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(New York Review of Books)   Former US Presidents usually keep their security clearances. But as in so many other ways, Donald Trump could be an unusual President   (nybooks.com) divider line
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3 days ago  
I'm pretty sure he has the same effective clearance as Vlad Putin right now, for our general safety. At least I hope that's true.
 
3 days ago  
LOL, it's academic. I doubt they have secure computers at Sing Sing Prison.
 
3 days ago  
oh you get a daily terror briefing in prison
and a daily terrorizing debriefing, too.
 
3 days ago  
Just because you have the clearance doesn't mean that you're going to be able to access it without a good reason.
 
3 days ago  
Who gets to do the de-briefing?
 
3 days ago  
I'm pretty sure his security clearance is already quite restricted (unofficially of course) and that if he loses the election it'll be restricted a lot more before Inauguration Day. We may be stupid a lot but we're not suicidal.
 
3 days ago  
He also doesn't know any secrets because he never bothers to learn anything.  Ever.
 
3 days ago  

Lambskincoat: I'm pretty sure he has the same effective clearance as Vlad Putin right now, for our general safety. At least I hope that's true.


That is technically true in that Vladimir Putin has been given full access to all of America's classified intel.
 
3 days ago  
It would be hard to use your security clearance when you've been executed for Treason anyway.
 
3 days ago  
He'd sell that security clearance for a used Honda if he had the chance.
 
3 days ago  
No one who owes Russians $412 MILLION should have access to US state secrets, full stop.
 
3 days ago  

wejash: LOL, it's academic. I doubt they have secure computers at Sing Sing Prison.


He's going to have an iPhone smuggled in up his ass.

"The food is terrible, very low quality, not nearly as good as the taco salad from Trump Tower. Sad!"
 
3 days ago  
He shouldn't have one NOW. He sure as fark shouldn't have one after he leaves. Christ.

And I'm guessing (pretty sure I remember from previous threads about security clearances) that ex-presidents don't get the same one as the current president. They aren't privy to EVERYTHING the current president sees. Honestly, I can't imagine why any ex-president needs a security clearance, but (shrug)
 
3 days ago  
All former presidents have access to the President's Daily Brief.

They also get a diplomatic passport for life.

Can Biden take both those away from Trump?
 
3 days ago  
FTFA:  It has been the government's general practice to assume that presidents and other high-level officials continue to enjoy the nation's trust on leaving office, but their access to classified information is a matter of custom, not of any right established in law. If he is out of office next January 20, Trump's access to secrets would be a matter for the next president to approve or deny or ask someone else to weigh and consider, quietly in committee, or, perhaps, with a broader end in view, on the grand scale by a commission.

Very simple decision.  He should be denied clearance based on the fact that he should have been denied one in the first place.  He IS a security threat.
 
3 days ago  
Didn't he blab to the world, on TV, while sitting next to Putin, where our submarines where?
 
3 days ago  
He'll flee to Russia to avoid prison and still somehow manage to feed secrets to Putin.
 
3 days ago  
From what I've heard, Carter, Clinton, W, and Obama get along pretty well.  It's gonna be very awkard if Trump shows up at brunch.
 
3 days ago  

wejash: LOL, it's academic. I doubt they have secure computers at Sing Sing Prison.


Trump in prison eating nutraloaf while arguing over who gets the TV remote would bring a smile to my face.
 
3 days ago  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: He shouldn't have one NOW. He sure as fark shouldn't have one after he leaves. Christ.

And I'm guessing (pretty sure I remember from previous threads about security clearances) that ex-presidents don't get the same one as the current president. They aren't privy to EVERYTHING the current president sees. Honestly, I can't imagine why any ex-president needs a security clearance, but (shrug)


The current president may want to ask a former president for advice, and the former president having a security clearance makes it easier for the current president to talk to him.
 
3 days ago  
Trump's dementia-addled brain: "As President, I never needed a security clearance, so I never had to sign anything saying I wouldn't reveal any classified information for profit.  But that classified information is worth a lot of money and, as a genius businessman, I can't leave that kind of money on the table.  Daddy's got a shiat ton of loans to pay.  Those suckers should have made me sign an NDA, like smart me would have done."

