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2020-09-27 3:31:50 PM  
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2020-09-27 3:35:43 PM  
Here's hoping they're all Red Hats.  Scum.
 
2020-09-27 4:13:00 PM  
Labor day + return to school/college
 
2020-09-27 4:20:06 PM  
Whew, good thing Florida is re-opening.
 
2020-09-27 4:21:01 PM  

GardenWeasel: Labor day + return to school/college


This week many Republican governors are lifting the restrictions on bar and restaurant occupancy.  I predict an even higher spike in a few weeks.
 
2020-09-27 4:23:54 PM  

BizarreMan: GardenWeasel: Labor day + return to school/college

This week many Republican governors are lifting the restrictions on bar and restaurant occupancy.  I predict an even higher spike in a few weeks.


Yep. It's going to be constantly increasing thru January.
 
2020-09-27 4:26:40 PM  

Sin'sHero: Whew, good thing Florida is re-opening.


Yep. These people are so dumb, they're going to make it impossible to safely go to the polls, which will disproportionately hurt... themselves. You couldn't draw this up any better.
 
2020-09-27 4:37:37 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Sin'sHero: Whew, good thing Florida is re-opening.

Yep. These people are so dumb, they're going to make it impossible to safely go to the polls, which will disproportionately hurt... themselves. You couldn't draw this up any better.


It's all intentional. The areas hardest hit will be the cities, so they will get  emergency lockdown measures right before the election, while the rural areas will be free to go about their business.
 
2020-09-27 4:42:58 PM  
A friend is manager level for contact tracing in our red state.  It is a shiat show of aholes refusing to quarantine themselves or their children.  Both as 'close contacts' or with active infections.  Infected kids going to daycare or playing sports.

It's why my kids are remote learning and I double mask at work (a neck gaiter under a regular mask).
 
2020-09-27 7:12:16 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Here's hoping they're all Red Hats.  Scum.


Actually.
MAGA hats stop the Virus. But, the mask nose wire stops the hats anti Virus powers.
That's why people who are MAGA asses don't wear mask. But they're too egotistical to tell their friends and family.
Their not actually against mask. They just don't want people to know that the red hat cures c19
I means stops. It.
You did not know?
All the hats are washed in the pee of non-aborted white Christian babies

P.S. none of the above is medical advice and please consult a real doctor.
The FDA didn't not preview this message.  And would disagree. I hope.
 
2020-09-27 7:12:57 PM  
We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.
 
2020-09-27 7:14:14 PM  
Think labor day is bad, imagine if we don't get a handle on this before Thanksgiving or Christmas, which is unlikely to happen.
 
2020-09-27 7:15:32 PM  
Just as all the economists and Nate Silver predicted!

/just kidding
// trust your epidemiologists and infectious control specialists folks
 
2020-09-27 7:16:10 PM  

gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.


We don't even seem to be doing that.

"Herd Immunity" is code for DGAF.
 
2020-09-27 7:17:30 PM  

waxbeans: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Here's hoping they're all Red Hats.  Scum.

Actually.
MAGA hats stop the Virus. But, the mask nose wire stops the hats anti Virus powers.
That's why people who are MAGA asses don't wear mask. But they're too egotistical to tell their friends and family.
Their not actually against mask. They just don't want people to know that the red hat cures c19
I means stops. It.
You did not know?
All the hats are washed in the pee of non-aborted white Christian babies

P.S. none of the above is medical advice and please consult a real doctor.
The FDA didn't not preview this message.  And would disagree. I hope.


Dude, get help.
 
2020-09-27 7:19:18 PM  
phake gnus!
 
2020-09-27 7:19:31 PM  
Can't spell "dumbass" without U-S-A.
 
2020-09-27 7:22:56 PM  

gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.


Herd immunity is a planned, intentional state involving active public health tools. It's not a way to do absolutely nothing and let's just see what happens strategy. The sooner people stop referring to what the Trump administration is doing (i.e. nothing) as working toward "herd immunity', the better off we'll be.
 
2020-09-27 7:23:38 PM  
People gathering and not taking proper precaution during a pandemic?!

It's a real mystery why this is happening.
 
2020-09-27 7:24:39 PM  
Lets see that graph all the way to the bottom
 
2020-09-27 7:29:03 PM  

BizarreMan: GardenWeasel: Labor day + return to school/college

This week many Republican governors are lifting the restrictions on bar and restaurant occupancy.  I predict an even higher spike in a few weeks.


"Pro-life" my ass.
 
2020-09-27 7:29:45 PM  

cSquids: Think labor day is bad, imagine if we don't get a handle on this before Thanksgiving or Christmas, which is unlikely to happen.


Halloween parties, Thanksgiving dinners, Black Friday hoards of mouth breathers fighting, then holiday parties, NY Eve... The hits keep playing.
Make your plan yesterday, Farkers. The odds of getting sick are going up every day.
A mild case of Covid is a like a real bad Flu. Anything worse and you're probably going to the hospital.
Good luck, peeps!
 
2020-09-27 7:29:59 PM  
Kids went back to school; older kids went back to college.

No surprises here.

