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(Washington Post)   If the GOP rush to get ACB on the court to kill Obamacare, they will only usher in a Democratic Majority that will pass Medicare for All in record time. Much like their Confederate heroes they will win the battle but lose the war   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-09-28 9:25:00 AM  
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2020-09-28 9:32:34 AM  
"Win the battle, lose the war.
Choice of evils lie before your feet!
Retreat!  Retreat!  Retreat!"

"If you win, then you will lose"
"Retreat!  Retreat! Retreat!"
 
2020-09-28 9:34:20 AM  
To lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose.
This is the game of Rassilon.
 
2020-09-28 9:38:56 AM  
Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.
 
2020-09-28 9:40:45 AM  
Do not need Medicare for all, just a public option for all that want Medicare coverage. Let private for profit insurance compete with no cost to insured health coverage. Eliminate medicaid and repurpose spending.
 
2020-09-28 9:46:36 AM  
The North won the war, and then lost the peace.

/i blame john wilkes booth
 
2020-09-28 9:50:45 AM  
And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.
 
2020-09-28 9:52:12 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.


How did that 2016 protest vote work out?
 
2020-09-28 9:55:32 AM  
You know we don't have to call her ACB. Ginsburg earned that moniker.
 
2020-09-28 9:56:22 AM  

GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.


SCOTUS goes 7-6 for ACA.
 
2020-09-28 9:57:04 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.


well your fatalism is, as always, noted and ignored.
 
2020-09-28 9:57:08 AM  

eurotrader: Do not need Medicare for all, just a public option for all that want Medicare coverage. Let private for profit insurance compete with no cost to insured health coverage. Eliminate medicaid and repurpose spending.


We also need all payer price controls (healthcare providers charge the same for a service to all payers).
 
2020-09-28 9:57:34 AM  
Umm, them appointing a new SC justice is the war. That shiat lasts for much longer, like a generation.  The house/senate is the short term battle in this case.

This site is delusional sometimes.
 
2020-09-28 9:58:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The North won the war, and then lost the peace.

/i blame john wilkes booth


I blame Andrew Johnson
 
2020-09-28 9:58:21 AM  
Democrats are on record rejecting making Medicare For All part of their platform. Biden is on record saying he'd veto it if it made it to his desk.

Let's not rewrite shiatty history just because people are getting adrenaline highs over SCOTUS.
 
2020-09-28 10:00:14 AM  
The establishment democrats will NEVER pass MedicareForAll... they are centrist republicans after all.
 
2020-09-28 10:00:48 AM  

TonySoprano: The establishment democrats will NEVER pass MedicareForAll... they are centrist republicans after all.


They think it's still the late 80's/early90s
 
2020-09-28 10:01:44 AM  
Democrats passing Medicare For All? LOL, I laughed so much this morning. Thanks for that.

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2020-09-28 10:02:05 AM  
If the GOP rush to get ACB on the court to kill Obamacare, they will only usher in a Democratic Majority that will pass Medicare for All in record time. Much like their Confederate heroes they will win the battle but lose the war

Subby, you're apparently new to the (D) party.  At some point in the near future, yes a (D) Majority will hit the government including WH and Congress.  But if there is one time tested truth about the (D)'s it's that they have no f*cking spine.  They will absolutely squander the opportunity.  The (R)'s will make some shiat up that's incredibly transparent and stupid that everyone knows is bullshiat like "you can't do that in an election year!" and the (D)'s will eat it up and agree and move on.
 
2020-09-28 10:02:24 AM  
only fools ignore the pendulum of time

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2020-09-28 10:02:50 AM  

GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.


Which is the whole point of packing the court and filibustering every judge a Democrat nominated. Republicans don't have to do anything knowing they have politicized the courts to do their bidding. Even if they are a minority.
 
2020-09-28 10:03:28 AM  
Medicare for all will then be shot down in the courts.....


Gotta get those seats first, pass voting laws, undo gerrymandering, then it might work.
 
