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2020-09-28 9:41:58 AM  
Well he clearly has no faith in the defense (he's not wrong) but that was pretty farked up.

/His most famous play call (the "Philly Special" in the Super Bowl) was called by Nick Foles.
 
2020-09-28 9:50:55 AM  
Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.
 
2020-09-28 10:04:10 AM  

Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.


IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.
 
2020-09-28 10:04:52 AM  
Fire all special teamers and all special teams coaches, everywhere and at every level.

Never punt, never kick always go for it. To hell with FG's and always go for 2.

Every punt is a surrender. Stop that. I truly don't care that it is 4th and 47 from your own 1 yard line, go for it. If you punt they'll get the ball at your 40-ish yard line and have a short field to score from and they'll drink clock. You just surrendered points and time in a game where you need time to score points to win, but you'd rather surrender. The surrender is strong in so many coaches.
 
2020-09-28 10:05:18 AM  
Regardless of his rationale, ties suck and they shouldn't be a thing in the NFL anymore.
 
2020-09-28 10:07:34 AM  

Dafatone: Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

"If Wentz throws incomplete, there's maybe 10 or 11 seconds left, the Bengals are just inside midfield, and they have no timeouts."

"And they have a kicker - Randy Bullock - who's 3-for-11 in his nine-year career from 52 yards and out."

"...

with a rookie quarterback..."

Hmmm.  I'm going with:  This was a brilliant call...if this was Dan Quinn.
 
2020-09-28 10:07:43 AM  

Count_Crackula: Regardless of his rationale, ties suck and they shouldn't be a thing in the NFL anymore.


Is that you, Donovan?
 
2020-09-28 10:09:28 AM  

balfourk: Fire all special teamers and all special teams coaches, everywhere and at every level.

Never punt, never kick always go for it. To hell with FG's and always go for 2.

Every punt is a surrender. Stop that. I truly don't care that it is 4th and 47 from your own 1 yard line, go for it. If you punt they'll get the ball at your 40-ish yard line and have a short field to score from and they'll drink clock. You just surrendered points and time in a game where you need time to score points to win, but you'd rather surrender. The surrender is strong in so many coaches.


I look forward to reading your strategy book on chess, titled: The Pawns Don't Matter At All, Just Let them Get Captured

There are small parts of the game that are incredibly important for winning.
 
2020-09-28 10:11:00 AM  
A punt gives you no chance to lose. Going for it gives you a chance to lose.

/actually not true, the punt could be blocked or returned
 
2020-09-28 10:17:28 AM  

johnny_vegas: Well he clearly has no faith in the defense (he's not wrong) but that was pretty farked up.

/His most famous play call (the "Philly Special" in the Super Bowl) was called by Nick Foles.


My friend is a huge Eagles fan and I've been telling him for years that they got rid of the wrong QB.
 
2020-09-28 10:17:32 AM  
IDK, his explanation seemed reasonable.  Seems like big picture he just didn't trust his defense as much as the fans do.  There are a some other things in football I don't understand.

1) Why do coaches on teams down a few points with a few minutes left hold onto their timeouts when the other team is milking the clock.  The best possible trade if you need to conserve time is to save ~40 seconds with a timeout.  So take that trade every chance you get which should hopefully never be when your team has the ball.

2) Why does the team fielding the ball surround the ball after they've decided to just let it roll?  Literally the only thing you can do at this point is f*ck up.  You can't help, you can only hurt.  Just walk the f*ck away.
 
2020-09-28 10:19:07 AM  

Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.


That assumes there isn't a bad snap, fumble, sack, interception with a big return, etc...

It was the smart choice, even though armchair quarterbacks disagreed.
 
2020-09-28 10:24:34 AM  

phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.


with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?
 
2020-09-28 10:26:39 AM  

Ishkur: My friend is a huge Eagles fan and I've been telling him for years that they got rid of the wrong QB.


Said this as well.

The thing is a 10-5-1 team goes to the playoffs over a 10-6 team (IIRC).  Granted the Eagles getting anywhere near ten wins this season is looking doubtful.
 
2020-09-28 10:30:09 AM  
Nick foles still cooking
 
2020-09-28 10:30:29 AM  

Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?


If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.
 
2020-09-28 10:36:46 AM  

phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.


So, you're saying the Bengals would have gone for the win despite:  "And they have a kicker - Randy Bullock - who's 3-for-11 in his nine-year career from 52 yards and out."?
 
