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(Reuters)   Polish divers find WWII Nazi shipwreck that may end mystery of Russia's 'Amber Room', how the Nazis put a submarine in a can of Pledge   (reuters.com) divider line
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2020-10-01 11:50:26 AM  
It was from Koenigsberg that the Karlsruhe steamer set sail in 1945 with a heavy cargo, before being sunk by Soviet warplanes off the coast of Poland.
Divers from the Baltictech group say they have found the wreck of the Karlsruhe.


/ Ctrl+F
// sub
/// Phrase not found
 
2020-10-01 11:55:10 AM  
I've heard variations of this story for years where they think they found the stash in a cave, a safe under an old building, now a Nazi ship that can transform into a submarine.
 
2020-10-01 11:59:45 AM  

dammit just give me a login: It was from Koenigsberg that the Karlsruhe steamer set sail in 1945 with a heavy cargo, before being sunk by Soviet warplanes off the coast of Poland.
Divers from the Baltictech group say they have found the wreck of the Karlsruhe.

/ Ctrl+F
// sub
/// Phrase not found


Any ship can be a submarine, once.
 
2020-10-01 12:19:45 PM  
They were initially very puzzled as the vessel lacked screen doors.
 
2020-10-01 12:21:37 PM  
So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things
 
2020-10-01 12:26:15 PM  
WTF is that article about?

They stole a room and hid it on a submarine?
 
2020-10-01 12:26:17 PM  

lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things


I'm not sure of the mechanics of it but it was probably a bunch of panels covered with/made of amber.
 
2020-10-01 12:26:31 PM  
Took the divers a long time to identify the vessel as a submarine because of its lack of a screen door.
 
2020-10-01 12:30:26 PM  

lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things


That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-01 12:30:58 PM  
they ain't got jack.
 
2020-10-01 12:32:38 PM  

It's Bensane Garrison!: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

I'm not sure of the mechanics of it but it was probably a bunch of panels covered with/made of amber.


The walls of the original room were covered with panels worked out of amber, gold leaf, and mirrors.
When the Catharine Palace was taken, the panels were pried off and cut into manageable size.

Honestly, the room's ugly as fark.
 
2020-10-01 12:33:25 PM  
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2020-10-01 12:34:33 PM  

It's Bensane Garrison!: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

I'm not sure of the mechanics of it but it was probably a bunch of panels covered with/made of amber.


with gold gilding behind it apparently.

so lets do some quick math....the room reportedly had 6 tons of amber on it

current price average is around 300/gram

room should be around 2 billion dollars or so. And somehow people think they will find this before russian intelligence ever did. They might find the transport and empty crates at best
 
2020-10-01 12:35:43 PM  
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2020-10-01 12:37:14 PM  
According to the TFA linked: "It was from Koenigsberg that the Karlsruhe steamer set sail in 1945 with a heavy cargo, before being sunk by Soviet warplanes off the coast of Poland."

According to a CBS story on the same ship: "The wreckage of a German warship that was struck by a British torpedo in 1940 has been discovered off the coast or Norway. Norwegian power grid operator Statnett said the cruiser Karlsruhe was identified more than 1,600 feet underwater from sonar images."

So which is it?

2 separate ships named "Karlsruhe?
 
2020-10-01 12:37:53 PM  

sovah: Honestly, the room's ugly as fark.


You know what they say: if it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.
 
2020-10-01 12:40:52 PM  
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What a Submarine might look like??
 
2020-10-01 12:41:58 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sovah: Honestly, the room's ugly as fark.

You know what they say: if it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.


And I always say: "If it's Baroque, get some ga-lue and fa-ix it".
 
2020-10-01 12:42:51 PM  
As someone who's a sucker for a real-life lost important things story (even got an article published to Cracked at great effort on lost works of pop culture), I've done some research on this. The consensus is very much that it was destroyed in the bombing of Königsberg Castle, and that's probably right.

The Soviets, of course, don't want to admit that they may have accidentally destroyed a Russian national treasure, so the rumors flowed.
 
2020-10-01 12:43:31 PM  
my personal theory on the Amber rom is that it has long since been broken up and melted down and recast in numerous gold objects and the Amber has been reused as well.   That said even if if part of it is found in tact Russia will immediately claim it and those who labored to recover it will likely get nothing but a mention in the international news.
 
2020-10-01 12:44:29 PM  

grimlock1972: my personal theory on the Amber room is that it has long since been broken up and melted down and recast in numerous gold objects and the Amber has been reused as well.   That said even if if part of it is found in tact Russia will immediately claim it and those who labored to recover it will likely get nothing but a mention in the international news.


FTFM


the debate on the amber rom is not yet settled XD
 
2020-10-01 12:46:10 PM  
Sub par headline, subby
 
2020-10-01 12:55:47 PM  

dothemath: WTF is that article about?

