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(Jalopnik)   Tesla Autopilot; still not an autopilot   (jalopnik.com) divider line
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2020-10-17 9:57:11 AM  
Most cars in the last 15 years beep like hell if you don't fasten your seatbelt, they have weight sensors in the seats to tell if someone is in them. Why the hell doesn't have a weight sensor that prevent autopilot engagement without someone in the driver's set (and prevents valet mode when someone is in the passenger)?
 
2020-10-17 10:24:35 AM  

tjsands1118: Why the hell doesn't have a weight sensor that prevent autopilot engagement without someone in the driver's set


It does. From TFA: "There is a pressure sensor in the seat that should disable Autopilot if the seat is unoccupied, though it seems that the driver's seat sensor is a simple on/off sensor and not an actual pressure sensor."

The driver apparently disabled the sensor to make the video.
 
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2020-10-17 10:31:32 AM  
They know damn well it isn't, if people can do stupid shiat, some will. See ghost riding.
 
2020-10-17 11:43:09 AM  
Are nugget watches a thing again?

Also sharkskin suit with sneakers

Or is this guy just a dick

Dick
 
2020-10-17 12:04:59 PM  
To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.
 
2020-10-17 12:41:00 PM  
The video reminds me of one thing I hate about the Tesla Model 3 and a lot of other "premium" trim levels on other cars: that godawful fake wood trim. I hate that ok the Model 3 you only have the wood trim or the white interior to choose from. I'd much prefer a dark interior with no "wood".
 
2020-10-17 1:12:20 PM  

BadReligion: To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.


To also be fair, the sky is much less crowded than the freeway.
 
2020-10-17 1:27:11 PM  

spleef420: BadReligion: To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.

To also be fair, the sky is much less crowded than the freeway.


I agree. I am just saying autopilot pilots a plane no more than Tesla autopilot pilots a car.
 
2020-10-17 2:09:18 PM  

BadReligion: spleef420: BadReligion: To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.

To also be fair, the sky is much less crowded than the freeway.

I agree. I am just saying autopilot pilots a plane no more than Tesla autopilot pilots a car.


There's also many people on the ground making sure the other planes stay out of your way. And besides, it doesn't matter in the slightest what they call the system. As a driver it's your job to know what the system is capable of and I'm sure that Tesla teaches its customers about it.
 
2020-10-17 4:10:49 PM  
I am more horrified by the link within the article for devices that will trick the torque sensor in the steering wheel. Some people just want to die I guess.
 
2020-10-17 5:13:49 PM  

BadReligion: To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.


Forty years ago sure, but modern autopilot (depending on how much you  want to spend) on aircraft could take off, fly a course, land, and taxi to wherever you want without touching the controls. Hell, the Buran orbiter was required by the USSR to be completely unmanned for the first flight, and landed without human control damn near on the centerline of the runway.

But there's a lot less crap to track at 10000 meters, and runways have less pedestrian traffic usually.

Tl;dr Stop calling it autopilot. It's glorified cruise control that you need to be hypervigilant of... Regular driving would be less stressful because you wouldn't have to make a diving save to intervene when the system messes up.
 
2020-10-17 5:15:45 PM  
I can't see what's the reason Tesla won't add the face watching camera like Super Cruise. Pretty sure GM would love to license it out
 
2020-10-17 5:22:34 PM  

BadReligion: To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.


Thank you for this. I think a lot of people have this misconception of airplane autopilots as this sophisticated setup of computer wizardry, where the pilot just has to switch it on and the system does the rest.

The reality is that most airplane autopilots aren't all that much more intelligent or complex than the cruise control system in your car, the sky is just a much simpler medium than the roads we drive on, so it's easier to automate flight through it. There is no airplane autopilot system in widespread use on transport craft that is so dependable and self-reliant that there is no need for the pilot to monitor the system.

Even when you're talking about an automated landing, yes some planes can land themselves (if the airport is equipped with an ILS), but fully 85-95% of landings even when the equipment is available are still hand-flown. And even in the instance of a pilot choosing to do an automated 'coupled ILS' approach, the pilot still has to set up gear/flaps and such, and usually takes over for the last 200 ft.
 
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It maintains speed and heading allowing for conditions. That's literally what autopilot does. It doesn't fly the plane for you.
 
6 days ago  

The Green Intern: BadReligion: To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.

Forty years ago sure, but modern autopilot (depending on how much you  want to spend) on aircraft could take off, fly a course, land, and taxi to wherever you want without touching the controls. Hell, the Buran orbiter was required by the USSR to be completely unmanned for the first flight, and landed without human control damn near on the centerline of the runway.

But there's a lot less crap to track at 10000 meters, and runways have less pedestrian traffic usually.

Tl;dr Stop calling it autopilot. It's glorified cruise control that you need to be hypervigilant of... Regular driving would be less stressful because you wouldn't have to make a diving save to intervene when the system messes up.


There is a ton of deflection on this thread. Look at everybody quibble about what AUTOPILOT really means and see everyone tsk tsk at the user who really got it in his head that he can drive a car automatically.

That is a twist of the narrative. Because who was the knucklehead who first called it AUTOPILOT, talked about automatic driving and, once again, overpromised and underdelivered? Who? Who decided, once again, to be disruptive and not go slowly as GOOGLE and Toyota and others were doing? Who gave a thumbs up to these jokers who posted videos of driving from New York to San Francisco with no hands or whatever? Who was that?

My mom always used to say that everything is fun and games until someone gets hurt. If you sell high priced, high-acceleration toys and encourage people to be mavericks and YouTube phenomena, then you are going to get a fair number of them injured or killed. It was true for Jarts, and it is true for idiots using autopilot. And yes, there will be more deaths. Bank on it.

Now on the plus side, I am not ok with these people endangering others, but if Tesla kills a few people and absorbs the lawsuits to get valuable data and develop safety measures and regulations, well ok. If life is that cheap, then who am I to judge? Most companies would do whatever they can to protect drivers and precious life, but we know how Tesla is with quarantines and mask rules, and this killer autopilot is probably less dangerous for the general public at this stage.
 
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BadReligion: To be fair, airplane Autopilot is not really Autopilot either. It just continues on a set course and speed.



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6 days ago  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I am more horrified by the link within the article for devices that will trick the torque sensor in the steering wheel. Some people just want to die I guess.


Yup. My Volvo has some semi-autonomous driving capability, but the driver has to keep a hand on the wheel (I think it will accept 30 seconds or so of no hands). People posting videos of duct taping half full water bottles to the top of the steering wheel.... scary and stupid.

I like the mode for long drives, when I'm overdue for a rest stop. Keeps me from making a dumb mistake while I'm on my way to the next usable exit. Also nice when construction really narrows the lane - the autopilot function basically glues the car to the exact Center.
 
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montreal_medic: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I am more horrified by the link within the article for devices that will trick the torque sensor in the steering wheel. Some people just want to die I guess.

Yup. My Volvo has some semi-autonomous driving capability, but the driver has to keep a hand on the wheel (I think it will accept 30 seconds or so of no hands). People posting videos of duct taping half full water bottles to the top of the steering wheel.... scary and stupid.


Potholes also do nicely to torque the steering wheel while hands free, so I make sure to drive on the crappiest roads possible when I don't want to touch the wheel.
 
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