2020-09-28 10:37:56 AM  
The guy wrote a book titled, "Fearless." He has a kicker who gave them a game winning 60+ yard field goal kick only a few years ago. His team is wholly lacking in mojo and momentum. Going for the tie tells your team you think they suck so bad that they're more likely to find a way to lose to a rookie qb, with about 10 seconds on the clock, no timeouts, on the far side of midfield, than they are to win.

Awful call.
 
2020-09-28 10:38:34 AM  

lennavan: 2) Why does the team fielding the ball surround the ball after they've decided to just let it roll?


Every kick must end with a possession (unless the ball goes out of bounds), but kickoffs and punts have two different rulesets.

- A kickoff, otherwise known as a free kick, as in once it goes 10 yards anyone on either team can grab it. Before it goes 10 yards only the receiving team can grab it, but they usually don't because they know the kicking team cannot (see: Falcons last week).

- A punt, otherwise known as a scrimmage kick, unlike kickoffs once the ball passes the line of scrimmage the kicking team cannot recover it at all. If the receiving team declines to take possession of the ball, the kicking team can end the kick by taking possession, and that is where the receiving team will start their series of downs.

There are two corollaries that apply to all kicks:

- Once the ball is muffed (ie: touched) by the receiving team, it then becomes a live ball and anyone on either team can grab it. That is normally what the kicking team is trying to do on punts: They send a speedy guy -- a gunner -- to try and force the punt returner to muff the ball, to recover the ball if it is muffed, or tackle the returner if it isn't. This happens surprisingly often.

- The other corollary is the fair catch, which can be called on any kick but it is rarely called on kickoffs. Basically, the returner can signal to the refs that he is making a fair catch of any ball kicked in the air that has not touched the ground. This gives him immunity from contact, but he gives up the right to advance with the ball. The play is over when he catches it (or muffs it and it is recovered by somebody).
 
2020-09-28 10:40:51 AM  

youngandstupid: The guy wrote a book titled, "Fearless." He has a kicker who gave them a game winning 60+ yard field goal kick only a few years ago. His team is wholly lacking in mojo and momentum. Going for the tie tells your team you think they suck so bad that they're more likely to find a way to lose to a rookie qb, with about 10 seconds on the clock, no timeouts, on the far side of midfield, than they are to win.

Awful call.


They're stuck with the Red Menace (Andy Dalton 2.0) for the forseeable future so they aren't winning shiat.
 
2020-09-28 10:45:49 AM  
Obviously, he was playing not to lose.  But on the other hand, I presume they could have made the first down and had time to clock the ball and be in decent field goal range. Neither of these things could have happened.  They could have not made the first down, they could have made the first down and had time expire anyway, or made the first down and still missed a field goal. He seems to have little confidence in his defense without coming right out and saying it.
 
2020-09-28 10:48:50 AM  

Magnus: phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.

So, you're saying the Bengals would have gone for the win despite:  "And they have a kicker - Randy Bullock - who's 3-for-11 in his nine-year career from 52 yards and out."?


Why not? If the Eagles tried it, why wouldn't they?
 
2020-09-28 10:53:35 AM  
FTFA:  "What's the worst that can happen?  If Wentz throws incomplete, there's maybe 10 or 11 seconds left, the Bengals are just inside midfield, and they have no timeouts."

I would argue that Wentz throwing a pick-6 would be a worse result than that.  That's not an opinion on what the Eagles should have done, this part of the article just bugged me.
 
2020-09-28 10:56:19 AM  
Doug figured that with a tie, he could steal a march on the NFC East.

He was right.
 
2020-09-28 10:57:14 AM  

Polish Hussar: FTFA:  "What's the worst that can happen?  If Wentz throws incomplete, there's maybe 10 or 11 seconds left, the Bengals are just inside midfield, and they have no timeouts."

I would argue that Wentz throwing a pick-6 would be a worse result than that.  That's not an opinion on what the Eagles should have done, this part of the article just bugged me.


I don't see that the Iggles had a choice at that point.  A blocked FG is a real possibility over 50 yards.
 
2020-09-28 11:01:09 AM  
Except for a couple of great comebacks the nfc east would have no wins so he is kinda like half an game behind
 
2020-09-28 11:07:05 AM  
I was wondering about that. But I'm no football guy, so I thought to myself, "Self, you're no football guy. He probably knows what he's doing."
 
