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(The New York Times)   This 10,000 sqft French castle can be yours for only 3.3 million. Methinks thee newspaper hath misprinteth thee price   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-10-07 12:24:34 PM  
Sounds high. I was one of the original buyers for Château de Rastignac  that had  220 acres and useable farmhouse for less $250k. It was a fun rehab and even found a few caves on property with items left during WWII
 
2020-10-07 12:36:10 PM  

eurotrader: Sounds high. I was one of the original buyers for Château de Rastignac  that had  220 acres and useable farmhouse for less $250k. It was a fun rehab and even found a few caves on property with items left during WWII


Was there an oval office there?
 
2020-10-07 12:42:16 PM  

sithon: eurotrader: Sounds high. I was one of the original buyers for Château de Rastignac  that had  220 acres and useable farmhouse for less $250k. It was a fun rehab and even found a few caves on property with items left during WWII

Was there an oval office there?


Yes. It was just really close to the original WH building. No west or east wing but did still had a carriage House for horses.
 
2020-10-07 12:53:10 PM  
*thy
 
2020-10-07 12:59:08 PM  
Friends of ours bought a château in the Haute Savoie for only a couple of hundred grand. I mean, they spent double that fixing it up, but now they live in a 15th century French castle they paid $450k for.
 
2020-10-07 1:06:15 PM  

FlashHarry: Friends of ours bought a château in the Haute Savoie for only a couple of hundred grand. I mean, they spent double that fixing it up, but now they live in a 15th century French castle they paid $450k for.


Bought a house in St. Raphael after and made a vow never to deal with any building called a monument historique ever again.
 
2020-10-07 1:15:21 PM  
Castles cost a lot of money for upkeep and renovation (if they're old and need renovations). So some of them go for a "small" amount of money because whoever pays for them is going to spend several times that to make them livable.
 
2020-10-07 1:17:29 PM  
At the very end it says the property taxes are ~$4000.... which is about 6 months of my property taxes on what is DEFINITELY not a castle.
 
2020-10-07 1:18:39 PM  
Living in a castle sounds nice until it's winter and you realize "central heating" is hiring someone to go around and tend fireplaces all day.
 
2020-10-07 1:19:30 PM  
There are a LOT of castles in France, and nobody wants to buy them because the upkeep costs are infamously ruinous.
 
2020-10-07 1:20:57 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Castles cost a lot of money for upkeep and renovation (if they're old and need renovations). So some of them go for a "small" amount of money because whoever pays for them is going to spend several times that to make them livable.


TFA says "the property obtained full protection as a historic monument in France."  A property like this is essentially an expensive vanity project.  You aren't buying the property so much as volunteering to be the conservator of it.
 
2020-10-07 1:25:31 PM  
You can also buy a Rolls Royce for under $20k.

If you care what the price of entry is, you can't afford the price of upkeep.
 
2020-10-07 1:26:10 PM  
perimeter walls date to the 11th century, with period features including openings (called machicolations)

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2020-10-07 1:28:07 PM  

Fizpez: At the very end it says the property taxes are ~$4000.... which is about 6 months of my property taxes on what is DEFINITELY not a castle.


It varies from region to region and town to town, but property taxes in France are generally quite low compared to the US.  My home's market value is probably somewhere around €475k, but the combined property (paid by the owner) and council (paid by the resident) taxes are about €700/year.  The council taxes are supposed to be phased out over the next three or so years as well.  The gov't simply gets its money elsewhere, I suppose.
 
2020-10-07 1:33:50 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Castles cost a lot of money for upkeep and renovation (if they're old and need renovations). So some of them go for a "small" amount of money because whoever pays for them is going to spend several times that to make them livable.


TFA: "In 2010, the property obtained full protection as a historic monument in France. "

If it's anything like the Grade 1 Listed Building status in the UK the rules for maintenance and alterations are strict and closely monitored. And as you say, costly.
 
2020-10-07 1:34:43 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Living in a castle sounds nice until it's winter and you realize "central heating" is hiring someone to go around and tend fireplaces all day.


