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2020-10-17 11:02:11 AM  
This is a treaty dispute. Take them to court if you feel you have a grievance. Friggin assholes.

Or, turn your gaze to Clearwater. They're a real villian in this story.
 
2020-10-17 2:14:59 PM  
Ayup
 
2020-10-17 2:17:09 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ayup


It's "ayuh," flatlandah.
 
2020-10-17 2:17:53 PM  
And of course the RCMP stand by while a bunch of white fisherman terrorize First Nations people. The RCMP was formed as a paramilitary organization to oppress Canada's Native population.

#ACAB
 
2020-10-17 2:19:15 PM  
I suspect Italian Mobsters
 
2020-10-17 2:19:20 PM  
MASHUP - SLAY-52s - "Raining Lobsters"
Youtube mnrfqPoX4WU
 
2020-10-17 2:19:48 PM  
Sort-of related: I caught a dozen red signal crayfish last weekend, in a local chalk-bed stream, and even after 24 hours of purging in fresh water, and thorough de-pooping, they tasted like mud. It's put me off crustaceans.
 
2020-10-17 2:23:32 PM  

hoodiowithtudio: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ayup

It's "ayuh," flatlandah.


Sorry

/I'm from California
 
2020-10-17 2:24:58 PM  
They send one of yours to the steamer, you send ten of theirs to the pot. That's the Nova Scotia way.
 
2020-10-17 2:30:19 PM  
Just more Canadians treating First Nations folks like seals.
 
2020-10-17 2:30:34 PM  
Yeah, all the bad shiat that black people get in the US? In Canada it gets directed to natives.

It's interesting that the RCMP doesn't seem to think race riots and looting involving hundreds of people is a matter of concern. I guess we know what their priorities are.
 
2020-10-17 2:31:38 PM  
Business Mantis shrimp is serious

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2020-10-17 2:34:00 PM  
Oops. I didn't RTFA clearly. If I had I wouldn't have posted that trivial bullsh*t. My apologies.
 
2020-10-17 2:38:31 PM  
Used ta be you could buy a live lobtsah in the Providence ehrpart, they put it in a codbard box and ya took it on the plane witch ya.
 
2020-10-17 2:41:55 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: hoodiowithtudio: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ayup

It's "ayuh," flatlandah.

Sorry

/I'm from California


Ehhh, I'm from Cleveland, it's ok. Trust me, I lived there for 18 years and I was constantly reminded I was from away.
 
2020-10-17 2:43:04 PM  
Pretty ashamed of the RCMP and the non-native fishermen.

The non-native fishermen barely catch any compared to the big industry types.

It's such a controlled market.  You can't even catch one for yourself (unlike out west in BC).

A real racket.
 
2020-10-17 2:50:15 PM  
There's a big problem that affects all of the lobster fishermen, white and native alike: the dominant market position of the companies that purchase lobster and thus can set the market. Naturally, the white fisherman blame the problem on the few native fisherman who exercise their treaty rights.

Racism: Preventing You From Scrutinizing Abhorrent Market Forces Since, I Dunno, 2000 BC Probably.
 
2020-10-17 2:51:04 PM  
A fire that police are calling suspicious destroyed a lobster pound in Middle West Pubnico, N.S., early Saturday.

Wait.  Were they adopting lobsters in Nova Scotia?  Was it the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Crustaceans?

"Nice lobstah yah got dayah!"

"Aye, she's a rescue."
 
2020-10-17 2:52:08 PM  
[crustacean needed]
 
2020-10-17 2:54:01 PM  
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2020-10-17 2:54:30 PM  

WickerNipple: Just more Canadians treating First Nations folks like seals.


Sounds like a 'both sides' conflict. First Nations did have a right to catch lobster, but took it too far. Whomever is torching things, though, should be thrown in the slammer.
The Feds will just throw money at the issue.
 
2020-10-17 2:54:31 PM  
This means war!
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2020-10-17 2:54:46 PM  

X-Geek: [crustacean needed]


[and clarified butter]
 
2020-10-17 3:18:43 PM  
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2020-10-17 3:22:16 PM  
<sigh>
First Nations tribe....
Get a settlement from the Government in the form of cash and free lobster licenses
Proceed to catch lobster out of season, including undersize and ones with eggs
Sell the catch to Chinese companies
Dispose of what they can't sell by dumping it in the forest to rot
Sell access to their boats to non-native people to fish out of season
When the regular season opens, use their legitimate licenses to fish a second time

Canadian fishermen get fed up with the Government avoiding any confrontation and torch a Chinese lobster pound whose sole purpose is to purchase and process out of season and undersize/illegal lobster.

