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2020-10-16 10:01:08 PM  
That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight
 
2020-10-16 10:15:44 PM  

Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight


Huh. A stupid word salad of reflexively anti-government generalizations from a Trump supporter. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day of testing your own food for botulism and building your own roads to share that with us.
 
2020-10-16 10:43:45 PM  

Cagey B: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Huh. A stupid word salad of reflexively anti-government generalizations from a Trump supporter. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day of testing your own food for botulism and building your own roads to share that with us.


No generalizations here. The department that was ripped off this time was the same one ripped right here on Fark last month for still thinking it was an okay idea to send mail to clients including their full Social Security numbers. No wonder they got taken to the cleaners by loudmouth dipshiats in Tennessee.

BTW, that's a multi-year state-level farkup that has nothing to do with Trump and in fact pre-dates any Trump interest in politics (other than regularly renting politicians).

Benefits fraud is still a thing, but now the pros have taken over and found that it's way easier to rip off Medicare.

It's okay. The previous link is from The Nation. I would not want to offend yours or any other reader's delicate, refined and easily-bruised sensibilities. It points out that the feds are perfectly capable of doing good oversight, as was done on the stimulus program. But they're also up against pressure to NOT watch the money, which is the danger of the military-industrial complex - and any other sufficiently enormous government program.
 
2020-10-16 11:05:55 PM  
Okay well, Vladimir Putin has gopniks rapping hardbass about breaking into Area 51.

Won't somebody please think of the space alien children?!
 
2020-10-16 11:25:39 PM  
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2020-10-16 11:44:47 PM  

Gulper Eel: Cagey B: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Huh. A stupid word salad of reflexively anti-government generalizations from a Trump supporter. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day of testing your own food for botulism and building your own roads to share that with us.

No generalizations here. The department that was ripped off this time was the same one ripped right here on Fark last month for still thinking it was an okay idea to send mail to clients including their full Social Security numbers. No wonder they got taken to the cleaners by loudmouth dipshiats in Tennessee.

BTW, that's a multi-year state-level farkup that has nothing to do with Trump and in fact pre-dates any Trump interest in politics (other than regularly renting politicians).

Benefits fraud is still a thing, but now the pros have taken over and found that it's way easier to rip off Medicare.

It's okay. The previous link is from The Nation. I would not want to offend yours or any other reader's delicate, refined and easily-bruised sensibilities. It points out that the feds are perfectly capable of doing good oversight, as was done on the stimulus program. But they're also up against pressure to NOT watch the money, which is the danger of the military-industrial complex - and any other sufficiently enormous government program.


You know what? That was a legitimately interesting article, although it's a little more uncertain as to how much Medicare fraud occurs than how you present it (the answer at the time of the article seems to be "we don't know).

Nonetheless, respect for actually citing something. I bristle at "government bad" posts for obvious reasons, but the guy in the article is absolutely right, we need to dedicate more resources to oversight of how funding is spent, performed by professionals who administer the program. Which would benefit EDD here.

I take back the mean parts of my post.
 
2020-10-17 12:49:34 AM  
"Videotaping our crime spree was the best idea we've ever had!"
 
2020-10-17 12:55:11 AM  

Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight


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Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄
 
2020-10-17 12:56:04 AM  
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2020-10-17 1:00:08 AM  

Cagey B: Gulper Eel: Cagey B: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Huh. A stupid word salad of reflexively anti-government generalizations from a Trump supporter. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day of testing your own food for botulism and building your own roads to share that with us.

No generalizations here. The department that was ripped off this time was the same one ripped right here on Fark last month for still thinking it was an okay idea to send mail to clients including their full Social Security numbers. No wonder they got taken to the cleaners by loudmouth dipshiats in Tennessee.

BTW, that's a multi-year state-level farkup that has nothing to do with Trump and in fact pre-dates any Trump interest in politics (other than regularly renting politicians).

Benefits fraud is still a thing, but now the pros have taken over and found that it's way easier to rip off Medicare.

It's okay. The previous link is from The Nation. I would not want to offend yours or any other reader's delicate, refined and easily-bruised sensibilities. It points out that the feds are perfectly capable of doing good oversight, as was done on the stimulus program. But they're also up against pressure to NOT watch the money, which is the danger of the military-industrial complex - and any other sufficiently enormous government program.