People misunderstand "room temperature" when it comes to serving red wine, and think of American short-sleeved 72F.

Room temperature really means what you have in a castle or manor house, in the winter, with no central heating.  There's a reason they invented tweed and brocade back then.
 
2020-10-07 1:38:23 PM  
That place would need about 25 Roombas, as many cats, 75 litterboxes, and definitely new roofs.

No, thank you.
 
2020-10-07 1:46:27 PM  

FrancoFile: The Irresponsible Captain: Living in a castle sounds nice until it's winter and you realize "central heating" is hiring someone to go around and tend fireplaces all day.

People misunderstand "room temperature" when it comes to serving red wine, and think of American short-sleeved 72F.

Room temperature really means what you have in a castle or manor house, in the winter, with no central heating.  There's a reason they invented tweed and brocade back then.


People serve reds too hot and whites too cold.
 
2020-10-07 1:53:37 PM  
The price of castles like this belies their remoteness and high upkeep cost, and while some modernization has taken place, it is only partially covered by central heating and such.

Places like this tend to be bought by people to upkeep them for historical sake rather than to actually live there.
 
2020-10-07 1:55:16 PM  

FlashHarry: Friends of ours bought a château in the Haute Savoie for only a couple of hundred grand. I mean, they spent double that fixing it up, but now they live in a 15th century French castle they paid $450k for.


And it's stunning how little that can buy you in some parts of the SS....
 
2020-10-07 1:56:06 PM  
// US not SS
///Sorry for third post
 
2020-10-07 1:58:25 PM  

gar1013: FrancoFile: The Irresponsible Captain: Living in a castle sounds nice until it's winter and you realize "central heating" is hiring someone to go around and tend fireplaces all day.

People misunderstand "room temperature" when it comes to serving red wine, and think of American short-sleeved 72F.

Room temperature really means what you have in a castle or manor house, in the winter, with no central heating.  There's a reason they invented tweed and brocade back then.

People serve reds too hot and whites too cold.


John Oliver said something similar
 
2020-10-07 1:58:26 PM  

NewWorldDan: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Castles cost a lot of money for upkeep and renovation (if they're old and need renovations). So some of them go for a "small" amount of money because whoever pays for them is going to spend several times that to make them livable.

TFA says "the property obtained full protection as a historic monument in France."  A property like this is essentially an expensive vanity project.  You aren't buying the property so much as volunteering to be the conservator of it.


This.
Your stuck with the very gaudy decoration scheme because it's historic.
No thanks!
 
2020-10-07 2:03:04 PM  

Robo Beat: The gov't simply gets its money elsewhere, I suppose.


Absolutely. The USA has low income taxes because then the ultra-rich are "disproportionately" supporting the country. They, and by extension the government, feel everyone should pay closer to an equal share regardless of what they can afford. So like I have no state income tax in WA, but a $10,500 annual property tax bill.

I looked into a job in Germany and I believe the tax rate was closer to 45% versus the 28% I pay now, before all the deductions and craziness of our tax laws (my effective rate is 20%). Also VAT varies but is typically around 21%? Here states vary in sales tax, some 0% up to 10%.
 
2020-10-07 2:03:21 PM  
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2020-10-07 2:10:13 PM  

FrancoFile: The Irresponsible Captain: Living in a castle sounds nice until it's winter and you realize "central heating" is hiring someone to go around and tend fireplaces all day.

People misunderstand "room temperature" when it comes to serving red wine, and think of American short-sleeved 72F.

Room temperature really means what you have in a castle or manor house, in the winter, with no central heating.  There's a reason they invented tweed and brocade back then.


Username checks out.
 
2020-10-07 2:20:10 PM  

jamspoon: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Castles cost a lot of money for upkeep and renovation (if they're old and need renovations). So some of them go for a "small" amount of money because whoever pays for them is going to spend several times that to make them livable.

TFA: "In 2010, the property obtained full protection as a historic monument in France. "

If it's anything like the Grade 1 Listed Building status in the UK the rules for maintenance and alterations are strict and closely monitored. And as you say, costly.