2020-09-28 11:12:12 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Polish Hussar: FTFA:  "What's the worst that can happen?  If Wentz throws incomplete, there's maybe 10 or 11 seconds left, the Bengals are just inside midfield, and they have no timeouts."

I would argue that Wentz throwing a pick-6 would be a worse result than that.  That's not an opinion on what the Eagles should have done, this part of the article just bugged me.

I don't see that the Iggles had a choice at that point.  A blocked FG is a real possibility over 50 yards.


I wasn't trying to offer any opinion on what the Eagles should have done, anyone coming to me for coaching advice is an idiot.  I was just annoyed that the article's author apparently forgot that interceptions are a thing, so worse things can happen on a pass than an incomplete.  Not including the possibility of an interception struck me as a flaw in their critique.
 
2020-09-28 11:21:34 AM  

phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.


Your numbers are off.

The ball was on the Bengals' 47 yard line, so it would have been a 64 yard field goal attempt for the Eagles.

Had they missed then the Bengals would have gotten the ball on their own 47, making it a 70 yard attempt for them.
 
2020-09-28 11:21:39 AM  

phimuskapsi: Magnus: phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.

So, you're saying the Bengals would have gone for the win despite:  "And they have a kicker - Randy Bullock - who's 3-for-11 in his nine-year career from 52 yards and out."?

Why not? If the Eagles tried it, why wouldn't they?


Narrator:  "But they didn't."
 
2020-09-28 11:25:38 AM  

lennavan: 2) Why does the team fielding the ball surround the ball after they've decided to just let it roll?  Literally the only thing you can do at this point is f*ck up.  You can't help, you can only hurt.  Just walk the f*ck away.


Because it's a live ball and someone i. the opposing team can just pick it up and start running.
 
2020-09-28 11:36:51 AM  

WillofJ2: Except for a couple of great comebacks the nfc east would have no wins so he is kinda like half an game behind


One.

One comeback. The other was NFCE vs NFCE so it would've resulted in a win for SOMEone (unless they, too, tied).

/And the one win outside the division is a huge comeback against an 0-3 team
//just ban the division from the postseason
 
2020-09-28 11:37:22 AM  
Why not a hail Mary type pass?  The game won't end on a defensive penalty, and if it is picked off, it's like a punt.  Just have to make a tackle to prevent a pick 6.
 
2020-09-28 11:39:47 AM  

IAmRight: WillofJ2: Except for a couple of great comebacks the nfc east would have no wins so he is kinda like half an game behind

One.

One comeback. The other was NFCE vs NFCE so it would've resulted in a win for SOMEone (unless they, too, tied).

/And the one win outside the division is a huge comeback against an 0-3 team
//just ban the division from the postseason


Ah thats right the "Washington football team/club/organization" beat the eagles
 
2020-09-28 11:45:17 AM  

Count_Crackula: Regardless of his rationale, ties suck and they shouldn't be a thing in the NFL anymore.


Never should have compared something to kissing your sister if you didn't someone playing a sport that's highly popular in the South to try it.
 
2020-09-28 11:47:03 AM  
And lo, Joe Burrow get's his first NFL ... er, non-loss!
 
2020-09-28 11:53:43 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.

Your numbers are off.

The ball was on the Bengals' 47 yard line, so it would have been a 64 yard field goal attempt for the Eagles.

Had they missed then the Bengals would have gotten the ball on their own 47, making it a 70 yard attempt for them.


Uh, this is the NFL. A missed field goal results in the defending team taking possession at the spot of the kick. If they were at the Bengals 47, the kick would be from about the Bengals 40 giving the Bengals possession there and a 57 yard field goal attempt.
 
2020-09-28 11:56:01 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: lennavan: 2) Why does the team fielding the ball surround the ball after they've decided to just let it roll?  Literally the only thing you can do at this point is f*ck up.  You can't help, you can only hurt.  Just walk the f*ck away.

Because it's a live ball and someone i. the opposing team can just pick it up and start running.


Not on a punt in the NFL. And on a kickoff you would see the receiving team pick up the ball to avoid this.
 
2020-09-28 12:04:41 PM  
A tie is better than a loss. At the end of the season, this tie might be the difference that gets them into the playoffs.
 