You know what? That was a legitimately interesting article, although it's a little more uncertain as to how much Medicare fraud occurs than how you present it (the answer at the time of the article seems to be "we don't know).

Nonetheless, respect for actually citing something. I bristle at "government bad" posts for obvious reasons, but the guy in the article is absolutely right, we need to dedicate more resources to oversight of how funding is spent, performed by professionals who administer the program. Which would benefit EDD here.

I take back the mean parts of my post.


Especially military funding.
 
2020-10-17 1:02:30 AM  

Cagey B: we need to dedicate more resources to oversight of how funding is spent, performed by professionals who administer the program. Which would benefit EDD here.


CA EDD is regularly blasted by state legislators for not processing claims fast enough AND using time-consuming processes designed to...wait for it...catch fraud. So, the oversight that's slowing down claims processing is ineffective, and you suggest more oversight designed by the same people?
 
2020-10-17 1:07:46 AM  
That was an ingenious scheme, that he for some reason shared with everybody who would listen.
 
2020-10-17 1:09:35 AM  

Gulper Eel: Cagey B: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Huh. A stupid word salad of reflexively anti-government generalizations from a Trump supporter. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day of testing your own food for botulism and building your own roads to share that with us.

No generalizations here. The department that was ripped off this time was the same one ripped right here on Fark last month for still thinking it was an okay idea to send mail to clients including their full Social Security numbers. No wonder they got taken to the cleaners by loudmouth dipshiats in Tennessee.

BTW, that's a multi-year state-level farkup that has nothing to do with Trump and in fact pre-dates any Trump interest in politics (other than regularly renting politicians).

Benefits fraud is still a thing, but now the pros have taken over and found that it's way easier to rip off Medicare.

It's okay. The previous link is from The Nation. I would not want to offend yours or any other reader's delicate, refined and easily-bruised sensibilities. It points out that the feds are perfectly capable of doing good oversight, as was done on the stimulus program. But they're also up against pressure to NOT watch the money, which is the danger of the military-industrial complex - and any other sufficiently enormous government program.


🙄
The biggest crooks in medical fraud is Doctor/clinics doing I unneed procedures and phantom procedures.
SFUYFI.
 
2020-10-17 1:11:13 AM  

Spermbot: Cagey B: we need to dedicate more resources to oversight of how funding is spent, performed by professionals who administer the program. Which would benefit EDD here.

CA EDD is regularly blasted by state legislators for not processing claims fast enough AND using time-consuming processes designed to...wait for it...catch fraud. So, the oversight that's slowing down claims processing is ineffective, and you suggest more oversight designed by the same people?


I'm honestly unfamiliar with the precise mechanisms they're using, but it wouldn't out of character for legislators to complain about both things not happening fast enough and also not enough oversight of money being rushed out the door. I'm guessing that an absolute farkton more jobless claims hitting suddenly has something to do with a lot of their current problems.
 
2020-10-17 1:11:51 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: That was an ingenious scheme, that he for some reason shared with everybody who would listen.


/
Ever see kids with mouth fulls of silver caps? That is fraud. Too bad people don't even know.
 
2020-10-17 1:16:25 AM  

Cagey B: Spermbot: Cagey B: we need to dedicate more resources to oversight of how funding is spent, performed by professionals who administer the program. Which would benefit EDD here.

CA EDD is regularly blasted by state legislators for not processing claims fast enough AND using time-consuming processes designed to...wait for it...catch fraud. So, the oversight that's slowing down claims processing is ineffective, and you suggest more oversight designed by the same people?

I'm honestly unfamiliar with the precise mechanisms they're using, but it wouldn't out of character for legislators to complain about both things not happening fast enough and also not enough oversight of money being rushed out the door. I'm guessing that an absolute farkton more jobless claims hitting suddenly has something to do with a lot of their current problems.


The problem isn't the two conditions you cite.  The problem is that the current mechanisms for detecting fraud are ineffective, as TFA indicates.  Additional fraud detection processes shouldn't be designed or implemented by the same people who designed and implented the current fraud detection processes.

As an aside, CA EDD's problems stem not from the massive number of claims alone, but from chronic underinvestment in EDD since the last recession.  The EDD leaders have continuously asked for funds to modernize their systems and hire more staff precisely because of how overwhelmed they were during '07-'09.  It's the legislature, now breathing fire at the EDD, who failed their state.
 