/yes, I'm well aware [that's not how any of this works.jpg]
//you really think Trump understands that?
///or cares?
 
3 days ago  
He isn't even aware that he's been getting these for the past 4 years.  It didn't come with crayons.
 
3 days ago  
Can you get security briefings on Death Row?

Do his SS have to follow him into the afterlife?
 
3 days ago  
Just because someone has clearance, does not mean that they are allowed to view or hear classified material.
Hopefully his stops at the five year period and he's not allowed to re-up.
 
3 days ago  

dustman81: All former presidents have access to the President's Daily Brief.

They also get a diplomatic passport for life.

Can Biden take both those away from Trump?


In practice no, in effect yes. Because neither of those things are of any use to an inmate of a federal supermax prison. Which is where traitors and the treasonous go if they're not outright executed.
 
3 days ago  

fragMasterFlash: No one who owes Russians $412 MILLION should have access to US state secrets, full stop.


Fact.  I was once almost denied my initial TS clearance based on $10k debt until I submitted a formal plan for how I was going to reduce my debt-to-income ratio, which involved a direct allotment out of my military pay.

To be fair to OPM, my debt-to-income was around 37%, so good call on them.
 
3 days ago  
Why the hell do former president's keep their security clearance?

abhorrent1: Didn't he blab to the world, on TV, while sitting next to Putin, where our submarines where?


It's only fair, we know where all the russian subs are.  Imploded on the ocean floor.
 
3 days ago  

Raoul Eaton: From what I've heard, Carter, Clinton, W, and Obama get along pretty well.  It's gonna be very awkard if Trump shows up at brunch.


The way Carter, Bush Jr., Obama, and Clinton acted towards Trump at Bush Sr.'s funeral speaks volumes about what they think of him.
 
3 days ago  
I'm not exactly sure how this would work, but I have tossed around the idea that if someone couldn't get a security clearance, they couldn't be president.

It would probably take a Constitutional amendment. I could see it being abused. But the flip side of that is someone like Donald Trump, who put the entire country in danger. That's not right, either.
 
3 days ago  
neongoats if everybody had done their jobs to defend the United States of America, instead of jumping on the treason train to steal from the poor and give to the rich, Trump would be awaiting execution as we speak.

but they didn't fight for America or Americans.

far as i'm concerned they can stand in line with Herr Drumpf
 
3 days ago  
Are we pretending that Trump actually has the inclination or ability to request and understand briefings once he's out of office? I've been under the impression that he basically gets a children's story book version of a briefing already, a couple of pages littered with illustrations and his own name, and he can't even be bothered to read that most of the time.

I expect that regardless of what he's entitled to receive, Trump's actual source of information will remain what it has always been: Fox, OANN, and conspiracy theory Twitter.
 
3 days ago  

notmyjab: He isn't even aware that he's been getting these for the past 4 years.  It didn't come with crayons.


Or pictures.
 
3 days ago  

transporter_ii: I'm not exactly sure how this would work, but I have tossed around the idea that if someone couldn't get a security clearance, they couldn't be president.

It would probably take a Constitutional amendment. I could see it being abused. But the flip side of that is someone like Donald Trump, who put the entire country in danger. That's not right, either.


To get a security clearance means being of strong moral character and having your affairs in such order that you wouldn't be tempted by financial gain to sell secrets to foreign powers. It might help prevent future presidents with no character, no moral fiber, and a serious financial incentive to sell out the men and women of the armed forces and intelligence apparatus. You know, like Donald Dipshiat.
 
3 days ago  

fragMasterFlash: No one who owes Russians $412 MILLION should have access to US state secrets, full stop.


It's closer to a billion.
 
3 days ago  
What good is a security clearance when you are on Rikers Island?
 
3 days ago  

dustman81: All former presidents have access to the President's Daily Brief.

They also get a diplomatic passport for life.

Can Biden take both those away from Trump?


I think the President can revoke security clearances, since the ability to classify information falls under the Executive Branch's authorities in the Constitution.  I assume that the President could also revoke diplomatic passports, since foreign relations and diplomacy also fall under the authority of the Executive Branch.

