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(Ars Technica)   SpaceX offering satellite internet to emergency services in heavily overcast areas   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2020-09-30 1:27:44 PM  
Waiting...waiting....

My family farm is in a rural area with zero cell signal, no cable or data service, and just barely a crackly landline. The landline provider (AT&T) is fervently maneuvering to eliminate landline service, but the government is (currently) blocking those plans. Without that, there would be no connection to the outside world at all.

Starlink could provide a real connection. I'd seriously consider moving there if there were even mildly decent broadband, allowing us to work and attend school remotely. Even if we didn't move there, we could install a security system to help stave off the headache of assholes breaking in 2-3 times/year. There's nothing if value, but it's always a mess.
 
2020-09-30 1:38:42 PM  
60 Mbps down and 30 ms latency? I think a lot of people in the hinterlands would like that. Wonder what it's going to cost?
 
2020-09-30 1:51:33 PM  

beezeltown: Waiting...waiting....

My family farm is in a rural area with zero cell signal, no cable or data service, and just barely a crackly landline. The landline provider (AT&T) is fervently maneuvering to eliminate landline service, but the government is (currently) blocking those plans. Without that, there would be no connection to the outside world at all.

Starlink could provide a real connection. I'd seriously consider moving there if there were even mildly decent broadband, allowing us to work and attend school remotely. Even if we didn't move there, we could install a security system to help stave off the headache of assholes breaking in 2-3 times/year. There's nothing if value, but it's always a mess.


https://www.starlink.com/
They might be able to hook you up now
 
2020-09-30 2:03:52 PM  

IgG4: 60 Mbps down and 30 ms latency? I think a lot of people in the hinterlands would like that. Wonder what it's going to cost?


Around 80 bucks, last I heard.   Wireless Broadband down here costs around $80 to $100 per month, so that's in the ballpark for internet access when you live behind God's ass.

If this is good even in cloud cover then he can expect a big military contract, if not one from various world governments.  I wonder how he'd deal with the possibility of competing nations wanting access to the same system.
 
2020-09-30 2:09:51 PM  
Subby....You might want to do some basic research into what starlink is actually capable of before sounding like a complete idiot in your headline

Fun fact: starlink uses multiple spectrums to counteract the rain fade the V band faces by having the K and Ku bands, which trade off slight latency increases for functioning in cloudy weather

More fun fact: the people who made those little sats are probably smarter than you will ever hope to be, seeing as how they managed to secure military contracts which would likely require them to work in literally all weather (except hurricanes probably, but they could work in those too)

Triple whammy: as someone who is well known here for hating the muskox, at least have reasonable reasons to try and take a shot, instead of using utter bullshiat like that. It makes you look pathetic
 
2020-09-30 2:15:33 PM  

beezeltown: Waiting...waiting....

My family farm is in a rural area with zero cell signal, no cable or data service, and just barely a crackly landline. The landline provider (AT&T) is fervently maneuvering to eliminate landline service, but the government is (currently) blocking those plans. Without that, there would be no connection to the outside world at all.

Starlink could provide a real connection. I'd seriously consider moving there if there were even mildly decent broadband, allowing us to work and attend school remotely. Even if we didn't move there, we could install a security system to help stave off the headache of assholes breaking in 2-3 times/year. There's nothing if value, but it's always a mess.



Are they breaking in to steal ammonia so they can make meth, or just bored kids vandalizing the place, or what?
 
2020-09-30 2:34:16 PM  

lifeslammer: Subby....You might want to do some basic research into what starlink is actually capable of before sounding like a complete idiot in your headline

Fun fact: starlink uses multiple spectrums to counteract the rain fade the V band faces by having the K and Ku bands, which trade off slight latency increases for functioning in cloudy weather

More fun fact: the people who made those little sats are probably smarter than you will ever hope to be, seeing as how they managed to secure military contracts which would likely require them to work in literally all weather (except hurricanes probably, but they could work in those too)

Triple whammy: as someone who is well known here for hating the muskox, at least have reasonable reasons to try and take a shot, instead of using utter bullshiat like that. It makes you look pathetic


Fun fact: Many of these emergency services are in wildfire areas with ground-level soot clouds in every single direction.  "Cell on wheels" backhaul towers upwind paired with aircards might be more reliable.

2nd fun fact: 2020 is not a smart year to run around with an unchecked anger management problem.  Nobody on fark even has to do anything about that.  We just wait for the headline and shrug our shoulders.
 
