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2020-09-28 1:50:31 PM  
"Oh, patient bills? No, they're fine; we back those crown jewels up six ways from Sunday."
 
2020-09-28 1:52:47 PM  
Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.
 
2020-09-28 1:55:06 PM  

Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.



Ok, I read the article and there's this caption: A sign outside the headquarters of Universal Health Services, Inc., in King of Prussia, Pa.
 
2020-09-28 1:57:26 PM  
With the amount these hospitals are charging people, you would think they could get some basic internet security...
 
2020-09-28 2:05:05 PM  
"Apparently, the NHS was being run on Windows XP. That means some people were being told they had cancer by a helpful paperclip." -- Frankie Boyle
 
2020-09-28 2:22:49 PM  
That sounds like justification for a wetworks team. Kill the perps in a particularly gruesome fashion and let it be known that anyone else attacking vital infrastructure in the US will be dealt with in a similar manner.
 
2020-09-28 2:23:13 PM  
In fact, that is exactly what we need in the US, anyway.

It simple:   if you live here, you get health care.  Show your card and in you go.   No paperwork, no nothing.   They can bill the federal government later.   But no, this is why we can't have nice things.
 
2020-09-28 2:24:23 PM  
After 25 years in IT, it never ceases to amaze me that regardless of in-line tools and relentless training that you can never remove pure stupidity.
 
2020-09-28 2:24:55 PM  

Jelly Bean Raider: With the amount these hospitals are charging people, you would think they could get some basic internet security...


It's not possible, the IT vendors in the medical space don't allow you to have ANY security enabled or their product won't run and they won't support you. It's seriously the most aweful segment other than .gov/.edu from that perspective and .gov is getting better, if a bit too slowly.
 
2020-09-28 2:25:01 PM  
"Barron is good at the cyber"
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2020-09-28 2:25:53 PM  

robodog: That sounds like justification for a wetworks team. Kill the perps in a particularly gruesome fashion and let it be known that anyone else attacking vital infrastructure in the US will be dealt with in a similar manner.


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2020-09-28 2:30:14 PM  

Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.


Nah - this is good old-fashioned human greed by people who'd rather be digital muggers than use their skills to build up civilization, combined with gullible dipshiats who can't be bothered to employ safe digital practices when at work.
 
2020-09-28 2:31:55 PM  

Stud Gerbil: In fact, that is exactly what we need in the US, anyway.

It simple:   if you live here, you get health care.  Show your card and in you go.   No paperwork, no nothing.   They can bill the federal government later.   But no, this is why we can't have nice things.


I'm down but you must not be a fattie.

You have one year to not be fat then you can get the medical care.

No more cosmetic surgery.

You must drink three beers a week.
 
2020-09-28 2:32:55 PM  

Badmoodman: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.


Ok, I read the article and there's this caption: A sign outside the headquarters of Universal Health Services, Inc., in King of Prussia, Pa.


heh, Russians, Prussians, take your pic
 
2020-09-28 2:33:27 PM  
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Just watched this last night. Pretty scary what they can do now.
 
2020-09-28 2:37:15 PM  

Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.


Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.
 
2020-09-28 2:42:25 PM  

orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.


The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?
 
2020-09-28 2:47:41 PM  

robodog: That sounds like justification for a wetworks team. Kill the perps in a particularly gruesome fashion and let it be known that anyone else attacking vital infrastructure in the US will be dealt with in a similar manner.


As much as I like that idea from an emotional standpoint, that's just not on the table.  Though it does work:  When the Soviets had 4 diplomats taken hostage in Beirut in the 1980's, and one of them was killed, the KGB kidnapped a close relative of a prominent Hezbollah leader and killed him in retaliation. They also threatened the Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Fadlallah with not just retaliation within Beirut, but also Qom and Tehran by hinting that missiles aren't perfect and accidents happen.

But the US doesn't work that way.  It *CAN'T* work that way, much as we might like it to at times.

However, indicting them for attempted murder would be fine.  We can put out an Interpol Red Notice, and we can always secretly kidnap them if they are in a foreign country that won't extradite.   Hire the Mossad to do it, they're really good at that sort of thing.

Then a very public trial with family of those killed but who could have been saved testifying against them, along of course with the normal sorts of testimony to establish guilt, etc.   Then send them to the high security wing of ADX Florence for the rest of their lives (assuming a conviction, of course).
 
2020-09-28 2:49:55 PM  

BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?


Thing is, it's either Russians, Nigerians, or North Koreans, because those are the only three countries with the education and infrastructure that a good hacking operation needs to pull this shiat off, that also would not arrest and extradite the assholes to the country they were attacking.

