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2020-10-06 7:43:19 PM  
He only faces 4 years for this? 4 years? What the.........
 
2020-10-06 7:51:19 PM  
He's going to prison, if he doesn't die of COVID first.

Idiots.  All around.
 
2020-10-06 8:36:58 PM  
Masks or no masks involved, if you're out pushing people down, especially older people, you're a real asshole.
 
2020-10-06 8:38:16 PM  
A 65-year-old getting into a fight with an 80-year-old.

There must be nothing to do in that town.
 
2020-10-06 8:42:28 PM  

sammyk: He only faces 4 years for this? 4 years? What the.........


For better or worse, looks like the standard for negligent homicide in NY state :/

https://www.ny-criminal-defense-lawyer​.com/criminally-negligent-homicide/#:~​:text=125.10%20Criminally%20Negligent%​20Homicide.,to%20four%20years%20in%20p​rison.
 
2020-10-06 8:42:52 PM  
Walk the guy through a COVID ward without a mask, so he can see it is real.  And maybe find out for himself.
 
2020-10-06 8:45:53 PM  
So if this keeps happening, that means I can claim self-defense and preemptively coldcock anybody not wearing a mask.
 
2020-10-06 8:48:21 PM  
A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?
 
2020-10-06 8:50:21 PM  

PunGent: sammyk: He only faces 4 years for this? 4 years? What the.........

For better or worse, looks like the standard for negligent homicide in NY state :/

https://www.ny-criminal-defense-lawyer​.com/criminally-negligent-homicide/#:~​:text=125.10%20Criminally%20Negligent%​20Homicide.,to%20four%20years%20in%20p​rison.


Once you reach some sort of critical population level everyone's lives starts becoming less marginally valuable, hence why you have stupid crap like this.
 
2020-10-06 8:53:24 PM  

Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?


I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.
 
2020-10-06 8:53:58 PM  
"Lewinski paid his bar tab and left after the incident"

I can't help but wonder how that worked. Push a guy, he's on the ground  not responding, havinf a seizure.... a sidle up to the bar and pay your tab and leave?
 
2020-10-06 8:54:04 PM  
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2020-10-06 8:54:59 PM  

chawco: "Lewinski paid his bar tab and left after the incident"

I can't help but wonder how that worked. Push a guy, he's on the ground  not responding, havinf a seizure.... a sidle up to the bar and pay your tab and leave?


He might have saved himself a few years of additional prison time for taking the time to settle up.
 
2020-10-06 8:55:25 PM  

Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?


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2020-10-06 8:56:11 PM  
It's the West Seneca way.
 
2020-10-06 8:56:46 PM  

Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?


He didn't intentionally kill the man, hence the 4 years - for manslaughter.  He just shoved the older gent down where he hit his head on the floor and died.

Which is why you don't just do things like that, because you could easily kill someone by accident if they hit their head on the way down.
 
2020-10-06 8:57:59 PM  
This is exactly what Trump is doing. He is enabling an attitude. Don't be afraid. It's a hoax. Democrats = Bad. Freedom. Make America Push Innocent Well-Intentioned Americans Over.
 
2020-10-06 9:00:33 PM  

Majin_Buu: So if this keeps happening, that means I can claim self-defense and preemptively coldcock anybody not wearing a mask.


No, because this wasn't a self defense case.

Just a stupidity case.
 
2020-10-06 9:04:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Majin_Buu: So if this keeps happening, that means I can claim self-defense and preemptively coldcock anybody not wearing a mask.

No, because this wasn't a self defense case.

Just a stupidity case.


What was it they used to say, be the change you wish to see in the world?
 
2020-10-06 9:06:25 PM  

rhiannon: Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?

I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.


I completely agree. I'm not lying blame on either side. What I'm saying is that it's insane that someone is killed over a face mask.
 
2020-10-06 9:07:41 PM  
"Rocco Sapienza got into an argument with 65-year-old Donald Lewinski when he saw the younger man not wearing a mask "

Not often you hear a 65 year old referred to as "the younger man."
 
2020-10-06 9:11:56 PM  
I'm sure all the Buffalo cops will come out to support that fine upstanding young man.

cracking the skulls of geriatrics on the ground is quite the status symbol in that area.
 
2020-10-06 9:15:12 PM  

rhiannon: Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?

I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.


Farking this.

What's that expression they use at the Root? Oh yeah:  "Don't start none, won't be none."

Seriously. If you aren't an employee, and you aren't law enforcement or with the health department, you have no farking standing...so just move away from the person without the mask and go about your day.

Basically because someone wanted to be a tough guy, he's now dead, and the other idiot is likely to go to jail. Farking morons all around.

Also, if you're that concerned then why are you at a farking bar? Stay the fark home.
 
2020-10-06 9:17:00 PM  
Was there any mayonnaise involved this time?
 
2020-10-06 9:19:23 PM  
Not wearing a mask? You're an asshole.

Lewinski pushed Sapienza "pretty hard" with both hands, prompting the older man to fall back and hit his head on the floor, according to Erie County District Attorney John Flynn.

