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3 days ago  
This part is sad and illuminating:

For Jadeja, the impulses he developed while he believed in QAnon are a source of shame. "I would have been so happy to see Hillary Clinton dragged in front of a military tribunal, even though she's a civilian," he said.
"That still bothers me to this day, how willing and happy and joyfully I would have reacted to something that I would normally want no part in... This is how you get good people to do bad things."


In hindsight, he sees how crazy the belief was... it's like emotional insanity that allows the mind to paper over the cognitive dissonance. Rage over reason. But once the fervor resides, you look at those beliefs in the cold light of day and see how broken they are.

In many ways, one of the springboards for QAnon to suck so many in is how polarized US politics is right now. Us vs Them becomes Good vs Evil. It's harder to see it as a cult from the inside when in actually it's nearly the Republican party metastasized.

This may be why the original Q (or Qs) don't every come forward at this point. The destructiveness of this cult, how widespread it is, the incalculable damage... who would ever own that?
 
3 days ago  
He met a real live woman?

/dnrtfa
 
3 days ago  
"If you'd look in Australian politics, it's boring by comparison," Jadeja said. "American politics, it's like, it's like a car crash you can't look away from."

Many of us are stuck in this farking pileup, buddy, you opted to join in.

Politics is supposed to be boring. It's government minutia. When it's not institutional racism and revoking rights and letting people farking die from hurricanes or pandemics.
 
3 days ago  
FTA: For Jadeja, the impulses he developed while he believed in QAnon are a source of shame. "I would have been so happy to see Hillary Clinton dragged in front of a military tribunal, even though she's a civilian," he said.

To his credit, Hillary wanted to drone Assange and she's not a "member" of any "cabal".
 
3 days ago  
Cults proliferate whenever social anxiety is high, people will run to anyone offering structure and meaning. Then majority of them become disillusioned and will simply walk away, authoritarians don't like that, when cults do into terminal decline and money, power and adulation stops rolling in the person on top might say fark it and attempt to bring on the apocalypse they have been promising. Then the murders begin.
For reference see
Order of the solar Temple
Heavens Gate
Aum Shinrikyo
and of course People's Temple
 
3 days ago  
Reads just like leaving a religion.
 
3 days ago  
It's a 3 letter word. How the hell do you fark that up?

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3 days ago  

Creidiki: Cults proliferate whenever social anxiety is high, people will run to anyone offering structure and meaning. Then majority of them become disillusioned and will simply walk away, authoritarians don't like that, when cults do into terminal decline and money, power and adulation stops rolling in the person on top might say fark it and attempt to bring on the apocalypse they have been promising. Then the murders begin.
For reference see
Order of the solar Temple
Heavens Gate
Aum Shinrikyo
and of course People's Temple


Just about every ideology recruits people who are desperate, purposeless, disillusioned and vulnerable. This is why people in their darkest hour convert to religion, why missionaries go to poor places. It's also how terrorists recruit. Not just in poor places either--a lot of them are middle-class educated young men who are struggling and lost and disillusioned with the world.

Things like this are very insidious because they simply say "The reason your life sucks is They have made the world suck, but we have the answer, we have a community who will listen and care about you, and we can give you a purpose."
 
3 days ago  
You know the peon in the Russian troll farm who started this nonsense was as surprised as everyone else that it went viral. I wonder if he got a promotion.

It's just so random that of all the stupidly loony shiat tweeted constantly, this strand of stupidly loony shiat is the one that millions of damaged conspiracy-minded assdongles decided to latch onto.
 
3 days ago  

Mouren: Reads just like leaving a religion.


Or white supremacy.
 
3 days ago  

Lackofname: "If you'd look in Australian politics, it's boring by comparison," Jadeja said. "American politics, it's like, it's like a car crash you can't look away from."

Many of us are stuck in this farking pileup, buddy, you opted to join in.

Politics is supposed to be boring. It's government minutia. When it's not institutional racism and revoking rights and letting people farking die from hurricanes or pandemics.


