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(Syfy)   How was Deanna Troi apparently the only counselor to a crew of what we assume to be hundreds of officers?   (syfy.com) divider line
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2020-10-15 8:27:16 AM  
Fun fact: The guy who played Wyatt Miller...
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...went on to be T-Bag.
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2020-10-15 8:29:58 AM  
How many chaplains does a typical army division have?
 
2020-10-15 8:36:37 AM  
My high school had 4000 students and 4 councelors. The space people will be fine.
 
2020-10-15 8:49:51 AM  
She was an empath, so she could immediately hone in on any crewmember struggling with an emotional crisis and be there to provide the backdrop for yet another crappy episode centered on her character.
 
2020-10-15 8:49:54 AM  
Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".
 
2020-10-15 9:07:07 AM  

Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".


"He's hiding something". Well who the f*ck isn't. Might as well be a palm reader at the fair.
 
2020-10-15 9:07:59 AM  
They have better meds. Psychological disorders are a thing of the past.
 
2020-10-15 9:08:30 AM  

Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".


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2020-10-15 9:09:31 AM  
is mental health that poor on a starship that that many people are needed to help them out?  they do need someone to cover when she goes on holiday though
 
2020-10-15 9:10:06 AM  
They only had one Barclay to deal with. The rest of the crew was fine.

The question is who counsels the counselor. She was the one that would end up getting mind raped, or secretly impregnated, or whatever.
 
2020-10-15 9:18:47 AM  
Guinan was the better counselor. She was actually helpful.
 
2020-10-15 9:19:18 AM  
I don't think she was. In the episode where she loses her powers due to some kind of alien interference, she mentions to a patient that she thinks she should "arrange for you to talk to someone else", or something to that effect. I don't think it's specifically stated there are other counselors, but it's implied at least.

/lot of TV recently
 
2020-10-15 9:21:14 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: is mental health that poor on a starship that that many people are needed to help them out?  they do need someone to cover when she goes on holiday though


I know.  It's not like they're crammed into a WW2 era U-boat.  The Enterprise has the facilities of a small city.
 
2020-10-15 9:23:07 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Guinan was the better counselor. She was actually helpful.


Only problem with Guinan is that after the series ended she became Whoopi. And that was... problematic?
 
2020-10-15 9:25:56 AM  

Pocket Ninja: She was an empath, so she could immediately hone in on any crewmember struggling with an emotional crisis and be there to provide the backdrop for yet another crappy episode centered on her character.


Except she was about as perceptive as a dead cat 90% of the time until the script needed her to be competent.

Worf: "Captain.  The unidentified vessel is powering up weapons"
Riker: "Shields up!  Brace for impact!"
Troi:  "I'm sensing strong negative emotions, Captain."
 
2020-10-15 9:30:23 AM  

Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".


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2020-10-15 9:30:45 AM  
Maybe she was into group stuff.

Her affair with Riker proved she had no problems with a rusty trombone.
 
2020-10-15 9:31:20 AM  

jayhawk88: I don't think she was. In the episode where she loses her powers due to some kind of alien interference, she mentions to a patient that she thinks she should "arrange for you to talk to someone else", or something to that effect. I don't think it's specifically stated there are other counselors, but it's implied at least.

/lot of TV recently


"What is the nature of your psychological care emergency? I am your emergency holographic counselor."
 
2020-10-15 9:32:48 AM  
Not true subby.  The Enterprise also had this one...

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2020-10-15 9:35:18 AM  
Even in an era of fully automated luxury space communism there's a need for good mental health.

The regular complement of the ship is around 1000 people including the civilians.

The real question is where Troy fits in the chain of command.

As a counselor and mental health professional, one would presume she would answer to the ship's chief medical officer. But apart from a memorable scene of space yoga, Troi and Crusher rarely interacted.

Yet later she's shown to be command qualified?
 
2020-10-15 9:36:12 AM  

Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".


And through the near-vacuum of space, as well. Amazing.
 
2020-10-15 9:36:15 AM  
She wasn't, she was the chief officer for the counseling division. There are several times in the series where she comments on seeing other counselors. They're just the B crew offscreen.

I also loved that when Jellico came onboard she ended up wearing an actual Starfleet uniform. Apparently that was something that Sirtis had fought for and been pushed back by the show writers several times.
 
2020-10-15 9:37:16 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Guinan was the better counselor. She was actually helpful.


Most bartenders with at least 2-3 years of full time experience (in a non frantic pace bar) should probably get university credit of at least a minor in psychology.

Granted, the majority of the time the offer of a sympathetic ear/shoulder to cry on is in hopes of a bigger tip but still...
 
2020-10-15 9:38:42 AM  
How the hell does a betazoid have any insight into human psychology?
 
2020-10-15 9:39:12 AM  
It's an interesting thought: we know the Enterprise had a significant civilian population, so it might be the case where she was the only officer acting as a counselor, but there were other qualified individuals among the civilian crew who would do shifts.

