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2020-09-28 3:43:26 PM  
Officer responding to dangerous jaywalkers, need backup! Need backup!
 
2020-09-28 8:16:08 PM  
Does the site of the debate really matter here?
 
2020-09-28 8:19:47 PM  
Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???
 
2020-09-28 8:21:37 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???


Because every one is armed to the teeth here ☹
 
2020-09-28 8:22:13 PM  
Back up a moment. Why are private security guards authorized to act on behalf of a public police force?
 
2020-09-28 8:22:29 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???


Because of how many shiatheads go everywhere armed. Also because we had to find jobs for the police academy rejects.
 
2020-09-28 8:24:51 PM  

etoof: DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???

Because of how many shiatheads go everywhere armed. Also because we had to find jobs for the police academy rejects.


I always find this weird thing about the whole no socialism for you urban folks, but these suburban failures get welfare jobs where they harass the urban folks.

By design or something.
 
2020-09-28 8:25:52 PM  
So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.
 
2020-09-28 8:28:33 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???


Because otherwise this would be a documentary.

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2020-09-28 8:29:38 PM  
They gave police authority to rent-a-cops?
How could that not go wrong?

//all the testosterone fuelled power trips with none of the pesky training or oversight. That's nazi level efficiency.
 
2020-09-28 8:29:46 PM  
Guess the obvious tag's in the ICU.
 
2020-09-28 8:33:47 PM  
Hospital Cops?

How is this not a Dick Wolf procedural drama?
 
2020-09-28 8:34:45 PM  

kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.


None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.
 
2020-09-28 8:35:00 PM  
The debate is being held at a hospital because Trump is gonna get wrecked like a $4 whore.
 
2020-09-28 8:35:09 PM  

kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars.


That may be, but the underlying justification here is, "Sure, they crack a few Black skulls, but that's the price we pay to protect our doctors and nurses."

If the protection of your safety comes at the expense of the innocent, that is a protection you do not deserve.
 
2020-09-28 8:35:29 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???


Not all hospitals.   The CC main campus is very large.
 
2020-09-28 8:36:46 PM  

jsnbase: kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.

None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.


Yeah that I don't know. I am in no way defending them or what they do.
 
2020-09-28 8:42:47 PM  

TomFooolery: Officer responding to dangerous jaywalkers, need backup! Need backup!


Jaywalking is the most non crime of all the crimes on the books. Whoever thought this should be a crime is a goddamn private prison stooge and needs an ass kicking.
 
2020-09-28 8:43:54 PM  

kozlo: jsnbase: kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.

None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.

Yeah that I don't know. I am in no way defending them or what they do.


Its a city inside of a city.  I'd rather the CCF have their own police department than CPD handling policing duties for them.
 
2020-09-28 8:46:28 PM  

kozlo: jsnbase: kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.

None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.

Yeah that I don't know. I am in no way defending them or what they do.


Because its also a medical school campus that takes up 179 acres. This isn't one lone building and parking garage.
 
2020-09-28 8:46:49 PM  
On the one hand, I am not about to suggest that the law enforcement community in Cleveland doesn't have some pretty serious race relations problems. This is, after all, the town where Tamir Rice.was murdered.

On the other hand, it's more than a little misleading to note that most of the staff, patients, and visitors are white and suggest that in itself demonstrates disproportionate enforcement. I very much doubt that staff, patients, and visitors account for most of the calls to police. I suspect that most calls to police have to do with local residents on hospital property (including parking structures), and that part of Cleveland is very much majority black (at least, it was when I lived there). It's important to highlight the problem which I don't doubt is very real, but abusing statistics is not the way to do it.

Now, if you want to talk about racism in the Cleveland Heights prosecutor's office, I have some stories for you. They're over 25 years old, but I doubt much has changed.
 
2020-09-28 8:46:55 PM  

Todd300: The debate is being held at a hospital because Trump is gonna get wrecked like a $4 whore.


I read your post in Danny DeVito's voice.  "...a $4 whooooooooore."
 
