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(Twitter)   Europa Clipper will have to be put in storage because the law says it must be launched on an SLS, which won't be available until 2025, instead of the cheaper Falcon Heavy which NASA would prefer. Thanks Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL)   (twitter.com) divider line
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2020-10-16 4:46:45 PM  
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2020-10-16 4:51:16 PM  
That's what happens when law stupidly gets involved in science.
 
2020-10-16 5:02:45 PM  

BizarreMan: That's what happens when law stupidly Alabama gets involved in science.


FTFY
 
2020-10-16 5:05:58 PM  
/ I mean, really - who the f*ck thought these guys were a good fit for the job?

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2020-10-16 7:38:28 PM  
They should sell it to a university for a dollar then divert funds to launch it with SpaceX. None of this back handed political pork bullshiat.
 
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2020-10-16 9:56:03 PM  
SLS is likely never going to fly.  Therefore Europa Clipper is never going to fly.
 
2020-10-16 10:14:22 PM  
They have to follow the law.  Last time I checked, laws can be changed. Congress, the ball is in your court.
 
2020-10-16 10:15:37 PM  
How specifically picky is the law written?  Can you just rename a Falcon Heavy a "Space Launch System"?
 
2020-10-16 10:32:37 PM  
This vehicle is going to end up dusty and rusting away in some hangar like an old Soviet Buran.
 
2020-10-16 10:38:38 PM  

fragMasterFlash: This vehicle is going to end up dusty and rusting away in some hangar like an old Soviet Buran.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Sp​a​ce_Climate_Observatory

GoreSat was put in storage in 2001 and wasn't launched until 2015.
 
2020-10-16 10:50:27 PM  

runwiz: They have to follow the law.  Last time I checked, laws can be changed. Congress, the ball is in your court.


The trouble is that Europa Clipper's critical design review is scheduled for December, and that review is intended to close out the window for significant design changes and give contractors the green light to build the flight hardware.  That still happens under the 116th Congress, so ain't nothing gonna change until it's too late to change it efficiently.

I don't know how fast a new congress could push through any changes to the law, or how much more expensive the changes to the engineering would be post-CDR.  Naively, it would seem technically possible to start unfarking things only a few weeks after CDR, and the scope of the engineering changes may not be too wide.  I'm sure there are a bunch of bureaucratic reasons it doesn't work like that, though.
 
2020-10-17 12:07:43 AM  

BizarreMan: That's what happens when law stupidly gets involved in science.


This never had to do with being -involved- with science. This was always about simply stealing from it.
The Senate Launch System was always about pouring money into certain districts and donors pockets. NASA never wanted it.
 
2020-10-17 2:24:47 AM  

Dryad: BizarreMan: That's what happens when law stupidly gets involved in science.

This never had to do with being -involved- with science. This was always about simply stealing from it.
The Senate Launch System was always about pouring money into certain districts and donors pockets. NASA never wanted it.


Could we launch the Senate? Launch McConnell, Graham and Nunes on a trip around the moon...... Triton
 
2020-10-17 8:24:03 AM  

kyleaugustus: How specifically picky is the law written?  Can you just rename a Falcon Heavy a "Space Launch System"?


NASA is already saying there are "compatibility" problems with the SLS
 
2020-10-17 8:48:53 AM  

Dryad: BizarreMan: That's what happens when law stupidly gets involved in science.

This never had to do with being -involved- with science. This was always about simply stealing from it.
The Senate Launch System was always about pouring money into certain districts and donors pockets. NASA never wanted it.


It's not a simple issue tho...
NASA wants to go to the moon and Mars, so needs the capability.  It doesn't need that specific rocket anymore than it needed the shuttle it's parts derive from, but this was a sacrifice made in the hope of resuming manned exploration.  It's also been deprived of alternatives by the same political forces that locked its hands.
Sls, like Europa clipper, exists in that Goldilocks zone where you have the backing to do the thing so long as the politicians get their share.

We now have options that come from outside the usual channels. Someone went and started development on an sls competitor. It may be possible to do all of sls' s missions without sls.
...But this was not part of congresses plan, and so missions that were allowed to protect sls' s existence are now held back since we aren't allowed to use alternatives.

So this is a bit of a gamble on Bidenstiens part. He's showing congress that we don't have enough flexibility.  The risk is that congress just ups and cancels programs or says "so what?". It only cares about sls because it gets money from that, not the alternatives. It wouldn't give two shiats about the clipper otherwise.
NASA cares about the mission, Congress does not.
 
2020-10-17 10:39:49 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: kyleaugustus: How specifically picky is the law written?  Can you just rename a Falcon Heavy a "Space Launch System"?

NASA is already saying there are "compatibility" problems with the SLS


Helluva 'System'.
 
2020-10-17 10:51:52 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: kyleaugustus: How specifically picky is the law written?  Can you just rename a Falcon Heavy a "Space Launch System"?

NASA is already saying there are "compatibility" problems with the SLS

Helluva 'System'.


probably overblown to argue they have to use the Falcon
 
2020-10-17 1:19:11 PM  

sithon: Dryad: BizarreMan: That's what happens when law stupidly gets involved in science.

This never had to do with being -involved- with science. This was always about simply stealing from it.
The Senate Launch System was always about pouring money into certain districts and donors pockets. NASA never wanted it.

Could we launch the Senate? Launch McConnell, Graham and Nunes on a trip around the moon...... Triton


With the right speed and trajectory they should make it back in 100 years.
 
2020-10-17 4:26:37 PM  

sithon: Dryad: BizarreMan: That's what happens when law stupidly gets involved in science.

This never had to do with being -involved- with science. This was always about simply stealing from it.
The Senate Launch System was always about pouring money into certain districts and donors pockets. NASA never wanted it.

Could we launch the Senate? Launch McConnell, Graham and Nunes on a trip around the moon...... Triton


Around the Sun... with a small but significant navigation "error"
 
6 days ago  
This is the same kind of thinking that gave the space shuttle o-rings.
 
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