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4 days ago  
Thanks, Adama.
 
4 days ago  
Well every time a Latin American country elects a left wing leader the US orchestrates a coup to install a dictator so it makes sense that they'd be wary of voting for left wing leadership here.
 
4 days ago  
That's Chief Justice Mendoza to you pal
 
4 days ago  
He went on to ask "What is Latinx?"
 
4 days ago  
I tried to RTFA but I kept reverting to his Admiral Adams voice and it was taking forever.
 
4 days ago  
Olmos can say Latinos are conservatives but doesn't say why conservatives should back Trump.
 
4 days ago  

Bowen: I tried to RTFA but I kept reverting to his Admiral Adams voice and it was taking forever.


Adama. Why isn't that already in my autocomplete dictionary?
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Well every time a Latin American country elects a left wing leader the US orchestrates a coup to install a dictator so it makes sense that they'd be wary of voting for left wing leadership here.


I'm loving the irony of the notion that Latino and Hispanic voters are voting for conservatives as a way to protect the rest of us from ourselves.  Like, that's some 200IQ shiat right there.
 
d23 [OhFark]
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Well every time a Latin American country elects a left wing leader the US orchestrates a coup to install a dictator so it makes sense that they'd be wary of voting for left wing leadership here.


I hate to admit it but that is a good point.  Go read "The Shock Doctrine".
 
4 days ago  
Trump needs to go. So say we all*.

* All not valid if susceptible to gaslighting or lack critical thinking.
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Well every time a Latin American country elects a left wing leader the US orchestrates a coup to install a dictator so it makes sense that they'd be wary of voting for left wing leadership here.


Coup d'état
 
4 days ago  

HotWingConspiracy: He went on to ask "What is Latinx?"


Except he's the one who used the term, Latinx".

I've many Asian acquaintances who are conservative and Trump supporters despite having been victims of racist degradation. They believe themselves to be wealthy (they're not) and would have a lower tax bill under Republican administrations (they wouldn't). They're pleasant and intelligent people otherwise, but can't be reasoned with in this respect so I just don't bring up politics around them.
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Well every time a Latin American country elects a left wing leader the US orchestrates a coup to install a dictator so it makes sense that they'd be wary of voting for left wing leadership here.


So, I'll vote for the guy that actually wants to be a dictator. That makes sense.

/It doesn't.
 
4 days ago  
Pre pandemic I was spending a lot of time around Latin Americans and I can tell you that as a group they are not homogeneous. Cubans, Mexicans, etc all have different viewpoints. Just saying Latinos are conservative is way off the mark.
 
4 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: HotWingConspiracy: He went on to ask "What is Latinx?"

Except he's the one who used the term, Latinx".


In a different article? He's quoted as saying Latinos in this one.

Based on that article posted here the other day, he's in a demo least likely to use the term.
 
4 days ago  
This means that Biden is a Cylon and is therefore disqualified to run for office.
 
4 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: HotWingConspiracy: He went on to ask "What is Latinx?"

Except he's the one who used the term, Latinx".

I've many Asian acquaintances who are conservative and Trump supporters despite having been victims of racist degradation. They believe themselves to be wealthy (they're not) and would have a lower tax bill under Republican administrations (they wouldn't). They're pleasant and intelligent people otherwise, but can't be reasoned with in this respect so I just don't bring up politics around them.


Joe Biden has already promised to immediately roll back the Trump tax cuts, so, yeah, your friends taxes would go up right away.
 
4 days ago  
Everyone has an opinion. Anecdotally I'm not too surprised. My kids went to a school that was half Latin, half white. IME Latin people aren't a particularly great natural fit for the Democratic party; no better than any other ethnic bloc, anyway.  I've see it being pretty common that they can tend just as much toward social conservatism and lack of patience for anyone perceived as living on money they didn't work for as anyone else. As far as I can tell, if Republicans weren't so prejudiced they could probably pick up a lot of voters from that group. So anyone who was counting on demographic changes to lock in a Democratic majority, you might not want to consider this group a lock for the party.
 
4 days ago  
He's not wrong, and the same with African American's. It's the reason, imho, that Trump has been able to garner more support from those voting blocks than any other Republican. Trump didn't run nor has he governed as your typical "Republican" so it was easy for him to shed the scarlet "R" and let them listen to him.