2020-10-17 1:18:09 AM  
Eazy E is spinning in his goddamn grave
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I seen one guy yesterday that swear he was hardcore(the way he spoke to the liquor store cashier)..................Dude you have a man bun in your hair shaped as a honey bun. This lesbian girl and I just looked at each other and shook our heads.
/I'm 100% sure the guy was straight, but someone somewhere told him that it was cute.
 
2020-10-17 1:18:13 AM  

waxbeans: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: That was an ingenious scheme, that he for some reason shared with everybody who would listen.

Ever see kids with mouth fulls of silver caps? That is fraud. Too bad people don't even know.


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2020-10-17 1:25:52 AM  
How could this happen? The EDD is on the cutting edge, using state-of-the-art COBOL computer systems.
 
2020-10-17 1:26:56 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: waxbeans: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: That was an ingenious scheme, that he for some reason shared with everybody who would listen.

Ever see kids with mouth fulls of silver caps? That is fraud. Too bad people don't even know.

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It's in english?
Try again.
Have you ever seen kids with all silver teeth?
(I'm not taking about cosmetic bling bling grills)
I'm talking about kids that supposedly have all their teeth rotted out so they have to be capped with silver.
Strong emphasis on supposedly.
 
2020-10-17 1:27:15 AM  

waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄


Like, a card you can eat?
 
2020-10-17 1:29:34 AM  

chitownmike: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

Like, a card you can eat?


Food stamps have be changed to a credit/debt card.
🙄
 
2020-10-17 2:13:29 AM  
So I'm wondering if this guy has any connection to others who were arrested for defrauding the EDD last month in Beverly Hills.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/​0​9/22/beverly-hills-police-arrest-addit​ional-suspects-in-growing-edd-fraud-sc​andal/
 
2020-10-17 2:39:12 AM  

waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄


It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.
 
2020-10-17 2:40:17 AM  

cyberspacedout: So I'm wondering if this guy has any connection to others who were arrested for defrauding the EDD last month in Beverly Hills.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/0​9/22/beverly-hills-police-arrest-addit​ional-suspects-in-growing-edd-fraud-sc​andal/


Might be he was the one who got them caught.
 
2020-10-17 2:45:56 AM  

Cagey B: Spermbot: Cagey B: we need to dedicate more resources to oversight of how funding is spent, performed by professionals who administer the program. Which would benefit EDD here.

CA EDD is regularly blasted by state legislators for not processing claims fast enough AND using time-consuming processes designed to...wait for it...catch fraud. So, the oversight that's slowing down claims processing is ineffective, and you suggest more oversight designed by the same people?

I'm honestly unfamiliar with the precise mechanisms they're using, but it wouldn't out of character for legislators to complain about both things not happening fast enough and also not enough oversight of money being rushed out the door. I'm guessing that an absolute farkton more jobless claims hitting suddenly has something to do with a lot of their current problems.


I imagine the more clogged up the system is the easier it is to slip through fake or stolen accounts by severely overworked and under motivated people.
 
2020-10-17 3:33:04 AM  

RedVentrue: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.


You are voting for Trump aren't you?
 
2020-10-17 4:06:42 AM  

RedVentrue: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.


🙄
Yeah yeah.
And somebody got rich on Herbalife.

Hahaha hahaha
Sure someone did but the vast majority got ripped off
 
2020-10-17 4:08:30 AM  

RedVentrue: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.


You know Ronald Reagan hand-picked and found that person
 
2020-10-17 4:09:38 AM  

RedVentrue: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.


And how do they get around the fingerprint?
 
2020-10-17 4:43:14 AM  

cyberspacedout: How could this happen? The EDD is on the cutting edge, using state-of-the-art COBOL computer systems.


You apparently don't get out much in the real world, but that's OK in these troubling times.  I understand.
 
2020-10-17 4:44:20 AM  
Let me guess, he's now running for President on the Republican ticket?
 
2020-10-17 4:56:11 AM  

Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight


Whenever the goverment is giving out money, there is always fraud. The question is, is it cheaper to allow the fraud then to pay for every little thing to be audited?
 
2020-10-17 5:19:38 AM  

Fara Clark: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Whenever the goverment is giving out money, there is always fraud. The question is, is it cheaper to allow the fraud then to pay for every little thing to be audited?