Worth noting:

Cases are up but deaths are down to 15 June levels

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2020-09-27 7:30:22 PM  

gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.


And we're 5 years away from herd immunity.
 
2020-09-27 7:31:41 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Here's hoping they're all Red Hats.  Scum.


Everybody Drink!

Boobies too!

Well done!
 
2020-09-27 7:34:10 PM  
As someone who is 24 hours away from ending the 10 day quarantine after a positive test and a mild case, I'm getting quite a kick.

Our great leader Doug Burgum just removed the requirement for close contacts to quarantine for any amount of time. While I was home on my quarantine I tried convincing the other half to go shopping without a mask on, maybe enjoy a cough or two, as is our right in the great shiat hole of North Dakota.

She was, of course, horrified by my suggestion. Selfish of her really. How will our economy ever survive if we don't get out there and consume?

/didn't really want her to go shopping.
/her test came back negative. She will be quarantined until Oct 12. Lol.
 
2020-09-27 7:34:58 PM  
While there's definitely a noticeable uptick, uptick, the chosen vertical axis of the graph in question is definitely misleading.

Here's the same graph with the Y-axis starting at zero:

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Or to make it more visible, scaled to the same aspect ratio as the original:
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/Don't get me wrong, there's definitely an increase, but to make it look at first glance like we went from "it was almost completely gone and now it's the end of the world" is a bit disingenuous.
//Lies, damn lies, and statistics
///Still, wear your damn masks, socially distance, and stop pretending that it's gone - DON'T keep hosting/attending parties and other group gatherings with people outside of your own immediate household!
 
2020-09-27 7:35:46 PM  

Pinner: cSquids: Think labor day is bad, imagine if we don't get a handle on this before Thanksgiving or Christmas, which is unlikely to happen.

Halloween parties, Thanksgiving dinners, Black Friday hoards of mouth breathers fighting, then holiday parties, NY Eve... The hits keep playing.
Make your plan yesterday, Farkers. The odds of getting sick are going up every day.
A mild case of Covid is a like a real bad Flu. Anything worse and you're probably going to the hospital.
Good luck, peeps!


Please don't like it to the flu. It's not, but it is a bs talking point by people trying to justify not caring about protecting themselves and others. It's those innocent others who matter.
 
2020-09-27 7:36:26 PM  

gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.


We're going to do jack, no matter how many millions of Americans die, whether we like it or not
 
2020-09-27 7:37:53 PM  

gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.


Getting to herd immunity without a vaccine means millions of dead Americans and likely millions more Americans with effectively permanent disabilities. That'a a truly awful prospect.
 
2020-09-27 7:39:21 PM  

Hachitori: Kids went back to school; older kids went back to college.

No surprises here.

Worth noting:

Cases are up but deaths are down to 15 June levels

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Hospitalizations trail infections, and deaths trail hospitalizations.
 
2020-09-27 7:40:08 PM  

Serious Black: gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.

Getting to herd immunity without a vaccine means millions of dead Americans and likely millions more Americans with effectively permanent disabilities. That'a a truly awful prospect.


Herd immunity may never be achieved without a vaccine.

Herd immunity was never achieved with smallpox.
 
2020-09-27 7:40:59 PM  

gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.


'Herd immunity' is not some simple default equilibrium. I think most people would say that 'we would like to get there' because then everyone would have what they want and nobody would have to make any sacrifice, such as wearing a mask or being inoculated with a vaccine.

The problems with the post are the assumptions that some herd immunity situation is inevitable, and that it will happen irrespective of what we do. I am not so sure. I think those are two wild assumptions to base policy on, for sure.

But even with the assumption that herd immunity is inevitable at some time in the future, there are plenty of things people can do to stretch out the economic damage and stretch out the damage to public health.

So I do not see the value in thinking in fatalistic terms. It ignores the sacrifices and good decisions that people CAN make, and it forgives people for sloppy, irrational behavior that harms others. As humans, we owe it to our species and society to make rational decisions and support rational policies.

The simple prescription of protecting high-risk populations might be impractical or impossible. Then what? That is why, at the very least, everyone should be doing everything possible to slow the spread of the disease, simply so that we have time to learn more about it. That simple strategy, which has been the GO TO strategy of WHO for many decades, has worked very well for every country that has used it.

Fatalism just encourages people to do nothing. Is that really the best humans can do?
 
2020-09-27 7:42:08 PM  

Notabunny: gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.

We're going to do jack, no matter how many millions of Americans die, whether we like it or not


If anything, the rock solid 40% approval rating that trump has been enjoying no matter how much he farks things up is clear evidence that a good chunk of the population doesn't give a flying fark about anything as long as they think that it's just those people who are getting screwed while it's business as usual for themselves.
 
2020-09-27 7:45:49 PM  

Hachitori: Cases are up but deaths are down to 15 June levels


"There's a thousand a day!"

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2020-09-27 7:46:11 PM  

gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.


Actual herd immunity is impossible without a vaccine, i thought.
 
2020-09-27 7:46:22 PM  
Well, yet another moment when it hurts more to be right. When  this is all over, I might no longer feel smug when I am right about things.

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2020-09-27 7:47:04 PM  
I just thought of another problem with a policy of fatalism.

