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2020-09-28 7:48:38 PM  

Dumski: From all known data this is respiratory transmitted virus. Whether it is transmitted via food is still not known. Also China isn't exactly reliable or forthcoming with its data. For now, the goal is to prevent the virus through the mask, 6ft, hand washing, screening etc., otherwise we are truly farked for the next couple of years. Thanks to the Dump administration America is losing the battle.


More precisely, it's transmitted by DROPLETS.

Inhale a droplet, get covid.

Put your finger where a covid-loaded droplet landed and touch your nose, get covid.

Put your finger where a covid-loaded droplet landed and touch your eye, get covid.

Lick any surface - including food - where the droplet landed, get covid.

HVAC successfully suspends droplet until it evaporates and you have an aerosolized virus? And then that aerosolized virus goes into your lung, nose, eye, food you eat? Get covid.

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Yeah there are surface contact situations to be wary about covid (elevator buttons, doorknobs, etc). But I always remember the infamous office building in South Korea from the first days of the nightmare: By the time they shut the building down, 2/3 of all the people in the shared-air phone bank on one floor had it... As did 10% of people in the partitioned areas next to them, and I think 3 or 4 other people in the whole building, which was traced to the contaminated elevator button.

It's inhaled droplets... everything else is a minor perturbation.

All we need is to just wear our masks, most especially when inside, and it's screwed because they take away nearly all its opportunities to spread by stopping the droplets from leaving. And 30% of American society is just too malignantly ignant to perform this most basic act of public health.
 
2020-09-28 7:50:43 PM  

Harlee: Windex? am not aware of any disinfection properties of Windex.


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2020-09-28 7:53:01 PM  
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2020-09-28 7:56:22 PM  

berylman: I've got the Rona and yes I am safely in quarantine at home alone. It's described as a respiratory virus but because it has the ability to attach to the ACE-2 has has uncanny ability to infect pretty much every organ in your body. Once it's in it's in. Barbarians through the gate. The worst effects for me have been gastrointestinal
Well...at least I can still breathe and type


Good luck, laddie.
 
2020-09-28 7:58:07 PM  

Harlee: Ker_Thwap: Viruses can live a long long time when frozen, this is known.  I've been Windexing my containers of ice cream before freezing them, in the event someone in the supply chain sneezes on the container.  I've given less thought to the actual contents, assuming the NH and VT dairy manufacturers aren't sneezing directly in the product.

I'm eating Frisky Cow Chocolate Gelato as I type, I'll check in later to let you know if I live.

Windex? am not aware of any disinfection properties of Windex.

But - starting back in February - the packaging of every single item that I buy at the store gets every surface and crevice wiped down with disinfecting wipes. Items where this is not possible get quarantined in a bag for at least 72 hours (the time it takes for the Covid-19 virus protective outer sheath to degrade, thus exposing the inner RNA to the environment). All this, unfortunately, means that fresh foods are out,* as well as some packaged food that only has thin cardboard or paper packaging, with no inner plastic wrapper.

Also, since February we have forgone eating out. Because we have no way of knowing of the minimum wage, no PTO, no medical benefits serfs who prepare the food are ill, properly wear face coverings, or even bother to wash their hands.

We've been doing this for eight months now and, interestingly, the incidence of upset stomach and diarrhea for both of us has gone way down. Conclusions: (1) a significant percentage of American food preparers and shoppers and filthy slobs, and (2) our food packaging are, generally, Petri dishes.

Mrs' Harlee and I agree that package wipedown is one habit we will continue, even if/when this damn thing ever ends. And eating out? We'll see. Probably not. Another habit that we've lost (and really don't miss).

* I farking MISS fresh banana on a bowl of cereal. But I recently discovered that freeze-dried banana chips are delicious when re-hydrated with milk. And Dollar Tree has huge bags of them for a buck (which is a ...


https://www.windex.com/en-us/products​/​disinfectant-cleaner-multi-surface The yellow stuff, not the blue stuff.  In hindsight, typing out the full name of the product would have saved me time from coming back here.
 
2020-09-28 7:59:43 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: Joe USer: If you like to rub raw food on your face (I'm not going to judge you), you should avoid doing it during the pandemic.

Properly cooking your food will kill most pathogens, including COVID. So for now, only rub properly cooked food on your face (after cooling, of course).

Lost of food is eaten raw or cold. Take out is usually not reheated.

I think "the jury is still out" on whether you can get covid from food.

