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2020-09-28 2:31:47 AM  
At the decision of the Government, martial law and general mobilization is being declared in the Republic of #Armenia. I call on the personnel attached to the troops to present themselves to their district commissariats.


For the fatherland, for victory.
- Nikol Pashinyan (@NikolPashinyan) September 27, 2020
 
2020-09-28 3:20:58 AM  
Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....
 
2020-09-28 4:48:06 AM  
I don't know enough to declare the rights and wrongs of this dispute, but it's not surprising that Turkey is butting in at the prospect of killing Armenians. Seems to be a thing with them.
 
2020-09-28 5:35:04 AM  
I'm sure Picard will arrive soon to protect Baku.
 
2020-09-28 5:44:05 AM  

optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....


Election 2020 is wondering why you don't make eye contact anymore.
 
2020-09-28 5:45:29 AM  
Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war
 
2020-09-28 5:52:26 AM  
Send in a sextet of Shoggoths and we got ourselves a quorum.
 
2020-09-28 5:53:51 AM  
Also, a guy could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that.
 
2020-09-28 5:54:09 AM  
Caucasians always starting shiat
 
2020-09-28 5:59:00 AM  
Never Get Involved in a Land War in Asia
Youtube YmT0_hKSUrw
 
2020-09-28 5:59:35 AM  
Not a repeat of 1915.
 
2020-09-28 5:59:50 AM  
Nagorno, please.
 
2020-09-28 6:01:46 AM  
I lack any background knowledge of the situation and thus cannot form an opinion on this issue.
 
2020-09-28 6:03:09 AM  

somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war


Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.
 
2020-09-28 6:10:54 AM  

SaintAnky: I lack any background knowledge of the situation and thus cannot form an opinion on this issue.


One of the handful of times this sentence has ever been posted on the internet. Rarer than, "yes, your team happened to play better" and "no, i don't want to see that Malta-based lesbian acrobat pornography"
 
2020-09-28 6:13:51 AM  
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2020-09-28 6:15:03 AM  

orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.


Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to
 
2020-09-28 6:17:31 AM  
And yes, I am going to laugh rather than cry, because they have Xi and Putin, honed in secret services, and we have...


farking Clownshoes.
 
2020-09-28 6:18:51 AM  

orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.


Don't be so sure about that.

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2020-09-28 6:22:29 AM  
TFA says that the Trump administration is concerned with the situation. Which does, if I'm not being overly optimistic (I totally am) present one possible long shot. Maybe, just maybe both sides will bond over shared laughter at Jared farking Kushner's ineptitude enough to decide that this whole war lark isn't worth bothering with after all.
 
2020-09-28 6:23:10 AM  

somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to


Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.
 
2020-09-28 6:23:42 AM  
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2020-09-28 6:23:46 AM  

optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....


1.  Nationalist war*
2. Caucasus, not near East
3. Just like 94-2000.

Armenia is majority Christian, closely aligned with Georgia, but also on very good terms with neighboring Iran. And Russia. And the United States. Azerbaijan is majority Shia Muslim, but clashes with Iran, most closely aligned with other Turkic countries (and Russia).  Like Armenia, it is also on good terms with the United States.

Once you get into the former USSR, it gets very tangled, and the "rules" of ethnic and religious lines don't always make sense.  This is 99% a territorial pissing between former Soviet states still stretching their ethnic/nationalist legs and par for the course in the Caucasus. (See Ossetia, Abkhazia, Chechnya, Dagestan)
 
2020-09-28 6:25:31 AM  

SaintAnky: I lack any background knowledge of the situation and thus cannot form an opinion on this issue.


Oh, come on. This is Fark. Have at it.😁
 
2020-09-28 6:27:28 AM  
Oh, and did I mention they control the Bosphorous?
 
2020-09-28 6:40:47 AM  

Gordon Bennett: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Don't be so sure about that.

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The closest parallel is to the 1994-2000 war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over (checks notes) Nagorny-Karabakh. Belligerents with allies that are much larger and have their own local shiat to deal with and no interest in seeing this spiral outside of its tight confines.