Elections were to replace bloody revolutions. Politics has rarely been boring. It is warfare, just with a lower direct body count (though you can ask the Five Civilized Tribes how an election can directly lead to a much higher body count). It is how we engage in conflict over our future and decide who holds the reins of coercive force.
 
3 days ago  
JohnnyApocalypse: This may be why the original Q (or Qs) don't every come forward at this point. The destructiveness of this cult, how widespread it is, the incalculable damage... who would ever own that?

Nah. The article is an alarmist piece reporting a number of online "interactions" it substantiates by the anecdote of what an individual (with just one of the sweetest names for a man I've never heard before) who might have fueled his neurosis through any number of arcane hobbies and INTERPRETS what some aggregate of QAnon "believers" believe...what's researcher's Cindy Otis' quote...and what was her specialty again? lol

"It's a very compelling narrative to say all of this is orchestrated," Otis said. "There's a cabal coming after you. They're trying to make your life miserable. You want an answer for why bad things are happening? Here they are."

Any QAnon posts I have read views the less powerful as a victim of the powerful; They are angry people get away with what they suspect is not sufficiently reported. I've never read or heard a Qanon adherent say they believed a "cabal" was coming after them, but I imagine some might.

Pizzagate was QAnon's defining PR event, but most crazies with a gun look for a way to burnish their imagined cause(s). There's a difference the article fails to distinguish: Paranoia about wealth and power insulating an elite from consequences and deluded notions along the lines of simply knowing about it makes you a target of censorship.

Knee-jerks reactions to them as a group fails to recognize a gray area that's exploited from more than a single direction and polarized (segregated) communities divide further.
 
3 days ago  

BolloxReader: Lackofname: "If you'd look in Australian politics, it's boring by comparison," Jadeja said. "American politics, it's like, it's like a car crash you can't look away from."

Many of us are stuck in this farking pileup, buddy, you opted to join in.

Politics is supposed to be boring. It's government minutia. When it's not institutional racism and revoking rights and letting people farking die from hurricanes or pandemics.

Elections were to replace bloody revolutions. Politics has rarely been boring. It is warfare, just with a lower direct body count (though you can ask the Five Civilized Tribes how an election can directly lead to a much higher body count). It is how we engage in conflict over our future and decide who holds the reins of coercive force.


You're describing Elections.

I'm talking about the day to day policy decisions. Why the pick of Quibble Bibbyboo is a poor choice to head the Department of Groundhog Management. The stuff that makes normal people change the channel.
 
3 days ago  
He stopped going to 4chan?
 
3 days ago  
I lost my closest friend to this cult. 22 years of friendship gone and only two years after she stood in my wedding. Last call I had with her, she said she didn't know what was truth anymore and had been on YouTube until 3am every night for a week.
 
3 days ago  
He recovered from severe head trauma?
 
3 days ago  
QAnon is what happens when you apply the Heroes plotting methodology of mining message boards to decide where a story goes to a "political movement."

Well, that and selling bits and pieces of the story to those who really want to use a part of their base for their own purposes. It's kind of morbidly brilliant, and it bookends well with studying the last election by our intelligence agencies for years to come. They are likely related, and QAnon just took a life of its own, before getting properly aimed and mined for cash and prizes.
 
3 days ago  
Didn't this spring from a website that coined the term "CP"?

Me thinks they doth protest to much.
 
3 days ago  

JohnnyApocalypse: This may be why the original Q (or Qs) don't every come forward at this point. The destructiveness of this cult, how widespread it is, the incalculable damage... who would ever own that?


I personally know one of the original Qs. He did it for the lulz. But he stopped awhile ago, because he didn't think anyone was stupid enough to believe it, and when they did he wasn't willing to contribute to their insanity.
 
3 days ago  

Lackofname: Creidiki: Cults proliferate whenever social anxiety is high, people will run to anyone offering structure and meaning. Then majority of them become disillusioned and will simply walk away, authoritarians don't like that, when cults do into terminal decline and money, power and adulation stops rolling in the person on top might say fark it and attempt to bring on the apocalypse they have been promising. Then the murders begin.
For reference see
Order of the solar Temple
Heavens Gate
Aum Shinrikyo
and of course People's Temple

Just about every ideology recruits people who are desperate, purposeless, disillusioned and vulnerable. This is why people in their darkest hour convert to religion, why missionaries go to poor places. It's also how terrorists recruit. Not just in poor places either--a lot of them are middle-class educated young men who are struggling and lost and disillusioned with the world.

