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2020-10-01 9:54:38 AM  
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2020-10-01 10:12:06 AM  
I miss the EXTRA function and am kind of pissed it will no longer show program info
 
2020-10-01 10:12:16 AM  
Pay $400 for something that should be $2000, What do you want?
 
2020-10-01 10:30:42 AM  

B0redd: Pay $400 for something that should be $2000, What do you want?


My family learned this lesson last Christmas when my wife caved in and let the kids get an Oculus VR headset. I warned them that there is an extra price to pay for an item that is so inexpensive in comparison to other VR headsets.

I hate being right all the time when it comes to technology in my house. It usually means I was overruled and now I have to clean up the mess.
 
2020-10-01 10:38:13 AM  
I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.
 
2020-10-01 10:38:14 AM  
Sadly this will probably become the norm for every single TV, but at least for now the problem can be solved by not buying Samsung or anyone else who pulls this bullshiat.
 
2020-10-01 10:38:18 AM  
I'm hanging on to my older tech. My 40" TV is going to have to keep on keepin' on for a while.
 
2020-10-01 10:38:58 AM  

rummonkey: B0redd: Pay $400 for something that should be $2000, What do you want?

My family learned this lesson last Christmas when my wife caved in and let the kids get an Oculus VR headset. I warned them that there is an extra price to pay for an item that is so inexpensive in comparison to other VR headsets.

I hate being right all the time when it comes to technology in my house. It usually means I was overruled and now I have to clean up the mess.


I had the same problem with a Succubus VR headset.
 
2020-10-01 10:43:08 AM  
It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore smart TV features if you get a Roku, which (in my experience anyway) are excellent, lightning fast, and don't spy on you. Let me know if there's a better option, because I'm interested.
 
2020-10-01 10:48:17 AM  

B0redd: Pay $400 for something that should be $2000, What do you want?


Higher pay so I can afford a $2000 TV that doesn't throw ads in my face.
 
2020-10-01 10:50:34 AM  

HawgWild: I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.


kryptoknightmare: It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore smart TV features if you get a Roku, which (in my experience anyway) are excellent, lightning fast, and don't spy on you. Let me know if there's a better option, because I'm interested.


My LG smart TV isn't even connected to the wifi.  It has two jobs - pull in OTA broadcasts from the tuner, and switch to HDMI inputs from the AppleTV or BluRay as necessary.

/BluRay isn't connected most of the time because it keeps coming on and somehow seizing the screen.  We use it less and less as time goes on.
//Wish I could have a BluRay player that would just connect to the AppleTV and use its remote/interface instead of the clunky plastic box with rubber dome buttons
///Mostly just stream nowadays.
 
2020-10-01 10:51:22 AM  

kryptoknightmare: It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore smart TV features if you get a Roku, which (in my experience anyway) are excellent, lightning fast, and don't spy on you. Let me know if there's a better option, because I'm interested.


Yeah, I've made this argument in my home.    I'd rather have a dumb TV and a Roku than a "smart" TV that spies on me.  So I've got a Roku and a dumb TV.

If I were forced to get a smart TV because nothing else was available, I wouldn't allow it to connect to the Internet.  I'd still use the Roku.

In fact, I'm highly skeptical of the "Internet of Things".
 
2020-10-01 10:52:06 AM  
Purchased a Samsung SMART TV last year. I have never directly connected it to the internet as what the article discussed was already known.
 
2020-10-01 10:52:53 AM  
Who didn't know that Samsung TVs track you watching habits?  This news came out years ago.

I own a couple of Samsung TVs and don't let them anywhere near my wifi.  Also a Roku user.
 
2020-10-01 10:53:14 AM  
Just don't let it connect to the internet. Buy a Chromecast/Roku/Amazon thing/AppleTV/htpc.  Problem solved.
 
2020-10-01 11:06:52 AM  

HawgWild: I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.


Still think there's money to made in creating BigDumbCo. Just sell dead simple appliances that are well made, upgradeable, and serviceable, with software (kept to a minimum) that is OS and user-programmable. From washers that last long enough for several generations to use, to TVs that can function in modern entertainment systems but can easily be lobotomized and sandboxed at only the users' discretion.
 
2020-10-01 11:08:10 AM  

kryptoknightmare: It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore smart TV features if you get a Roku, which (in my experience anyway) are excellent, lightning fast, and don't spy on you. Let me know if there's a better option, because I'm interested.


