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(Metro)   Woman told to self-isolate after positive Covid-19 test caught by test-and-trace system hailing a cab to hit up a bar, gets fined $1,300   (metro.co.uk) divider line
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2020-10-09 9:57:38 AM  
You mean she wasn't deemed contagion-free by her doctor in under a week?
 
2020-10-09 10:06:24 AM  
How can you have any pudding if you dont drink your bleach?
 
2020-10-09 10:06:27 AM  
But what about her freedom to inflict harm on others?!
 
2020-10-09 10:06:44 AM  
That's it?
 
2020-10-09 10:07:24 AM  
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2020-10-09 10:09:08 AM  
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2020-10-09 10:13:07 AM  
I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.
 
2020-10-09 10:13:08 AM  
An extra $1300 to go to a bar? Let me just check my couch cushions.
 
2020-10-09 10:16:52 AM  

Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.


I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once COVID-19 is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.
 
2020-10-09 10:19:20 AM  

dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once [insert targeted group here] is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.


just making the statement more general for future use.

if we could track and trace those people, then those other people would be all for it.
 
2020-10-09 10:20:52 AM  
Why would a non-Covidiot ever think going to a bar is a good idea at this point?  You are going to run into people like her.  Drunk people don't make good decisions... and you are going to be indoors with a whole bunch of maskless drunks in the middle of a deadly pandemic.
 
2020-10-09 10:22:54 AM  
So, lesson learned:  Don't allow the government to install an app on your phone, and if they don't use an app, leave the phone at home when you want to go out.


Yeah, I'm being an asshole here about this.  Quite honestly, I've taken the reasonable precautions like always wearing a mask when near people indoors and frequently washing my hands and that sort of thing.   And if I were told I was positive, I'd absolutely self-isolate, and I'd stick to it.

But I'm *FAR* more concerned about the kind of surveillance state that this implies.   Diseases come and diseases go, but there is no treatment or vaccine for a panopticon totalitarian society once it's infected society.
 
2020-10-09 10:26:18 AM  

Hyjamon: dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once [insert targeted group here] is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

just making the statement more general for future use.

if we could track and trace those people, then those other people would be all for it.


I think you need to emphasize the "those people" more.

"If we could track and trace those people, then those other people would be all for it".

That makes it more horrific sounding.
 
2020-10-09 10:29:18 AM  

dittybopper: So, lesson learned:  Don't allow the government to install an app on your phone, and if they don't use an app, leave the phone at home when you want to go out.


Yeah, I'm being an asshole here about this.  Quite honestly, I've taken the reasonable precautions like always wearing a mask when near people indoors and frequently washing my hands and that sort of thing.   And if I were told I was positive, I'd absolutely self-isolate, and I'd stick to it.

But I'm *FAR* more concerned about the kind of surveillance state that this implies.   Diseases come and diseases go, but there is no treatment or vaccine for a panopticon totalitarian society once it's infected society.


I hope this does not cause you any undue stress but that dang ol' government can already get up in your phone whenever they want.
 
2020-10-09 10:31:57 AM  
Jeez... Did she know that she should wait until after the US election? Everyone knows that the virus will go away after that's over with...
 
2020-10-09 10:35:25 AM  

Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.


England's been in 1984 territory for a while, what with ubiquitous CCTV and ASBOs.
 
2020-10-09 10:35:46 AM  

Hyjamon: dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once [insert targeted group here] is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

just making the statement more general for future use.

if we could track and trace those people, then those other people would be all for it.


It wouldn't be necessary if there wasn't a massive segment of the population who are relentlessly self-involved, unutterably ignorant, science-denying, "mah rahts" assholes who endanger everybody through their selfish bullshiat.
 
2020-10-09 10:36:00 AM  

MeSoHomely: Jeez... Did she know that she should wait until after the US election? Everyone knows that the virus will go away after that's over with...


I thought it went away when it got hot...?
 
2020-10-09 10:40:22 AM  

dothemath: MeSoHomely: Jeez... Did she know that she should wait until after the US election? Everyone knows that the virus will go away after that's over with...

I thought it went away when it got hot...?


Well, uh, yeah, well, uh... Look at this booming economy! <<Subliminally broadcast: Embrace the orange!>>
 
2020-10-09 10:41:13 AM  
A woman from the North West has been fined £1,000 for going to the pub

The local constabulary described the incident as rubbish and declared the rogue knackered.
 
2020-10-09 10:41:53 AM  

The Envoy: Hyjamon: dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once [insert targeted group here] is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

just making the statement more general for future use.

if we could track and trace those people, then those other people would be all for it.

It wouldn't be necessary if there wasn't a massive segment of the population who are relentlessly self-involved, unutterably ignorant, science-denying, "mah rahts" assholes who endanger everybody through their selfish bullshiat.