Progressive allies get outraged, blame racism/colonialism (of course) and claim "it's only a few lobster" (it's not) and "they are entitled to special treatment and exemption from the DFO" (debatable and untrue)
 
2020-10-17 3:25:12 PM  
Maybe lobster fishing should be banned altogether for the time being. If there's not enough for everyone, there's not any for anyone!
 
2020-10-17 3:32:04 PM  

The Envoy: Sort-of related: I caught a dozen red signal crayfish last weekend, in a local chalk-bed stream, and even after 24 hours of purging in fresh water, and thorough de-pooping, they tasted like mud. It's put me off crustaceans.


I thought the "red signal" meant "don't eat".
 
2020-10-17 3:39:07 PM  
Lobster Sticks to Magnet!
Youtube fjtVsYqAR3s
 
2020-10-17 3:49:11 PM  

Leper Canuck: <sigh>
First Nations tribe....
Get a settlement from the Government in the form of cash and free lobster licenses
Proceed to catch lobster out of season, including undersize and ones with eggs
Sell the catch to Chinese companies
Dispose of what they can't sell by dumping it in the forest to rot
Sell access to their boats to non-native people to fish out of season
When the regular season opens, use their legitimate licenses to fish a second time

Canadian fishermen get fed up with the Government avoiding any confrontation and torch a Chinese lobster pound whose sole purpose is to purchase and process out of season and undersize/illegal lobster.

Progressive allies get outraged, blame racism/colonialism (of course) and claim "it's only a few lobster" (it's not) and "they are entitled to special treatment and exemption from the DFO" (debatable and untrue)


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2020-10-17 4:05:12 PM  

Leper Canuck: <sigh>
First Nations tribe....
Get a settlement from the Government in the form of cash and free lobster licenses
Proceed to catch lobster out of season, including undersize and ones with eggs
Sell the catch to Chinese companies
Dispose of what they can't sell by dumping it in the forest to rot
Sell access to their boats to non-native people to fish out of season
When the regular season opens, use their legitimate licenses to fish a second time

Canadian fishermen get fed up with the Government avoiding any confrontation and torch a Chinese lobster pound whose sole purpose is to purchase and process out of season and undersize/illegal lobster.

Progressive allies get outraged, blame racism/colonialism (of course) and claim "it's only a few lobster" (it's not) and "they are entitled to special treatment and exemption from the DFO" (debatable and untrue)


Oh good, I was worried I would have to check out The Rebel for the official White Nationalist chud take on this. Saved me a browser scrub for racist assholes.
 
2020-10-17 4:28:50 PM  
For a frame of reference, I read the normal industry runs 360000+ traps in the regular season. The First Nations runs 150.

This is blatant, shameful racism that makes me embarrassed to be Canadian.
 
2020-10-17 4:31:47 PM  

reveal101: For a frame of reference, I read the normal industry runs 360000+ traps in the regular season. The First Nations runs 150.

This is blatant, shameful racism that makes me embarrassed to be Canadian.


This is what made you embarrassed to be Canadian? And not Barenaked Ladies? Or Cory Doctorow?
 
2020-10-17 4:37:09 PM  
I just hope Jayne Mansfield still gets the gentle care she so richly deserves.
/obscure?
 
2020-10-17 4:37:22 PM  

gunther_bumpass: reveal101: For a frame of reference, I read the normal industry runs 360000+ traps in the regular season. The First Nations runs 150.

This is blatant, shameful racism that makes me embarrassed to be Canadian.

This is what made you embarrassed to be Canadian? And not Barenaked Ladies? Or Cory Doctorow?


Gavin McInnes didn't help any either.
 
2020-10-17 4:54:01 PM  
Bone Spurs and Harmony:
The Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the natives have the right to fish, as they see fit, and subject only to conservation orders from the actual government. What they do with the fish is their business and not a bunch of scoff-law non-Natives. It's not that hard. So the guy is not right, nor is he alone in the fark yourself pound.

And the SCOC didn't rule that because of "PC crap" or whatever. It ruled that, based upon the treaties that the government of Canada entered into with native bands, they were authorized to do so. Just as SCOTUS ruled recently that tribal jurisdiction applies to a fairly large portion of Oklahoma.