2020-09-28 10:03:32 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.


bluejeansonfire: Democrats are on record rejecting making Medicare For All part of their platform. Biden is on record saying he'd veto it if it made it to his desk.

Let's not rewrite shiatty history just because people are getting adrenaline highs over SCOTUS.


TonySoprano: The establishment democrats will NEVER pass MedicareForAll... they are centrist republicans after all.


I see that team stupid is here in force this morning.
 
2020-09-28 10:04:07 AM  

bdub77: GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.

SCOTUS goes 7-6 for ACA.


There is no guarantee we expand the court, esp day 1.

1) We have to win the Senate, or it's a moot point. If we don't take it back now, we have to wait at least until 2023.
2) Even if we do win, a complete judicial reform bill must be passed expanding the court and realigning the districts. That will require ending the filibuster which,in turn, will end the Senate as we knew it. Whether or not you believe that is the correct course, it is a MONUMENTAL change, and Senators are not going to take it lightly.
 
2020-09-28 10:04:54 AM  

American Decency Association: only fools ignore the pendulum of time

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2020-09-28 10:05:47 AM  

NuclearPenguins: AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.

bluejeansonfire: Democrats are on record rejecting making Medicare For All part of their platform. Biden is on record saying he'd veto it if it made it to his desk.

Let's not rewrite shiatty history just because people are getting adrenaline highs over SCOTUS.

TonySoprano: The establishment democrats will NEVER pass MedicareForAll... they are centrist republicans after all.

I see that team stupid is here in force this morning.


Can't defend your party's opposition to M4A, so you pretend criticism is illegitimate.
 
2020-09-28 10:06:32 AM  
Bryer is in 80s i think.  Thomas and Alito are in early 70s.   And  any of them could get cancer, stroke out or have a heart attack, although im sure they are checked all the time by doctors.

All Im saying is that the make up of the court could change in the next term of the presidency just as much as it did under Trump.  Hence, elections are important.
 
2020-09-28 10:06:34 AM  
Regarding the Noxious ACB, and every other politician or appointee at every level working in behalf of the public trust:  I think it's time Americans demand every one of them undergo a physical and mental evaluation before they can even think of doing their job.  That is one thing the Trump presidency has made plain.
 
2020-09-28 10:06:45 AM  

GardenWeasel: AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.

How did that 2016 protest vote work out?


Attempted change of subject noted.
 
2020-09-28 10:06:58 AM  
How about we kick Trump out this November first. Then we'll talk about other stuff.
 
2020-09-28 10:07:44 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The North won the war, and then lost the peace.

/i blame john wilkes booth


It's Andrew Johnson you should blame.

And Rutherford B. Hayes.
 
2020-09-28 10:08:26 AM  
They either grow a spine and fight back like the country depends on it, or I'll be looking for another country to live In. Let my employer hire a plucky Indian lad or las to take my place, since we don't educate our population cause "SooOsHUliSm!". They do good work, and it'll make this country more diverse and hopefully save it one day. Win win
 
2020-09-28 10:09:09 AM  

bdub77: GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.

SCOTUS goes 7-6 for ACA.


As of right now there are not 50 confirmed Democratic Senator votes to get rid of the filibuster, let alone add justices. 52+ needed since Feinstein and Manchin are confirmed nos.
 
2020-09-28 10:10:00 AM  

A Cave Geek: "Win the battle, lose the war.
Choice of evils lie before your feet!
Retreat!  Retreat!  Retreat!"

"If you win, then you will lose"
"Retreat!  Retreat! Retreat!"


"Where there's a whip
***whip crack***
There's a way! Where there's a whip,
***whip crack***
There's a way! Where there's a whip,
***whip crack***
We don't want to go to War today, but the Lord of the Lash says, "Nay, nay, nay"!
We're gonna march all day, all day, all day!
For where there's a whip, there's a way!"
 