"...the Roku laughed; I shot the Roku."
 
2020-10-01 11:18:20 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: HawgWild: I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.

Still think there's money to made in creating BigDumbCo. Just sell dead simple appliances that are well made, upgradeable, and serviceable, with software (kept to a minimum) that is OS and user-programmable. From washers that last long enough for several generations to use, to TVs that can function in modern entertainment systems but can easily be lobotomized and sandboxed at only the users' discretion.


Me and my 20 year old Maytag washer and our non-Samsung TVs agree with you.

// Farkers shouldn't let other Farkers buy Samsung, don't do it!
 
2020-10-01 11:22:28 AM  

kryptoknightmare: It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore smart TV features if you get a Roku, which (in my experience anyway) are excellent, lightning fast, and don't spy on you. Let me know if there's a better option, because I'm interested.


If you are streaming, as far as I have been able to see Roku is definitely the way to go. The box is small enough that you can velcro it to the back of your wall mount TV and the offerings are good enough that I am not lacking for content.
 
2020-10-01 11:33:40 AM  
I just bought a new tv and the non-smart options in the store were exactly 0.
 
2020-10-01 11:34:10 AM  
when I upgraded the living room tv and moved the old one to the bedroom I tried really hard to find one with the picture and sound I wanted at the right price that was NOT a "smart tv"
and couldn't find one.

so I do have a "smart tv" from Sony now...but it is not now, nor will it ever be connected to the internet or my home network.
 
2020-10-01 11:34:12 AM  
We have my 42" that was bought in 2015. I understand people who use streaming services and can see the convenience. For us having a passive television is the best option due not having any real fast internet service at our house. We are getting fiber service in a few months through our electric cooperative but we will likely still keep what we have due to the set being paid for.

My sister had an issue when Mom needed a new television for her house and I bought a regular set instead of a smart unit. She just knew an 83 yeay-old woman would love using all those streaming services. No matter how many times I explained mom could barely understand the DVR our sister believed mom would fall in to these ala-carte services with joy.

I believe there will always be a market for the bloatware free televisions. It will just take extra work to find them in the back of Wal-Mart or whatever other corporate retail establishment you prefer.
 
2020-10-01 11:43:55 AM  
I have my PC connected to a 4k TV that works just fine for YT, Netflix, email.
No reason to change it.
 
2020-10-01 11:48:15 AM  
My Sony TV started ok but the android TV is getting more invasive on the home screen. It is not smasung or LG bad.
 
2020-10-01 11:49:58 AM  
My samsung TV doesn't do that.

after reading in the license agreement (you do read your licenses don't you?)  THE EULA SAID IT WOULD BE SENDING SCREENSHOTS OF WHAT I WATCH TO SAMSUNG!

I gave it a hardwired connection for the 2 seconds I had to "activate" it. the unplugged it, nerfed the wifi settings, and it hasn't seen the internet since.
 
2020-10-01 11:54:26 AM  
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2020-10-01 11:55:08 AM  

dittybopper: kryptoknightmare: It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore smart TV features if you get a Roku, which (in my experience anyway) are excellent, lightning fast, and don't spy on you. Let me know if there's a better option, because I'm interested.

Yeah, I've made this argument in my home.    I'd rather have a dumb TV and a Roku than a "smart" TV that spies on me.  So I've got a Roku and a dumb TV.

If I were forced to get a smart TV because nothing else was available, I wouldn't allow it to connect to the Internet.  I'd still use the Roku.

In fact, I'm highly skeptical of the "Internet of Things".


That's the path I took when I had to replace my dumb TV, I bought a cheap smart TV and just never connected it to any networks. There are no insecure wifi networks in my area so it simply cannot go anywhere. I am sure at some point there will be TVs that point blank refuse to work unless you have a network connection.

I do quite a bit of IT security related work and the current practise of making every goddamn thing "smart" fills me with dread. Hot water heaters, farking teddy bears, fridges, doorbells, thermostats, surround receivers... none of that shiat needs a connection.
 
2020-10-01 11:59:41 AM  

whereisian: Just don't let it connect to the internet. Buy a Chromecast/Roku/Amazon thing/AppleTV/htpc.  Problem solved.


As if those things don't track or monitor your viewing habits.....
 
2020-10-01 12:14:43 PM  

HawgWild: I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.