Taking prilosec doubles your odds of getting covid, but it only effects the digestive system.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medic​al/this-over-the-counter-drug-might-do​uble-your-covid-19-risk/ar-BB16xjZj


You should not be eat food that is the wrong temperature. Period. Even without c19.
Hot food should be hot.
140F.
Food safety is your friend.
And not obeying it kills people daily. And that is without c19. Period.
Most food safety deaths go unnoticed, misdiagnosed, trucked off as grandma was old.
If you cook/serve food you've killed people, even without c19.

/
Been cooking all vegetables since January. Washing all fruit.
Been trying to eat only what I personally heat to at least 140.
Wash hands between handling of all food. Wash all surfaces. Avoid cross-contamination. Don't touch your face before after daring cooking and or eating.
Use your utensils

I've been saying the above since at least March if not February
 
2020-09-28 8:00:33 PM  

Harlee: Ker_Thwap: Viruses can live a long long time when frozen, this is known.  I've been Windexing my containers of ice cream before freezing them, in the event someone in the supply chain sneezes on the container.  I've given less thought to the actual contents, assuming the NH and VT dairy manufacturers aren't sneezing directly in the product.

I'm eating Frisky Cow Chocolate Gelato as I type, I'll check in later to let you know if I live.

Windex? am not aware of any disinfection properties of Windex.

But - starting back in February - the packaging of every single item that I buy at the store gets every surface and crevice wiped down with disinfecting wipes. Items where this is not possible get quarantined in a bag for at least 72 hours (the time it takes for the Covid-19 virus protective outer sheath to degrade, thus exposing the inner RNA to the environment). All this, unfortunately, means that fresh foods are out,* as well as some packaged food that only has thin cardboard or paper packaging, with no inner plastic wrapper.

Also, since February we have forgone eating out. Because we have no way of knowing of the minimum wage, no PTO, no medical benefits serfs who prepare the food are ill, properly wear face coverings, or even bother to wash their hands.

We've been doing this for eight months now and, interestingly, the incidence of upset stomach and diarrhea for both of us has gone way down. Conclusions: (1) a significant percentage of American food preparers and shoppers and filthy slobs, and (2) our food packaging are, generally, Petri dishes.

Mrs' Harlee and I agree that package wipedown is one habit we will continue, even if/when this damn thing ever ends. And eating out? We'll see. Probably not. Another habit that we've lost (and really don't miss).

* I farking MISS fresh banana on a bowl of cereal. But I recently discovered that freeze-dried banana chips are delicious when re-hydrated with milk. And Dollar Tree has huge bags of them for a buck (which is a ...


You're scared to eat a banana because of covid?
 
2020-09-28 8:01:21 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: Purple_Urkle: Fish can get it?
The ocean is farked!

no but fisherman can cough on fish and then seal them up in plastic bags freeze them, and sell them ... (to you)


Maybe we should start wearing gloves and goggles when dealing with raw meat and cook them thoroughly but why do that food safety is a joke in America literally everybody laughs about it enjoy dying people
 
2020-09-28 8:01:28 PM  
Percise1:
Do you have any idea where you might have picked it up from?

Absolutely no idea, I've been taking every precaution since Feb. I'ts not like I go to super spreader events. It's kind of ironic that someone who is basically a super-cautious hermit gets this virus, but yeah it still happens
 
2020-09-28 8:10:51 PM  

Harlee: Ker_Thwap: Viruses can live a long long time when frozen, this is known.  I've been Windexing my containers of ice cream before freezing them, in the event someone in the supply chain sneezes on the container.  I've given less thought to the actual contents, assuming the NH and VT dairy manufacturers aren't sneezing directly in the product.

I'm eating Frisky Cow Chocolate Gelato as I type, I'll check in later to let you know if I live.

Windex? am not aware of any disinfection properties of Windex.

But - starting back in February - the packaging of every single item that I buy at the store gets every surface and crevice wiped down with disinfecting wipes. Items where this is not possible get quarantined in a bag for at least 72 hours (the time it takes for the Covid-19 virus protective outer sheath to degrade, thus exposing the inner RNA to the environment). All this, unfortunately, means that fresh foods are out,* as well as some packaged food that only has thin cardboard or paper packaging, with no inner plastic wrapper.

Also, since February we have forgone eating out. Because we have no way of knowing of the minimum wage, no PTO, no medical benefits serfs who prepare the food are ill, properly wear face coverings, or even bother to wash their hands.

We've been doing this for eight months now and, interestingly, the incidence of upset stomach and diarrhea for both of us has gone way down. Conclusions: (1) a significant percentage of American food preparers and shoppers and filthy slobs, and (2) our food packaging are, generally, Petri dishes.

Mrs' Harlee and I agree that package wipedown is one habit we will continue, even if/when this damn thing ever ends. And eating out? We'll see. Probably not. Another habit that we've lost (and really don't miss).