That's not the choice. What's going on is "you-had-ONE-job"-level incompetence.

One of the big problems leading to Medicare fraud is that when somebody applies for the Medicare provider ID that allows them to bill Medicare, the feds (I shiat you not) basically take the applicant's word for it.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services administers the NPI program. But ProPublica found that it did not verify whether applicants had valid medical licenses, which could be done easily by checking with state licensing boards. That missing step allowed Williams to collect at least 20 different NPI numbers and bill some of the nation's most prominent health insurers, Aetna, Cigna and UnitedHealthcare, for millions of dollars in bogus medical services.

The insurance companies auto-paid the claims without checking to see if Williams had a license. Over more than four years, Williams filed more than $25 million in false claims with the companies, reaping more than $4 million. Some insurers actually sent him letters noting he wasn't a doctor and was filing false claims, but they continued to pay new claims anyway.  In 2018, a jury convicted him of health care fraud and he's now in federal prison.

At his trial, investigators for the insurers said that their companies assume people are being honest when they file claims.


Silly insurance companies, thinking the federal government had done a proper job of verifying that providers really were providers.
 
2020-10-17 6:32:32 AM  

Gulper Eel: Fara Clark: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Whenever the goverment is giving out money, there is always fraud. The question is, is it cheaper to allow the fraud then to pay for every little thing to be audited?

That's not the choice. What's going on is "you-had-ONE-job"-level incompetence.

One of the big problems leading to Medicare fraud is that when somebody applies for the Medicare provider ID that allows them to bill Medicare, the feds (I shiat you not) basically take the applicant's word for it.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services administers the NPI program. But ProPublica found that it did not verify whether applicants had valid medical licenses, which could be done easily by checking with state licensing boards. That missing step allowed Williams to collect at least 20 different NPI numbers and bill some of the nation's most prominent health insurers, Aetna, Cigna and UnitedHealthcare, for millions of dollars in bogus medical services.

The insurance companies auto-paid the claims without checking to see if Williams had a license. Over more than four years, Williams filed more than $25 million in false claims with the companies, reaping more than $4 million. Some insurers actually sent him letters noting he wasn't a doctor and was filing false claims, but they continued to pay new claims anyway.  In 2018, a jury convicted him of health care fraud and he's now in federal prison.

At his trial, investigators for the insurers said that their companies assume people are being honest when they file claims.

Silly insurance companies, thinking the federal government had done a proper job of verifying that providers really were providers.


No one checks to make sure a company isn't a Ponzi scheme. And at look at the books would show that.
Hell, it tooks years for people to listen to the dude that figured out Maddoff was b.s.
 
2020-10-17 6:37:25 AM  

Spermbot: Cagey B: we need to dedicate more resources to oversight of how funding is spent, performed by professionals who administer the program. Which would benefit EDD here.

CA EDD is regularly blasted by state legislators for not processing claims fast enough AND using time-consuming processes designed to...wait for it...catch fraud. So, the oversight that's slowing down claims processing is ineffective, and you suggest more oversight designed by the same people?


That is a huge part of the problem. The government cute for everyone of their screw ups is more government.
 
2020-10-17 7:28:42 AM  

waxbeans: Gulper Eel: Fara Clark: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Whenever the goverment is giving out money, there is always fraud. The question is, is it cheaper to allow the fraud then to pay for every little thing to be audited?

That's not the choice. What's going on is "you-had-ONE-job"-level incompetence.

One of the big problems leading to Medicare fraud is that when somebody applies for the Medicare provider ID that allows them to bill Medicare, the feds (I shiat you not) basically take the applicant's word for it.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services administers the NPI program. But ProPublica found that it did not verify whether applicants had valid medical licenses, which could be done easily by checking with state licensing boards. That missing step allowed Williams to collect at least 20 different NPI numbers and bill some of the nation's most prominent health insurers, Aetna, Cigna and UnitedHealthcare, for millions of dollars in bogus medical services.

The insurance companies auto-paid the claims without checking to see if Williams had a license. Over more than four years, Williams filed more than $25 million in false claims with the companies, reaping more than $4 million. Some insurers actually sent him letters noting he wasn't a doctor and was filing false claims, but they continued to pay new claims anyway.  In 2018, a jury convicted him of health care fraud and he's now in federal prison.