Things like this are very insidious because they simply say "The reason your life sucks is They have made the world suck, but we have the answer, we have a community who will listen and care about you, and we can give you a purpose."


I recently reread "Them - Adventures with Extremists" by Jon Ronson (the man who wrote "The Men who Stared at Goats"), and it's pretty fascinating, especially looking back at things from today's perspective. It's almost like seeing the seeds of the current insanity being planted.

He follows a British Muslim calling for jihad in England (and gets unmasked as a Jew in a terrorist training camp), spends time with the Weavers (from Ruby Ridge), as well as a burgeoning Alex Jones when he was just getting Info Wars off the ground. He also delves into how persuasive yet ultimately vacuous these theories can be. Highly recommend.
 
3 days ago  
Looks like he ate his way out.
 
3 days ago  

Lackofname: Creidiki: Cults proliferate whenever social anxiety is high, people will run to anyone offering structure and meaning. Then majority of them become disillusioned and will simply walk away, authoritarians don't like that, when cults do into terminal decline and money, power and adulation stops rolling in the person on top might say fark it and attempt to bring on the apocalypse they have been promising. Then the murders begin.
For reference see
Order of the solar Temple
Heavens Gate
Aum Shinrikyo
and of course People's Temple

Just about every ideology recruits people who are desperate, purposeless, disillusioned and vulnerable. This is why people in their darkest hour convert to religion, why missionaries go to poor places. It's also how terrorists recruit. Not just in poor places either--a lot of them are middle-class educated young men who are struggling and lost and disillusioned with the world.

Things like this are very insidious because they simply say "The reason your life sucks is They have made the world suck, but we have the answer, we have a community who will listen and care about you, and we can give you a purpose."


The worst part is that these are exactly the kind of people responsible for problems. It's confusing because most of them are quite transparent about being utter crap ( e.g. Trump) get people followed despite saying that it is exactly what they oppose. The absolute worst people I've ever met have been Christians and conservatives who thought that they were the best people.

Qanon is particularly sick as it's not based on anything except anonymous comments and wishful thinking, though I suppose it's very appropriate for the age of Trump.
 
3 days ago  

Ishkur: He stopped going to 4chan?


He studied it out?
 
3 days ago  

paranand: Lackofname: Creidiki: Cults proliferate whenever social anxiety is high, people will run to anyone offering structure and meaning. Then majority of them become disillusioned and will simply walk away, authoritarians don't like that, when cults do into terminal decline and money, power and adulation stops rolling in the person on top might say fark it and attempt to bring on the apocalypse they have been promising. Then the murders begin.
For reference see
Order of the solar Temple
Heavens Gate
Aum Shinrikyo
and of course People's Temple

Just about every ideology recruits people who are desperate, purposeless, disillusioned and vulnerable. This is why people in their darkest hour convert to religion, why missionaries go to poor places. It's also how terrorists recruit. Not just in poor places either--a lot of them are middle-class educated young men who are struggling and lost and disillusioned with the world.

Things like this are very insidious because they simply say "The reason your life sucks is They have made the world suck, but we have the answer, we have a community who will listen and care about you, and we can give you a purpose."

I recently reread "Them - Adventures with Extremists" by Jon Ronson (the man who wrote "The Men who Stared at Goats"), and it's pretty fascinating, especially looking back at things from today's perspective. It's almost like seeing the seeds of the current insanity being planted.


I read "The Psychopath Test". Interesting guy. I'm kinda curious about his "So You've Been Public ally Shamed".

He follows a British Muslim calling for jihad in England (and gets unmasked as a Jew in a terrorist training camp), spends time with the Weavers (from Ruby Ridge), as well as a burgeoning Alex Jones when he was just getting Info Wars off the ground. He also delves into how persuasive yet ultimately vacuous these theories can be. Highly recommend.

