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2020-10-01 10:15:51 AM  
Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.
 
2020-10-01 10:19:17 AM  
Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.
 
2020-10-01 10:57:40 AM  
Joke's on the submitter. All of our rights were wrested away from those bastards, starting with a Revolution. After an attempt to rule loosely, they decided it was too hard so they centralized power and write a rich man's document that codified slavery of human beings and excluded women and left it for those in power only to 'treat' with the indigenous peoples.
 
2020-10-01 2:11:34 PM  

eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.


1-12 year term, the justices should always be even numbered and they should be indexed with population growth (growing by 2 each time a new index is reached).  The starting number should be 12.

Of course this would create problems when the new index is reached, but with one 12 year term it wouldn't be agonizing.  Plus it would end this race to find the youngest possible person to throw on the court for 50 years.
 
2020-10-01 3:49:50 PM  
'Cept for guns. That there's a Jeebus-given right. You can have all the pew-pews you want!
 
2020-10-01 3:50:08 PM  

eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.


Yeah that's why I'm voting for Trump.

Basically, you can put a cavorting baboon farting through his cherry ass opposite Biden on the debate stage
- but when Biden basically admits he's going to pack the court, I'm voting for the baboon.
Done.
 
2020-10-01 3:50:17 PM  
But the important thing is that we really stug it to the DNC in 2016.
 
2020-10-01 3:50:33 PM  
BUT HER EMAILS.

Embiggened for emphasis.

This is fine, right? Hillary would have been just as bad, both sides, etc. (wanking motion)

Oh, and thanks, "liberal" media, for helping to elect the current asshole. You're all complicit, too.
 
2020-10-01 3:51:19 PM  

Animatronik: eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.

Yeah that's why I'm voting for Trump.

Basically, you can put a cavorting baboon farting through his cherry ass opposite Biden on the debate stage
- but when Biden basically admits he's going to pack the court, I'm voting for the baboon.
Done.


It's cool, we know you don't have any real principles anyway so it's not like any of us care what you do.
 
2020-10-01 3:52:26 PM  
Court packing is stupid.  Otherwise we'll end up with 99 justices over the next 20 years.

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.


Thank you very much Democrats for shoving Hillary and her stupid Scooby Van down everyone's throats.
 
2020-10-01 3:52:38 PM  

eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.


Term limits will require an amendment.
 
2020-10-01 3:53:06 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Court packing is stupid.  Otherwise we'll end up with 99 justices over the next 20 years.

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.

Thank you very much Democrats for shoving Hillary and her stupid Scooby Van down everyone's throats.


Why is that a problem? Individual justices have too much power as it is.
 
2020-10-01 3:53:36 PM  
I swear, every photo from this administration looks like a still from a movie based on a bad knock-off of a bad Tom Clancy novel:

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2020-10-01 3:53:55 PM  

Animatronik: eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.

Yeah that's why I'm voting for Trump.

Basically, you can put a cavorting baboon farting through his cherry ass opposite Biden on the debate stage
- but when Biden basically admits he's going to pack the court, I'm voting for the baboon.
Done.


You could have just said you're worried we won't get rolled back into a dystopic theocratic state. Would have been more honest.
 
2020-10-01 3:54:11 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Court packing is stupid.  Otherwise we'll end up with 99 justices over the next 20 years.

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.

Thank you very much Democrats for shoving Hillary and her stupid Scooby Van down everyone's throats.


By which you mean, more people voted for her.
 
2020-10-01 3:54:15 PM  

cepson: I swear, every photo from this administration looks like a still from a movie based on a bad knock-off of a bad Tom Clancy novel:

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What have they plotted in this one
 
2020-10-01 3:54:59 PM  

otherginger: TheGreatGazoo: Court packing is stupid.  Otherwise we'll end up with 99 justices over the next 20 years.

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.

Thank you very much Democrats for shoving Hillary and her stupid Scooby Van down everyone's throats.

By which you mean, more people voted for her.


Which might be important if she were running for the position of Queen of California.
 
2020-10-01 3:55:07 PM  

Sorelian's Ghost: eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.

1-12 year term, the justices should always be even numbered and they should be indexed with population growth (growing by 2 each time a new index is reached).  The starting number should be 12.

Of course this would create problems when the new index is reached, but with one 12 year term it wouldn't be agonizing.  Plus it would end this race to find the youngest possible person to throw on the court for 50 years.


As I've seen posted elsewhere:
-18 year term limit
-Elected every 2 years (each president is guaranteed 2-4 appointments)
-If a SCOTUS judge dies or otherwise steps down before 18 years, the senate majority/minority leader of the party of the president that appointed that judge gets to name the replacement for the remaining term.
 