Add to that the outreach his Administration has made to those communities and it's not really a surprise. I imagine Ice Cube is going to cause a few more people to give Trump a second thought as well.
 
4 days ago  
Hmm. Not sure I agree. I have always thought Catholic anti-choice sentiment was the main driver - at least among the Latinx people in SoCal where I live.
One big exception would be Cubans who are still mad at Castro for taking their stuff, if you count Cubans as Latinx. The socialist/commie ooga-booga works pretty well on them.
They sit around and was nostalgic about Batista, and how wonderful great granddaddy's sugar cane plantation was, and how the happy campesinos used to sing all day, they were so happy.
Sound familiar? The only thing missing is the Stars and Bars.
 
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4 days ago  

pdieten: Everyone has an opinion. Anecdotally I'm not too surprised. My kids went to a school that was half Latin, half white. IME Latin people aren't a particularly great natural fit for the Democratic party; no better than any other ethnic bloc, anyway.  I've see it being pretty common that they can tend just as much toward social conservatism and lack of patience for anyone perceived as living on money they didn't work for as anyone else. As far as I can tell, if Republicans weren't so prejudiced they could probably pick up a lot of voters from that group. So anyone who was counting on demographic changes to lock in a Democratic majority, you might not want to consider this group a lock for the party.


I am confused... what part of the political spectrum are you talking about here?  Trust fund babies vs. non-existent welfare queens.
 
4 days ago  
So say we all.
 
4 days ago  
Maybe the ones in Holly Wood
 
4 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: I've many Asian acquaintances who are conservative and Trump supporters despite having been victims of racist degradation. They believe themselves to be wealthy (they're not) and would have a lower tax bill under Republican administrations (they wouldn't). They're pleasant and intelligent people otherwise, but can't be reasoned with in this respect so I just don't bring up politics around them.


Not to pick on you but I wanted to point out some inaccuracies and an internal bias that showed in your post.

I've many Asian acquaintances who are conservative and Trump supporters despite having been victims of racist degradation.

What "racist degradation" have they received as a result of Trump? I would think the racial quota's in higher education that negatively impact Asians more than any other group that Trump is fighting would be the most racially degrading issue they face - which would be a reason to support Trump. I mean unless you think an Asian woman should need to score higher on her SAT's than a white dude to get into college?

They believe themselves to be wealthy (they're not)

People define personal "wealth" very differently and it doesn't always mean just financially. They may be financially content but still consider themselves "wealthy" in other areas. It might be worth having that discussion.

and would have a lower tax bill under Republican administrations (they wouldn't).

Considering the Trump Tax cuts lowered their taxes and Biden has promised to repeal it on day 1, they're right, their taxes would be lower under a second Trump administration than if Biden were to be elected.

They're pleasant and intelligent people otherwise, but can't be reasoned with in this respect so I just don't bring up politics around them.

If they're pleasant and intelligent people otherwise, maybe the problem isn't them?
 
4 days ago  

drjekel_mrhyde: Maybe the ones in Holly Wood


A fat bank account has can definitely bring out a person's so-called "conservative" tendencies.
 
4 days ago  

CanisNoir: He's not wrong, and the same with African American's. It's the reason, imho, that Trump has been able to garner more support from those voting blocks than any other Republican. Trump didn't run nor has he governed as your typical "Republican" so it was easy for him to shed the scarlet "R" and let them listen to him.

Add to that the outreach his Administration has made to those communities and it's not really a surprise. I imagine Ice Cube is going to cause a few more people to give Trump a second thought as well.


Yeah he's white hot right now, really has the ear of the masses.

Has it really not dawned on you that blexit is astroturf?

That's not to say that earnest black republicans don't exist, because they do, but this notion that there is some great exodus away from the democratic party collapses when you look at the numbers.
 
4 days ago  

jso2897: Hmm. Not sure I agree. I have always thought Catholic anti-choice sentiment was the main driver - at least among the Latinx people in SoCal where I live.
One big exception would be Cubans who are still mad at Castro for taking their stuff, if you count Cubans as Latinx. The socialist/commie ooga-booga works pretty well on them.
They sit around and was nostalgic about Batista, and how wonderful great granddaddy's sugar cane plantation was, and how the happy campesinos used to sing all day, they were so happy.
Sound familiar? The only thing missing is the Stars and Bars.