It's scapegoating. The stories you hear are all people going to pubs and big parties. Most of the spread is going to be normal people doing normal stuff.
 
2020-10-09 10:41:58 AM  
FTFA "
The offender, from the town of Barrow, Cumbria, was told to stay at home by a local Test and Trace official as she would have been in close contact with someone who has coronavirus."

She didn't test positive but was in contact with someone who did. Still a douche move on her part.
 
2020-10-09 10:42:07 AM  

dittybopper: So, lesson learned:  Don't allow the government to install an app on your phone, and if they don't use an app, leave the phone at home when you want to go out.


Yeah, I'm being an asshole here about this.  Quite honestly, I've taken the reasonable precautions like always wearing a mask when near people indoors and frequently washing my hands and that sort of thing.   And if I were told I was positive, I'd absolutely self-isolate, and I'd stick to it.

But I'm *FAR* more concerned about the kind of surveillance state that this implies.   Diseases come and diseases go, but there is no treatment or vaccine for a panopticon totalitarian society once it's infected society.


Since we can't trust people to self isolate, even with tracking programs, then what do you suggest.  Let them plague rats to the max, or put them in cages like refugees?
 
2020-10-09 10:42:16 AM  
this is why you fail.
 
2020-10-09 10:42:20 AM  

hugram: Why would a non-Covidiot ever think going to a bar is a good idea at this point?  You are going to run into people like her.  Drunk people don't make good decisions... and you are going to be indoors with a whole bunch of maskless drunks in the middle of a deadly pandemic.



Gonna happen no matter what.

If you've got 99.9% compliance, that means you're going to have 0.1% non-compliance.   Sounds great, right?

Well, Cumbria has a population of 500,012, and has had 3,880 positive cases as of yesterday.
https://www.cumbria.gov.uk/elibrary/C​o​ntent/Internet/535/17941/17942/17945/4​411213137.pdf?timestamp=44113152941

So a 0.1% non-compliance rate among those testing positive would mean something like approximately four people would do something like this.   (3880 * 0.001 = 3.88)

Hearing a story about this happening shouldn't be unexpected.   It should, in fact, be *EXPECTED*, even at compliance rates that are very unrealistic.   In fact, it might even be that 99% compliance is too much to expect.  And remember that the news doesn't report on things that are "normal", they report on things that are *NOT* normal.  It's the whole "dog bites man" isn't a story, but "man bites dog" is, combined with a bias towards bad news ("if it bleeds, it leads").

So why you're shocked that someone might do that is beyond me.  I would expect to hear about things like this, and it doesn't shock me in the least that someone did that.

The overwhelming majority of people follow the rules, generally.   But there are always people who don't.   If they did, there wouldn't be any murder, rape, and all the other unpleasantness you see today.
 
2020-10-09 10:43:29 AM  

dothemath: dittybopper: So, lesson learned:  Don't allow the government to install an app on your phone, and if they don't use an app, leave the phone at home when you want to go out.


Yeah, I'm being an asshole here about this.  Quite honestly, I've taken the reasonable precautions like always wearing a mask when near people indoors and frequently washing my hands and that sort of thing.   And if I were told I was positive, I'd absolutely self-isolate, and I'd stick to it.

But I'm *FAR* more concerned about the kind of surveillance state that this implies.   Diseases come and diseases go, but there is no treatment or vaccine for a panopticon totalitarian society once it's infected society.

I hope this does not cause you any undue stress but that dang ol' government can already get up in your phone whenever they want.


No they can't.

I don't own a cellphone, smart or otherwise, for that precise reason.
 
2020-10-09 10:49:56 AM  

TheGogmagog: dittybopper: So, lesson learned:  Don't allow the government to install an app on your phone, and if they don't use an app, leave the phone at home when you want to go out.


Yeah, I'm being an asshole here about this.  Quite honestly, I've taken the reasonable precautions like always wearing a mask when near people indoors and frequently washing my hands and that sort of thing.   And if I were told I was positive, I'd absolutely self-isolate, and I'd stick to it.

But I'm *FAR* more concerned about the kind of surveillance state that this implies.   Diseases come and diseases go, but there is no treatment or vaccine for a panopticon totalitarian society once it's infected society.

Since we can't trust people to self isolate, even with tracking programs, then what do you suggest.  Let them plague rats to the max, or put them in cages like refugees?


Well, why don't we do what totalitarian governments traditionally do with people who don't comply?   Arrest them, hold a trial in a kangaroo court, then shoot them in the back of the head with a Tokarev or a Makarov.

Again, sarcasm.

I think fining them is fine.  Pour encourager les autres.

