  

hobnail: Ow! That was my feelings!: hobnail: Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.

I kind of disagree. Assuming the 6 foot bed has decent tiedown points, sure. But plywood or a load of studs has a tendency to slide backwards a six foot bed. Where (at least with older ones) the 8 foot bed actually angled toward the cab so everything shifted forward.

Well, you can leave that gate up and have them just stick over the gate.  If you have so much lumber that that is impractical, then the load is likely too heavy to slide.

Also, 8 foot beds are rare, making them more expensive, and parking them can be a biatch.  Especially if you have an extended cab.

//former contractor who got the job done with a 6 foot bed.

It may not be an issue with every make. I helped a friend haul a big load of lumber in a Toyota that shifted pretty significantly on us, fortunately we hadn't gone far and tied it down more thoroughly.  I also saw a guy lose an entire load of plywood pulling away from a stoplight on a slight grade. (Don't remember the make).So I'm extra leery.

But yeah, 8 foot beds are like hens' teeth and there are ways around it obviously.


Do non Tundras have enough width between wheel wells to lay down a 4 foot wide sheet?  Might be the issue.

Sticks on the bottom, sheets on top.  Never had a load slide on me.
 
2020-10-17 9:44:41 PM  
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2020-10-17 9:44:57 PM  
GMC
 
2020-10-17 9:46:38 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: hobnail: Ow! That was my feelings!: hobnail: Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.

I kind of disagree. Assuming the 6 foot bed has decent tiedown points, sure. But plywood or a load of studs has a tendency to slide backwards a six foot bed. Where (at least with older ones) the 8 foot bed actually angled toward the cab so everything shifted forward.

Well, you can leave that gate up and have them just stick over the gate.  If you have so much lumber that that is impractical, then the load is likely too heavy to slide.

Also, 8 foot beds are rare, making them more expensive, and parking them can be a biatch.  Especially if you have an extended cab.

//former contractor who got the job done with a 6 foot bed.

It may not be an issue with every make. I helped a friend haul a big load of lumber in a Toyota that shifted pretty significantly on us, fortunately we hadn't gone far and tied it down more thoroughly.  I also saw a guy lose an entire load of plywood pulling away from a stoplight on a slight grade. (Don't remember the make).So I'm extra leery.

But yeah, 8 foot beds are like hens' teeth and there are ways around it obviously.

Do non Tundras have enough width between wheel wells to lay down a 4 foot wide sheet?  Might be the issue.

Sticks on the bottom, sheets on top.  Never had a load slide on me.


Dunno. We were hauling studs.
 
2020-10-17 9:51:05 PM  
Don't overthink it.  Ford sells a million F150s a year.
 
2020-10-17 9:54:00 PM  
Ford. Since 2015 they're made with aluminum. You won't get rust. It is reliable and doesn't break. I'd go with the V-6 twin turbocharged unless you're hauling a LOT of weight. Good luck finding one with an 8ft bed.
 
2020-10-17 9:54:49 PM  

WTFDYW: King Something: Butt stuff.


/also, get the Toyota if reliability and durability are even marginally important to you
//also also, more butt stuff

Frame rust on Toyota's.  No go.


Sure, if you capsize it in a freshwater lake.

Salt water is fine. Heavy water is probably also fine. Just keep the Tacoma away from freshwater and you'll be fine.
 
2020-10-17 10:01:07 PM  

Stephen_Falken: toyota everything lasts the longest.


And can rain fire upon your enemies

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2020-10-17 10:12:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I test-drove a Taco and it felt basically like a Wrangler. Just not the most pleasant drive


I "test drove" a few tacos back before I got married. They were mostly pleasant, but some were obviously used.
 
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2020-10-17 10:17:04 PM  
Number of expected passengers and/or cab configuration?

Trucks with 8' beds are less common but are still available, but it may be difficult to find a "half-ton" club-cab with an 8' bed.

My general take...  Fords are the best-selling because they're the least expensive to meet all of the needs that fleet-buyers have on-paper.  Dodges/Rams have some of the most comfortable interiors and are engineered better than the Fords and are more expensive, but the interiors are not as durable for the long term.  GMCs/Chevrolets sit in-between.

Next, weight class.  A "half-ton" has a cargo capacity well above half a ton, but it's still limited.  The heaver light-trucks have much higher cargo capacity but unloaded their ride suffers accordingly.  So as a buyer you need to consider how much weight you're going to carry and how often.  If you need to carry 1300lb only rarely and are generally half that most of the time there's a load, the half-ton will suffice and will ride nicer when empty.  If you're regularly carrying that 1300lb, go with the "three-quarter ton".