* I farking MISS fresh banana on a bowl of cereal. But I recently discovered that freeze-dried banana chips are delicious when re-hydrated with milk. And Dollar Tree has huge bags of them for a buck (which is a ...


What's wrong with fresh bananas? The skin protects them from any incidental contamination. My wife and I have been eating supermarket bananas on our breakfast porridge since all of this started. We're both canaries (age and heart problems).
As for eating out? Find somewhere with an outdoor section. And don't do it too often.
 
2020-09-28 8:14:57 PM  

waxbeans: brainlordmesomorph: Purple_Urkle: Fish can get it?
The ocean is farked!

no but fisherman can cough on fish and then seal them up in plastic bags freeze them, and sell them ... (to you)

Maybe we should start wearing gloves and goggles when dealing with raw meat and cook them thoroughly but why do that food safety is a joke in America literally everybody laughs about it enjoy dying people


One of the first symptoms of Covid is the loss of punctuation.
If I were you (which, thank the Lord, I'm not, Sir) I'd seek help, before you end up in a medically induced comma.
 
2020-09-28 8:16:03 PM  

Tillmaster: waxbeans: brainlordmesomorph: Purple_Urkle: Fish can get it?
The ocean is farked!

no but fisherman can cough on fish and then seal them up in plastic bags freeze them, and sell them ... (to you)

Maybe we should start wearing gloves and goggles when dealing with raw meat and cook them thoroughly but why do that food safety is a joke in America literally everybody laughs about it enjoy dying people

One of the first symptoms of Covid is the loss of punctuation.
If I were you (which, thank the Lord, I'm not, Sir) I'd seek help, before you end up in a medically induced comma.


I use voice to text

Also unless I'm running a paragraph I could care less about punctuation


Also I just don't care


As soon as we start knowing the littlest of c19 I assumed I wasn't going to see 2021
 
2020-09-28 8:30:32 PM  

Todd300: brainlordmesomorph: Todd300: How far we've come when Chinese speculation is usually more cause for action than FDA or CDC recommendations because we can no longer actually tell when the administration is running interference.

This is a dangerous game and I'm afraid the US is winning stupid prizes.

De'governor of my state has ordered all de'bars  and de'restaurants (and  de'strip clubs!) reopened at full capacity.  and removed all criminal penalties for mask ordinances.

It's not far from this, just need the PSAs

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Kris straub rules
 
2020-09-28 8:32:57 PM  

Daedalus27: Todd300: brainlordmesomorph: Todd300: How far we've come when Chinese speculation is usually more cause for action than FDA or CDC recommendations because we can no longer actually tell when the administration is running interference.

This is a dangerous game and I'm afraid the US is winning stupid prizes.

De'governor of my state has ordered all de'bars  and de'restaurants (and  de'strip clubs!) reopened at full capacity.  and removed all criminal penalties for mask ordinances.

It's not far from this, just need the PSAs

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Good old Local 58, wish there was more content.

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I asked Strab at PAX East and had said he plans to produce more someday.
 
2020-09-28 8:47:38 PM  

Joe USer: If you like to rub raw food on your face (I'm not going to judge you), you should avoid doing it during the pandemic.

Properly cooking your food will kill most pathogens, including COVID. So for now, only rub properly cooked food on your face (after cooling, of course).


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2020-09-28 8:59:25 PM  

farkdd: Of course it can be on packaging, if the delivery person working indoors with their mask around their chin touched, breathed near, or coughed on your package.

We've been spraying or wiping down containers of groceries (delivered or curbside pickup), and throwing away food delivery containers (like pizza boxes) and reheating the contents. And of course you've all been washing your fruit and veggies even before COVID, right?

Yeah, it's a bit of a pain but worth it to us.


I get sick of doing so but yes I would likely get more sick from not doing so.

Quick question, say for non-perishables that you don't plan to use immediately, how long do you store them out of the way before you figure the 'rona has broken down or completely disintegrated?
 
2020-09-28 9:47:02 PM  

Ker_Thwap: https://www.windex.com/en-us/products​/​disinfectant-cleaner-multi-surface The yellow stuff, not the blue stuff. In hindsight, typing out the full name of the product would have saved me time from coming back here.


Good to know. Thanks.
 
2020-09-28 10:14:28 PM  

rhiannon: Harlee: Ker_Thwap: Viruses can live a long long time when frozen, this is known.  I've been Windexing my containers of ice cream before freezing them, in the event someone in the supply chain sneezes on the container.  I've given less thought to the actual contents, assuming the NH and VT dairy manufacturers aren't sneezing directly in the product.