2020-09-28 10:10:53 AM  

GardenWeasel: bdub77: GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.

SCOTUS goes 7-6 for ACA.

There is no guarantee we expand the court, esp day 1.

1) We have to win the Senate, or it's a moot point. If we don't take it back now, we have to wait at least until 2023.
2) Even if we do win, a complete judicial reform bill must be passed expanding the court and realigning the districts. That will require ending the filibuster which,in turn, will end the Senate as we knew it. Whether or not you believe that is the correct course, it is a MONUMENTAL change, and Senators are not going to take it lightly.


The filibuster is basically already dead. If the minority party can't use it to block a Supreme Court nomination that they find too extreme, then what is it good for? Just trash the whole thing already.
 
2020-09-28 10:10:54 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.


Yeah, this, Keep dreaming, subby.  And it's still possible that Trump will remain president.
 
2020-09-28 10:13:42 AM  
Just wait for Thomas to retire right after the election and Trump get's a 4th pick. Let us hope that Bryer survives through Jan or he might get 5.
 
2020-09-28 10:15:52 AM  

Mad_Radhu: GardenWeasel: bdub77: GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.

SCOTUS goes 7-6 for ACA.

There is no guarantee we expand the court, esp day 1.

1) We have to win the Senate, or it's a moot point. If we don't take it back now, we have to wait at least until 2023.
2) Even if we do win, a complete judicial reform bill must be passed expanding the court and realigning the districts. That will require ending the filibuster which,in turn, will end the Senate as we knew it. Whether or not you believe that is the correct course, it is a MONUMENTAL change, and Senators are not going to take it lightly.

The filibuster is basically already dead. If the minority party can't use it to block a Supreme Court nomination that they find too extreme, then what is it good for? Just trash the whole thing already.


Consider what the GOP could have done w/o a filibuster in 2017/2018 when they held all branches of the government.
 
2020-09-28 10:16:28 AM  

Sophont: NuclearPenguins: AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.

bluejeansonfire: Democrats are on record rejecting making Medicare For All part of their platform. Biden is on record saying he'd veto it if it made it to his desk.

Let's not rewrite shiatty history just because people are getting adrenaline highs over SCOTUS.

TonySoprano: The establishment democrats will NEVER pass MedicareForAll... they are centrist republicans after all.

I see that team stupid is here in force this morning.

Can't defend your party's opposition to M4A, so you pretend criticism is illegitimate.


See this:

Hector_Lemans: How about we kick Trump out this November first. Then we'll talk about other stuff.

 
2020-09-28 10:16:48 AM  

Sophont: NuclearPenguins: AdmirableSnackbar: Or, more likely, ACB gets seated, the GOP destroys the ACA, and we spend the next 30 years on incrementalism again just to get back to another Republican health care plan similar to the ACA.

bluejeansonfire: Democrats are on record rejecting making Medicare For All part of their platform. Biden is on record saying he'd veto it if it made it to his desk.

Let's not rewrite shiatty history just because people are getting adrenaline highs over SCOTUS.

TonySoprano: The establishment democrats will NEVER pass MedicareForAll... they are centrist republicans after all.

I see that team stupid is here in force this morning.

Can't defend your party's opposition to M4A, so you pretend criticism is illegitimate.


LOL, Sophont totally nailed the Non-Nuclear Non-Flight bird with truth slap.

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2020-09-28 10:17:05 AM  

Busta Clown Shoes: Umm, them appointing a new SC justice is the war. That shiat lasts for much longer, like a generation.  The house/senate is the short term battle in this case.

This site is delusional sometimes.


Appointing Barrett is just another battle.  If Dems sweep in November, Biden can add 2 or 4 new justices to flip it back to progressive.

/Make it 21 justices
//Appoint 12 young, black women to SCOTUS
///Watch MAGAt heads explode
 
2020-09-28 10:17:15 AM  
Medicare for all will be struck down by this Supreme Court. In fact, Medicare itself is more likely to be struck down than any kind of healthcare reform passed by Democrats will be allowed to stand. The only semi-realistic chance for healthcare reform at this point is at the state level (and I'm not optimistic about that, either).
 
