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2020-10-01 11:40:37 AM  
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2020-10-01 12:06:46 PM  
How much money are they dedicating to portage maintenance?
 
2020-10-01 12:42:27 PM  

UberDave: How much money are they dedicating to portage maintenance?


I hope there's something... I kayaked up to the top of a lake system only to find the portage to the river I wanted to get to completely grown over. I emailed the province and they said "You are more than welcome to clear light brush but do not cut any trees larger than 3" in diameter. Good Luck." So, it'll be a project with my friends over the next few years.

I also hope this includes more solar credits. We already have an interest free provincial loan for a large portion of the costs but I want some federal credits because the loan is capped.
 
2020-10-01 2:52:10 PM  
Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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2020-10-01 5:02:31 PM  

sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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/a reference to this
 
2020-10-01 5:10:47 PM  
that's like a billion per Canadian!
 
2020-10-01 5:12:56 PM  
$10 billion?
So two and a half pipelines?
 
2020-10-01 5:13:37 PM  
Saving the poutine industry should be paramount cos that stuff is tasty.

/IANAEconomist.
 
2020-10-01 5:14:36 PM  

sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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As a Canadian, it's so refreshing to see how our politics differ from the hellscape down south. I often forget that we are 2 separate countries with different ideals and attitudes. Makes me very glad I live here, and very worried for our neighbors down south.

Having said that, Erin O'Toole looks like he should have a permanent helium voice.
 
2020-10-01 5:16:18 PM  

sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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I'm sure more personal attacks on Trudeau will work this time. Maybe they'll call him Justin a few more times.
 
2020-10-01 5:24:14 PM  
I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

In terms of available revenue, Alberta is not able to contribute like it used to. The economy has slowed and there's not a lot more to take in with respect to taxes (for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).

I am glad to pay taxes for good investments like: healthcare, climate initiatives, education, roads, a social safety net for the less well off, etc. But there's a limit of how much most tax payers can be expected to give.  Especially when this government, like most, pays out significant amounts in corporate welfare and the wealthy have tax dodges built into the tax code.

I also wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for the guns the government intends to seize.  I think the gun seizure is a huge waste of money that will do nothing to solve the underlying problem of violence involving firearms.
 
2020-10-01 5:25:34 PM  

sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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Hard to believe that guy is younger than Trudeau.
 
2020-10-01 5:27:44 PM  

sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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Just as soon as he finishes his isolation, I bet he will get right on it. At least that is what my in-laws will say.
 
2020-10-01 5:34:30 PM  

rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.


The government makes its own money.

So they just create it.
 
2020-10-01 5:37:12 PM  

rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

(for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).


If your tax rate is that high, either your accountant should be fired, or you're too rich to complain.
 
2020-10-01 5:37:56 PM  
O'Toole is a tool.
 
2020-10-01 5:47:15 PM  
Actually, let's go a step further:O'Toole is a wedge, the simplest  tool known to mankind.
 
2020-10-01 5:47:51 PM  

rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

In terms of available revenue, Alberta is not able to contribute like it used to. The economy has slowed and there's not a lot more to take in with respect to taxes (for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).

I am glad to pay taxes for good investments like: healthcare, climate initiatives, education, roads, a social safety net for the less well off, etc. But there's a limit of how much most tax payers can be expected to give.  Especially when this government, like most, pays out significant amounts in corporate welfare and the wealthy have tax dodges built into the tax code.

I also wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for the guns the government intends to seize.  I think the gun seizure is a huge waste of money that will do nothing to solve the underlying problem of violence involving firearms.


Your concern is noted.
 
2020-10-01 5:49:36 PM  

sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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How can he be the handyman and a farking tool all at the same time?
 
2020-10-01 6:00:25 PM  

Ishkur: rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

The government makes its own money.

So they just create it.


Since the Canadian dollar is of the minor reserve currencies of the world, the feds can get away with modest amounts of quantitative easement without creating inflation but not on the scale the US and EU can.
 
2020-10-01 6:04:54 PM  

SirMadness: rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

(for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).

If your tax rate is that high, either your accountant should be fired, or you're too rich to complain.


They would need to make at least $300.000.00 a year living in Quebec to hit that rate. it's much harder outside of Quebec.  So they're either counting wrong or can absolutely afford it.
 
2020-10-01 6:07:45 PM  

raius: SirMadness: rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

(for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).