I'm eating Frisky Cow Chocolate Gelato as I type, I'll check in later to let you know if I live.

Windex? am not aware of any disinfection properties of Windex.

But - starting back in February - the packaging of every single item that I buy at the store gets every surface and crevice wiped down with disinfecting wipes. Items where this is not possible get quarantined in a bag for at least 72 hours (the time it takes for the Covid-19 virus protective outer sheath to degrade, thus exposing the inner RNA to the environment). All this, unfortunately, means that fresh foods are out,* as well as some packaged food that only has thin cardboard or paper packaging, with no inner plastic wrapper.

Also, since February we have forgone eating out. Because we have no way of knowing of the minimum wage, no PTO, no medical benefits serfs who prepare the food are ill, properly wear face coverings, or even bother to wash their hands.

We've been doing this for eight months now and, interestingly, the incidence of upset stomach and diarrhea for both of us has gone way down. Conclusions: (1) a significant percentage of American food preparers and shoppers and filthy slobs, and (2) our food packaging are, generally, Petri dishes.

Mrs' Harlee and I agree that package wipedown is one habit we will continue, even if/when this damn thing ever ends. And eating out? We'll see. Probably not. Another habit that we've lost (and really don't miss).


* I farking MISS fresh banana on a bowl of cereal. But I recently discovered that freeze-dried banana chips are delicious when re-hydrated with milk. And Dollar Tree has huge bags of them for a buck (which is a ...

You're scared to eat a banana because of covid? ...


Well, consider the facts:

1) Bananas are soft skinned fruit with LOTS of surface area, and blemishes which (if you look real close) have all sorts of nooks and crannies on the skin surface (remember, what seems tiny to you is the size of a farking planet to a virus).

2) With most diseases, infection is largely a matter of "contagion load" (imagine how D-Day would have turned out with only 10,000 invading troops hitting the beaches). I assume (and some research suggests I am right) that Covid-19 is similar.

3) Observe your fellow shoppers (and their children) in the produce aisles. Everything gets handled. Do you know where those hands have been? Come to think of it, do you know where the hands of the produce clerks have been? Have you SEEN a supermarket bathroom?

4) Washing fruits and vegetables is problematic, at best. First, there are (again) lots of nooks and crannies, That is a huge amount of real estate to a virus. Second, any surfactant-based cleaner (you need the surfactant to rip apart the viral sheath that protects the viral RNA on the inside) is (a) going to taste like ka-ka unless you rinse off all of it, and (b) is not exactly healthy for you. Third, don;t even think of using disinfecting wipes (might as well rinse your mouth with bleach, then).

5) Remember who is picking the produce and the vegetables. Few of the pickers have PTO or health insurance, and all of them are minimum wage or worse. They will work even if coughing their lungs out. The viral load on any produce item could be immense.

6) Finally, you have no idea what or how the vendors of those fruits and vegetables have done to them to try and insure that they are virus free. Basically, what it all comes down to is that the provenance (the origin and history) of fresh fruits and vegetables is a tad too loosey-goosey for my liking, as compared to other options.

So it's much easier and probably much safer to go with canned, frozen, or freeze dried. Plus, they store longer. Disinfect the package, and (if possible) cook the contents. (Freeze dried, as with banana chips, might be taking a risk. But since drying takes time, it is probably safe to assume that the drying and the elapsed time are sufficient to degrade the viral sheath.)

But you can do what you want. In fact, you should be a real MAGAmacho tough guy and just eat grapes fresh off the sales rack right after a five year old has sneezed on them. Yum.
 
2020-09-28 10:23:11 PM  

Tillmaster: What's wrong with fresh bananas? The skin protects them from any incidental contamination. My wife and I have been eating supermarket bananas on our breakfast porridge since all of this started. We're both canaries (age and heart problems).
As for eating out? Find somewhere with an outdoor section. And don't do it too often.


See my post just above about bananas, and produce in general.

As for eating out: are the cooks wearing masks? Wearing them properly, or with their noses sticking out and directing a focus stream of exhalations onto the food they are making for you? Are they wearing gloves? If not, when did they last wash their hands? When did they last touch their face? Are they minimum wage, DON'T have PTO, and DON'T have medical insurance? If all three filters are "yes" then they probably have to work even if they are at death's door. Now do the same analysis for your servers, but add in the following: How many tables have they served? Were the people at those tables wearing masks? Observe the other diners; do they look like they might be risk takers?

Good luck!
 