Were I elected President, I would instruct the intelligence agencies to prepare a special daily briefing report for Donald that simply said, "you drool, I rule, loser."  Every day.  For the rest of his life.
 
3 days ago  

dustman81: Smelly Pirate Hooker: He shouldn't have one NOW. He sure as fark shouldn't have one after he leaves. Christ.

And I'm guessing (pretty sure I remember from previous threads about security clearances) that ex-presidents don't get the same one as the current president. They aren't privy to EVERYTHING the current president sees. Honestly, I can't imagine why any ex-president needs a security clearance, but (shrug)

The current president may want to ask a former president for advice, and the former president having a security clearance makes it easier for the current president to talk to him.


OK, duly noted. Thanks
 
3 days ago  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: He shouldn't have one NOW. He sure as fark shouldn't have one after he leaves. Christ.

And I'm guessing (pretty sure I remember from previous threads about security clearances) that ex-presidents don't get the same one as the current president. They aren't privy to EVERYTHING the current president sees. Honestly, I can't imagine why any ex-president needs a security clearance, but (shrug)


Prior sitting Presidents have often consulted with previous Presidents on difficult matters.  Obama did it. Bush Jr. did it.  It's a long-standing tradition when you want to know the opinion of someone who has been in your shoes before.
 
3 days ago  
At least change all government computer passwords from password to p@ssword.
 
3 days ago  

Dawnrazor: Were I elected President, I would instruct the intelligence agencies to prepare a special daily briefing report for Donald that simply said, "you drool, I rule, loser."  Every day.  For the rest of his life.


You're assuming Trump reads the PDB, which is doubtful as it assumes he can read.
 
3 days ago  
Why should Trump know America's secrets when America isn't able to know the details of his secrets?
 
3 days ago  
They should brief him on something that is plausible but absolutely untrue to see who he sells it to, than hang him for treason.  Sitting presidents are allowed to declassify info.  Impeached former presidents can't.
 
3 days ago  

dustman81: All former presidents have access to the President's Daily Brief.

They also get a diplomatic passport for life.

Can Biden take both those away from Trump?


His Daily Brief will contain his Zoom schedule of court appearances, Intel debriefings and IRS audit sessions.

No passport available to convicted felons deemed a flight risk.  No passport needed while incarcerated anyway.
 
3 days ago  

dustman81: Dawnrazor: Were I elected President, I would instruct the intelligence agencies to prepare a special daily briefing report for Donald that simply said, "you drool, I rule, loser."  Every day.  For the rest of his life.

You're assuming Trump reads the PDB, which is doubtful as it assumes he can read.


Good point.  How about a folder that says "hot nekkid pics of Ivanka" on the outside, but inside, Goatse?
 
3 days ago  

dustman81: Smelly Pirate Hooker: He shouldn't have one NOW. He sure as fark shouldn't have one after he leaves. Christ.

And I'm guessing (pretty sure I remember from previous threads about security clearances) that ex-presidents don't get the same one as the current president. They aren't privy to EVERYTHING the current president sees. Honestly, I can't imagine why any ex-president needs a security clearance, but (shrug)

The current president may want to ask a former president for advice, and the former president having a security clearance makes it easier for the current president to talk to him.


We still have Carter, Bubba, W and Obama. I should hope Biden would ask them rather than the orange idiot.
 
3 days ago  
Just, please God, tell me he can't actually launch a missile all by himself.
 
3 days ago  

dustman81: They also get a diplomatic passport for life.


So thats how Bush hasnt been arrested for war crimes and crimes against humanity yet...

This whole thing needs to end.
 
3 days ago  

no shirt no shoes: They should brief him on something that is plausible but absolutely untrue


Every liberal scientist will tell you mermaids aren't real, that's how you know it's true Mr. Trump.
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3 days ago  
He shouldn't have security clearance now.
 
3 days ago  

JRoo: Just, please God, tell me he can't actually launch a missile all by himself.


Yes he can. Ask any expert. He totally can.

All those who says he cant are in denial/dont know what the fark they are thinking about.

/that power needs to disappear, it should be at least 3 votes from like the top CIA, joint chief/defense secretary and the president
 
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