That actually opens up a real interesting set of questions that the show never really explored: the intersection of the civilian and Starfleet population. Keiko was a teacher, so we know that the civilians weren't just passengers- they did work on the ship. Were they only serving the civilians, or did they do anything related to the ship's mission? How were resource conflicts between civilian and Starfleet needs addressed?
 
2020-10-15 9:41:07 AM  

Jake Havechek: How the hell does a betazoid have any insight into human psychology?


Presumably, by taking a psychology degree.

And that she's half-Betazoid, and her dad was human.
 
2020-10-15 9:41:45 AM  
With holodecks why would anyone need a counselor?
 
2020-10-15 9:43:17 AM  
Same way Beverly Crusher was the only doctor.

I.e., She wasn't.
 
2020-10-15 9:45:33 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: is mental health that poor on a starship that that many people are needed to help them out?  they do need someone to cover when she goes on holiday though


It depends, what color uniforms are we taking here?  I am sure when they start picking teams for away missions, anxiety levels rise.
 
2020-10-15 9:45:57 AM  

grokca: Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".

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Woe. Nice headlights.
 
2020-10-15 9:46:30 AM  

Jake Havechek: How the hell does a betazoid have any insight into human psychology?


Gotta be better than a Freakazoid.

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2020-10-15 9:47:21 AM  
Gangbang in the 25th century? It was more likely than you think...
 
2020-10-15 9:47:23 AM  

Snapper Carr: Pocket Ninja: She was an empath, so she could immediately hone in on any crewmember struggling with an emotional crisis and be there to provide the backdrop for yet another crappy episode centered on her character.

Except she was about as perceptive as a dead cat 90% of the time until the script needed her to be competent.

Worf: "Captain.  The unidentified vessel is powering up weapons"
Riker: "Shields up!  Brace for impact!"
Troi:  "I'm sensing strong negative emotions, Captain."


Forrest Whitaker from Species could have filled in for Troi during her vacations.
 
2020-10-15 9:47:27 AM  

WTFDYW: Woe. Nice headlights.


Why do they make you sad?
 
2020-10-15 9:48:28 AM  

Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".


And she wasn't exactly a great starship pilot either.  Contrast with Dr. Crusher who when in command of the Enterprise managed to beat Lore's renegade Borg with the ship's JV team.
 
2020-10-15 9:48:52 AM  

PirateKing: Even in an era of fully automated luxury space communism there's a need for good mental health.

The regular complement of the ship is around 1000 people including the civilians.

The real question is where Troy fits in the chain of command.

As a counselor and mental health professional, one would presume she would answer to the ship's chief medical officer. But apart from a memorable scene of space yoga, Troi and Crusher rarely interacted.

Yet later she's shown to be command qualified?


She was on my command qualified whenever they needed someone to blame for detaching the saucer and crashing the ship.
 
2020-10-15 9:50:30 AM  

Jake Havechek: How the hell does a betazoid have any insight into human psychology?


Her mother was quite the whore in her youth, possible quite a few of Deanna's temporary new daddies were humans.
 
2020-10-15 9:52:52 AM  

Polish Hussar: Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".

And she wasn't exactly a great starship pilot either.  Contrast with Dr. Crusher who when in command of the Enterprise managed to beat Lore's renegade Borg with the ship's JV team.


The Federation is very big on cross training, Troi must have skipped skipped those courses.
 
2020-10-15 9:53:08 AM  

Polish Hussar: Jake Havechek: Her character was useless.  The Enterprise would be threatened with destruction by an alien on the viewscreen and Troi would say, "Captain, I sense much hostility in him".

And she wasn't exactly a great starship pilot either.  Contrast with Dr. Crusher who when in command of the Enterprise managed to beat Lore's renegade Borg with the ship's JV team.


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2020-10-15 9:57:07 AM  
CSB:

I got her autograph after the show premiered in '87 or '88 at a Star Trek con in Philly, I was 15 or 16.

She came to the Steel City Con in Pittsburgh maybe 10-15 years ago so I thought it would be neat to have her autograph the same picture.  My plan was to see her every visit and fill the picture.

Well, she was genuinely upset I was using the same photo, sort of scolded me for not getting a new one, and then when I told her I was a fan since it premiered and I met her 20 years prior, you see, she said (again, no humor or irony)  "Thanks for making me feel old!"

I took the picture and said "See you in 20 years!"

She was due to come back this past spring but it got cancelled due to the pandemic

I don't have the actual picture handy, but this is the pic I have that she's not a fan of:

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2020-10-15 9:57:58 AM  

t3knomanser: It's an interesting thought: we know the Enterprise had a significant civilian population, so it might be the case where she was the only officer acting as a counselor, but there were other qualified individuals among the civilian crew who would do shifts.

That actually opens up a real interesting set of questions that the show never really explored: the intersection of the civilian and Starfleet population. Keiko was a teacher, so we know that the civilians weren't just passengers- they did work on the ship. Were they only serving the civilians, or did they do anything related to the ship's mission? How were resource conflicts between civilian and Starfleet needs addressed?