If your tax rate is that high, either your accountant should be fired, or you're too rich to complain.

They would need to make at least $300.000.00 a year living in Quebec to hit that rate. it's much harder outside of Quebec.  So they're either counting wrong or can absolutely afford it.


By 50%, he means 25%, of course.
 
2020-10-01 6:12:27 PM  

SirMadness: rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

(for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).

If your tax rate is that high, either your accountant should be fired, or you're too rich to complain.


Seriously.  50% is insane (even if you fold in sales taxes).  Even Quebec's combined provincial and federal rate isn't that high (maybe the top bracket is but you don't pay the top bracket rate on everything or even most of it unless your income is so high that you're very comfortable indeed).  My spouse and I clear a very comfortable middle class income and with one dependant and with our very simple returns (no fancy tax savings) we're paying maybe 20% or so in Ontario (in terms of our actual tax owed vs gross income - our bracket is higher, but only a fraction is at that rate and a fraction is far lower of course)... And it's only that high because we haven't gotten around to setting up RRSPs and the other usual middle class options.
 
2020-10-01 6:17:37 PM  

Dr Snokle: sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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Just as soon as he finishes his isolation, I bet he will get right on it. At least that is what my in-laws will say.


Erin was in the House *yesterday*. Ontario COVID-19 rules are pretty clear about self isolating for 14 days after a positive test. Yesterday was 12 days for him, and 8 for his wife who was not separately isolating.  Once again a Con politician for whom the rules don't apply.
 
2020-10-01 6:42:00 PM  

sno man: Dr Snokle: sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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Just as soon as he finishes his isolation, I bet he will get right on it. At least that is what my in-laws will say.

Erin was in the House *yesterday*. Ontario COVID-19 rules are pretty clear about self isolating for 14 days after a positive test. Yesterday was 12 days for him, and 8 for his wife who was not separately isolating.  Once again a Con politician for whom the rules don't apply.


Man, I am so glad for such a strong leader!

When Ford is harder than him you have a problem.
 
2020-10-01 6:48:23 PM  

rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

In terms of available revenue, Alberta is not able to contribute like it used to. The economy has slowed and there's not a lot more to take in with respect to taxes (for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).

I am glad to pay taxes for good investments like: healthcare, climate initiatives, education, roads, a social safety net for the less well off, etc. But there's a limit of how much most tax payers can be expected to give.  Especially when this government, like most, pays out significant amounts in corporate welfare and the wealthy have tax dodges built into the tax code.

I also wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for the guns the government intends to seize.  I think the gun seizure is a huge waste of money that will do nothing to solve the underlying problem of violence involving firearms.


The government put out a tender for private companies to offer a plan to receive the guns and  compensate gun owners. It was recently retracted. My theory is that the Liberals have once again wildly underestimated the cost of their feel good gun control measure and no private company could look at the numbers and make it work. We have never had a gun problem in Canada but we do have a gang problem. The problem is that everytime there is a shooting in Scarborough the cry goes out to disarm the old boys at the Rod and Gun Club and find some more money for after school homework programs. Pardon my skepticism that anybody shooting up a nightclub at 2am is only doing it because he couldn't find help with his algebra assignment.
 
2020-10-01 6:57:54 PM  

Dr Snokle: sno man: Dr Snokle: sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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Just as soon as he finishes his isolation, I bet he will get right on it. At least that is what my in-laws will say.

Erin was in the House *yesterday*. Ontario COVID-19 rules are pretty clear about self isolating for 14 days after a positive test. Yesterday was 12 days for him, and 8 for his wife who was not separately isolating.  Once again a Con politician for whom the rules don't apply.

Man, I am so glad for such a strong leader!

When Ford is harder than him you have a problem.


It's not like Doug's been a rock star following the rules wise. April trip to the cottage when Muskoka was locked down, and Mother's Day dinner with all the daughters (some married and none living at home) well before households were supposed to co-mingle. Although I think he's mostly been better lately, following the rules-wise, there's plenty else he's not doing that he could be that's keeping me from being a fan.
 
2020-10-01 7:07:04 PM  

ParanoidRodent: Ishkur: rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

The government makes its own money.

So they just create it.

Since the Canadian dollar is of the minor reserve currencies of the world, the feds can get away with modest amounts of quantitative easement without creating inflation but not on the scale the US and EU can.