Good lord how the hell did he not die?
 
3 days ago  

Lackofname: paranand: Lackofname: Creidiki: Cults proliferate whenever social anxiety is high, people will run to anyone offering structure and meaning. Then majority of them become disillusioned and will simply walk away, authoritarians don't like that, when cults do into terminal decline and money, power and adulation stops rolling in the person on top might say fark it and attempt to bring on the apocalypse they have been promising. Then the murders begin.
For reference see
Order of the solar Temple
Heavens Gate
Aum Shinrikyo
and of course People's Temple

Just about every ideology recruits people who are desperate, purposeless, disillusioned and vulnerable. This is why people in their darkest hour convert to religion, why missionaries go to poor places. It's also how terrorists recruit. Not just in poor places either--a lot of them are middle-class educated young men who are struggling and lost and disillusioned with the world.

Things like this are very insidious because they simply say "The reason your life sucks is They have made the world suck, but we have the answer, we have a community who will listen and care about you, and we can give you a purpose."

I recently reread "Them - Adventures with Extremists" by Jon Ronson (the man who wrote "The Men who Stared at Goats"), and it's pretty fascinating, especially looking back at things from today's perspective. It's almost like seeing the seeds of the current insanity being planted.

I read "The Psychopath Test". Interesting guy. I'm kinda curious about his "So You've Been Public ally Shamed".

He follows a British Muslim calling for jihad in England (and gets unmasked as a Jew in a terrorist training camp), spends time with the Weavers (from Ruby Ridge), as well as a burgeoning Alex Jones when he was just getting Info Wars off the ground. He also delves into how persuasive yet ultimately vacuous these theories can be. Highly recommend.

Good lord how the hell did he not die?


It was quite the situation. He also spent a few weeks with Thom Robb, leader of the KKK, whom he described as "nebbish" and compared to Woody Allen. Like I said, it's very worth reading.
 
3 days ago  
Jadeja said. "American politics, it's like, it's like a car crash you can't look away from."

Can't argue with that.  What a sad state we're in these days.
 
3 days ago  
He now thinks one of the toughest challenges in trying to deradicalize a QAnon believer is that they view the opposition as "pure evil."

Tribalism is one of humanity's worst traits.
 
3 days ago  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: You know the peon in the Russian troll farm who started this nonsense was as surprised as everyone else that it went viral. I wonder if he got a promotion.

It's just so random that of all the stupidly loony shiat tweeted constantly, this strand of stupidly loony shiat is the one that millions of damaged conspiracy-minded assdongles decided to latch onto.


It sorta reminds me of the Pokémon Go thing that happened four years ago, in how addicting seems to people who buy into it.  Some people will do anything to entertain themselves.
 
3 days ago  

Ishkur: He stopped going to 4chan?


Ironically, 4chan is not exactly welcoming to QAnon anymore. The response to Q threads typically start with "take your meds schizo", and go downhill from there.
 
3 days ago  
FTFA about a qanon deprogramming site
He thought the group would ridicule him for believing in the conspiracy theory.
They are trying to guide you back to reality. We have Fark for ridicule.
 
3 days ago  
"If you'd look in Australian politics, it's boring by comparison," Jadeja said. "American politics, it's like, it's like a car crash you can't look away from."

it's fas'nating innit mate, unless the airbag is right under your chin.
/i guess he's safe since all of the punchy kangaroos, poisonous spiders, hungry sharks and
homicidal magpies ignore stupid.
 
3 days ago  
Once and always.

He can go the rest of his life without deluding himself, but that's going to take work.

/Insert business cat with caption, "I should invest in treatment programs for mental health.

I think having a place for them to check into conspiracy rehab sounds good.
 
3 days ago  
"In View's opinion, confronting QAnon believers with facts isn't the best way to deradicalize them. He said the best way to help believers is to remind them of their life before Q. Believers need to be encouraged to ask themselves "if this new life that they built for themselves is actually productive, if it's actually building towards something good or if it's just a waste of time and it's filling some kind of emotional void."