2020-09-30 3:05:12 PM  
Let's see how fast someone is called "pedo guy". Two weeks?
 
2020-09-30 3:31:12 PM  
My hope is that Starlink allows me to stay in touch with my wife when I go off backpacking by myself. She doesn't really like it when I do that but a tracking app and periodic messages would probably ease her mind.
 
2020-09-30 4:49:48 PM  

thehellisthis: lifeslammer: Subby....You might want to do some basic research into what starlink is actually capable of before sounding like a complete idiot in your headline

Fun fact: starlink uses multiple spectrums to counteract the rain fade the V band faces by having the K and Ku bands, which trade off slight latency increases for functioning in cloudy weather

More fun fact: the people who made those little sats are probably smarter than you will ever hope to be, seeing as how they managed to secure military contracts which would likely require them to work in literally all weather (except hurricanes probably, but they could work in those too)

Triple whammy: as someone who is well known here for hating the muskox, at least have reasonable reasons to try and take a shot, instead of using utter bullshiat like that. It makes you look pathetic

Fun fact: Many of these emergency services are in wildfire areas with ground-level soot clouds in every single direction.  "Cell on wheels" backhaul towers upwind paired with aircards might be more reliable.

2nd fun fact: 2020 is not a smart year to run around with an unchecked anger management problem.  Nobody on fark even has to do anything about that.  We just wait for the headline and shrug our shoulders.


Agreed.  I intended to post an observation that Subby's "in heavily overcast areas" might well have been a snarky reference to smoke from the fires, and not a comment on the satellite technology used by Starlink.

lifeslammer may well want to consider the idea of cooling his jets.  I know that's advice I would have done well to heed, myself, many times.

(Lifeslammer - By the way, thanks for the comments about Starlink using multiple spectrums to counteract rain fade.  I did not know that.  Sounds cool!)

In any case, can we all agree that having Starlink available to make the firefighters' jobs - and the fire victims' lives - just a little bit easier is a good thing?

People dump on Musk quite frequently, and Lord knows, he often works hard to earn it.  Me, I'm happy that we can actually have good things in this world that are produced by imperfect people, because, in the end, imperfect people are all we have to work with.
 
2020-09-30 6:35:49 PM  
I've asked for four of these for the next fire season. Two for the Incident Command Post, two for base/spike camps. I suspect Verizon will also provide these along with their Cell On Wheels package for areas with no cell towers, similar to their current satellite packages.   A huge advantage of these is that they don't need to be pointed in a specific direction (18.5 degrees SE or whatever), they just point straight up. That means obstructions like mountains, trees and buildings won't be a problem.

For satellite internet service on a wildfire, the going rate is $4500 a day for a single KA band dish, $700 additional for an on-site tech.   On the July Complex in California, a company charged over $172k for 10 days of internet for the multiple Type 1 teams there.  This, along with the Bezos' Kuiper project, will make the companies that provide internet/cell service much more competitive and I'm okay with that.
 
2020-09-30 7:16:44 PM  

FrancoFile: beezeltown: Waiting...waiting....

My family farm is in a rural area with zero cell signal, no cable or data service, and just barely a crackly landline. The landline provider (AT&T) is fervently maneuvering to eliminate landline service, but the government is (currently) blocking those plans. Without that, there would be no connection to the outside world at all.

Starlink could provide a real connection. I'd seriously consider moving there if there were even mildly decent broadband, allowing us to work and attend school remotely. Even if we didn't move there, we could install a security system to help stave off the headache of assholes breaking in 2-3 times/year. There's nothing if value, but it's always a mess.


Are they breaking in to steal ammonia so they can make meth, or just bored kids vandalizing the place, or what?


Probably a mix of bored kids and junkies looking for anything to sell. Last time they took a stack of Good Housekeeping magazines my mom left there...somebody was bored to the point of desperation to do that.

The neighbor caught the local metal thieves trying to steal the gas line from the big LP tank a few years ago. Wasn't worth much but the damage was costly. Also they could have blown the place up. The neighbor held them at gun point until the sheriff came. They were linked to several other metal thefts; got 3 years each.
 
2020-09-30 7:55:12 PM  

CordycepsInYourBrain: My hope is that Starlink allows me to stay in touch with my wife when I go off backpacking by myself. She doesn't really like it when I do that but a tracking app and periodic messages would probably ease her mind.


Starlink is too big for a backpack. You might want something like this:
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$400.  https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/56​12​86/pn/010-01735-00
 
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