2020-10-01 3:56:02 PM  

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.


But you don't understand, they made their point!

See what happens when you don't put an inspiring candidate on the ballot!

/wankingmotion.jpg
 
2020-10-01 3:59:16 PM  

Norquist Vagprobe: But the important thing is that we really stug it to the DNC in 2016.


It's really gross how you guys just skip right past all the people who actually helped get Donald Trump elected in some tangible form and blame progressives for it.

Did you try blaming Republican voters first?
Then white women?
Then James Comey?
Then Russian efforts?
Then Hillary for being an arrogant candidate that took things for granted and worked to actively elevate Donald Trump to be her adversary because she thought it was a slam dunk?

All of those are documented. But no, you run straight past all the proven concrete evidence and straight to your favorite bogeyman in your head.
 
2020-10-01 3:59:41 PM  
I hope for a lot of kick the can back down to the lower court decisions
 
2020-10-01 4:01:11 PM  
also yall forgot about how John McCain promised they weren't going to let Hillary pick anyone either, just like they did to Obama
 
2020-10-01 4:01:29 PM  

eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.


As well as the impeachment of Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

/a man can dream
 
2020-10-01 4:01:31 PM  
I'm interested in the theocratic state.

Does this mean I will be permitted to enter any business open on Sunday and murder all of their employees based on my deeply-held religious beliefs that those who work on the Sabbath must be put to death?

Sorry, NFL fans.
 
2020-10-01 4:02:03 PM  

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.


In all fairness, the Senate would have done this no matter what.

They would have literally blocked ANY judge accept a conservative.  No matter how long they had to stonewall, that was their plan.

That is why they didn't seat some 140 Federal judges that Obama appointed.

This is all squarely on the Senate.

However, I will give you this much...  They were waiting until a Rep President got in.  THAT you can blame on the never Hillaries.
 
2020-10-01 4:03:20 PM  
The important thing to take away from all this is that Hillary Clinton can not fail, she can only be failed.

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2020-10-01 4:04:15 PM  

eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.


The only actual constitutionally required rules for the USSC are:

1. It has to exist (it has to have more than zero judges)

2. There can only be one of them (it has to have jurisdiction over the entire US)

3. Judges have to be fired if they don't exhibit "good behavior"

4. Judges' pay cannot be reduced during their time in office

5. Judges are appointed by the President with the requirement of advice from and consent of the US Senate

That's it.  That's literally every single bit of what's required regarding how the supreme court is set up and operated, everything else is subject to congress defining it by law or procedure.

As originally defined in 1789 (again, by law and custom, not the constitution), the supreme court has six judges.  Increasing this number or adding term limits is something that's pretty easy to implement if one party controls both congress and the executive.

It'd also be a good idea and we should do it.  Among other things, diluting the influence of an individual judge's opinions on the law is basically required for our democracy to remain a democracy, Alito alone has almost caused us to cease being one at all in the literal sense of the definition of the word.

We should add explicit requirements that all nominees have actual judicial experience and receive a recommendation from their bar association, while we're at it.  And extend the second part to all federal judges, thanks.
 
2020-10-01 4:04:26 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Court packing is stupid.  Otherwise we'll end up with 99 justices over the next 20 years.

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.

Thank you very much Democrats for shoving Hillary and her stupid Scooby Van down everyone's throats.


Imagine still believing this bullshiat years later.
 
2020-10-01 4:05:17 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Court packing is stupid.  Otherwise we'll end up with 99 justices over the next 20 years.

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.

Thank you very much Democrats for shoving Hillary and her stupid Scooby Van down everyone's throats.


You mean primary voters, voting for who they like?   Yeah, how dare they.

On the other hand, she was the only one in the general election who could've beaten Trump.
 
2020-10-01 4:06:08 PM  

Animatronik: eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.

Yeah that's why I'm voting for Trump.

Basically, you can put a cavorting baboon farting through his cherry ass opposite Biden on the debate stage
- but when Biden basically admits he's going to pack the court, I'm voting for the baboon.
Done.


You were going to vote for the baboon anyway because you're an out and proud bigot who hates that people who don't match your in-group have opportunities to succeed.
 