Okay, not so much a parallel as a 21st century reboot.
 
2020-09-28 6:43:57 AM  

maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.


They don't have access to the nukes.
 
2020-09-28 7:04:59 AM  

somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.

They don't have access to the nukes.


They have physical access to the nukes. Inclirik is also THE staging area for the US in the Middle East and Asia. Iraq and Afghanistan all went through Turkey. You bet your bippy someone at the Pentagon cares about this.
 
2020-09-28 7:06:47 AM  

optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....


... Why do you think this is a religious conflict?
 
2020-09-28 7:15:43 AM  

Felgraf: optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....

... Why do you think this is a religious conflict?


Because he's a bigoted idiot.
 
2020-09-28 7:20:46 AM  
Jared Kushner is promising F35s to those who cease hostilities.  F18s if they cease hostilities now.
Civilian killing cluster bombs?  Sure I can get those to you if you pinky swear not to use them until after Daddy in Law is out of office. Oh, 2020, 2024, maybe 2028.
 
2020-09-28 7:24:00 AM  

somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war


This is an ongoing conflict that regularly flares up except when it was brutally suppressed by the Soviet Union.   Even then, in the later stages, it flared up (1988).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno​-​Karabakh#Soviet_era

Seriously, they've had fighting there from 1988 to 1994, and again in 2016.   You didn't notice that last one because you were engaged in fighting Literally Hitler here in the US, and losing.
 
2020-09-28 7:25:51 AM  

maxheck: somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.

They don't have access to the nukes.

They have physical access to the nukes. Inclirik is also THE staging area for the US in the Middle East and Asia. Iraq and Afghanistan all went through Turkey. You bet your bippy someone at the Pentagon cares about this.


I'm not denying there are nukes in country, but you're daft if you don't think we'll shoot them on site if they try to take it over
 
2020-09-28 7:28:53 AM  

Izunbacol: Armenia is majority Christian, closely aligned with Georgia, but also on very good terms with neighboring Iran.


What a maroon you are! EVERYONE knows Mississippi is next to Georgia!
 
2020-09-28 7:30:13 AM  

somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.

They don't have access to the nukes.

They have physical access to the nukes. Inclirik is also THE staging area for the US in the Middle East and Asia. Iraq and Afghanistan all went through Turkey. You bet your bippy someone at the Pentagon cares about this.

I'm not denying there are nukes in country, but you're daft if you don't think we'll shoot them on site if they try to take it over


Which could probably be fixed without emptying an entire clip.

I get where you're going, but I think the odds are against someone on a foreign base.
 
2020-09-28 7:32:47 AM  
The U.S. Army used maps of that region and this issue as final exercise for their Command and General Staff College (the course for Majors who want to be Lieutenant Colonels) for more than 15 years that I am certain of. Since the 1990s, I believe.

A whole bunch of senior Army officers are saying "What did I do with those maps? HONEY! WHERE DID YOU PUT THAT BOX WITH MY CGSC STUFF?!"
 
2020-09-28 7:38:58 AM  

optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....


Felgraf: ... Why do you think this is a religious conflict?


maxheck: Because he's a bigoted idiot.


Maybe, and I am just spitballing here, because Azerbaijan is predominately Muslim, Armenia is Christian, and Nagorno-Karabakh is home to a Russian Orthodox pilgrimage site.
Not to mention that the Turks have attempted genocide on those Armenian infidels in the past.
 
2020-09-28 7:39:04 AM  


Armenia you're a  landlocked country in the South Caucasus region of Eurasia
Your economy is primarily based on industrial output and mineral extraction
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2020-09-28 7:46:10 AM  

Laobaojun: optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....

Felgraf: ... Why do you think this is a religious conflict?

maxheck: Because he's a bigoted idiot.

Maybe, and I am just spitballing here, because Azerbaijan is predominately Muslim, Armenia is Christian, and Nagorno-Karabakh is home to a Russian Orthodox pilgrimage site.
Not to mention that the Turks have attempted genocide on those Armenian infidels in the past.


Yeah, that never happened. Just ask them.

Also, past history informs that yes, he is in fact a bigoted idiot.
 