Well, I guess you could probably add certain regions of Pakistan to the list, and you will probably see some Caribbean islands, especially the ones that currently allow questionable financial practices, soon get into the game.
 
2020-09-28 2:57:34 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: ...
You must drink three beers a week.
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Just 3?... but they don't make 3-packs...
 
2020-09-28 3:00:20 PM  

winedrinkingman: BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?

Thing is, it's either Russians, Nigerians, or North Koreans, because those are the only three countries with the education and infrastructure that a good hacking operation needs to pull this shiat off, that also would not arrest and extradite the assholes to the country they were attacking.

Well, I guess you could probably add certain regions of Pakistan to the list, and you will probably see some Caribbean islands, especially the ones that currently allow questionable financial practices, soon get into the game.


Being Ransomware, this is almost certainly the work of private hackers, not a state.
 
2020-09-28 3:04:17 PM  

Jelly Bean Raider: With the amount these hospitals are charging people, you would think they could get some basic internet security...


Healthcare IT is terrible. And I know this because I used to work in IT for a healthcare provider.

Being in a different time zone than Eastern where the corporate head quarters was, I noticed a significant network slowdown from when I used to image machines in the late evenings. I reported this to my boss, and even brought it up on a nationwide conference call where 3 other locations in different states verified that they were seeing the same issue. Like clockwork, 1 hour after the corporate team left each night. I brought this up 3 times in weekly meetings, and each time I was told not to worry, and then finally to stop asking because ultimately it was none of my business.

2 months later we had an emergency meeting the day after the network congestion finally stopped. We were told that an outside hacker had stolen almost a terabyte of medical records. Discovered when an admin logged in and found an SQL query running under his credentials that he didn't start.

I quipped back that I brought up this concern 2 months prior.

Know what happened? I got farking yelled at and blamed. I called bullshiat and said that I already told the regional manager about this, so how was it possibly my fault?

They said I could have stopped this had I have gone over their heads when I didn't give them the proper response that could have ended this. Dude told be that he farked up, but I was to blame for his monumental failure because I didn't disobey him and go to his boss.
 
2020-09-28 3:06:09 PM  

robodog: Jelly Bean Raider: With the amount these hospitals are charging people, you would think they could get some basic internet security...

It's not possible, the IT vendors in the medical space don't allow you to have ANY security enabled or their product won't run and they won't support you. It's seriously the most aweful segment other than .gov/.edu from that perspective and .gov is getting better, if a bit too slowly.


Bingo. I've seen Java 6 and even 5 still in use because concerns over incompatibility for financial transactions were a higher concern than an outright financial security breach.
 
2020-09-28 3:20:40 PM  
Buddy of mine is a hospital manager for UHS, it's been an absolute nightmare for the folks on the ground.
 
2020-09-28 3:21:45 PM  

nanim: StoPPeRmobile: ...
You must drink three beers a week.
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Just 3?... but they don't make 3-packs...


Amendment 1: 3 beers is the minimum.
 
2020-09-28 3:23:46 PM  

Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.


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2020-09-28 3:32:55 PM  

Walker: "Barron is good at the cyber"
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A buddy of mine had all of Trumps Cyber quotes as his ringtone shortly after he said it. Eventually the sound of his voice became so depressing he stopped it.
 
2020-09-28 3:48:11 PM  
I seem to recall an article early in the pandemic in which one of the larger hacker groups promised not to target anything medical...I guess if you can't trust a hacker then who can you trust?
 
2020-09-28 3:49:33 PM  
Hey look. Someone lost a flash drive in the parking lot. Lets plug it in to our workstation and see whats on it.
Huh? Doesn't look like anything is on it. Oh well, free flash drive for me.


/Stupidity at its finest.
 
2020-09-28 3:49:46 PM  

BigNumber12: winedrinkingman: BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?

Thing is, it's either Russians, Nigerians, or North Koreans, because those are the only three countries with the education and infrastructure that a good hacking operation needs to pull this shiat off, that also would not arrest and extradite the assholes to the country they were attacking.

Well, I guess you could probably add certain regions of Pakistan to the list, and you will probably see some Caribbean islands, especially the ones that currently allow questionable financial practices, soon get into the game.

Being Ransomware, this is almost certainly the work of private hackers, not a state.


Yes, but they tend to operate out of countries that turn a blind eye, and/or take a cut.
 
2020-09-28 3:50:06 PM  
Fark em. If they get hit, they need better security and a competent IT admin. I rolled back dozens of ransomware attacks at the university I used to work at. Kick PC off network, silent restore from failover. Go pull HD from user and clean install the OS and recover on airgap PC with a different OS.
 