I got to meet the Deputy Minister of Arts and Culture for France when he came to the property after someone reported I had gotten materials from a friend that retired from the French Foreign legion to open a cave to look around. After it was explained anything good found would belong to the State and my legal residency would be in doubt if any explosives were used on property without proper permits it end the hunt.The property was used as a Gestapo headquarters during the war and a lot of very important paintings are still missing. The cave still has not been opened as far as I know and last visit a little over 12 years agoappears to have caved in more since my original view.
Anyone that wants to try I strongly suggest you contact and hire a former official from the area to help with permits and assorted other issues. A good local "fixer" can be worth more than the money spent. Bon Chance on anything in Paris and be really rich and prepared to be much less so after done.
 
2020-10-07 3:00:53 PM  

FlashHarry: Friends of ours bought a château in the Haute Savoie for only a couple of hundred grand. I mean, they spent double that fixing it up, but now they live in a 15th century French castle they paid $450k for.


And, if our friends are anything to go by, are only paying about $45k per year in maintenance.

Having sold a modest flat in SE England I can comfortably afford to buya Scottish castle (wouldn't want a French one, too many French), I can't afford to own one.
 
2020-10-07 3:11:54 PM  

Massively Multiplayer Addict: The price of castles like this belies their remoteness and high upkeep cost, and while some modernization has taken place, it is only partially covered by central heating and such.

Places like this tend to be bought by people to upkeep them for historical sake rather than to actually live there.


While I make fun of LARPers, it would be fun to own this and do some historically informed LARPing....

You know, have peasants do all the work, and the occasional "droit du seigneur" (consenting of course)
 
2020-10-07 3:12:41 PM  

jamspoon: gar1013: FrancoFile: The Irresponsible Captain: Living in a castle sounds nice until it's winter and you realize "central heating" is hiring someone to go around and tend fireplaces all day.

People misunderstand "room temperature" when it comes to serving red wine, and think of American short-sleeved 72F.

Room temperature really means what you have in a castle or manor house, in the winter, with no central heating.  There's a reason they invented tweed and brocade back then.

People serve reds too hot and whites too cold.

John Oliver said something similar


He probably also said the English can make a decent meal.

Don't trust everything he says.
 
2020-10-07 3:15:35 PM  
Where they really get you is when they upcharge you to add things like a trapdoor over a piranha pit or a lazy that can split a British Secret Agent in half.
 
2020-10-07 3:16:32 PM  

Massively Multiplayer Addict: // US not SS
///Sorry for third post


Just give it a couple of months.  We're moving closer to the SS with each passing day.
 
2020-10-07 3:22:15 PM  
Sounds like it does not have central heating in all parts, and does it have plumbing? Might need some work.
 
2020-10-07 3:50:51 PM  

FrancoFile: The Irresponsible Captain: Living in a castle sounds nice until it's winter and you realize "central heating" is hiring someone to go around and tend fireplaces all day.

People misunderstand "room temperature" when it comes to serving red wine, and think of American short-sleeved 72F.

Room temperature really means what you have in a castle or manor house, in the winter, with no central heating.  There's a reason they invented tweed and brocade back then.


One of the details that struck me in the "Lincoln" movie, was everyone wearing plaid in the white House in the winter.
 
2020-10-07 3:59:26 PM  

Breaker Moran: That place would need about 25 Roombas, as many cats, 75 litterboxes, and definitely new roofs.

No, thank you.


Yes, but you could decorate the Roombas with your coat of arms, and have a little robot cavalry squad, all in your house livery...
 
2020-10-07 4:47:17 PM  
I don't have the money.
 
2020-10-07 4:55:38 PM  

FarkinNortherner: And, if our friends are anything to go by, are only paying about $45k per year in maintenance.


Well, there is that. It's still farking cool though. And considering the cost of housing in nearby Geneva, a bargain.
 