This is an extraordinarily inappropriate level of response for being confronted about being an asshole. However, in his defense, accidents happen, this wasn't like he stabbed or shot the other guy, knowingly killing him.

Lewinski paid his bar tab and left after the incident, but he was later identified through interviews and surveillance footage,

And this is where it's clear you're a callous piece of shiat who does not belong in society. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail.
 
2020-10-06 9:28:56 PM  

gar1013: if you're that concerned then why are you at a farking bar?


Right.

Eventually everyone there is going to be taking off their mask (multiple times).

This guy was looking for trouble.
 
2020-10-06 9:28:59 PM  

PunGent: sammyk: He only faces 4 years for this? 4 years? What the.........

For better or worse, looks like the standard for negligent homicide in NY state :/

https://www.ny-criminal-defense-lawyer​.com/criminally-negligent-homicide/#:~​:text=125.10%20Criminally%20Negligent%​20Homicide.,to%20four%20years%20in%20p​rison.


Wouldn't he be facing a longer sentence if it were merely assault? I'm still waiting to hear about this guy:
https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/buffalo​-​cops-expected-to-face-charges-in-conne​ction-with-protester-push-report/
 
2020-10-06 9:34:16 PM  
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2020-10-06 9:37:23 PM  

gar1013: rhiannon: Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?

I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.

Farking this.

What's that expression they use at the Root? Oh yeah:  "Don't start none, won't be none."

Seriously. If you aren't an employee, and you aren't law enforcement or with the health department, you have no farking standing...so just move away from the person without the mask and go about your day.

Basically because someone wanted to be a tough guy, he's now dead, and the other idiot is likely to go to jail. Farking morons all around.

Also, if you're that concerned then why are you at a farking bar? Stay the fark home.


We're not, as a society or as individuals obliged to put up with life threatening behavior from plague spreading malcontents.

If it was a black kid in a wal mart toy aisle you people would be cheering the cop that murdered them, so fark off
 
2020-10-06 9:41:07 PM  

FrancoFile: A 65-year-old getting into a fight with an 80-year-old.

There must be nothing to do in that town.


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2020-10-06 9:48:11 PM  
It will be labelled a covid related death
 
2020-10-06 9:50:58 PM  

ctighe2353: It will be labelled a covid related death


So a hoax related death from an illness that is just another flu.
 
2020-10-06 9:52:54 PM  
I'd have to pay the bar for the chair that I broke over this motherfarker's head.
 
2020-10-06 9:55:44 PM  

Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?


Wearing masks
 
2020-10-06 9:57:26 PM  
Guy doesn't look bad for 80 years old. Looks like he took care of himself, lived well, and was consistently at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2020-10-06 9:58:48 PM  

whitroth: I'd have to pay the bar for the chair that I broke over this motherfarker's head.


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2020-10-06 9:59:35 PM  

Resident Muslim: Guy doesn't look bad for 80 years old. Looks like he took care of himself, lived well, and was consistently at the gym in 26 minutes.


And from his son's description he sounds like a good guy to have a beer with.
 
2020-10-06 10:04:29 PM  

neongoats: gar1013: rhiannon: Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?

I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.

Farking this.

What's that expression they use at the Root? Oh yeah:  "Don't start none, won't be none."

Seriously. If you aren't an employee, and you aren't law enforcement or with the health department, you have no farking standing...so just move away from the person without the mask and go about your day.

Basically because someone wanted to be a tough guy, he's now dead, and the other idiot is likely to go to jail. Farking morons all around.

Also, if you're that concerned then why are you at a farking bar? Stay the fark home.

We're not, as a society or as individuals obliged to put up with life threatening behavior from plague spreading malcontents.

If it was a black kid in a wal mart toy aisle you people would be cheering the cop that murdered them, so fark off


You're on fark, not stormfront.  Go get yourself some help.
 
2020-10-06 10:47:54 PM  

FrancoFile: A 65-year-old getting into a fight with an 80-year-old.

There must be nothing to do in that town.


Well, aside from betting on the GumFights...

/Q: How are GumFights better than BumFights?
/A: Depends.
 
2020-10-06 11:14:17 PM  
I think there's some seriously off-topic comments in here that need to be ... aborted.
 
2020-10-06 11:18:04 PM  

gar1013: rhiannon: Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?

I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.

Farking this.

What's that expression they use at the Root? Oh yeah:  "Don't start none, won't be none."

Seriously. If you aren't an employee, and you aren't law enforcement or with the health department, you have no farking standing...so just move away from the person without the mask and go about your day.

Basically because someone wanted to be a tough guy, he's now dead, and the other idiot is likely to go to jail. Farking morons all around.

Also, if you're that concerned then why are you at a farking bar? Stay the fark home.


Ah yes, the representative of the Party of Personal Responsibility. See a crime in progress? Just walk away.
 
2020-10-06 11:39:08 PM  
If you're bothered by people not wearing masks, then hanging out in a bar would seem like a mistake.  It's a closed space, lots of people, and you can't drink with a mask on.  That just sounds high risk all the way around, and it's not reasonable to expect people to wear a mask in a bar, IMO.