2020-09-28 12:15:51 PM  
Either way it's hilarious[ly bad] that the WFT is still in 1st place with a 1-2 record. :P
 
2020-09-28 12:21:31 PM  

bingethinker: A tie is better than a loss. At the end of the season, this tie might be the difference that gets them into the playoffs.


You haven't watched this team play to be talking about the playoffs. They are so bad, from top to bottom. The NFC East is bad enough they have a shot a the playoffs, but that'd be with a 5-11 record. They need cheap, young talent. Build through the draft after firing Howie. They're stuck with Wentz for at least another year, so really they need to do that this and next draft. Ugh.
 
2020-09-28 12:27:04 PM  

Ishkur: lennavan: 2) Why does the team fielding the ball surround the ball after they've decided to just let it roll?

Every kick must end with a possession (unless the ball goes out of bounds), but kickoffs and punts have two different rulesets.

- A kickoff, otherwise known as a free kick, as in once it goes 10 yards anyone on either team can grab it. Before it goes 10 yards only the receiving team can grab it, but they usually don't because they know the kicking team cannot (see: Falcons last week).

- A punt, otherwise known as a scrimmage kick, unlike kickoffs once the ball passes the line of scrimmage the kicking team cannot recover it at all. If the receiving team declines to take possession of the ball, the kicking team can end the kick by taking possession, and that is where the receiving team will start their series of downs.

There are two corollaries that apply to all kicks:

- Once the ball is muffed (ie: touched) by the receiving team, it then becomes a live ball and anyone on either team can grab it. That is normally what the kicking team is trying to do on punts: They send a speedy guy -- a gunner -- to try and force the punt returner to muff the ball, to recover the ball if it is muffed, or tackle the returner if it isn't. This happens surprisingly often.

- The other corollary is the fair catch, which can be called on any kick but it is rarely called on kickoffs. Basically, the returner can signal to the refs that he is making a fair catch of any ball kicked in the air that has not touched the ground. This gives him immunity from contact, but he gives up the right to advance with the ball. The play is over when he catches it (or muffs it and it is recovered by somebody).


Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Because it's a live ball and someone i. the opposing team can just pick it up and start running.


Clearly my bad, I should have specified in that one I was talking about punts.  The first version of that post was much lengthier and in chopping it down I chopped that part out.  But you guys could have given me the benefit of the doubt and assumed I was talking about punts.
 
2020-09-28 12:28:11 PM  

youngandstupid: Build through the draft after firing Howie.


That's probably not going to happen. Howie is, for whatever reason, Lurie's bestest bud, and has been since late in Andy Reid's reign. (I still partially blame Howie for the absolutely disaster that was the 2010 and 2011 drafts - 24 picks total, only 2 players that came from them.) He had one good, very lucky year, mostly based around free agents, and a team that played out of its mind. But that's enough for Lurie to justify keeping him around for another few years.
 
2020-09-28 12:31:16 PM  

WillofJ2: Nick foles still cooking


Nick Foles is at best a young Ryan Fitzpatrick. The reason he's not a starter from the jump is because he can't win the job, then he comes in, lights it up for a while, makes bank, gets cut or traded, repeat ad infinitum. His only real success came in an Eagles uniform, and Wentz was better in every way.

What's happening this year is the aftermath of giving the fans what they wanted. Roseman made moves to deliver a Super Bowl, and he did. Now they're thin and the injury bug is killing them. Wentz isn't the problem. The problem is that he's getting killed weekly.

Not that I'm unhappy about their struggles. In fact, I'm enjoying it. A lot. The lamentations and self-loathing of Eagles fans is music to my ears. But as a football fan, objectively speaking, the Eagles made the right choice by keeping Wentz. He's simply better than Foles. Too bad the team can't protect him, he deserves better.
 
2020-09-28 12:32:09 PM  
The punt is actually riskier.

If that punt gets blocked there aren't any DBs behind you.

I would have run it right down the middle. The DBs and most of the LBs would edge to the side. That leaves a seam down the middle. The defense would be ready for the pass since they needed 12 yards and they would be locking down the sidelines. Run down the center, get the first down, spike the ball, then decide whether it will be a Hail Mary or long FG.
 
2020-09-28 12:39:30 PM  

dywed88: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.

Your numbers are off.

The ball was on the Bengals' 47 yard line, so it would have been a 64 yard field goal attempt for the Eagles.