If the government commits to an agreement to do something, they have to do the thing. If the government wants to cease doing the thing, they need to work with native groups to revise those treaties. They won't because, well, there might be a few concessions that various bands would be looking for.
 
2020-10-17 5:40:22 PM  
Lobster season exists for a reason, and everyone has to abide by it.

At the same time, some folks have the right to fish whenever and wherever they want.

You solve the conflict of those two true statements, I ain't going to touch it :P
 
2020-10-17 5:42:58 PM  
 
2020-10-17 5:50:31 PM  

adamatari: Yeah, all the bad shiat that black people get in the US? In Canada it gets directed to natives.

It's interesting that the RCMP doesn't seem to think race riots and looting involving hundreds of people is a matter of concern. I guess we know what their priorities are.


The RCMP have always been wildly anti-native. It's baked into their fundamental culture
 
2020-10-17 5:52:43 PM  
Nuh uh

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2020-10-17 5:53:55 PM  

Leper Canuck: <sigh>
First Nations tribe....
Get a settlement from the Government in the form of cash and free lobster licenses
Proceed to catch lobster out of season, including undersize and ones with eggs
Sell the catch to Chinese companies
Dispose of what they can't sell by dumping it in the forest to rot
Sell access to their boats to non-native people to fish out of season
When the regular season opens, use their legitimate licenses to fish a second time

Canadian fishermen get fed up with the Government avoiding any confrontation and torch a Chinese lobster pound whose sole purpose is to purchase and process out of season and undersize/illegal lobster.

Progressive allies get outraged, blame racism/colonialism (of course) and claim "it's only a few lobster" (it's not) and "they are entitled to special treatment and exemption from the DFO" (debatable and untrue)


Natives get like 1% of the lobster catch and 100% of the blame. And they aren't the ones out wrecking other people's  shiat.

So... you can blame them if you want, and I'm sure they're  not perfect people, but seriously, it's pretty clear who's causing the shiat here.
 
2020-10-17 6:04:42 PM  

reveal101: For a frame of reference, I read the normal industry runs 360000+ traps in the regular season. The First Nations runs 150.

This is blatant, shameful racism that makes me embarrassed to be Canadian.


It's the off season that appears to be the point of contention here, where it's the First Nation's 150 versus the normal industry's 0.

How damaging are 150 traps during the off season?
 
2020-10-17 6:08:02 PM  

reveal101: For a frame of reference, I read the normal industry runs 360000+ traps in the regular season. The First Nations runs 150.

This is blatant, shameful racism that makes me embarrassed to be Canadian.


Wow, and I thought they got as much as lime 1% of the catch.
 
2020-10-17 6:09:45 PM  

Dybbuk Schmybbuk: I just hope Jayne Mansfield still gets the gentle care she so richly deserves.
/obscure?


The 5.6.7.8 s - I Walk Like Jayne Mansfield
Youtube luV9HOmOAGc
 
2020-10-17 6:12:12 PM  

halifaxdatageek: Lobster season exists for a reason, and everyone has to abide by it.

At the same time, some folks have the right to fish whenever and wherever they want.

You solve the conflict of those two true statements, I ain't going to touch it :P


Ok. Ill solve it for you. Its simple. One.of them is wrong. Because saying something doesnt make it true.

The second a native person tries to do something that isn't staying in their reserve doing drugs and drinking there is.someone like you to come along and get passed off about it. They aren't the ones burning down other peoples property. So whatever they have done, its a pretty god dammed far cry from whats been done to them.

Face it, you're  a racist. I.am.also from nova scotia, and the level.of racism against native people is palatable.  And you are part of that problem.
 
2020-10-17 6:19:26 PM  

trialpha: reveal101: For a frame of reference, I read the normal industry runs 360000+ traps in the regular season. The First Nations runs 150.

This is blatant, shameful racism that makes me embarrassed to be Canadian.

It's the off season that appears to be the point of contention here, where it's the First Nation's 150 versus the normal industry's 0.

How damaging are 150 traps during the off season?


The risk is that, if the natives go out during the regular season with everybody else, the white NS fishermen will steal and wreck their traps, steal their catches, or maybe even wreck their boats. NS fishermen are little better than the mafia. This is their turf and they won't share it with anybody.

