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2020-10-01 6:17:10 PM  
LeBron James "A BEAUTIFUL MIND" Amazing Photographic Memory
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2020-10-01 7:09:19 PM  
LeBron James is the Second Coming of Oscar Robertson, only with more talented players to work with and more options to use on offense.
 
2020-10-01 7:34:38 PM  

ClavellBCMI: LeBron James is the Second Coming of Oscar Robertson, only with more talented players to work with and more options to use on offense.


Was it LeBron James who gave some serious love to Oscar Robertson in the past few years? I'm sure a few guys have but I'm pretty sure I'm thinking of James.

The problem with guys like Robertson is that it is so difficult to properly assess guys who were gone long before you yourself were watching. Not that Robertson is ancient news but all I've ever seen of him are highlights and anybody can look good if only their highlights are shown, I've never watched a full game with him.

I didn't feel this way once upon a time but more and more I've come to generally feel that guys who played prior to "X" simply belong in their own category when it comes to this ranking or that ranking. I can't accurately even give what would be my own imperfect assessment of a guy I wasn't able to see, and certainly not one I only see the kickass moments of and not where failure was the outcome.

I don't fault such players for being less athletic than those currently on the court, I can't hold that against them because that wouldn't be fair. I can only judge them against their competition. Yes, hardware is impressive. Bill Russell having two hands with rings on all ten possibilities and still one leftover ring sitting on the table blows my mind but I didn't watch him in the same way I didn't watch Robertson.

As a general rule though, if a player was good enough to dominate in one era I'd say it is a decent bet that they're do so in a different one because they'd do the same sort of mental and physical training as the era they'd be placed in.

I don't know precisely where the cutoff would be but at some point it has to arrive at "I'll take your word for it."
 
2020-10-01 8:25:21 PM  
Eh, three titles going on four, with those teams?

Others could have done that well. And he's lucky to even have two of those rings.
 
2020-10-01 8:37:49 PM  
which is why the LeBron-MJ comparisons are dumb.   He is a bigger version of the Big O.  Robertson had some decent guys around him, Jerry Lucas for example, and the young Kareem in Milwaukee, but routinely led his team in points (before going to Milwaukee) and assists and grabbed his share of rebounds despite being a smaller guy in a big center league.   There was nobody greater than Kareem in Milwaukee, except maybe Wilt in his early years.
 
2020-10-01 8:39:12 PM  
To be fair, LOL at the 76ers.

Wow. DOC is going to fix that franchisw? Oh wow.
 
2020-10-01 9:18:01 PM  

puffy999: Eh, three titles going on four, with those teams?

Others could have done that well. And he's lucky to even have two of those rings.


What team should he have beaten but didn't?

/except the 2011 Mavs
//that was just the universe making up for 2006 anyway
 
2020-10-01 10:48:05 PM  

puffy999: Eh, three titles going on four, with those teams?

Others could have done that well. And he's lucky to even have two of those rings.


Looking back, and TFA covers that era in an interesting way, I become even more impressed by what he did with those pre-Heat (heh) Cavs teams.  So young, and so unselfish for his age (or any).  Think about Kobe at that age, for instance.  Without a talent like Shaq, would he have been on a 50-win team with the same players (before age 28 or 30)?  Laughable.

TFA does a great job of demonstrating how he got what he did out of those players.  It's insane that a 20 year old kid did that.  The only thing comparable that we've seen is with one or two point guards; Ja Morant gets his, but also brings the best out of his teammates, and is getting better at it.

Most of those Cavs teams would've been 30 win teams.  And yeah, the Heat should've beaten Dallas in the Finals.  He just wasn't comfortable no longer deferring, to one of the best talents in the league, and taking over.  He figured it out by the following year.

And I'm no Lebron defender, I don't even like the guy normally.  And I *do* still think Jordan is the best ever.  But it's a close competition and they're difficult to compare.  Very different players in very different eras

/LeBron himself has *played* in two pretty different eras, and excelled in both
 
2020-10-01 10:54:04 PM  
WoodyHayes:

It's impossible to compare, and unfair. I agree that all we can do is compare how they measured up in their respective eras.

And part of the reason Robertson didn't get enough credit was that people in his own era (and later) found him very hard to like.  But he had some damn good reasons for being an asshole.  Reading about what he went through, beyond what most black guys went through even, it's unbelievable.

We had recent players play poorly because they couldn't deal with the bubble.
 
2020-10-01 11:18:39 PM  

IAmRight: puffy999: Eh, three titles going on four, with those teams?

Others could have done that well. And he's lucky to even have two of those rings.

What team should he have beaten but didn't?

/except the 2011 Mavs
//that was just the universe making up for 2006 anyway


The Spurs and Warriors both choked in their own epic ways. If LeBron were not on those winning teams, both of those series would have been remembered more for the loser than the winner.

Naido: Looking back, and TFA covers that era in an interesting way, I become even more impressed by what he did with those pre-Heat (heh) Cavs teams.  So young, and so unselfish for his age (or any


Allen Iverson took a lesser team to the Finals. And lord knows ESPN will never, ever let us forget it.
 
2020-10-01 11:22:38 PM  
FWIW I think LeBron is a top 5 player. He has always had impeccable on court vision.

But... I mean, when Tim Duncan has five rings, Kobe had five... let's not talk about GM LeBron chasing four on his THIRD hand-picked "Super Team" and act like he's the brains of these operations. If so, he's almost at Trump's level of success.
 
2020-10-01 11:29:45 PM  

puffy999: FWIW I think LeBron is a top 5 player. He has always had impeccable on court vision.



All time, I mean. He's this generation's Wilt but a better BASKETBALL player.

He's NOT overrated, he's genuinely the best of his generation without debate and has, generally, been the best player in the sport each season. So make no mistake, he's not overrated like Kobe was.. Faaar from it.

BUT. When I see LeBron, I see the recent Warriors team: if the focus had been on improving weaknesses, instead of perfecting strengths, you'd be talking about twice as many titles and unquestionable GOAT status (unlike that overrated Tom Brady and his limp noodle).
 
2020-10-01 11:35:50 PM  

puffy999: IAmRight: puffy999: Eh, three titles going on four, with those teams?

Others could have done that well. And he's lucky to even have two of those rings.

What team should he have beaten but didn't?

/except the 2011 Mavs
//that was just the universe making up for 2006 anyway

The Spurs and Warriors both choked in their own epic ways. If LeBron were not on those winning teams, both of those series would have been remembered more for the loser than the winner.

Naido: Looking back, and TFA covers that era in an interesting way, I become even more impressed by what he did with those pre-Heat (heh) Cavs teams.  So young, and so unselfish for his age (or any

Allen Iverson took a lesser team to the Finals. And lord knows ESPN will never, ever let us forget it.


If LeBron were not on those teams, those teams wouldn't have been in position to reach the Finals, much less come anywhere near capitalizing on "choking".
 
2020-10-01 11:37:19 PM  
WoodyHayes:

The dominant HoF players can play in any era in whatever sport they played

The mid level players would be on the bubble due to less teams

The "rookie call up, or utility player, enforcer, all star sixth man, journey men" of today would not cut it but would train and coach the hell out of the other eras
 
2020-10-02 10:32:33 AM  
In fairness, it's a lot easier to be a GM when you're guaranteed to have the best player in the league on your team.

Imagine if he was the GM for a team he WASN'T on.

...actually, he kinda did that by leaving Cleveland, forcing Miami to trade to get him to allow for a fifth year option he didn't pick up, and giving the Cavs several first-round picks so when he came back he could have competent teammates.
 
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