It's certainly true that using facts isn't going to win any arguments with this crowd if the interactions with the right-wing part of my family are any indication.  It's sad, but the only way to get through to these people is to explain "what's in it for them".

"It allowed me to really confront, like, the own darkness that's in my own heart."

At least he learned something from the experience, but I fear that's unrepeatable with the rest of QAnon supporters.
 
3 days ago  

czei: "In View's opinion, confronting QAnon believers with facts isn't the best way to deradicalize them. He said the best way to help believers is to remind them of their life before Q. Believers need to be encouraged to ask themselves "if this new life that they built for themselves is actually productive, if it's actually building towards something good or if it's just a waste of time and it's filling some kind of emotional void."

It's certainly true that using facts isn't going to win any arguments with this crowd if the interactions with the right-wing part of my family are any indication.  It's sad, but the only way to get through to these people is to explain "what's in it for them".

"It allowed me to really confront, like, the own darkness that's in my own heart."

At least he learned something from the experience, but I fear that's unrepeatable with the rest of QAnon supporters.


He learned something but it sure sounds like it came at a great cost.

But there's one thing in particular that he regrets the most: sharing QAnon with his father. CNN reached out to Jadeja's father multiple times for a comment but he did not respond.

Oof. He introduced dad to the conspiracy and wasn't able to bring him out of it. I wonder if they even speak now.
 
3 days ago  

buravirgil: FTA: For Jadeja, the impulses he developed while he believed in QAnon are a source of shame. "I would have been so happy to see Hillary Clinton dragged in front of a military tribunal, even though she's a civilian," he said.

To his credit, Hillary wanted to drone Assange and she's not a "member" of any "cabal".


Wait, what? While he was living in the Equadorian Embassy in London?
 
3 days ago  

Creidiki: Cults proliferate whenever social anxiety is high, people will run to anyone offering structure and meaning. Then majority of them become disillusioned and will simply walk away, authoritarians don't like that, when cults do into terminal decline and money, power and adulation stops rolling in the person on top might say fark it and attempt to bring on the apocalypse they have been promising. Then the murders begin.
For reference see
Order of the solar Temple
Heavens Gate
Aum Shinrikyo
and of course People's Temple


It's important to note that, with the possible exception of The People's Temple, all those cults are active TODAY. They were responsible for mass murders or suicides in the 80s & 90s but people still believe in them.

It will be the same for QAnon, decades after.
 
3 days ago  
He started taking large doses of psych meds?
 
3 days ago  

Anne Boleyn: I lost my closest friend to this cult. 22 years of friendship gone and only two years after she stood in my wedding. Last call I had with her, she said she didn't know what was truth anymore and had been on YouTube until 3am every night for a week.


I am really sad to hear that.

I wish I had some plan to save your friend, but the only advice I've heard from cult experts is to tell your friend that if she leaves, she won't be alone because you'll still be there as a friend (if that's true--it's totally understandable if you had to break ties for your own mental health or safety).

It's a super rough place to be in. I know the /r/QAnonCasualties group has helped a bunch of people; I dunno if that would help. Good luck, we're all pulling for you. (well, I am)
 
3 days ago  
QAnon often reminds me of my crazy Mormon relatives. One side of my family was normal church-on-Sunday types who happened to be Mormon.  The other side was a multigenerational psychological abuse cult which used Mormonism as an umbrella.

I have cut myself off from the cultish relatives before Trump was elected, but there are a few I'm sure are into Q.

In high school my stepdad was defrauding me and telling my relatives I was a drug addict so they wouldn't listen to me. One older cousin insisted the Holy Ghost told him I was on drugs. I wasn't and told him so. He claimed I was so high on drugs I don't remember taking them, and again he was 100% certain because the Holy Ghost had told him so. I told him I could prove it with a urine test right then, and told him to put out his hands. He glared a while and said, "That's not the point, it's your bad attitude..."