They stole a room and hid it on a submarine?


sure, jan
 
2020-10-01 12:56:07 PM  
At first I thought the headline said "Polish drivers...". I may be a terrible person for not wondering "WTF?".
 
2020-10-01 12:58:30 PM  

some_beer_drinker: dothemath: WTF is that article about?

They stole a room and hid it on a submarine?

sure, jan


Ive eaten eight Nazi subs.

Two more and I get one free!
 
2020-10-01 12:59:06 PM  

lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things


Exactly
 
2020-10-01 1:02:00 PM  

Fireproof: As someone who's a sucker for a real-life lost important things story (even got an article published to Cracked at great effort on lost works of pop culture), I've done some research on this. The consensus is very much that it was destroyed in the bombing of Königsberg Castle, and that's probably right.

The Soviets, of course, don't want to admit that they may have accidentally destroyed a Russian national treasure, so the rumors flowed.


What's the name of the article? I'd like to read it.
 
2020-10-01 1:04:20 PM  

MrBonestripper: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
[Fark user image image 850x637]


Meanwhile the average Russian was eating bugs and dirt.
 
2020-10-01 1:07:59 PM  

It's Bensane Garrison!: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

I'm not sure of the mechanics of it but it was probably a bunch of panels covered with/made of amber.


Presumably they took the panels out and laid them flat then wrapped them for transport like an Ikea bookshelf. May have stopped off in Sweden to loot a little tiny wrench to put them back together with.
 
2020-10-01 1:08:06 PM  

mikaloyd: [thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com image 800x600]


Compare that with the pic of Dump's living room and you may have an epiphany.
 
zez
2020-10-01 1:08:32 PM  

MrBonestripper: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
[Fark user image 850x637]


Looks like trump has it now
 
2020-10-01 1:09:07 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: [Fark user image 425x575]
What a Submarine might look like??


Hmmm... and here I thought Deutsche Werke Kiel was a DJ.
 
2020-10-01 1:13:08 PM  
The Amber Room: Imperial Russia's Priceless Art Installation
Youtube LjY_0KpD5BQ
 
2020-10-01 1:14:44 PM  
Upon further research, TFA Karlsruhe went down in the Baltic, and CBS'S Karlsruhe went down in the North Sea.

2 separate ships, same name.
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-01 1:23:22 PM  

Lee in Texas: At first I thought the headline said "Polish drivers...". I may be a terrible person for not wondering "WTF?".


Yeah. They decompress on enriched nitrogen instead of pure O2.

Because there is no sunken sub in the article please accept this replacement. It's a short video I made inside the U-853. Human remains warning. U-853
 
2020-10-01 1:24:30 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Fireproof: As someone who's a sucker for a real-life lost important things story (even got an article published to Cracked at great effort on lost works of pop culture), I've done some research on this. The consensus is very much that it was destroyed in the bombing of Königsberg Castle, and that's probably right.

The Soviets, of course, don't want to admit that they may have accidentally destroyed a Russian national treasure, so the rumors flowed.

What's the name of the article? I'd like to read it.


My Cracked article? It's 7 Amazing Works of Pop Culture That Have Been Lost Forever.

My info on the Amber Room just comes from it's Wikipedia entry.
 
2020-10-01 1:31:04 PM  

Turbo Cojones: MrBonestripper: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
[Fark user image image 850x637]

Meanwhile the average Russian was eating bugs and dirt.


As someone with a bit of Russian ancestry, they likely wouldn't stop if they could.  Russians primarily define their existence by their relation to pain, suffering and misery.  Seriously, when they drink the vodak, they take a sip and then immediately put their arm up to their nose and breathe in hard in order to make the burn last longer.
 
2020-10-01 1:35:55 PM  

lifeslammer: It's Bensane Garrison!: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

I'm not sure of the mechanics of it but it was probably a bunch of panels covered with/made of amber.

with gold gilding behind it apparently.

so lets do some quick math....the room reportedly had 6 tons of amber on it

current price average is around 300/gram

room should be around 2 billion dollars or so. And somehow people think they will find this before russian intelligence ever did. They might find the transport and empty crates at best


Uh, amber is closer to 300/kg. (Depending on size and quality, it can get up to ten times that, but nowhere near $300/g unless we're talking about like blue Dominican amber with rare inclusions.) Being generous and assuming the highest quality and size of the pieces, the Amber Room was only worth around $25 million in terms of the gemstones themselves. Its real value was in the carving and arrangement, so its greatest worth was only if it was reassembled in another palace somewhere in Germany. The Nazis stole it for prestige, not because it was big money. If the Russians were so desperate to get it back because of its material value, why would they spend the money to reconstruct it?
 