Had they missed then the Bengals would have gotten the ball on their own 47, making it a 70 yard attempt for them.

Uh, this is the NFL. A missed field goal results in the defending team taking possession at the spot of the kick. If they were at the Bengals 47, the kick would be from about the Bengals 40 giving the Bengals possession there and a 57 yard field goal attempt.


Closer, but still not quite there.  Eagles had it on the Bengals 47, so the attempt would come from the Eagles 45 yard line for a 65 yard attempt.  If they missed, the Bengals would get it on the Eagles 45, which would make theirs a 63 yard kick.
 
2020-09-28 12:40:19 PM  

bingethinker: A tie is better than a loss. At the end of the season, this tie might be the difference that gets them into the playoffs.


A win is better than a tie. At the end of the season this tie might be the difference that keeps them out of the playoffs.

I don't necessarily have an issue with this decision, it would depend on how your offence and defence were preforming (and based on what I can see this can be summed up as "badly" at this stage of the game although I never watched it). But your comment is not a good argument unless you are late in the season and a tie is clearly putting you in a better position. Basically you have a low chance of winning and a small chance of losing going for it and you need to balance those which I don't have the info to do.
 
2020-09-28 12:45:25 PM  

dywed88: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.

Your numbers are off.

The ball was on the Bengals' 47 yard line, so it would have been a 64 yard field goal attempt for the Eagles.

Had they missed then the Bengals would have gotten the ball on their own 47, making it a 70 yard attempt for them.

Uh, this is the NFL. A missed field goal results in the defending team taking possession at the spot of the kick. If they were at the Bengals 47, the kick would be from about the Bengals 40 giving the Bengals possession there and a 57 yard field goal attempt.


Still off then. If the ball was spotted on the Bengals 47, then the Eagles kick would have been made from their own 46.

So if the Bengals then took over, their attempt would have been 63 yards.

So essentially would have just swapped field position. And neither kicker was making that kick yesterday.
 
2020-09-28 12:57:42 PM  

Levian: dywed88: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: phimuskapsi: Magorn: phimuskapsi: Dafatone: Meh. That seems reasonable. I tend to tell teams to go for it, but 4th and 12 is a pretty big ask.

You fail, Bengals have the ball at midfield and about 13 seconds or so.

IIRC the option was a 60 something yard FG, so if they turned it over it would have been 50 or so for the other team.

with 13 seconds left.   you can't count on your D for 13 seconds of stop, cut the whole squad.

DO you people realize that right now the Washington No-Names are atop the NFC East leaderboard, and are on clutch kick from Dallas away from being the only team in the division with a W?

If they missed a 62 yard FG, it puts the Bengals on the Eagles 48, which is a 58 yard FG for the Bengals without any plays being run. You essentially hand them a chance to kick it immediately with no time loss. It's smarter to punt, counter-intuitive, but the smart move.

Your numbers are off.

The ball was on the Bengals' 47 yard line, so it would have been a 64 yard field goal attempt for the Eagles.

Had they missed then the Bengals would have gotten the ball on their own 47, making it a 70 yard attempt for them.

Uh, this is the NFL. A missed field goal results in the defending team taking possession at the spot of the kick. If they were at the Bengals 47, the kick would be from about the Bengals 40 giving the Bengals possession there and a 57 yard field goal attempt.

Closer, but still not quite there.  Eagles had it on the Bengals 47, so the attempt would come from the Eagles 45 yard line for a 65 yard attempt.  If they missed, the Bengals would get it on the Eagles 45, which would make theirs a 63 yard kick.


Thanks. I don't know how I had that messed up so badly (wrong direction plus bad math). It should be dirt simple, the second kick is from the original line of scrimmage because the gains on the missed field goal is the same as the snap distance on the second kick.

Either way, a field goal probably wasn't a real possibility, it is farm more likely to cost you the game on a black than to win it. After all, 64 yards is the longest ever.

You would need a 13 plus yard pass to the sideline and get out of bounds Followed by a long (but reasonable) kick. Which I don't think is that likely for the Eagles by then. If you miss it without a catastrophe (ie not a big sack or an INT returned for a TD) they get a Hail Mary. If it fails catastrophically, you lose.

I would go for it in a vacuum, but depending on game performance I could easily change my mind.
 
2020-09-28 12:59:46 PM  
The most cowardly coaching decision I've seen in many an age.
 
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