As for engines, bear in mind that even the smallest engines that automakers put in these trucks are loads more powerful than the small engines put into trucks twenty years ago.  That Ram with the 3.6L V6 is probably actually good enough unless you're constantly driving up in the mountains.

If you want longevity then a manual transmission is probably the best choice, but those are less common.
 
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2020-10-17 10:17:59 PM  

beezeltown: cameroncrazy1984: I test-drove a Taco and it felt basically like a Wrangler. Just not the most pleasant drive

I "test drove" a few tacos back before I got married. They were mostly pleasant, but some were obviously used.


Just stay away from the rentals, given the abuse they sustain from uncaring customers.
 
2020-10-17 10:20:43 PM  
Get a 3/4 ton. I've been quite pleased with my Denali Diesel. Pulls horse trailer, flatbed, hauls my tractor, and never breaks a sweat.

And the interior is quiet and civilized.

Sure, you get the folks making compensation jokes, but haters gonna hate.

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2020-10-17 10:27:53 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.

Yeah, this.

What kinds of stuff does subby plan on hauling?


Lumber or firewood? Mulch.  In 50 years I have only owned one short bed and for me it was a mistake. I have 4 foot sides on my 8 foot bed for hauling sawdust.  I hauled ponies.  On most farms it's all 8 foot beds.
 
2020-10-17 10:33:58 PM  

Schlubbe: Get a 3/4 ton. I've been quite pleased with my Denali Diesel. Pulls horse trailer, flatbed, hauls my tractor, and never breaks a sweat.

And the interior is quiet and civilized.

Sure, you get the folks making compensation jokes, but haters gonna hate.

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Mines a Silverado, Cherry Maroon or whatever.  fark the haters.
 
2020-10-17 10:36:44 PM  

WTFDYW: Ford. Since 2015 they're made with aluminum. You won't get rust. It is reliable and doesn't break. I'd go with the V-6 twin turbocharged unless you're hauling a LOT of weight. Good luck finding one with an 8ft bed.


farking Ford exhaust bullshiat must be the one thing humans assemble instead of the robots.
All three of my Fords broke the exhaust at the manifold. Widely varied years.

// the 250 has 320k miles
 
2020-10-17 10:39:26 PM  

WTFDYW: Ford. Since 2015 they're made with aluminum. You won't get rust. It is reliable and doesn't break. I'd go with the V-6 twin turbocharged unless you're hauling a LOT of weight. Good luck finding one with an 8ft bed.


With the internet it is easy. I wanted a new Ford long bed 6 cyl XL not the XLT and found 3 within 100 miles or so. You just have to look online. I was also stuck on the white color so that narrowed it down to one. The aluminum bed gives under your feet a little. Funny they used to call this the standard bed. I have owned 8 foot crew cab but would never need a 4 door. I love my 150 long bed. I'm in demand to move things for friends who have short bed trucks so there is that downside.
 
2020-10-17 10:43:12 PM  
Good luck finding an 8 ft bed on anything other than a base trim model, but they are out there. I'm not a brand loyalist so I've had all of three. Currently in a 2014 Chevy. 175k, and other than routine maintenance the only issue I've had was a short in a front impact sensor. Fords are nice, but when I was looking they refused to deal so I bailed.

The current Fords and Chevy are ass ugly in my opinion. Ram is still a good looking truck. But that is all personal preference. Whatever you get, vinyl floors or WeatherTech floor liners are great. I hate nasty carpet.
 
2020-10-17 10:44:20 PM  
In my stupid, not gonna buy a truck, opinion, a Dodge Mega Cab with the short bed (6' bed, drop the gate to get 8') would be my choice.
 
2020-10-17 10:48:19 PM  
Get anything you like, but get it in a red, white, or black that matches rustoleum in a rattle can.
 
2020-10-17 10:52:04 PM  
I went with a RAM 2500 work truck, 6.4 liter gasser, and have been pleased for 5 years now.  I pull a 10k pound travel trailer through the hills of east TN with no problems.  At the time it seemed a better value for the money than Ford or Chevy, and the gasser was 7k or so cheaper than diesel.  Mine's a short bed but I regularly see the 8 foot versions around here.  I say test drive one and see what you think.
 
2020-10-17 10:58:17 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Ow! That was my feelings!: You almost certainly don't need an 8 foot bed.  6 foot bed, drop the tailgate, tada...8 feet.

Yeah, this.

What kinds of stuff does subby plan on hauling?


Ass?
 
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