2020-10-01 1:36:33 PM  

zez: MrBonestripper: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
[Fark user image 850x637]

Looks like trump has it now


He's too smart for that, gold spray paint is much cheaper, just as tacky.
 
2020-10-01 1:42:53 PM  

BumpInTheNight: zez: MrBonestripper: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
[Fark user image 850x637]

Looks like trump has it now

He's too smart for that, gold spray paint is much cheaper, just as tacky.


There was a recent story (or maybe it was a Fark post?) about a contractor being brought on to another one of his projects when the previous guy was fired. This particular room had gold on the walls, but farking opaque plastic in the windows instead of glass. The old contractor's budget had run out or something. The Farker strongly recommended replacing the windows, and Drumpf just stood there and basically said that he could pass them off for being made out of ivory.

/Feel free to correct that if you remember it better.
 
2020-10-01 1:43:00 PM  

Fireproof: machodonkeywrestler: Fireproof: As someone who's a sucker for a real-life lost important things story (even got an article published to Cracked at great effort on lost works of pop culture), I've done some research on this. The consensus is very much that it was destroyed in the bombing of Königsberg Castle, and that's probably right.

The Soviets, of course, don't want to admit that they may have accidentally destroyed a Russian national treasure, so the rumors flowed.

What's the name of the article? I'd like to read it.

My Cracked article? It's 7 Amazing Works of Pop Culture That Have Been Lost Forever.

My info on the Amber Room just comes from it's Wikipedia entry.


Nice!!
 
2020-10-01 1:43:58 PM  

Fireproof: machodonkeywrestler: Fireproof: As someone who's a sucker for a real-life lost important things story (even got an article published to Cracked at great effort on lost works of pop culture), I've done some research on this. The consensus is very much that it was destroyed in the bombing of Königsberg Castle, and that's probably right.

The Soviets, of course, don't want to admit that they may have accidentally destroyed a Russian national treasure, so the rumors flowed.

What's the name of the article? I'd like to read it.

My Cracked article? It's 7 Amazing Works of Pop Culture That Have Been Lost Forever.

My info on the Amber Room just comes from it's Wikipedia entry.


Oh yeah, and I don't have anything to do with the entries about Chinese philosophers or the Mexican war film.
 
2020-10-01 1:44:09 PM  

dancingsucks: Fireproof: machodonkeywrestler: Fireproof: As someone who's a sucker for a real-life lost important things story (even got an article published to Cracked at great effort on lost works of pop culture), I've done some research on this. The consensus is very much that it was destroyed in the bombing of Königsberg Castle, and that's probably right.

The Soviets, of course, don't want to admit that they may have accidentally destroyed a Russian national treasure, so the rumors flowed.

What's the name of the article? I'd like to read it.

My Cracked article? It's 7 Amazing Works of Pop Culture That Have Been Lost Forever.

My info on the Amber Room just comes from it's Wikipedia entry.

Nice!!


Thanks!
 
2020-10-01 2:08:51 PM  

lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things


I'm just glad someone else asked this.
 
2020-10-01 2:10:11 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sovah: Honestly, the room's ugly as fark.

You know what they say: if it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.


Reported.
 
2020-10-01 2:15:20 PM  

BumpInTheNight: zez: MrBonestripper: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
[Fark user image 850x637]

Looks like trump has it now

He's too smart for that, gold spray paint is much cheaper, just as tacky.


You need to wait until it dries
 
2020-10-01 2:16:59 PM  

Truck Fump: BumpInTheNight: zez: MrBonestripper: lifeslammer: So....they just cut the entire room out of the building and moved it?

Because thats what the article seems to imply with how they worded things

That's actually kinda what happened.

The whole room was paneled in amber, like some crazy mosaic.  The Nazis took out the panels as a war trophy.

Here's a pic of the recreation:
[Fark user image 850x637]

Looks like trump has it now

He's too smart for that, gold spray paint is much cheaper, just as tacky.

You need to wait until it dries


// Why, yes, I am posting from my basement.
// Working from home, dont'cha know
 
2020-10-01 2:19:39 PM  
The Germans did this everywhere they went. There are so many works of art still missing today it's amazing. Many were lost, destroyed or in private collections. We may never know the true cost.
 
2020-10-01 2:24:38 PM  

daffy: The Germans did this everywhere they went. There are so many works of art still missing today it's amazing. Many were lost, destroyed or in private collections. We may never know the true cost.


True. But we have top men looking for them. Top men.
 
2020-10-01 3:18:30 PM  

mmojo: daffy: The Germans did this everywhere they went. There are so many works of art still missing today it's amazing. Many were lost, destroyed or in private collections. We may never know the true cost.

True. But we have top men looking for them. Top men.


Mop ten.

Pet mon

Tom pen
 
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