I'm a fan of masks, social distancing, etc.  And that means, for the time being, no going to bars.
 
2020-10-07 12:14:47 AM  

Harlee: gar1013: rhiannon: Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?

I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.

Farking this.

What's that expression they use at the Root? Oh yeah:  "Don't start none, won't be none."

Seriously. If you aren't an employee, and you aren't law enforcement or with the health department, you have no farking standing...so just move away from the person without the mask and go about your day.

Basically because someone wanted to be a tough guy, he's now dead, and the other idiot is likely to go to jail. Farking morons all around.

Also, if you're that concerned then why are you at a farking bar? Stay the fark home.

Ah yes, the representative of the Party of Personal Responsibility. See a crime in progress? Just walk away.


Oh look, the guy who claims to have health issues and yet goes up to complain to people who aren't wearing masks has checked in.

Yawn.
 
2020-10-07 12:52:03 AM  

gar1013: Harlee: gar1013: rhiannon: Dr Nostromo: A man kills another over a face mask. Why are there people who simply don't see how utterly insane that is?

I know I'm alone on this opinion here on Fark, but I say they're both idiots. See someone not wearing a mask? Walk away. Not wearing a mask? Dummy the hell up.

Farking this.

What's that expression they use at the Root? Oh yeah:  "Don't start none, won't be none."

Seriously. If you aren't an employee, and you aren't law enforcement or with the health department, you have no farking standing...so just move away from the person without the mask and go about your day.

Basically because someone wanted to be a tough guy, he's now dead, and the other idiot is likely to go to jail. Farking morons all around.

Also, if you're that concerned then why are you at a farking bar? Stay the fark home.

Ah yes, the representative of the Party of Personal Responsibility. See a crime in progress? Just walk away.

Oh look, the guy who claims to have health issues and yet goes up to complain to people who aren't wearing masks has checked in.

Yawn.


former Marine
Says, can you wear a mask?
Dies.

An 80 year old dude asking that?  Without any more information?

You could always I don't know, not push someone over?  You could, I dunno, wear a facemask, or do nothing.

Or push someone over because yawn.

farking sick
 
2020-10-07 1:08:01 AM  

GanjSmokr: Masks or no masks involved, if you're out pushing people down, especially older people, you're a real asshole.


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2020-10-07 1:35:50 AM  
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He didn't seem to have a problem wearing one when he was arraigned.

If only he'd been so willing to cooperate with the requirement in the first place.
 
2020-10-07 1:43:47 AM  

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He didn't seem to have a problem wearing one when he was arraigned.

If only he'd been so willing to cooperate with the requirement in the first place.


Well, see, we don't know the whole story, do we.  He might have thrown a fit at the door and been required to wear a mask by people with guns.  We can't give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Isn't that the way it works?
 
2020-10-07 2:48:45 AM  

Declassify Issue: This is exactly what Trump is doing. He is enabling an attitude. Don't be afraid. It's a hoax. Democrats = Bad. Freedom. Make America Push Innocent Well-Intentioned Americans Over.


And the left has turned mask-shamers into righteous asshole crusaders, and of this they ALL were in a BAR drinking away which according to you karens should be prohibited anyways and they all should be at home quarantined. Old man would be alive if he minded his own damn business, so yes a mouth and a push created this situation there isn't any innocents in sight.

Dead guy is the same sort who runs 55 in the passing lane cuz none of y'all should be driving past the speed limit I'll just take the law into my hands here....then get surprised when a road rage happens.
 
2020-10-07 3:13:15 AM  

abiigdog: Declassify Issue: This is exactly what Trump is doing. He is enabling an attitude. Don't be afraid. It's a hoax. Democrats = Bad. Freedom. Make America Push Innocent Well-Intentioned Americans Over.

And the left has turned mask-shamers into righteous asshole crusaders, and of this they ALL were in a BAR drinking away which according to you karens should be prohibited anyways and they all should be at home quarantined. Old man would be alive if he minded his own damn business, so yes a mouth and a push created this situation there isn't any innocents in sight.

Dead guy is the same sort who runs 55 in the passing lane cuz none of y'all should be driving past the speed limit I'll just take the law into my hands here....then get surprised when a road rage happens.


Sorry. Your complete failure to grasp the English language has made your opinions not worth considering. Good day.
 
2020-10-07 5:23:08 AM  

abiigdog: Declassify Issue: This is exactly what Trump is doing. He is enabling an attitude. Don't be afraid. It's a hoax. Democrats = Bad. Freedom. Make America Push Innocent Well-Intentioned Americans Over.

And the left has turned mask-shamers into righteous asshole crusaders, and of this they ALL were in a BAR drinking away which according to you karens should be prohibited anyways and they all should be at home quarantined. Old man would be alive if he minded his own damn business, so yes a mouth and a push created this situation there isn't any innocents in sight.

Dead guy is the same sort who runs 55 in the passing lane cuz none of y'all should be driving past the speed limit I'll just take the law into my hands here....then get surprised when a road rage happens.


Link to NYPost, get sewer rats like you.
 
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