This is an accurate description of the Cuban perspective on this, at least for Cubans that came pre-1980.

For example, a close relative agrees with cheap/free health insurance, paid for with taxes, and doesn't think Obamacare goes far enough.

However, she won't vote democratic because Communism and abortion.  She says that they will take my house, just like Castro seized our house in Cuba, and now there are 3 families living there eating their one chicken per month.

Seriously.  Someone who hasn't been to Cuba since 1960 is an expert about not only how the average Cuban lives, but also an expert on how the 3 families living in her childhood home are living.

You can't get through to these people and the GOP knows it.  They are insane.
 
4 days ago  

zeroman987: jso2897: Hmm. Not sure I agree. I have always thought Catholic anti-choice sentiment was the main driver - at least among the Latinx people in SoCal where I live.
One big exception would be Cubans who are still mad at Castro for taking their stuff, if you count Cubans as Latinx. The socialist/commie ooga-booga works pretty well on them.
They sit around and was nostalgic about Batista, and how wonderful great granddaddy's sugar cane plantation was, and how the happy campesinos used to sing all day, they were so happy.
Sound familiar? The only thing missing is the Stars and Bars.

This is an accurate description of the Cuban perspective on this, at least for Cubans that came pre-1980.

For example, a close relative agrees with cheap/free health insurance, paid for with taxes, and doesn't think Obamacare goes far enough.

However, she won't vote democratic because Communism and abortion.  She says that they will take my house, just like Castro seized our house in Cuba, and now there are 3 families living there eating their one chicken per month.

Seriously.  Someone who hasn't been to Cuba since 1960 is an expert about not only how the average Cuban lives, but also an expert on how the 3 families living in her childhood home are living.

You can't get through to these people and the GOP knows it.  They are insane.


Other than Cubans, I don't know where this Latinx "support" for Trump is supposed to be. There is certainly zero support for him among the Mexican-American and and Central/South American people here in SoCal - he';s going to get smashed here - and not by "white liberals" as the Right like to imagine their thousands of bitter enemies are limited to.
 
4 days ago  
Conservative, as in Catholic. As in "someone has to save the babies" and they want to believe that any Republican, even Trump, will save the babies

Emotional single-issue voters... Whatever the emotional wedge issue, the Republicans have talking points for it, and these literally non-thinking people will vote Red till they're Dead. If they're that disengaged on every other issue then I'd prefer they stopped voting
 
4 days ago  
Mostly their religious views put their abortion opinion above Human Rights and Fundamental Social Rights and Freedoms. Spinning an individuals choice into forced compliance based on religious belief, yes, the single issue voter is always a "conservative".
 
4 days ago  
"Latinx" is farking stupid and 98% of Latinos disapprove of the term. They really don't appreciate Anglophones' attempts to degender their language.
 
4 days ago  

Riothamus: "Latinx" is farking stupid and 98% of Latinos disapprove of the term. They really don't appreciate Anglophones' attempts to degender their language.


You aren't wrong - but I don't like to offend people, so I use whatever is fashionable and acceptable in the context of whatever discussion I am in.
My experience is that most verbal conventions are passing fads. Anyway - if you don't like the current iteration, just wait for the new one - it won't be long.
I don't swim upstream just to "stiggit to the PC people" - it's not my definition of adult behavior.
 
4 days ago  
538 had a pretty good breakdown of the Latino vote a few weeks ago that was titled "There is no Such Thing as 'The Latino Vote.'"

TL;DR- Their backstories are too diverse to really count them as a single block the way you would with other races, although of course you can try and almost have to for some purposes. There are plenty who hate Trump and Republicans for the obvious and not-obvious reasons, but there are also ones who like him because:

-They come directly from a Communist or Latin American-style socialist country and are overcorrecting into conservatism
-Catholic fundamentalists
-Inter-Latino racism. Some lighter-skinned Lantinos look down on the darker-skinned ones, especially the new arrivals.