2020-09-28 8:48:15 PM  

whitefangz64: They gave police authority to rent-a-cops?
How could that not go wrong?

//all the testosterone fuelled power trips with none of the pesky training or oversight. That's nazi level efficiency.


How does this differ from actual cops?
 
2020-09-28 8:48:33 PM  

Nuc_E: DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???

Not all hospitals.   The CC main campus is very large.


Exactly. It's like university police.
 
2020-09-28 8:48:43 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???


Former Clevelander here (born, raised, spend 32 wonderful years of my life there): To answer your quetstion-- it's because (in reference to the story) the Cleveland Police are so woefully inept.  They even closed a precinct located roughly 1/4 mile from the heart of the Cleveland Clinic and about 1/3 mile from the University Hospitals campus because UH Police; University Circle PD; and Cleveland Clinic PD were doing a more effective job at terrorizing minorities than THEY were.

At one point all these places either had City of Cleveland cops (on and off duty), or private security on their premises.  After a few high profile incidents with active shooters, crimes which required thorough investigations (Cleveland PD are REALLY bad at that); and piss poor response times by Cleveland PD-- they hospitals and University Circle decided to hire their own guns. Also, all three of those departments are accredited in the State of Ohio.
 
2020-09-28 8:49:01 PM  

BMulligan: On the one hand, I am not about to suggest that the law enforcement community in Cleveland doesn't have some pretty serious race relations problems. This is, after all, the town where Tamir Rice.was murdered.

On the other hand, it's more than a little misleading to note that most of the staff, patients, and visitors are white and suggest that in itself demonstrates disproportionate enforcement. I very much doubt that staff, patients, and visitors account for most of the calls to police. I suspect that most calls to police have to do with local residents on hospital property (including parking structures), and that part of Cleveland is very much majority black (at least, it was when I lived there). It's important to highlight the problem which I don't doubt is very real, but abusing statistics is not the way to do it.

Now, if you want to talk about racism in the Cleveland Heights prosecutor's office, I have some stories for you. They're over 25 years old, but I doubt much has changed.


I'd be interested.  I'm a heights resident.  I've only been here for 6 and a half years.
 
2020-09-28 8:49:56 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???

Former Clevelander here (born, raised, spend 32 wonderful years of my life there): To answer your quetstion-- it's because (in reference to the story) the Cleveland Police are so woefully inept.  They even closed a precinct located roughly 1/4 mile from the heart of the Cleveland Clinic and about 1/3 mile from the University Hospitals campus because UH Police; University Circle PD; and Cleveland Clinic PD were doing a more effective job at terrorizing minorities than THEY were.

At one point all these places either had City of Cleveland cops (on and off duty), or private security on their premises.  After a few high profile incidents with active shooters, crimes which required thorough investigations (Cleveland PD are REALLY bad at that); and piss poor response times by Cleveland PD-- they hospitals and University Circle decided to hire their own guns. Also, all three of those departments are accredited in the State of Ohio.


Thanks for the insight. Gives a more complete picture.
 
2020-09-28 8:57:49 PM  

Nuc_E: BMulligan: On the one hand, I am not about to suggest that the law enforcement community in Cleveland doesn't have some pretty serious race relations problems. This is, after all, the town where Tamir Rice.was murdered.

On the other hand, it's more than a little misleading to note that most of the staff, patients, and visitors are white and suggest that in itself demonstrates disproportionate enforcement. I very much doubt that staff, patients, and visitors account for most of the calls to police. I suspect that most calls to police have to do with local residents on hospital property (including parking structures), and that part of Cleveland is very much majority black (at least, it was when I lived there). It's important to highlight the problem which I don't doubt is very real, but abusing statistics is not the way to do it.

Now, if you want to talk about racism in the Cleveland Heights prosecutor's office, I have some stories for you. They're over 25 years old, but I doubt much has changed.

I'd be interested.  I'm a heights resident.  I've only been here for 6 and a half years.