2020-09-29 1:19:12 AM  

Harlee: As for eating out: are the cooks wearing masks? Wearing them properly, or with their noses sticking out and directing a focus stream of exhalations onto the food they are making for you? Are they wearing gloves? If not, when did they last wash their hands? When did they last touch their face? Are they minimum wage, DON'T have PTO, and DON'T have medical insurance? If all three filters are "yes" then they probably have to work even if they are at death's door. Now do the same analysis for your servers, but add in the following: How many tables have they served? Were the people at those tables wearing masks? Observe the other diners; do they look like they might be risk takers?


Are the cooks dripping sweat while plating your food and it already started to cool down? Kitchens are pretty damn warm.
When did the person grabbing the plates last wash their hands?
What about the person who put the cutlery on the table?
And I bet the drink cups were all sitting out in the open before they grabbed one for you as well.
 
2020-09-29 2:46:50 AM  

angryjd: Looks like my homemade bat soup is going back into the freezer.


Save it for socially distanced holloween treat.
 
2020-09-29 7:09:04 AM  

Excelsior: Harlee: As for eating out: are the cooks wearing masks? Wearing them properly, or with their noses sticking out and directing a focus stream of exhalations onto the food they are making for you? Are they wearing gloves? If not, when did they last wash their hands? When did they last touch their face? Are they minimum wage, DON'T have PTO, and DON'T have medical insurance? If all three filters are "yes" then they probably have to work even if they are at death's door. Now do the same analysis for your servers, but add in the following: How many tables have they served? Were the people at those tables wearing masks? Observe the other diners; do they look like they might be risk takers?

Are the cooks dripping sweat while plating your food and it already started to cool down? Kitchens are pretty damn warm.
When did the person grabbing the plates last wash their hands?
What about the person who put the cutlery on the table?
And I bet the drink cups were all sitting out in the open before they grabbed one for you as well.


Thanks. I forgot about those.
 
2020-09-29 8:47:26 AM  
Ohhhhh! They're changing what they said again! My notepad doc is running out of room
 
2020-09-29 8:56:55 AM  

CaptainFatass: farkdd: Of course it can be on packaging, if the delivery person working indoors with their mask around their chin touched, breathed near, or coughed on your package.

We've been spraying or wiping down containers of groceries (delivered or curbside pickup), and throwing away food delivery containers (like pizza boxes) and reheating the contents. And of course you've all been washing your fruit and veggies even before COVID, right?

Yeah, it's a bit of a pain but worth it to us.

I get sick of doing so but yes I would likely get more sick from not doing so.

Quick question, say for non-perishables that you don't plan to use immediately, how long do you store them out of the way before you figure the 'rona has broken down or completely disintegrated?


For Amazon packages, mail, canned goods, non-perishable groceries that can't easily be wiped down or sprayed, I'd say about 3-4 days is probably safe. (There were studies early on that the virus survived about <1 day on paper/cardboard, and about 3 on plastic or metal.)
 
2020-09-29 12:12:34 PM  
Unless you're breathing in through your mouth, your body has some pretty good defenses on the airways. When you're eating, your mouth is connected to an acid bath.

So, don't literally inhale your food.

I guarantee that we'll eventually find out that COVID is primarily caught through eye contact. Either from hands or droplets.
 
2020-09-29 12:23:15 PM  

Joe USer: Unless you're breathing in through your mouth, your body has some pretty good defenses on the airways. When you're eating, your mouth is connected to an acid bath.

So, don't literally inhale your food.

I guarantee that we'll eventually find out that COVID is primarily caught through eye contact. Either from hands or droplets.


*looks suspiciously, avoiding direct eye contact*

Yes, our bodies have good defenses in our airways, but viruses like these evolve to target mammals (with varying degrees of success and breadth of targets).  The ACE2 receptor that SARS-CoV-2 targets is particularly common in our airways.
 
2020-09-29 12:31:46 PM  

Dork Gently: Joe USer: Unless you're breathing in through your mouth, your body has some pretty good defenses on the airways. When you're eating, your mouth is connected to an acid bath.

So, don't literally inhale your food.

I guarantee that we'll eventually find out that COVID is primarily caught through eye contact. Either from hands or droplets.

*looks suspiciously, avoiding direct eye contact*

Yes, our bodies have good defenses in our airways, but viruses like these evolve to target mammals (with varying degrees of success and breadth of targets).  The ACE2 receptor that SARS-CoV-2 targets is particularly common in our airways.


Hand to eye contact, read the context. Unless you're part of The Three Stooges... I mean coughing and droplets landing on your eyes, or droplets on your hands being rubbed into your eyes.

The nose is filled with things to trap and expel viruses. Lots of hairs, lots of mucus.  Eyes, not nearly as much.
 
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