Quite a flip flop from "the Holy Ghost told me" to "that's not the point". And to suddenly drop his accusation that way, shifting his outrage with the changing breeze. Believing in whatever flimsy narrative entitled him to vent his outrage at me.

I'm often reminded of him when I hear Qzlings (or plague deniers) ranting about self-contradictory theories.
 
3 days ago  

Anne Boleyn: I lost my closest friend to this cult. 22 years of friendship gone and only two years after she stood in my wedding. Last call I had with her, she said she didn't know what was truth anymore and had been on YouTube until 3am every night for a week.


Deradicalizing someone is hard.

But it can be done. Family and friends are an important part of re-establishing an anchor in society for a person.
 
3 days ago  
Forgive me for being a pessimistic sort, but I don't think there's any benefit to trying to get people out of the Q cult. Why? Because the kind of people who get sucked into that madness and stupidity are people who are easily indoctrinated and weak-willed. He WILL join another cult, religion, movement, or conspiracy. He WILL fall into this shiat again and again. I've watched it happen, and eventually you just have to walk away and leave them to their madness and naivety.

Frankly, I think every QAnon person should be rounded up and tossed on an isolated island with no Internet access, no television, and no way off the godsforsaken place. Is Alcatraz still available?

There's no way these people will EVER be productive, useful members of society. They will always be a thorn in our collective sides. They will always be the gum under our shoes, the monkey wrenches in our community's clockwork, and the poison that seeps through the veins of civilization. They do damage to everything else and they only regret it momentarily in their in-between days, when they've lost one "us against them" conspiracy and have yet to latch on to their next one.

I've loads of compassion for mental illness, but this isn't that. This is terminal selfishness and incurable idiocy, and for those things I have little compassion indeed.

In short, F**k them and their cult. I hope they all get exiled to Mars.
 
3 days ago  
He started noticing logical inconsistencies in their theories.

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3 days ago  

WilderKWight: Forgive me for being a pessimistic sort, but I don't think there's any benefit to trying to get people out of the Q cult. Why? Because the kind of people who get sucked into that madness and stupidity are people who are easily indoctrinated and weak-willed. He WILL join another cult, religion, movement, or conspiracy. He WILL fall into this shiat again and again. I've watched it happen, and eventually you just have to walk away and leave them to their madness and naivety.

Frankly, I think every QAnon person should be rounded up and tossed on an isolated island with no Internet access, no television, and no way off the godsforsaken place. Is Alcatraz still available?

There's no way these people will EVER be productive, useful members of society. They will always be a thorn in our collective sides. They will always be the gum under our shoes, the monkey wrenches in our community's clockwork, and the poison that seeps through the veins of civilization. They do damage to everything else and they only regret it momentarily in their in-between days, when they've lost one "us against them" conspiracy and have yet to latch on to their next one.

I've loads of compassion for mental illness, but this isn't that. This is terminal selfishness and incurable idiocy, and for those things I have little compassion indeed.

In short, F**k them and their cult. I hope they all get exiled to Mars.


You say that now...until someone you truly love falls into one.
 
3 days ago  
fark him.

No one forced him to go swimming in that festering vat of putrid syphilitic diarrhea. What the fark do I care if he drowns in it?
 
3 days ago  

spinnum: WilderKWight: Forgive me for being a pessimistic sort, but I don't think there's any benefit to trying to get people out of the Q cult. Why? Because the kind of people who get sucked into that madness and stupidity are people who are easily indoctrinated and weak-willed. He WILL join another cult, religion, movement, or conspiracy. He WILL fall into this shiat again and again. I've watched it happen, and eventually you just have to walk away and leave them to their madness and naivety.

Frankly, I think every QAnon person should be rounded up and tossed on an isolated island with no Internet access, no television, and no way off the godsforsaken place. Is Alcatraz still available?

There's no way these people will EVER be productive, useful members of society. They will always be a thorn in our collective sides. They will always be the gum under our shoes, the monkey wrenches in our community's clockwork, and the poison that seeps through the veins of civilization. They do damage to everything else and they only regret it momentarily in their in-between days, when they've lost one "us against them" conspiracy and have yet to latch on to their next one.