At his trial, investigators for the insurers said that their companies assume people are being honest when they file claims.

Silly insurance companies, thinking the federal government had done a proper job of verifying that providers really were providers.

No one checks to make sure a company isn't a Ponzi scheme. And at look at the books would show that.
Hell, it tooks years for people to listen to the dude that figured out Maddoff was b.s.


What was really interesting with Madoff is he stole money from rich people who should have known better.
 
2020-10-17 8:18:38 AM  
For anyone who missed out on the effeminate video...

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2020-10-17 8:26:47 AM  

Cagey B: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

Huh. A stupid word salad of reflexively anti-government generalizations from a Trump supporter. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day of testing your own food for botulism and building your own roads to share that with us.


There is a significant amount of fraud in many programs that involve using tax dollars to pay for something, simply because the programs themselves are so complex and some people can almost inevitably find a way to game the system. It doesn't mean the programs are bad, but that more oversight does need to be exercised.

Benefits fraud exists as does fraud on contracts (road building, logistics, construction, etc) where government money is going to private companies. Often these scams go undetected for years or longer because the people running them are highly qualified and able to hide the missing money.
 
2020-10-17 9:34:37 AM  

punkwrestler: What was really interesting with Madoff is he stole money from rich people who should have known better.


Actually, it's ridiculous that a 3rd party isn't required to look at the books and confirm that the company isn't a Ponzi scheme.
Should a be second arm of the SEC.
 
2020-10-17 10:46:15 AM  
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2020-10-17 11:43:08 AM  

chitownmike: RedVentrue: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.

You are voting for Trump aren't you?


Hell no.
 
2020-10-17 11:43:50 AM  

waxbeans: RedVentrue: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.

And how do they get around the fingerprint?


How did this guy?
 
2020-10-17 11:45:06 AM  

waxbeans: RedVentrue: waxbeans: Gulper Eel: That's great. They managed to catch the one guy who was stupidly obvious about his fraud.

Successful fraud goes undetected - so it's damn hard to measure. Remember that the next time a government flunky touts what a low fraud rate their programs experience. By definition, they're giving you a lowball number. How lowball it is depends on what kind of job they're doing on oversight.

And when there's plenty of political pressure to make yourself conspicuous by throwing money around first and asking questions maybe later, you can imagine what happens to the quality of oversight

🙄
Yeah, sure. Let me guess the people in front of you bought lobster with a food card.
🙄

It's not about that. It's about a fairly small group of people who use dozens to hundreds of fake or stolen identities to bleed the system. I imagine the ones who are smart enough to keep their heads down and their mouths shut about it are pretty successful.

🙄
Yeah yeah.
And somebody got rich on Herbalife.

Hahaha hahaha
Sure someone did but the vast majority got ripped off


That's why it's wrong.
 
2020-10-17 2:55:16 PM  

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For a split second, the video even shows an envelope with a recipient's name and address visible. It's out of focus, but still somewhat legible... I'll bet that guy's gonna be pissed if he finds out.
 
2020-10-17 8:15:38 PM  
First, for some reason you never hear about all the people helped by programs like this, just the criminals

Second, ok, this system got to be easy to game cause I have to jump through hoops every goddamn time I get SNAP renewed

Finally, when did gangsta rappers get to be such pussys, even the reformed ones are laughing and pointing at you
 
2020-10-17 8:39:32 PM  
He coulda gone old school.

You down with EDD?
Yeah, you know me!
 
2020-10-17 9:49:18 PM  

baka-san: First, for some reason you never hear about all the people helped by programs like this, just the criminals

Second, ok, this system got to be easy to game cause I have to jump through hoops every goddamn time I get SNAP renewed

Finally, when did gangsta rappers get to be such pussys, even the reformed ones are laughing and pointing at you


1.  No, you don't - us poor folk are always crims of course - hanging in my volcano lair on my munificent 1k a month
2.  Yeah it'd be cute to try some of this shiat with the disability peeps - it'd be a wee bit harder there as well.  I'm getting reviewed right now and I've been disabled for 15 farking years with a permanent condition.
3.  You might be surprised - they just be laughing at him for admitting it where there's a record.  The basic scheme not so much - bangers like easy money with next to no risk as much as anyone.

/next to no risk if you don't go around bragging about it like a dumbfark that is
 
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