2020-09-28 10:18:55 AM  
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2020-09-28 10:20:29 AM  

GardenWeasel: Mad_Radhu: GardenWeasel: bdub77: GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.

SCOTUS goes 7-6 for ACA.

There is no guarantee we expand the court, esp day 1.

1) We have to win the Senate, or it's a moot point. If we don't take it back now, we have to wait at least until 2023.
2) Even if we do win, a complete judicial reform bill must be passed expanding the court and realigning the districts. That will require ending the filibuster which,in turn, will end the Senate as we knew it. Whether or not you believe that is the correct course, it is a MONUMENTAL change, and Senators are not going to take it lightly.

The filibuster is basically already dead. If the minority party can't use it to block a Supreme Court nomination that they find too extreme, then what is it good for? Just trash the whole thing already.

Consider what the GOP could have done w/o a filibuster in 2017/2018 when they held all branches of the government.


Are you suggesting a party which controls the government shouldn't be able to pursue it's agenda?
 
2020-09-28 10:20:51 AM  
Well the end state of the ACA was always a messy collapse and a replacement with universal healthcare.  The GOP is just pulling off the band-aid much quicker than would have happened naturally.

Although this is a really rough time to be ripping off that band-aid.
 
2020-09-28 10:21:55 AM  
Win the senate.
Kick out the filibuster or reform it to what it was - stand your ass up on the floor and talk.
Redo the rules for a simple majority vote.
Pass any goddamn thing you want, and have President Biden sign it.
Deal with the supremes later.

You want to fark around, republicans? Bet. Let's do this.
 
2020-09-28 10:23:38 AM  

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You make a compelling argument.
 
2020-09-28 10:24:06 AM  
So, maybe Biden wins the white house, democrats keep the house... That probably means the GOP will hold the senate for whatever reason. ACA will get scrapped, Dems won't be able to fix it because the voters let them down, again, the voters will blame the Dems, again, because that's just what we do. Republicans win midterms again because "democrats didnt do nuffin for me, they're just gop-lite!", and we go back to having nothing.

Oh well, at least having nothing is better than getting something, if that something was achieved incrementally. We can all agree on that I'm sure. Sorry about your preexisting conditions, but Hillary just wasn't going to make things better fast enough. Same with Joe, he won't usher in M4A day one, so I'll just stay home and trust the republicans to make my Healthcare choices for me. Goddamn I'm smart.
 
2020-09-28 10:24:36 AM  

BMFPitt: The GOP is just pulling off the band-aid


And then shooting the nation in the wound.
 
2020-09-28 10:25:36 AM  

g.fro: GardenWeasel: Mad_Radhu: GardenWeasel: bdub77: GardenWeasel: And a 6-3 SCOTUS will immediately declare it unconstitutional. In fact, they will declare medicine unconstitutional as the only treatment in 1780 was leaches.

SCOTUS goes 7-6 for ACA.

There is no guarantee we expand the court, esp day 1.

1) We have to win the Senate, or it's a moot point. If we don't take it back now, we have to wait at least until 2023.
2) Even if we do win, a complete judicial reform bill must be passed expanding the court and realigning the districts. That will require ending the filibuster which,in turn, will end the Senate as we knew it. Whether or not you believe that is the correct course, it is a MONUMENTAL change, and Senators are not going to take it lightly.

The filibuster is basically already dead. If the minority party can't use it to block a Supreme Court nomination that they find too extreme, then what is it good for? Just trash the whole thing already.

Consider what the GOP could have done w/o a filibuster in 2017/2018 when they held all branches of the government.

Are you suggesting a party which controls the government shouldn't be able to pursue it's agenda?


When said government was illegitimately put in place by a foreign power, yes.
 
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