2020-09-28 7:51:07 AM  

Felgraf: optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....

... Why do you think this is a religious conflict?


Christian Armenians vs Muslim Azerbaijanis, though like Northern Ireland there is probably a lot more to the tribal squabbles than simply religion.
 
2020-09-28 7:51:56 AM  

maxheck: Laobaojun: optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....

Felgraf: ... Why do you think this is a religious conflict?

maxheck: Because he's a bigoted idiot.

Maybe, and I am just spitballing here, because Azerbaijan is predominately Muslim, Armenia is Christian, and Nagorno-Karabakh is home to a Russian Orthodox pilgrimage site.
Not to mention that the Turks have attempted genocide on those Armenian infidels in the past.

Yeah, that never happened. Just ask them.

Also, past history informs that yes, he is in fact a bigoted idiot.


Even a broken clock and all that.
Fun trivia: the word "genocide" was coined to describe what the Turks did to the Armenians.
 
2020-09-28 7:54:03 AM  
Kim Kardashian thinks she's such a great negotiator, let trump send her and her entire family over.
 
2020-09-28 7:55:42 AM  

maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.


How do they have nukes suddenly?
 
2020-09-28 7:57:07 AM  

orbister: Felgraf: optikeye: Oh look, another religious conflict in the 'near east' ....

... Why do you think this is a religious conflict?

Christian Armenians vs Muslim Azerbaijanis, though like Northern Ireland there is probably a lot more to the tribal squabbles than simply religion.


The pilgramage sites in Nagorno Karabakh add to the fun.
 
2020-09-28 7:57:17 AM  

maxheck: Oh, and did I mention they control the Bosphorous?


No you didn't.

And they don't either.

You just make random stuff up?
 
2020-09-28 7:58:51 AM  

somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.

They don't have access to the nukes.

They have physical access to the nukes. Inclirik is also THE staging area for the US in the Middle East and Asia. Iraq and Afghanistan all went through Turkey. You bet your bippy someone at the Pentagon cares about this.

I'm not denying there are nukes in country, but you're daft if you don't think we'll shoot them on site if they try to take it over


Wouldn't nukes in Turkey violate the deal USA made with the Soviet Union over Cuba?
 
2020-09-28 8:03:20 AM  

TheManofPA: SaintAnky: I lack any background knowledge of the situation and thus cannot form an opinion on this issue.

One of the handful of times this sentence has ever been posted on the internet. Rarer than, "yes, your team happened to play better" and "no, i don't want to see that Malta-based lesbian acrobat pornography"


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. I am going to very sparingly insert that sentence into threads where it totally doesn't belong and just see how it rolls.
 
2020-09-28 8:03:33 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.

How do they have nukes suddenly?


https://www.nti.org/learn/countries/t​u​rkey/
 
2020-09-28 8:03:44 AM  
This is like the Hatfield's & McCoy's of the Caucasus.
 
2020-09-28 8:03:49 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: maxheck: somedude210: orbister: somedude210: Putin is already sending in troops to help Armenia. If the Turks then help Azerbaijan by sending in their troops to support, we're looking at the start of a helluva war

Vicious local conflict. Can't see a major international conflict arising out of 1.1 Rhode Island's (UK equivalent: 21% of Wales') worth of ancient tribal antipathy.

Turkey is still part of NATO. I agree that if they're foolish enough to get involved then we should ditch them to their own devices but there's still a risk this gets bigger than we would like it to

Turkey has nukes and an airbase in the middle of Central Asia. Also a psychopatchic President / king.

They don't have access to the nukes.

They have physical access to the nukes. Inclirik is also THE staging area for the US in the Middle East and Asia. Iraq and Afghanistan all went through Turkey. You bet your bippy someone at the Pentagon cares about this.

I'm not denying there are nukes in country, but you're daft if you don't think we'll shoot them on site if they try to take it over

Wouldn't nukes in Turkey violate the deal USA made with the Soviet Union over Cuba?


Those were specifically Jupiter missiles that were set to be scrapped anyway. There was nothing about not putting new missiles in Turkey
 
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