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/m​i​kmaq-fishers-won-at-the-supreme-court-​but-theyre-still-fighting-for-their-li​velihoods/
 
2020-10-17 6:24:14 PM  

Leper Canuck: <sigh>
First Nations tribe....
Get a settlement from the Government in the form of cash and free lobster licenses
Proceed to catch lobster out of season, including undersize and ones with eggs
Sell the catch to Chinese companies
Dispose of what they can't sell by dumping it in the forest to rot
Sell access to their boats to non-native people to fish out of season
When the regular season opens, use their legitimate licenses to fish a second time

Canadian fishermen get fed up with the Government avoiding any confrontation and torch a Chinese lobster pound whose sole purpose is to purchase and process out of season and undersize/illegal lobster.

Progressive allies get outraged, blame racism/colonialism (of course) and claim "it's only a few lobster" (it's not) and "they are entitled to special treatment and exemption from the DFO" (debatable and untrue)


You are the problem with Canada. Repent or be crushed under the wheel of societal progress.
 
2020-10-17 6:39:59 PM  

chawco: halifaxdatageek: Lobster season exists for a reason, and everyone has to abide by it.

At the same time, some folks have the right to fish whenever and wherever they want.

You solve the conflict of those two true statements, I ain't going to touch it :P

Ok. Ill solve it for you. Its simple. One.of them is wrong. Because saying something doesnt make it true.


Alright, which one's wrong, then? Does lobster season not exist, or treaties?

The second a native person tries to do something that isn't staying in their reserve doing drugs and drinking there is.someone like you to come along and get passed off about it.

I'm not pissed off about them fishing lobster.

They aren't the ones burning down other peoples property. So whatever they have done, its a pretty god dammed far cry from whats been done to them.

I don't endorse arson.

Face it, you're  a racist. I.am.also from nova scotia, and the level.of racism against native people is palatable.  And you are part of that problem.

I disagree.
 
2020-10-17 6:41:13 PM  

reveal101: gunther_bumpass: reveal101: For a frame of reference, I read the normal industry runs 360000+ traps in the regular season. The First Nations runs 150.

This is blatant, shameful racism that makes me embarrassed to be Canadian.

This is what made you embarrassed to be Canadian? And not Barenaked Ladies? Or Cory Doctorow?

Gavin McInnes didn't help any either.


Not gonna lie, the first time I read this I read it as Gavin Crawford, and thought it a bit harsh :P
 
2020-10-17 6:58:46 PM  
I won't argue with you, that native people self-perpetuate a lot of their own problems. This is true of virtually all oppressed and marginalized people. And even privaleged people. We are often at least in part the architects of our own misfortune.

But its not white guilt to say the natives in NS are treated like shiat. Because they are. And as much as they have a responsibility to own parts of their.own social problems, they are also born into reserves which are separated from the majority of the population, not provided decent access to school, and surrounded by a white.majority which looks down on them, blames all their own problems, and a lot if white peolples problems (see TFA). Maybe if their lives were anything approaching eqi to the majority of nova Scotians some of those mass social problems.s would be a bit more addressable.
 
2020-10-17 7:02:18 PM  

halifaxdatageek: chawco: halifaxdatageek: Lobster season exists for a reason, and everyone has to abide by it.

At the same time, some folks have the right to fish whenever and wherever they want.

You solve the conflict of those two true statements, I ain't going to touch it :P

Ok. Ill solve it for you. Its simple. One.of them is wrong. Because saying something doesnt make it true.

Alright, which one's wrong, then? Does lobster season not exist, or treaties?

The second a native person tries to do something that isn't staying in their reserve doing drugs and drinking there is.someone like you to come along and get passed off about it.

I'm not pissed off about them fishing lobster.

They aren't the ones burning down other peoples property. So whatever they have done, its a pretty god dammed far cry from whats been done to them.

I don't endorse arson.

Face it, you're  a racist. I.am.also from nova scotia, and the level.of racism against native people is palatable.  And you are part of that problem.

I disagree.


Well if the second us true, then the first must be false. All people do not have to abide by the seasonal rules. There are exceptions. I mean, for so.eone who claims to be a data geek I am a bit surprised this logic escapes you. In fact, I am not sure what poi t you could possible be trying to make except the things you claim to not be doing in your second post. The only reason I can think for your OP is to justify the actions of fishermen who are attacking the natives.

Am I mising.something?
 
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