When I was at CWRU law school, the clinical program served as the public defender for Cleveland Heights. The main prosecutor (who I'm sure is retired or dead) loved nothing more than to throw the book at young black shoplifters who got caught by security at the mall. At one point who told my supervising faculty member (who was black) that the citizens of Cleveland Heights had to take their mall back (emphasis in the original). My supervisor never dealt with him directly again.
 
2020-09-28 9:02:29 PM  

RussianPotato: Hospital Cops?

How is this not a Dick Wolf procedural drama?


Because you touch yourself at night.
 
2020-09-28 9:02:52 PM  

BMulligan: Nuc_E: BMulligan: On the one hand, I am not about to suggest that the law enforcement community in Cleveland doesn't have some pretty serious race relations problems. This is, after all, the town where Tamir Rice.was murdered.

On the other hand, it's more than a little misleading to note that most of the staff, patients, and visitors are white and suggest that in itself demonstrates disproportionate enforcement. I very much doubt that staff, patients, and visitors account for most of the calls to police. I suspect that most calls to police have to do with local residents on hospital property (including parking structures), and that part of Cleveland is very much majority black (at least, it was when I lived there). It's important to highlight the problem which I don't doubt is very real, but abusing statistics is not the way to do it.

Now, if you want to talk about racism in the Cleveland Heights prosecutor's office, I have some stories for you. They're over 25 years old, but I doubt much has changed.

I'd be interested.  I'm a heights resident.  I've only been here for 6 and a half years.

When I was at CWRU law school, the clinical program served as the public defender for Cleveland Heights. The main prosecutor (who I'm sure is retired or dead) loved nothing more than to throw the book at young black shoplifters who got caught by security at the mall. At one point who told my supervising faculty member (who was black) that the citizens of Cleveland Heights had to take their mall back (emphasis in the original). My supervisor never dealt with him directly again.


I can see that.    I'd like to think of Cleveland Heights, at least the citizenry as better than that as a whole, though.   There are some nasty people around here.
 
2020-09-28 9:04:18 PM  

BMulligan: Nuc_E: BMulligan: On the one hand, I am not about to suggest that the law enforcement community in Cleveland doesn't have some pretty serious race relations problems. This is, after all, the town where Tamir Rice.was murdered.

On the other hand, it's more than a little misleading to note that most of the staff, patients, and visitors are white and suggest that in itself demonstrates disproportionate enforcement. I very much doubt that staff, patients, and visitors account for most of the calls to police. I suspect that most calls to police have to do with local residents on hospital property (including parking structures), and that part of Cleveland is very much majority black (at least, it was when I lived there). It's important to highlight the problem which I don't doubt is very real, but abusing statistics is not the way to do it.

Now, if you want to talk about racism in the Cleveland Heights prosecutor's office, I have some stories for you. They're over 25 years old, but I doubt much has changed.

I'd be interested.  I'm a heights resident.  I've only been here for 6 and a half years.

When I was at CWRU law school, the clinical program served as the public defender for Cleveland Heights. The main prosecutor (who I'm sure is retired or dead) loved nothing more than to throw the book at young black shoplifters who got caught by security at the mall. At one point who told my supervising faculty member (who was black) that the citizens of Cleveland Heights had to take their mall back (emphasis in the original). My supervisor never dealt with him directly again.


What year was this? Because Severance was going to shiat back in like 1997. Or whatever year that high profile shooting happened in the mall (the food court, I think?).  I have fond memories of that place as a kid. The Regal Cinema attached to the food court, and then there was a smaller 2 screen independent chain that Regal ended up buying which was a little further down.  Oh, and they had the Sam Goody record store there too...And the Dunham's Sporting goods...and the Woolworth's...And my mother used to take me to the Horne's for the Christmas decorations before they went out of business...

Like I said, great memories.
 
2020-09-28 9:09:54 PM  
This is a pretty disingenuous article.

A more accurate title would be "why are black people arrested so much at a hospital in a neighborhood with a 90-93% black population?"

The "Look-Alike Police Forces" caption is dishonest too.

These cops are fully-sworn officers and have the same training and attend the same police academies as city police and deputies -except they work at a hospital/campus -not much different from how the NYC Transit Police is part of the NYPD but handles incidents on the subway system.
 