2020-09-28 3:54:22 PM  

robodog: Jelly Bean Raider: With the amount these hospitals are charging people, you would think they could get some basic internet security...

It's not possible, the IT vendors in the medical space don't allow you to have ANY security enabled or their product won't run and they won't support you. It's seriously the most aweful segment other than .gov/.edu from that perspective and .gov is getting better, if a bit too slowly.


A good IT admin won't let them use such a vendor to begin with.

A great IT admin will have them behind a hardware firewall they can't see that only permissively allows the essential functions to work and has the PC locked down well enough to keep the idiots out. Giving them a unfiltered nukable PC to fart around on that isn't on the private network is much better than trying to keep them off everything.
 
2020-09-28 4:05:11 PM  

PunGent: BigNumber12: winedrinkingman: BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?

Thing is, it's either Russians, Nigerians, or North Koreans, because those are the only three countries with the education and infrastructure that a good hacking operation needs to pull this shiat off, that also would not arrest and extradite the assholes to the country they were attacking.

Well, I guess you could probably add certain regions of Pakistan to the list, and you will probably see some Caribbean islands, especially the ones that currently allow questionable financial practices, soon get into the game.

Being Ransomware, this is almost certainly the work of private hackers, not a state.

Yes, but they tend to operate out of countries that turn a blind eye, and/or take a cut.


Well, of course.
 
2020-09-28 4:05:39 PM  
They probably don't even use MFA. Rookies
 
2020-09-28 4:12:30 PM  

BigNumber12: winedrinkingman: BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?

Thing is, it's either Russians, Nigerians, or North Koreans, because those are the only three countries with the education and infrastructure that a good hacking operation needs to pull this shiat off, that also would not arrest and extradite the assholes to the country they were attacking.

Well, I guess you could probably add certain regions of Pakistan to the list, and you will probably see some Caribbean islands, especially the ones that currently allow questionable financial practices, soon get into the game.

Being Ransomware, this is almost certainly the work of private hackers, not a state.


Well, best Korea has done this one a state sponsored basis, not sure if the Russian mob qualifies as state sponsored or not, but they have operations as well.
 
2020-09-28 4:13:26 PM  

aseras: robodog: Jelly Bean Raider: With the amount these hospitals are charging people, you would think they could get some basic internet security...

It's not possible, the IT vendors in the medical space don't allow you to have ANY security enabled or their product won't run and they won't support you. It's seriously the most aweful segment other than .gov/.edu from that perspective and .gov is getting better, if a bit too slowly.

A good IT admin won't let them use such a vendor to begin with.

A great IT admin will have them behind a hardware firewall they can't see that only permissively allows the essential functions to work and has the PC locked down well enough to keep the idiots out. Giving them a unfiltered nukable PC to fart around on that isn't on the private network is much better than trying to keep them off everything.


Yeah, but a perfect IT admin practices what they preach when it comes to security policies.

My old job used Citrix to remotely login to purposefully create air gaps between the users and the databases. Protected against everything on the network. And yet it was an admin's credentials that got compromised.

Because every admin always thinks that because they're smarter than the other users, they're immune to being compromised.
 
2020-09-28 4:21:20 PM  
also bad when it happens to....

ONE OF THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SHIPPING LINES

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2020-09-28 4:23:19 PM  

winedrinkingman: BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?

Thing is, it's either Russians, Nigerians, or North Koreans, because those are the only three countries with the education and infrastructure that a good hacking operation needs to pull this shiat off, that also would not arrest and extradite the assholes to the country they were attacking.

Well, I guess you could probably add certain regions of Pakistan to the list, and you will probably see some Caribbean islands, especially the ones that currently allow questionable financial practices, soon get into the game.


You left out China.  They are a major source of problems on the internet.  And since the average Chinese citizen is blocked by the Great Chinese Firewall, it's always government agents doing it, despite their protests of innocence.
 
2020-09-28 4:33:41 PM  

hamsack: Hey look. Someone lost a flash drive in the parking lot. Lets plug it in to our workstation and see whats on it.
Huh? Doesn't look like anything is on it. Oh well, free flash drive for me.


/Stupidity at its finest.


I wonder if this gimmick still works.

/probably
 
2020-09-28 4:36:44 PM  
Seems like they should have enough money to assure they won't get hacked.
 
2020-09-28 4:39:03 PM  
If only there were a government agency that protected us from these criminals ... but that's too much to ask for them to even try
 
2020-09-28 4:41:23 PM  

BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?