2020-10-01 4:08:04 PM  
tl;dr:
1) Obamacare.
2) LGBTQ can be discriminated against by private businesses
3) LGBTQ can be discriminated against by the government
4) Cops currently are currently immune from prosecution EXCEPT in cases where they directly violate the Constitution, i.e. in this one where they beat the crap out of a black kid (and the wrong one at that.) The current justice really wants to overturn this law and we truly will have zero redress against dirty cops.
5) A combo of 3 & 4, the right for cops to discriminate against people for their religious affiliation. In this case, dirty cops placed a Muslim guy on the no-fly list because he couldn't become an informant against imaginary terrorists.
6) Cruel & unusual punishment. Turns out that cops aren't supposed to be able to dole out the death penalty as they see fit.
7) Investigating the president. They're not even pretending anymore.
8) The president can't create an agency headed by a single person, then relieve themselves of the power to fire said person. Weird loophole.

The fact that any of these are up for debate shows just how many of our freedoms never really existed.
 
2020-10-01 4:10:09 PM  

whidbey: TheGreatGazoo: Court packing is stupid.  Otherwise we'll end up with 99 justices over the next 20 years.

Albert911emt: Thank you very much, 'Never Hillary' voters, for our current state of affairs.

Thank you very much Democrats for shoving Hillary and her stupid Scooby Van down everyone's throats.

Imagine still believing this bullshiat years later.


Well, "believing" it, anyway. They post some dumb stuff in a thread to keep their "progressive" bona fides.
 
2020-10-01 4:10:21 PM  
she was the only one in the general election who could've beaten Trump.

ahahahahahahahaha

Hillary would have beaten ANYONE BUT TRUMP
Trump would have lost to ANYONE BUT HILLARY

Joe's got this in the bag, right? Proving what a spectacular failure Hillary is
 
2020-10-01 4:10:31 PM  
I see this is going to devolve into another "Blame liberals for what conservatives Democrats are responsible for" thread.
 
2020-10-01 4:10:54 PM  
Hillary haters should be made to push a pea with their nose down Pennsylvania Avenue.

You have absolutely no credibility and are just as deplorable as the voters she made reference to in 2016.

I will NEVER engage you in a discussion here.
 
2020-10-01 4:13:26 PM  
If oligarchs think of your rights as favors they permit you, then consider their time is limited.

These oligarchs need to move to China or Russia, they have no business in America. Leave now, GTFO and don't come back.

This is really no time to be chipping away at anyone's rights, doing so would be kicking a beehive of murderbees.

No threats, just psychic readings into the multiverse. There's many negative outcomes looming.

Only Aum Shinrikyo-minded Trump cultists would do something like ram through a contentious supreme court nominee at a time like this.

America needs de escalation and rest.

Less supreme court nominating more tax write offs for hospitality industries = happy citizens and Trump relaxing with a nice game of his cherished golf = less losing

Talk Trump into it.
The write offs for hospitality industries is his idea anyways. Trump loves to hear about himself.

Mitch McConnell has earned a vacation.
He's worked so hard, he can take the rest of the year off, full pay.
 
2020-10-01 4:13:48 PM  

Jim_Callahan: eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.

The only actual constitutionally required rules for the USSC are:

1. It has to exist (it has to have more than zero judges)

2. There can only be one of them (it has to have jurisdiction over the entire US)

3. Judges have to be fired if they don't exhibit "good behavior"

4. Judges' pay cannot be reduced during their time in office

5. Judges are appointed by the President with the requirement of advice from and consent of the US Senate

That's it.  That's literally every single bit of what's required regarding how the supreme court is set up and operated, everything else is subject to congress defining it by law or procedure.

As originally defined in 1789 (again, by law and custom, not the constitution), the supreme court has six judges.  Increasing this number or adding term limits is something that's pretty easy to implement if one party controls both congress and the executive.

It'd also be a good idea and we should do it.  Among other things, diluting the influence of an individual judge's opinions on the law is basically required for our democracy to remain a democracy, Alito alone has almost caused us to cease being one at all in the literal sense of the definition of the word.

We should add explicit requirements that all nominees have actual judicial experience and receive a recommendation from their bar association, while we're at it.  And extend the second part to all federal judges, thanks.


All article III says is good behavior, and nothing about lifetime appointment. Congress can simply pass a law with term limits and change the number of Justices.  Just for fun Congress could reduce the number of justices to 1 for a single day and then simply have the president name 8 new ones and bam new Court with 9. If Dems have Congress and the presidency they can forcibly retire all the Trumper and nutter justices.
 