That said, the argument in TFA is bullshiat. Biden's support among Latinos is like 65%.
 
4 days ago  

Fireproof: That said, the argument in TFA is bullshiat. Biden's support among Latinos is like 65%.


Slightly more - and growing fast. And as far as blacks  - forget it. Trump will get no significant, measurable black vote.
 
4 days ago  

jso2897: Fireproof: That said, the argument in TFA is bullshiat. Biden's support among Latinos is like 65%.

Slightly more - and growing fast. And as far as blacks  - forget it. Trump will get no significant, measurable black vote.


Yeah, that article is like three weeks old, but it both explains the Latino Trump vote and gives numbers that prove the guy in TFA wrong.
 
4 days ago  

entangl3d: Pre pandemic I was spending a lot of time around Latin Americans and I can tell you that as a group they are not homogeneous. Cubans, Mexicans, etc all have different viewpoints. Just saying Latinos are conservative is way off the mark.


It's that whole Catholic thing.

The Holy Roman Empire lives on.
 
4 days ago  

jso2897: Riothamus: "Latinx" is farking stupid and 98% of Latinos disapprove of the term. They really don't appreciate Anglophones' attempts to degender their language.

You aren't wrong - but I don't like to offend people, so I use whatever is fashionable and acceptable in the context of whatever discussion I am in.
My experience is that most verbal conventions are passing fads. Anyway - if you don't like the current iteration, just wait for the new one - it won't be long.
I don't swim upstream just to "stiggit to the PC people" - it's not my definition of adult behavior.


I don't know, whitewashing a language to make some white people feel more morally superior is pretty offensive.  Es no buenx, mi amigx.
 
4 days ago  

jso2897: zeroman987: jso2897: Hmm. Not sure I agree. I have always thought Catholic anti-choice sentiment was the main driver - at least among the Latinx people in SoCal where I live.
One big exception would be Cubans who are still mad at Castro for taking their stuff, if you count Cubans as Latinx. The socialist/commie ooga-booga works pretty well on them.
They sit around and was nostalgic about Batista, and how wonderful great granddaddy's sugar cane plantation was, and how the happy campesinos used to sing all day, they were so happy.
Sound familiar? The only thing missing is the Stars and Bars.

This is an accurate description of the Cuban perspective on this, at least for Cubans that came pre-1980.

For example, a close relative agrees with cheap/free health insurance, paid for with taxes, and doesn't think Obamacare goes far enough.

However, she won't vote democratic because Communism and abortion.  She says that they will take my house, just like Castro seized our house in Cuba, and now there are 3 families living there eating their one chicken per month.

Seriously.  Someone who hasn't been to Cuba since 1960 is an expert about not only how the average Cuban lives, but also an expert on how the 3 families living in her childhood home are living.

You can't get through to these people and the GOP knows it.  They are insane.

Other than Cubans, I don't know where this Latinx "support" for Trump is supposed to be. There is certainly zero support for him among the Mexican-American and and Central/South American people here in SoCal - he';s going to get smashed here - and not by "white liberals" as the Right like to imagine their thousands of bitter enemies are limited to.


No, there's a lot more than zero. Take a look at SoCal south of Orange County, and count all the Republican reps etc.  That list does not lack Latinos.
 
4 days ago  

HotWingConspiracy: He went on to ask "What is Latinx?"


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4 days ago  

entangl3d: Pre pandemic I was spending a lot of time around Latin Americans and I can tell you that as a group they are not homogeneous. Cubans, Mexicans, etc all have different viewpoints. Just saying Latinos are conservative is way off the mark.


Latino, as one those stupid labels America gives people so we can better tell them how they should think appreciate their diversity, is much more diverse than "white people" and "black people".  It's a definition that covers everyone from Cameron Diaz to Alberto Fujimori to Big Papi to Martin Sheen.  Pretending there is anything approaching a shared experience makes thinking much easier, but is intellectually stupid.  I am one of the whitest looking guys imaginable but have a Colombian mother.
 
4 days ago  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: No, there's a lot more than zero.


You are right of course, and pardon my hyperbole. There is no such thing as literally  "Zero support" in a highly diverse state of 33 million some-odd people.
Consider my tongue bitten.
 