I think it's important for you to understand that I'm not objecting to government taking action against people found to have violated the rules.

I'm objecting to how they (presumably) found out she wasn't following the rules, along with the probably valid assumption the government won't willingly relinquish that kind of power when this particular crisis subsides.
 
2020-10-09 10:51:14 AM  

dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once COVID-19 is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.


Because it not like we haven't been doing this same thing to fight Tuberculosis for 70 years and turned it from one of the worse diseases in the world that killed millions annually to nearly wiping it out. These techniques are clearly new and unprecedented in attacking our rights.
 
2020-10-09 10:51:59 AM  

dittybopper: No they can't.

I don't own a cellphone, smart or otherwise, for that precise reason.


They can still get up in your tooth fillings.
Thats how they got Sammy Davis Jr to kill Castro.
 
2020-10-09 10:53:15 AM  

dittybopper: dothemath: dittybopper: So, lesson learned:  Don't allow the government to install an app on your phone, and if they don't use an app, leave the phone at home when you want to go out.


Yeah, I'm being an asshole here about this.  Quite honestly, I've taken the reasonable precautions like always wearing a mask when near people indoors and frequently washing my hands and that sort of thing.   And if I were told I was positive, I'd absolutely self-isolate, and I'd stick to it.

But I'm *FAR* more concerned about the kind of surveillance state that this implies.   Diseases come and diseases go, but there is no treatment or vaccine for a panopticon totalitarian society once it's infected society.

I hope this does not cause you any undue stress but that dang ol' government can already get up in your phone whenever they want.

No they can't.

I don't own a cellphone, smart or otherwise, for that precise reason.


And here all this time I thought you were a well adjusted completely normal person.
 
2020-10-09 10:53:59 AM  

The Envoy: Hyjamon: dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once [insert targeted group here] is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

just making the statement more general for future use.

if we could track and trace those people, then those other people would be all for it.

It wouldn't be necessary if there wasn't a massive segment of the population who are relentlessly self-involved, unutterably ignorant, science-denying, "mah rahts" assholes who endanger everybody through their selfish bullshiat.


Basically we are left with 2 choices:
1. Die because of some plague rat
2. Suffer at the hands of Government abuse of a system put in place to protect us from said plague rats
 
2020-10-09 10:54:54 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: That's it?


Much like american style citizen covid stimulus, yeah.
 
2020-10-09 10:58:02 AM  

hugram: Why would a non-Covidiot ever think going to a bar is a good idea at this point?  You are going to run into people like her.  Drunk people don't make good decisions... and you are going to be indoors with a whole bunch of maskless drunks in the middle of a deadly pandemic.


From my world almost all of the people I see going to bars now are bar rats.  Ya know, alkies that don't like to drink alone.

/shrug
 
2020-10-09 11:02:12 AM  
There needs to be other forms of punishment for her here as well.
 
2020-10-09 11:02:33 AM  
Lock her in a small room with other COVidiots.
 
2020-10-09 11:05:26 AM  

Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.


This.

Let's examine this a second, shall we?

Tracer:  "You need to stay at home for two weeks because you may have been in contact with someone with covid-19"

Person:  "Who?"

Tracer:  "I can't tell you"

Person:  "I don't feel sick"

Tracer:  "Stay at home for two weeks"

Person:  "Can I get a test?"

Tracer:  either a) "No, because you need to stay at home" or b) "No because you aren't symptomatic"

Petty UK government bureaucrats have earned the distrust of the populace over a "shut up and comply" attitude.
 
2020-10-09 11:06:43 AM  

dittybopper: So, lesson learned:  Don't allow the government to install an app on your phone, and if they don't use an app, leave the phone at home when you want to go out.


Yeah, I'm being an asshole here about this.  Quite honestly, I've taken the reasonable precautions like always wearing a mask when near people indoors and frequently washing my hands and that sort of thing.   And if I were told I was positive, I'd absolutely self-isolate, and I'd stick to it.

But I'm *FAR* more concerned about the kind of surveillance state that this implies.   Diseases come and diseases go, but there is no treatment or vaccine for a panopticon totalitarian society once it's infected society.


Panopticons were the best Transformers.

/you're also right.
 
2020-10-09 11:09:41 AM  
Two guys in my city were advised to get tested because a close contact had tested positive. They went bar-hopping while waiting for their results and later tested positive. Shut down at least 5 bars and restaurants because of it. For some reason bylaw, which earlier in the pandemic was infamous for a fining teenager for shooting baskets alone, nabbing a dog-walker for stopping in a park to take a phone call, and punching a guy in the face in front of his kid, declined to fine them.

Why yes, they're white. Why do you ask?
 