2020-09-28 9:10:51 PM  
This is an easy one, just defund the police.  It's totally not the same thing as the government giving up.
 
2020-09-28 9:17:43 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: BMulligan: Nuc_E: BMulligan: On the one hand, I am not about to suggest that the law enforcement community in Cleveland doesn't have some pretty serious race relations problems. This is, after all, the town where Tamir Rice.was murdered.

On the other hand, it's more than a little misleading to note that most of the staff, patients, and visitors are white and suggest that in itself demonstrates disproportionate enforcement. I very much doubt that staff, patients, and visitors account for most of the calls to police. I suspect that most calls to police have to do with local residents on hospital property (including parking structures), and that part of Cleveland is very much majority black (at least, it was when I lived there). It's important to highlight the problem which I don't doubt is very real, but abusing statistics is not the way to do it.

Now, if you want to talk about racism in the Cleveland Heights prosecutor's office, I have some stories for you. They're over 25 years old, but I doubt much has changed.

I'd be interested.  I'm a heights resident.  I've only been here for 6 and a half years.

When I was at CWRU law school, the clinical program served as the public defender for Cleveland Heights. The main prosecutor (who I'm sure is retired or dead) loved nothing more than to throw the book at young black shoplifters who got caught by security at the mall. At one point who told my supervising faculty member (who was black) that the citizens of Cleveland Heights had to take their mall back (emphasis in the original). My supervisor never dealt with him directly again.

What year was this? Because Severance was going to shiat back in like 1997. Or whatever year that high profile shooting happened in the mall (the food court, I think?).  I have fond memories of that place as a kid. The Regal Cinema attached to the food court, and then there was a smaller 2 screen independent chain that Regal ended up buying which was a little further down.  Oh, and they had the Sam Goody record store there too...And the Dunham's Sporting goods...and the Woolworth's...And my mother used to take me to the Horne's for the Christmas decorations before they went out of business...

Like I said, great memories.


It was shortly before that - I graduated in spring of 1996 - and yes, the mall was very much in decline. At least a third of the spaces were vacant.
 
2020-09-28 9:18:52 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???


Somebody has to shake the change out of the cadaver's clothes.
 
2020-09-28 9:21:22 PM  

Sumo Surfer: This is a pretty disingenuous article.

A more accurate title would be "why are black people arrested so much at a hospital in a neighborhood with a 90-93% black population?"

The "Look-Alike Police Forces" caption is dishonest too.

These cops are fully-sworn officers and have the same training and attend the same police academies as city police and deputies -except they work at a hospital/campus -not much different from how the NYC Transit Police is part of the NYPD but handles incidents on the subway system.


Yeah, my memory of Cleveland is that the east side is largely black and the universities are there too. Sort of like Columbia and Harlem and  the University of Chicago on the South Side. I have no idea how common that conjunction is.
 
2020-09-28 9:21:55 PM  

kozlo: jsnbase: kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.

None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.

Yeah that I don't know. I am in no way defending them or what they do.


Cleveland has a problem with too many police agencies and too small of a population. You have CMHA, University Hospitals, Cleveland Clinic police, RTA police, CSU police, Case, John Carroll, plus the Cleveland Police and Cuyahoga County Sheriff... Oh, and the Highway Patrol can be found rolling around downtown.

There are less than 400,000 people in the City of Cleveland these days.
 
2020-09-28 9:37:07 PM  

kozlo: jsnbase: kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.

None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.

Yeah that I don't know. I am in no way defending them or what they do.


I'm local too. East Cleveland is 91% black. It's one of the poorest cities and one of the most dangerous in America. Cleveland is 50% black and has a well-earned reputation for crime.

One could probably substitute the word "poor" for black and have the same statistics. I have no doubt that systemic racism is everywhere. I'm just giving the numbers. This is a very unusual neighborhood, with U Circle, CIM, the Art Museum, Cleveland Orch etc fairly close, and also E. Cleveland fairly close. Anthony Sowell the serial killer lived about a mile or so away. Colors don't matter. It's a rough 'hood or at least very near one.
 