IIRC, Keiko was a botanist in her time aboard the Enterprise, and she went on at least one away mission with Starfleet personnel (the one where they get turned into kids.) So there was some interaction there. I imagine any civilian scientists would probably interact with the relevant Starfleet department on the ship, and then the head of that department would put in a request for resources to Riker as we saw with the Stellar Cartography department head who dated Picard.
 
2020-10-15 10:00:24 AM  

PirateKing: Even in an era of fully automated luxury space communism there's a need for good mental health.

The regular complement of the ship is around 1000 people including the civilians.

The real question is where Troy fits in the chain of command.

As a counselor and mental health professional, one would presume she would answer to the ship's chief medical officer. But apart from a memorable scene of space yoga, Troi and Crusher rarely interacted.

Yet later she's shown to be command qualified?



It's possible that she would report directly to the captain.  

She takes the Bridge Officers Test in "Thine Own Self." and is promoted to the rank of Commander by Piccard.  
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/T​hine_Own_Self_(episode)

/I generally avoid the Troi episodes, just my personal preference.
 
2020-10-15 10:00:40 AM  

buntz: CSB:

I got her autograph after the show premiered in '87 or '88 at a Star Trek con in Philly, I was 15 or 16.

She came to the Steel City Con in Pittsburgh maybe 10-15 years ago so I thought it would be neat to have her autograph the same picture.  My plan was to see her every visit and fill the picture.

Well, she was genuinely upset I was using the same photo, sort of scolded me for not getting a new one, and then when I told her I was a fan since it premiered and I met her 20 years prior, you see, she said (again, no humor or irony)  "Thanks for making me feel old!"

I took the picture and said "See you in 20 years!"

She was due to come back this past spring but it got cancelled due to the pandemic

I don't have the actual picture handy, but this is the pic I have that she's not a fan of:

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Is it because you didn't buy one of the ones there, that they get money from?

/ those paid-interaction things weird me out.
 
2020-10-15 10:04:36 AM  
Several hundred officers?  With a crew of 1000 or so?  This is not the Air Force, subby
 
2020-10-15 10:05:04 AM  

fallingcow: Is it because you didn't buy one of the ones there, that they get money from?


No, the autograph photos are free now.  I DID buy the original one.
And I paid the entrance fee to the Con.
And I paid the autograph fee.
And I paid the photograph fee.
 
2020-10-15 10:05:06 AM  

t3knomanser: It's an interesting thought: we know the Enterprise had a significant civilian population, so it might be the case where she was the only officer acting as a counselor, but there were other qualified individuals among the civilian crew who would do shifts.

That actually opens up a real interesting set of questions that the show never really explored: the intersection of the civilian and Starfleet population. Keiko was a teacher, so we know that the civilians weren't just passengers- they did work on the ship. Were they only serving the civilians, or did they do anything related to the ship's mission? How were resource conflicts between civilian and Starfleet needs addressed?


Too many people assume that if it didn't happen on camera, then it didn't happen at all. Just like it's unlikely that Dr Crusher was the only doctor on board. But she was the only one that got screen time because they didn't want to have a cast numbered in the dozens.
 
2020-10-15 10:13:55 AM  
This thread.

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2020-10-15 10:15:10 AM  

t3knomanser: It's an interesting thought: we know the Enterprise had a significant civilian population, so it might be the case where she was the only officer acting as a counselor, but there were other qualified individuals among the civilian crew who would do shifts.

That actually opens up a real interesting set of questions that the show never really explored: the intersection of the civilian and Starfleet population. Keiko was a teacher, so we know that the civilians weren't just passengers- they did work on the ship. Were they only serving the civilians, or did they do anything related to the ship's mission? How were resource conflicts between civilian and Starfleet needs addressed?


Somebody's got to load the condiment replicator.
 
2020-10-15 10:15:23 AM  

t3knomanser: That actually opens up a real interesting set of questions that the show never really explored: the intersection of the civilian and Starfleet population. Keiko was a teacher, so we know that the civilians weren't just passengers- they did work on the ship. Were they only serving the civilians, or did they do anything related to the ship's mission? How were resource conflicts between civilian and Starfleet needs addressed?


I did an internship at the old Walter Reed (the HUGE campus between Georgia Ave and 16th St in DC, not the newfangled repurposed Bethesda Naval Hospital one) - there were tons of other civilians working there. Support staff, contractors/researchers, and (I think?) even some core (in this case, medical) staff can be nonmilitary. Same is true of military bases.

Even though the Enterprise is a government ship, there are always civvies working in government offices, so it would stand to reason that there would be a similar arrangement with a science vessel like Enterprise also is.

// isn't CERN also a public/private partnership?
 
2020-10-15 10:18:37 AM  

Demetrius: They have better meds. Psychological disorders are a thing of the past.


Tell Lore that.
 
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