4 days ago  
It's gotta be primarily Cubans and Evangelical latinos.  Cubans are still butthurt over Elian Gonzalez, and they bought McCarthyism hook, line and sinker.  Also, the ones of European descent are really racist. They had no problems with the wet foot/dry foot policy.  The GOP fully embraced that policy, but offering the same to Haitians, Dominicans, Mexicans or Central Americans was always out of the question for them. So now South Florida is heavily populated with Cuban American McCarthyists.  See Cesar Sayoc, aka the Maga Bomber and his Pro Trump Vanifesto.

Here in SoCal all the mexicans in my family are catholic, except for a pretty sizeable portion which are evangelicals.  They're church is pro trump, so they are pro trump. Some of them are related to undocumented immigrants by marriage, and they still voted for trump.

They're only source of news comes from their friend's facebook feeds. I tried telling them once that trump is a crook with terrible policies for the poor and working people, which all my family are, and they looked at me as if I had been speaking mandarin.  If you're in an evangelical trump loving church, you're in a cult.  It's not about persuasion with cult members. They can't be swayed.  For them, only deprogramming can save them.
 
4 days ago  

FLMountainMan: I don't know, whitewashing a language to make some white people feel more morally superior is pretty offensive. Es no buenx, mi amigx.


You can grumble about it if that suits you - I'm not the boss of you.
I won't be joining you, though - waste of my time.
 
4 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: HotWingConspiracy: He went on to ask "What is Latinx?"

Except he's the one who used the term, Latinx".

I've many Asian acquaintances who are conservative and Trump supporters despite having been victims of racist degradation. They believe themselves to be wealthy (they're not) and would have a lower tax bill under Republican administrations (they wouldn't). They're pleasant and intelligent people otherwise, but can't be reasoned with in this respect so I just don't bring up politics around them.


They don't sound pleasant.
 
4 days ago  

jso2897: And as far as blacks  - forget it. Trump will get no significant, measurable black vote.


Trump will get something like 8% of the black female vote and 24% of the black male vote, last forecast I saw.

Which tells me that black women have somehow sidestepped the crazification factor (aka the Alan Keyes factor, appropriately enough), but black men have not.
 
4 days ago  

jso2897: You aren't wrong - but I don't like to offend people, so I use whatever is fashionable and acceptable in the context of whatever discussion I am in.
My experience is that most verbal conventions are passing fads. Anyway - if you don't like the current iteration, just wait for the new one - it won't be long.
I don't swim upstream just to "stiggit to the PC people" - it's not my definition of adult behavior.


But that's my whole point. Most Latinos see "Latinx" as out-of-touch pandering bullshiat. It actually offends them.
 
Juc
4 days ago  
Latinx sounds like a pill for white people to allow them to handle food with flavour.
 
4 days ago  
Latinos have a real problem with racism too. Slavery wasn't abolished in Cuba and Brazil until the late 1880s. When the die hard Confederates fled the US, they went to Brazil and Central America because it fit them.

Spanish historic racism is generally Latino/White > Mestizo/Indian > Mulatto/Black but in the US it doesn't matter because white power conservatives hate on anybody with an accent.
 
4 days ago  
HotWingConspiracy:

Based on that article posted here the other day, he's in a demo least likely to use the term.

Meaning he is like 98% of the latin community that isn't screaming at people online?
 
4 days ago  

Riothamus: jso2897: You aren't wrong - but I don't like to offend people, so I use whatever is fashionable and acceptable in the context of whatever discussion I am in.
My experience is that most verbal conventions are passing fads. Anyway - if you don't like the current iteration, just wait for the new one - it won't be long.
I don't swim upstream just to "stiggit to the PC people" - it's not my definition of adult behavior.

But that's my whole point. Most Latinos see "Latinx" as out-of-touch pandering bullshiat. It actually offends them.


I personally don't care for the term, and only utilize it in discussions where it is already in use.
But a lot of Latinos don't find it offensive, and in fact prefer it. Again - I AM NOT TRYING TO TELL ANYBODY ELSE WHAT TO DO, HERE.
At he same point, I am not soliciting advice from others as to what I should do, nor do I intend to take any.
Do what you like, and shake your finger at somebody who is not me.
 
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