2020-09-28 9:42:23 PM  

BMulligan: TheEdibleSnuggie: BMulligan: Nuc_E: BMulligan: On the one hand, I am not about to suggest that the law enforcement community in Cleveland doesn't have some pretty serious race relations problems. This is, after all, the town where Tamir Rice.was murdered.

On the other hand, it's more than a little misleading to note that most of the staff, patients, and visitors are white and suggest that in itself demonstrates disproportionate enforcement. I very much doubt that staff, patients, and visitors account for most of the calls to police. I suspect that most calls to police have to do with local residents on hospital property (including parking structures), and that part of Cleveland is very much majority black (at least, it was when I lived there). It's important to highlight the problem which I don't doubt is very real, but abusing statistics is not the way to do it.

Now, if you want to talk about racism in the Cleveland Heights prosecutor's office, I have some stories for you. They're over 25 years old, but I doubt much has changed.

I'd be interested.  I'm a heights resident.  I've only been here for 6 and a half years.

When I was at CWRU law school, the clinical program served as the public defender for Cleveland Heights. The main prosecutor (who I'm sure is retired or dead) loved nothing more than to throw the book at young black shoplifters who got caught by security at the mall. At one point who told my supervising faculty member (who was black) that the citizens of Cleveland Heights had to take their mall back (emphasis in the original). My supervisor never dealt with him directly again.

What year was this? Because Severance was going to shiat back in like 1997. Or whatever year that high profile shooting happened in the mall (the food court, I think?).  I have fond memories of that place as a kid. The Regal Cinema attached to the food court, and then there was a smaller 2 screen independent chain that Regal ended up buying which was a little further down.  O ...


Heights has changed A LOT since then. It's just about 50/50 between whites and blacks, with whites really occupying the portion of Cleveland Heights south of Cedar and west of Taylor, and of course, Coventry.

Honestly, I think the tide changed when the mall was demolished and was replaced with more of a shopping center layout. The old mall just turned into a den of criminal activity, and the RTA bus depot that was literally right across the street from the food court didn't help things. The Wal-Mart the built on that side though is a farking DISASTER; the rebuilt Regal ended up closing; and the Dave's Market always looks ransacked. The Home Depot is nice though. lol

And I think the Severance Athletic Club got turned into a church. Go figure.
 
2020-09-28 9:46:23 PM  

Nuc_E: kozlo: jsnbase: kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.

None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.

Yeah that I don't know. I am in no way defending them or what they do.

Its a city inside of a city.  I'd rather the CCF have their own police department than CPD handling policing duties for them.



Sometimes it seems like every farking place in America has their own cops. We've actually cut back on a few around DC because every other federal agency has its own cops. I don't mean Federal law enforcement agencies like FBI, which already has jurisdiction in federal facilities. Also, not like security guards hired by agencies. Actual police with the powers that go along with it to arrest people and such and their department exists solely for an agency or location. Some of them make more sense that others. Government Printing Office, that does the government reports and the official portrait of the president that goes on agency lobbies and such.... they have their own police. I had to do some work with them and found that little factoid curious. So I looked into who else had a weird police force of their own in town a while back.

National Institutes of Health (NIH) has its own police department. The Smithsonian museums have guards but the Smithsonian Zoo actually has its own actual police for some reason. The Supreme Court has its own police. Now, that one kinda makes sense but there's also the US Marshal Service that protects federal courts. No reason to not just have a division of that service handle the SC and yet...  Tennessee Valley Authority(TVA), which is basically a government run utilities company, has its own police. Library of Congress used to have their own separate police until like five years ago and someone finally figured out they could just have capitol police do that job and eliminate one police bureaucracy.

But this smorgasbord of little police fiefdoms replicates itself within state governments, where for some weird reason any hospital or state agency may have a random police department because it makes some sense to someone right now, or because it made some sense 50-100 years ago for some bureaucracy to have one and no one has revisited the issue to shut it down.
 