Just don't connect it to the internet.  We have 2 that aren't, they work fine.
 
2020-10-01 12:18:20 PM  

Izunbacol: My LG smart TV isn't even connected to the wifi


Tchernobog: Just don't connect it to the internet.  We have 2 that aren't, they work fine.


I DON'T TRUST IT!
 
2020-10-01 12:27:46 PM  

HawgWild: Izunbacol: My LG smart TV isn't even connected to the wifi

Tchernobog: Just don't connect it to the internet.  We have 2 that aren't, they work fine.

I DON'T TRUST IT!


I don't either, but I needed a new TV (btw don't buy a Vizio TV.  Mine caught on fire. Actual fire, not like a capacitor melted and there was some smoke.  Flames and everything) and the only dumb TV's were bargain basement shiatboxes.  Anything halfway decent that I could find in stores around here was a smart TV.
 
2020-10-01 1:00:04 PM  
BALANCE.
When you treat life as a min/maxers game you basiaclly fook everything up by being a right dumb ass.


When there was a BALANCE trying to be reached, between the content, the ads that pay for it, and the audience that watches it. We did a whole lot better and felt a whole lot less, adversarial as the consumer/market relationship.

The tv gets programing that needs to itself be engaging and people want to watch it for it's own artistic and entertainment merits. And when the ad blocks are not too frequent and not too long. A decent % of them were simply watched. They even worked to be themselves engaging and entertaining at times.

Sure people could get up and walk off, and sure this was a good time for potty and snack breaks too.
But the history is, decades of ads that clearly worked just fine for retailers and product makers to get their ads seen.


But now that everyone is a "gamer" and we all treat real life like a fooking min/max game.
here we are, the ad side can't find satisfaction unless they get game mechanically promised to force people to see the ad. All the way to the situaiotn today that you pay your own money to be forced to watch their ads.
Like somehow they went from, pay for it like cable to avoid ads, to the new way of, pay us now to watch this fooking ad, and be god dam grateful for it or that tv would not be affordable for you, you stupid piece of shiat.

And the CORRECT reaction to that is to now put effort into explicitly avoiding and refusing to see your ads while we still take advantage of the entertainment/art as much as we can anyway.


I didn't make it be this kind of manipulative adversarial fookfest, but i sure as hell don't throw a game either, so be it, this is what was asked for so this is how we treat each other.

The market is ADVERSARIAL, that's why it can;t substitute for a civilization, as civilization is intrinsically a cooperative relationship between the people of the civilization, not an adversarial one.
 
2020-10-01 1:35:12 PM  

HawgWild: I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.


Just don't connect it to your network.  Poof !  Dumb TV
 
2020-10-01 1:36:45 PM  
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https://pi-hole.net/

You're welcome
 
2020-10-01 2:11:13 PM  

labman: HawgWild: I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.

Just don't connect it to your network.  Poof !  Dumb TV


You can't configure it w/o logging in, and the auto wifi configure just finds its way out through your nieghbors unsecured wap if need be.
 
2020-10-01 3:15:13 PM  

Tax Boy: [Fark user image image 225x225]

https://pi-hole.net/

You're welcome


I have this on my pfSense box but still not sure it's working right.
 
2020-10-01 6:25:17 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: labman: HawgWild: I still have the dumb TV I bought in 2008. It's only 1080p, so I've been wanting to upgrade for a while. Problem is, all TVs are frickin' "smart" now, and that's just insane.

Guess I'm gonna have to get a computer monitor or something.

Just don't connect it to your network.  Poof !  Dumb TV

You can't configure it w/o logging in, and the auto wifi configure just finds its way out through your nieghbors unsecured wap if need be.


Thats why God made tinfoil...
 
2020-10-01 6:32:53 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Tax Boy: [Fark user image image 225x225]

https://pi-hole.net/

You're welcome

I have this on my pfSense box but still not sure it's working right.


So long as your pi hole as the DNS server it should be pretty obvious. If you can't tell in the web in general from browsing...

Did you check the pi hole admin console?I have flutter hole set up so I can view stats and manage my pi hole from my phone.

Why do you suspect it isn't don't anything?
 
2020-10-01 11:54:57 PM  

Quantumbunny: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Tax Boy:

..pi hole..  ..pi hole.. ..flutter hole.. ..pi hole..



Man, that's a lot of holes...
 
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