2020-10-01 4:15:05 PM  
Man, you gotta love it when someone who doesn't know jack about the law just keeps mouthing on about it.  Worst part is this guy has a JD and clerked, so he should know better.  Here is just one example out of many of ridiculously wrong statements:

"Which brings us to the single most absurd aspect of Texas.
When a court strikes down part of a broader statute, it often needs to ask whether other parts of the law should fall along with it. This question, known as "severability," is a normally speculative inquiry - courts must ask what hypothetical law Congress would have enacted had it known that one provision was invalid.
But speculation is unnecessary here because the question has been answered. In 2017, Congress spent months debating whether to repeal the ACA and how much of the law should go. Ultimately, it had enough votes to repeal only one provision: the individual mandate.
So we already know what Congress would have done had it been aware the zeroed-out mandate would ultimately be struck down: It would have enacted legislation that eliminated the individual mandate but kept the rest of the law intact. We know this because Congress enacted legislation that eliminated the individual mandate but kept the rest of the law intact."


That sounds reasonable to a lay person.  Sure.

Except that is all horsefeathers.

You cannot ask what the 2013 Congress would have done about the law if it knew that "one provision was invalid," and answer that question by looking to the 2017 Congress.  They're completely different Congresses with different people in it.

Severability is a "complex" issue.  Which means it can be used however any court wants to come to the conclusion it wants.  However most judges shy away from using it to strike down an entire law.  And many laws sidestep the issue anyways with severability clauses that literally state that if one part of the law is unconstitutional the rest is still valid.  Interesting the dems did not put such a clause in there.
 
2020-10-01 4:15:09 PM  
Keep proving my point, haters.
 
2020-10-01 4:16:42 PM  

Weatherkiss: The important thing to take away from all this is that Hillary Clinton can not fail, she can only be failed.

[YouTube video: Hillary Clinton Iraq War Vote Speech]

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You forgot to include the speech she gave to fight against same-sex marriage because people being allowed to marry their loved ones was an affront to her religion.

To be fair, though, Clinton apparently forgot she gave that speech too once the SCOTUS ruled her husband's federal marriage ban unconstitutional.
 
2020-10-01 4:16:50 PM  
And another hater.

Keep trolling.
 
2020-10-01 4:16:57 PM  

whidbey: Keep proving my point, haters.


Lord have mercy, I'm on your side, but you're such a jerk about it.
 
2020-10-01 4:17:43 PM  

semiautomagic: whidbey: Keep proving my point, haters.

Lord have mercy, I'm on your side, but you're such a jerk about it.


No you aren't.   Otherwise you'd be defending my comments.

Go away if you're going to do this.
 
2020-10-01 4:18:13 PM  

whidbey: semiautomagic: whidbey: Keep proving my point, haters.

Lord have mercy, I'm on your side, but you're such a jerk about it.

No you aren't.   Otherwise you'd be defending my comments.

Go away if you're going to do this.


Ignore me if you don't like being addressed by me, kiddo.
 
2020-10-01 4:18:39 PM  
how dare people be mad at Hillary for *checks notes* losing the easiest election of our lifetimes
 
2020-10-01 4:19:31 PM  

semiautomagic: whidbey: semiautomagic: whidbey: Keep proving my point, haters.

Lord have mercy, I'm on your side, but you're such a jerk about it.

No you aren't.   Otherwise you'd be defending my comments.

Go away if you're going to do this.

Ignore me if you don't like being addressed by me, kiddo.


What's happening to you, has happened to me and I've seen it happen to others.
 
2020-10-01 4:19:48 PM  

Animatronik: eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.

Yeah that's why I'm voting for Trump.

Basically, you can put a cavorting baboon farting through his cherry ass opposite Biden on the debate stage
- but when Biden basically admits he's going to pack the court, I'm voting for the baboon.
Done.


You were always going to. No one cares.
 
2020-10-01 4:21:55 PM  

gunga galunga: eurotrader: Can wait to after Biden is elected to start the chorus of SCOTUS should have 15 Justices with term limits of 18 years.

As well as the impeachment of Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

/a man can dream


If the Dems ever get a 60 seat majority in the senate (big if) l want this to be discussed.
 
2020-10-01 4:21:59 PM  

whidbey: semiautomagic: whidbey: Keep proving my point, haters.

Lord have mercy, I'm on your side, but you're such a jerk about it.

No you aren't.   Otherwise you'd be defending my comments.

Go away if you're going to do this.


We can agree with your general premise while also acknowledging that you're being a caustic asshole about it all.  These are not mutual exclusive positions.
 
2020-10-01 4:22:27 PM  

Purple_Urkle: semiautomagic: whidbey: semiautomagic: whidbey: Keep proving my point, haters.

Lord have mercy, I'm on your side, but you're such a jerk about it.

No you aren't.   Otherwise you'd be defending my comments.

Go away if you're going to do this.

Ignore me if you don't like being addressed by me, kiddo.

What's happening to you, has happened to me and I've seen it happen to others.


Oh, I've seen it happen, and I am sure it will continue. Sometimes folk just need a find an offline hobby and chill.
 
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