2020-09-28 10:01:53 PM  
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2020-09-28 10:16:06 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Hi, Canadian here.  Question; why do your hospitals have their own police force???


My sister is a retired ER doctor who worked at Grady in Atlanta for 20 years
It was not unheard of for those who had attempted to kill the patient in the ER to come try to finish them off. Saturday night in a large hospital in a large American city requires guards to protect patients and medical staff
 
2020-09-28 11:05:43 PM  
How is it possible to give "police powers" to private security?  Why are they allowed to "police" off of the private property?  I thought private prisons were bad enough, but private police forces are frightening.
 
2020-09-28 11:11:09 PM  

kbronsito: Nuc_E: kozlo: jsnbase: kozlo: So, speaking firsthand: the hospital is in a low income part of town and there have been instances of doctors and nurses robbed while walking to their cars. I've personally woke up a (presumably) homeless guy sleeping in a parking garage elevator. A few years ago a guy shot an old man on campus on Facebook live and ran to Erie PA to be caught by cops. When I worked in the ER we had all manner of weapons on patients and visitors found, and enough dangerous patients that could and did harm hospital staff. I hear a "code violet" - violent patient/visitor - at least once a day here. It sucks and I wish we didn't need to, but things happen here on campus.

None of that is fun, but it doesn't sound any different than literally anywhere, and it doesn't explain why actual police can't handle the area.

Yeah that I don't know. I am in no way defending them or what they do.

Its a city inside of a city.  I'd rather the CCF have their own police department than CPD handling policing duties for them.


Sometimes it seems like every farking place in America has their own cops. We've actually cut back on a few around DC because every other federal agency has its own cops. I don't mean Federal law enforcement agencies like FBI, which already has jurisdiction in federal facilities. Also, not like security guards hired by agencies. Actual police with the powers that go along with it to arrest people and such and their department exists solely for an agency or location. Some of them make more sense that others. Government Printing Office, that does the government reports and the official portrait of the president that goes on agency lobbies and such.... they have their own police. I had to do some work with them and found that little factoid curious. So I looked into who else had a weird police force of their own in town a while back.

National Institutes of Health (NIH) has its own police department. The Smithsonian museums have guards but the Smithsonian Zoo actually has its own actual police for some reason. The Supreme Court has its own police. Now, that one kinda makes sense but there's also the US Marshal Service that protects federal courts. No reason to not just have a division of that service handle the SC and yet...  Tennessee Valley Authority(TVA), which is basically a government run utilities company, has its own police. Library of Congress used to have their own separate police until like five years ago and someone finally figured out they could just have capitol police do that job and eliminate one police bureaucracy.

But this smorgasbord of little police fiefdoms replicates itself within state governments, where for some weird reason any hospital or state agency may have a random police department because it makes some sense to someone right now, or because it made some sense 50-100 years ago for some bureaucracy to have one and no one has revisited the issue to shut it down.


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I don't see that as an issue in these cases.   I guess I would like to think that the individual police forces are much more knowledgeable of their jurisdictions and policing needs rsther than larger more general law enforcement agencies.  CCF, UH, and CWRU, having their own police departments doesn't bother me.  I might not see the need for University Circle police department.  Then again, it primarily serves the museum and cultural district, so it may be appropriate.  Of course, these distinctions don't matter regarding general problems rampant through police agencies.
 
2020-09-28 11:11:58 PM  
There do seem to be a silly number of extra specific law enforcement agencies.

/finished my thought
 
2020-09-29 4:09:28 AM  
It's called arresting while black. Say mom has a "heart" issue most likely the fam is gonna drive cause it's 8 times faster than waiting for ems. They are 3x as likely to ask for ids. Insurance etc. before they even touch mom. . Kids get upset ......................shake violently.
 
2020-09-29 4:10:29 AM  
Shake you fkn head
 
2020-09-29 10:07:27 AM  

paygun: This is an easy one, just defund the police.  It's totally not the same thing as the government giving up.


F*ck you Nazi, I curse you to Hell, may I state my mind before God.
 
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