2020-10-09 11:09:44 AM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: The Envoy: Hyjamon: dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once [insert targeted group here] is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

just making the statement more general for future use.

if we could track and trace those people, then those other people would be all for it.

It wouldn't be necessary if there wasn't a massive segment of the population who are relentlessly self-involved, unutterably ignorant, science-denying, "mah rahts" assholes who endanger everybody through their selfish bullshiat.

It's scapegoating. The stories you hear are all people going to pubs and big parties. Most of the spread is going to be normal people doing normal stuff.


From the state's contact tracing in New Mexico, it is primarily from family gatherings (in and out of state), illegal mass gatherings, restaurants and bars that have inside dining, and churches.  Not from people doing normal things.
 
2020-10-09 11:10:33 AM  

limeyfellow: dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once COVID-19 is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

Because it not like we haven't been doing this same thing to fight Tuberculosis for 70 years and turned it from one of the worse diseases in the world that killed millions annually to nearly wiping it out. These techniques are clearly new and unprecedented in attacking our rights.


You don't tell people to stay at home without a positive TB test for starters.

Show me where in TFA that the woman had a positive test result. She didn't.
 
2020-10-09 11:11:58 AM  

Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.


You're so reactionary that you're a danger to others in a crisis.

In America, stupid reactionaries and their demagogue President are the reason we don't have this under control.
It's so bad that trash who think that public health measures are tyranny tried to kidnap a governor.

Countries without a huge antisocial, disease-spreading, cult undermining public health are doing so much better.
 
2020-10-09 11:12:54 AM  
Americans, over time:
1776: "Let's sacrifice our lives, wealth, and scared honor to win our freedom!"

1865: " Not a man shall be a slave!"

1945: "Make the world safe for democracy!"

1965: "Oh, Freedom - Power to the People!"

2020: "Waaaaaah! I don' WANNA wear a mask and watch Netflix in my luxury apartment for a few months!!"


And you wonder why the rest of the world is getting ready to loot or corpse?
Don't wonder. It happened to Germany, and it can happen to us.
 
2020-10-09 11:13:09 AM  
Screw fines, when a person does this they should be arrested for public endangerment and held at least until they test negative for the virus 3 times then they can be allowed to file for bail.

Why because a person that is willing to do this once is likely to do it again.
 
2020-10-09 11:16:03 AM  
She had to get her hair did...
 
2020-10-09 11:17:54 AM  

grimlock1972: Screw fines, when a person does this they should be arrested for public endangerment and held at least until they test negative for the virus 3 times then they can be allowed to file for bail.

Why because a person that is willing to do this once is likely to do it again.


Sociopaths who catch Covid need to be in locked wards, because doing the right thing never occurs to them.
 
2020-10-09 11:22:28 AM  

limeyfellow: dittybopper: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

I'm *SURE* that it will completely disappear once COVID-19 is completely eradicated.

That's sarcasm, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

Because it not like we haven't been doing this same thing to fight Tuberculosis for 70 years and turned it from one of the worse diseases in the world that killed millions annually to nearly wiping it out. These techniques are clearly new and unprecedented in attacking our rights.


Oh, I was unaware that the automated tracing of individuals movements and who the came into contact with via their cellphones was involved in fighting Tuberculosis.

I guess it is true that you learn something wrong everyday.
 
2020-10-09 11:23:24 AM  

jso2897: Americans, over time:
1776: "Let's sacrifice our lives, wealth, and scared honor to win our freedom!"

1865: " Not a man shall be a slave!"

1945: "Make the world safe for democracy!"

1965: "Oh, Freedom - Power to the People!"

2020: "Waaaaaah! I don' WANNA wear a mask and watch Netflix in my luxury apartment for a few months!!"


And you wonder why the rest of the world is getting ready to loot or corpse?
Don't wonder. It happened to Germany, and it can happen to us.


You are aware that this happened in Once Great Britain, right?
 
2020-10-09 11:24:25 AM  

Malenfant: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

You're so reactionary that you're a danger to others in a crisis.

In America, stupid reactionaries and their demagogue President are the reason we don't have this under control.
It's so bad that trash who think that public health measures are tyranny tried to kidnap a governor.

Countries without a huge antisocial, disease-spreading, cult undermining public health are doing so much better.


User name checks out.
 
2020-10-09 11:26:24 AM  

FrancoFile: Winkler099: I'm not exactly forspreading the coronavirus or anything, but I don't like the idea of "Track and Trace" and the overall tone of the article.  It's pretty 1984-ish.

England's been in 1984 territory for a while, what with ubiquitous CCTV and ASBOs.


There are no ASBOs. Anyone who told you that is lying!
They've been changed to CBOs. Completely different.
 
2020-10-09 11:29:24 AM  
Lol 1300$. Jail her ass for a month at least.
 
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