2020-10-07 5:38:09 PM  
i want a castle
 
2020-10-07 6:32:25 PM  

some_beer_drinker: i want a castle


thinking the same thing, at the very least we should rent it out for a fark party
 
2020-10-07 6:34:59 PM  
plus, 40m from cognac? we'd need a party bus also.
 
2020-10-07 6:40:22 PM  
Cheaper than building your own in California and pissing off every homeowner within 5 miles....

It fits NONE of the surrounding properties, is a private residence/winery without tasting room, and is probably part of an agricultural tax dodge because there are vineyards attached.  My guess 11k sq ft., and $4-5k/month in property tax.

The screen captures are flattering.

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2020-10-07 6:40:55 PM  
wonder how much gas it would take to drive there from ohio...(?)
 
2020-10-07 6:47:44 PM  

Fizpez: At the very end it says the property taxes are ~$4000.... which is about 6 months of my property taxes on what is DEFINITELY not a castle.


I've mentioned this before but in the UK you could buy Buckingham Palace for a billion pounds as your personal home and the annual property tax you'd pay would be £1750 ( $2230). The most anyone in the UK pays for council tax is around £4k.  Westminster, where Buck House is, is below average in their charges.

/In practise you'd pay more since they count each "separate" unit as liable for the tax, and the palace has lots of self contained apartments.
 
2020-10-07 7:07:45 PM  
This is in Evergreen CO and still for sale.
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2020-10-07 11:18:35 PM  
That's not a castle that's just a mansion.
 
2020-10-07 11:20:06 PM  

Massively Multiplayer Addict: That's not a castle that's just a mansion.


Really?
 
2020-10-07 11:23:23 PM  

eurotrader: Sounds high. I was one of the original buyers for Château de Rastignac  that had  220 acres and useable farmhouse for less $250k. It was a fun rehab and even found a few caves on property with items left during WWII


That definitely ranks as a CSB!    awesome!   now I want a French castle.    I could sell my house in the SF Bay Area and probably manage the down payment.
 
2020-10-07 11:33:58 PM  

NotARocketScientist: NewWorldDan: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Castles cost a lot of money for upkeep and renovation (if they're old and need renovations). So some of them go for a "small" amount of money because whoever pays for them is going to spend several times that to make them livable.

TFA says "the property obtained full protection as a historic monument in France."  A property like this is essentially an expensive vanity project.  You aren't buying the property so much as volunteering to be the conservator of it.

This.
Your stuck with the very gaudy decoration scheme because it's historic.
No thanks!



There is some variability in all that.  most historic property has the exterior locked down, because the town and state and country and preserving the landscape, and the property is now part of a valuable landscape.  Most historic properties can be wildly modernized indoors.  It is only the very special sites that enforce facade-to-basement fidelity.
 
2020-10-07 11:34:40 PM  

dbaggins: eurotrader: Sounds high. I was one of the original buyers for Château de Rastignac  that had  220 acres and useable farmhouse for less $250k. It was a fun rehab and even found a few caves on property with items left during WWII

That definitely ranks as a CSB!    awesome!   now I want a French castle.    I could sell my house in the SF Bay Area and probably manage the down payment.


I say look in the dordogne and the foie gras is awesome.
 
2020-10-07 11:41:50 PM  

eurotrader: dbaggins: eurotrader: Sounds high. I was one of the original buyers for Château de Rastignac  that had  220 acres and useable farmhouse for less $250k. It was a fun rehab and even found a few caves on property with items left during WWII

That definitely ranks as a CSB!    awesome!   now I want a French castle.    I could sell my house in the SF Bay Area and probably manage the down payment.

I say look in the dordogne and the foie gras is awesome.



I LOVE the Dordogne region.  An hour drive to Bordeaux!   I love Bordeaux as a city but living there is a pain.  I did a long term apartment there when I was working for INRIA Bordeaux.  But I still preferred the areas outside Bergerac...and you get great Basque restaurants mixed in.   And weekend trips to San Sebastion...

Look....  if Trump is re-elected this plague will never end and I'm never going to be able to work in the office again....
 
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