I've loads of compassion for mental illness, but this isn't that. This is terminal selfishness and incurable idiocy, and for those things I have little compassion indeed.

In short, F**k them and their cult. I hope they all get exiled to Mars.

You say that now...until someone you truly love falls into one.


I'm pretty sure he's convinced that no one he knows would be defective enough to fall for a cult.

IMPORTANT NOTE: You are not immune to propaganda. This includes cults. Cults take advantage of people of all walks of life--including people with & without mental illness, smart people, dumb people, gullible people & cynical people. Cult recruiters often take advantage of people who are in difficult & vulnerable places in their lives who might have the resources to avoid indoctrination at other times.

QAnon people have crazy beliefs. But  they weren't any more defective than you or me when they got sucked in.

The only reliable indicator I can give you for who is most vulnerable to cults like QAnon is whether a person believes he or she is not vulnerable to cults.
 
3 days ago  

WilderKWight: Forgive me for being a pessimistic sort, but I don't think there's any benefit to trying to get people out of the Q cult. Why? Because the kind of people who get sucked into that madness and stupidity are people who are easily indoctrinated and weak-willed.


This is incorrect. The methods of radicalization are sophisticated. It's like saying, "only idiots and the weak willed become drug users."

And those that push to radicalize people definitely use myths like this to help with their efforts.
 
3 days ago  
A Cult, a conspiracy theory rabbit hole and a particularly vile byte of propaganda are like the Corona Virus.

They're are infectious.
They spread.
Some people eventually get better.
Some do not.

Glad this guy got better is my point here.

Get well soon, America.

Be Well.
 
2 days ago  

czei: "In View's opinion, confronting QAnon believers with facts isn't the best way to deradicalize them. He said the best way to help believers is to remind them of their life before Q. Believers need to be encouraged to ask themselves "if this new life that they built for themselves is actually productive, if it's actually building towards something good or if it's just a waste of time and it's filling some kind of emotional void."

It's certainly true that using facts isn't going to win any arguments with this crowd if the interactions with the right-wing part of my family are any indication.  It's sad, but the only way to get through to these people is to explain "what's in it for them".

"It allowed me to really confront, like, the own darkness that's in my own heart."

At least he learned something from the experience, but I fear that's unrepeatable with the rest of QAnon supporters.


I've done it by cutting them off.  They have to then come to grips, like this guy, if they prefer to have me and my family in their life or not.  Assuming Biden wins and Trump doesn't flush the country down the toilet before 20 January, I expect a bunch of mea culpas or they stay cut off.
 
2 days ago  

fortheloveof: WilderKWight: Forgive me for being a pessimistic sort, but I don't think there's any benefit to trying to get people out of the Q cult. Why? Because the kind of people who get sucked into that madness and stupidity are people who are easily indoctrinated and weak-willed.

This is incorrect. The methods of radicalization are sophisticated. It's like saying, "only idiots and the weak willed become drug users."

And those that push to radicalize people definitely use myths like this to help with their efforts.


For the record, while the radicalization process can be sophisticated, it doesn't require that anyone involved in that process is sophisticated, either. Lots of people get sucked in by what are, by all accounts, very simple onboarding processes that only take advantage of extremely sophisticated predispositions every one of us already have in our brains.
 
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andrewagill: fortheloveof: WilderKWight: Forgive me for being a pessimistic sort, but I don't think there's any benefit to trying to get people out of the Q cult. Why? Because the kind of people who get sucked into that madness and stupidity are people who are easily indoctrinated and weak-willed.

This is incorrect. The methods of radicalization are sophisticated. It's like saying, "only idiots and the weak willed become drug users."

And those that push to radicalize people definitely use myths like this to help with their efforts.

For the record, while the radicalization process can be sophisticated, it doesn't require that anyone involved in that process is sophisticated, either. Lots of people get sucked in by what are, by all accounts, very simple onboarding processes that only take advantage of extremely sophisticated predispositions every one of us already have in our brains.


Case and point - the Dennis Miller before and after 9/11.
 
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