No, it came mostly from a revival of the red panic of the 50s. Which is odd, since Russia is now run by a fascist dictator. But then, American exceptionalism means that someone else must always be to blame, whether that's Vladimir Putin, Satan or the Joker.

Ten years ago internet scammers were Nigeria, but nobody thought it was all a plot by the Nigerian government any more than anyone thinks the Indian government is behind "David", who wants to help me with Windows. Russophobia runs very deep.
 
2020-09-28 4:44:38 PM  

orbister: Ten years ago internet scammers were Nigeria, but nobody thought it was all a plot by the Nigerian government


Ten years ago Nigeria didn't have a functional government.

Russians are often suspect because there have been a hell of a lot of attacks from Russia over the years.  Even if the activity has gone down, there's still going to be a lot of mistrust towards them, especially when it has been damn near impossible to get any cooperation from the Russian government.
 
2020-09-28 5:08:25 PM  

Stud Gerbil: In fact, that is exactly what we need in the US, anyway.

It simple:   if you live here, you get health care.  Show your card and in you go.   No paperwork, no nothing.   They can bill the federal government later.   But no, this is why we can't have nice things.


You realize that medical records are about far more than billing, right?

Those computer systems are doing things like:
* Keeping a list of your current medications and when the nurse has to administer them
* Using barcode scanning to ensure the right med is given to the right patient at the right time
* Performing allergy, duplicate, and interaction checks when a new medication is ordered
* Showing your current and historical vitals and test results, including trending
* Using predictive modeling to alert nurses when you are in danger of deterioration or sepsis
* Managing the schedules for all of your ancillaries like radiology, and making sure transport can pick you up in a timely manner so the department can see all the patients who need to be seen
* Storing xray, CT, MR, etc. images for providers to interpret
* Gives providers a sense of your medical history so they can look at new problems through the lens of your overall health and wellness

And thousands more. People can and do die because records aren't available. Yes, some paperwork is for billing, but a huge amount is to support physicians and reduce errors.
 
2020-09-28 6:18:55 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Stud Gerbil: In fact, that is exactly what we need in the US, anyway.

It simple:   if you live here, you get health care.  Show your card and in you go.   No paperwork, no nothing.   They can bill the federal government later.   But no, this is why we can't have nice things.

I'm down but you must not be a fattie.

You have one year to not be fat then you can get the medical care.

No more cosmetic surgery.

You must drink three beers a week.


I often thought about that. Would everyone have subsidize idiots on skateboards, scooters, motorcycles without helmets, people who speed, people who drive drunk, people who...well, you get the idea.
 
2020-09-28 6:19:51 PM  

BigNumber12: orbister: Badmoodman: Without even reading the article, I'm gonna go with, Russia.

Fark likes to blame everything bad on Russia. Saves taking responsibility, I suppose.

The stereotype of Russians as being among the leading goons and scammers of the Internet just came outta nowhere, right?


Nope, came up because of stupid Facebook articles that idiots believed.
 
2020-09-28 6:23:25 PM  
Mean time idiots aim for. Mars. We didn't need no Space Force. We need a Cyber Force.
LOL.
The hubris and short-sighted stupidity of America.
Hat tip, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2020-09-28 6:24:35 PM  

huntercr: Walker: "Barron is good at the cyber"
[blogs.reuters.com image 850x580]

A buddy of mine had all of Trumps Cyber quotes as his ringtone shortly after he said it. Eventually the sound of his voice became so depressing he stopped it.


Well, you two did it. Managed to get Trump in a conversation about medical hacking.
 
2020-09-28 7:47:40 PM  

bfh0417: huntercr: Walker: "Barron is good at the cyber"
[blogs.reuters.com image 850x580]

A buddy of mine had all of Trumps Cyber quotes as his ringtone shortly after he said it. Eventually the sound of his voice became so depressing he stopped it.

Well, you two did it. Managed to get Trump in a conversation about medical hacking.


Clearly suffering from TDS, just like the guy who injected Trump into a conversation about Irish tourists in Rome.
 
2020-09-28 8:32:32 PM  

bfh0417: StoPPeRmobile: Stud Gerbil: In fact, that is exactly what we need in the US, anyway.

It simple:   if you live here, you get health care.  Show your card and in you go.   No paperwork, no nothing.   They can bill the federal government later.   But no, this is why we can't have nice things.

I'm down but you must not be a fattie.

You have one year to not be fat then you can get the medical care.

No more cosmetic surgery.

You must drink three beers a week.

I often thought about that. Would everyone have subsidize idiots on skateboards, scooters, motorcycles without helmets, people who speed, people who drive drunk, people who...well, you get the idea.


Sooooo... just like private insurance that subsidizes the same idiots?
 
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