This is true.

We do not have the currency flexibility of the US, but we do have some.
 
2020-10-01 7:14:32 PM  

sno man: Dr Snokle: sno man: Dr Snokle: sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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Just as soon as he finishes his isolation, I bet he will get right on it. At least that is what my in-laws will say.

Erin was in the House *yesterday*. Ontario COVID-19 rules are pretty clear about self isolating for 14 days after a positive test. Yesterday was 12 days for him, and 8 for his wife who was not separately isolating.  Once again a Con politician for whom the rules don't apply.

Man, I am so glad for such a strong leader!

When Ford is harder than him you have a problem.

It's not like Doug's been a rock star following the rules wise. April trip to the cottage when Muskoka was locked down, and Mother's Day dinner with all the daughters (some married and none living at home) well before households were supposed to co-mingle. Although I think he's mostly been better lately, following the rules-wise, there's plenty else he's not doing that he could be that's keeping me from being a fan.


I think with the bar set so low thanks to Quebec with what is going on there it is hard to say.

All I want to know is why no one else is following us in the Atlantic Provinces.

Don't get me wrong I do not like our Premier on how he has handled stuff in NS for the most part but they did something partially right.
 
2020-10-01 9:13:27 PM  
Better to print a bunch of money for a few infrastructure projects than just dumping it down the cerb.  My company has been desperate for 1-2 decent employees that can grab their ass with both hands for months now, and we pay 25 an hour to start for someone with the most basic of construction experience.  We have been unsuccessful to date, and we aren't the only company looking to hire according to all the ads I have been hearing on the radio.  I'm all for the concept of keeping people in their homes and fed during a pandemic, and I definitely needed to draw from it for a couple months, but there needs to be some leverage applied to get people back to work safely.

Also, that gun legislation is moronic.  I can say that as a responsible cat owner.
 
2020-10-01 9:19:48 PM  

SirMadness: rattchett: I think infrastructure is a good investment but I do wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for this.

(for example, my combined federal and provincial taxes are over 50% and I am tapped out).

If your tax rate is that high, either your accountant should be fired, or you're too rich to complain.


I think it's far more likely they're just lying.
 
2020-10-01 9:37:26 PM  

The Silver Mullet: sno man: Looks like the leader of the opposition is all set.
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As a Canadian, it's so refreshing to see how our politics differ from the hellscape down south. I often forget that we are 2 separate countries with different ideals and attitudes. Makes me very glad I live here, and very worried for our neighbors down south.

Having said that, Erin O'Toole looks like he should have a permanent helium voice.


Love this comment, and let me tell you why.

A lot of arguments are couched positively and everyone likes it that way. Infrastructure spending is an issue of choices rather than a debate about legitimacy of the process, with efforts to undermine it.

The American legal system is supposed to be based on advocacy, chances for justice, etc., but it come down to being a no holds barred, winner take all contest that presents a zero sum game. And politics and business and probably social relations too. Truly toxic.

Different countries solve problems different ways, but Canada seems to have a robust and basically fair system. When people say that liberal democracy is failing, I think they point to the US, and rightly so. But liberal democracy per se is solving problems and providing good life and lifestyle all over the world.

Another point is that politics in Canada seem to take a back seat to policy, which I think is usually good. THE GOVERNMENT has already figured out the plan, more or less, and there might be a little haggling, but the information and expertise are concentrated in the government rather than with outsiders. I think this gives better outcomes to Canadian people.
 
2020-10-01 10:01:37 PM  

Invalid Litter Dept: Better to print a bunch of money for a few infrastructure projects than just dumping it down the cerb.  My company has been desperate for 1-2 decent employees that can grab their ass with both hands for months now, and we pay 25 an hour to start for someone with the most basic of construction experience.  We have been unsuccessful to date, and we aren't the only company looking to hire according to all the ads I have been hearing on the radio.  I'm all for the concept of keeping people in their homes and fed during a pandemic, and I definitely needed to draw from it for a couple months, but there needs to be some leverage applied to get people back to work safely.

Also, that gun legislation is moronic.  I can say that as a responsible cat owner.


CERB, now over, was $2k/month to keep people from starving ALL of that money in at the bottom has actually fed the economy vs. trickle down which never actually does. It worked fine, and had sweet fark all to do with why you couldn't hire people for twice that. Honest.
 
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