It makes collective action or coordinated action impossible. A society that can coordinate itself effectively is probably going to have better outcomes than anarchy in a pandemic situation. Even if a policy is wrong initially, it can be corrected if people work collectively and learn.

Fatalism and surrender might be the best that animals can hope for. But I was born a human.
 
2020-09-27 7:47:43 PM  

Hachitori: Kids went back to school; older kids went back to college.

No surprises here.

Worth noting:

Cases are up but deaths are down to 15 June levels

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deaths follow case increases 4-6 weeks later i thought?
 
2020-09-27 7:48:07 PM  
Fears, subby?  "Fears," really? 

More like easily extrapolated possibility based on 6 months of historic precedent that this is exactly what our populace would do. The only people who feared anything were those delusional enough to think anything would have changed changed.
 
2020-09-27 7:49:25 PM  

PangolinPatientZero: gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.

Actual herd immunity is impossible without a vaccine, i thought.


Well, with a few hundred years of lots and lots of deaths, eventually there will be approximately a century where nearly-everyone who dies of Covid is under the age for having babies. Their genes won't be passed on. After that it will be considered a genetic anomaly, and the herd will be immune.

Obviously it would ruin our supply chains and the whole concept of a work week would be eliminated, along with those lives.

So yeah, in our lifetimes? Vaccine.
 
2020-09-27 7:50:15 PM  

Pinner: cSquids: Think labor day is bad, imagine if we don't get a handle on this before Thanksgiving or Christmas, which is unlikely to happen.

Halloween parties, Thanksgiving dinners, Black Friday hoards of mouth breathers fighting, then holiday parties, NY Eve... The hits keep playing.
Make your plan yesterday, Farkers. The odds of getting sick are going up every day.
A mild case of Covid is a like a real bad Flu. Anything worse and you're probably going to the hospital.
Good luck, peeps!


Both the Mrs. and I had it back in March. Hers symptoms were worse than mine but neither one required hospitalization. I tell my friends when they ask about it that it is flu on steroids.
 
2020-09-27 7:54:08 PM  
Now look at the graph without the intentionally misleading truncated y-axis. And add a label to your y-axis while you are attempting to learn data visualization. Is is new cases by day? Where? Raw or moving average?
 
2020-09-27 7:55:31 PM  

GardenWeasel: BizarreMan: GardenWeasel: Labor day + return to school/college

This week many Republican governors are lifting the restrictions on bar and restaurant occupancy.  I predict an even higher spike in a few weeks.

Yep. It's going to be constantly increasing thru January.


Thanks, Biden.
 
2020-09-27 7:55:55 PM  

PangolinPatientZero: gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.

Actual herd immunity is impossible without a vaccine, i thought.


No. As soon as anyone wearing a red hat started shouting about herd immunity, I knew that people had probably misunderstood it, and that it would get worse.

In VERY simplistic terms, herd immunity occurs when the virus cannot find anyone new to infect. It is not immunity. It is a situation in which there are a lot of immune people walking around. Generally speaking, you can get there by immunization with a vaccine, which makes people immune without making them sick. You might also get there by just letting everyone get sick and letting God sort them out, so to speak. You might also develop treatments that let people get sick, but not die.

People might be happy to live in a situation of herd immunity, but getting there does not just happen. And doing so quickly or doing so WITHOUT treatments or vaccines is likely to be deadly to a lot of people.
 
2020-09-27 7:56:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.

We don't even seem to be doing that.

"Herd Immunity" is code for DGAF.


There is never going to be herd immunity. There hasn't been for anything else, and there won't be for this. But DGAF about anyone else will carry on.
 
2020-09-27 7:56:16 PM  

The Bunyip: gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.

Herd immunity is a planned, intentional state involving active public health tools. It's not a way to do absolutely nothing and let's just see what happens strategy. The sooner people stop referring to what the Trump administration is doing (i.e. nothing) as working toward "herd immunity', the better off we'll be.


Exactly. Herd immunity relies on having a large percentage of the population be inoculated/vaccinated. As it stands, less than 1% of the US has been exposed, and even fewer are immune against future exposure.

To the current strain before it mutates, anyway.

Herd immunity to COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2 is years away.
 
2020-09-27 7:56:37 PM  

Hachitori: Kids went back to school; older kids went back to college.

No surprises here.

Worth noting:

Cases are up but deaths are down to 15 June levels

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The bad news is deaths are a trailing indicator, about 3-4 weeks out

The good news is our half-assed efforts may be working to variolate ourselves.  It's possible we are self inoculating by giving ourselves reduced viral loads and mostly avoiding the worst affects.
 
2020-09-27 7:56:41 PM  

PangolinPatientZero: gretzkyscores: We're gonna get to herd immunity whether we like it or not. The trick is to protect high-risk populations until we get there.

Actual herd immunity is impossible without a vaccine, i thought.


We're all still dying of 1918?
There is your answer. You thought wrong.

We might not want to pay the price for natural herd immunity.

But a lower % of the population is highly vulnerable vs the % still susceptible in an immune herd. However grey areas exist and some very susceptible people are idiots. No guarantees for anyone.
% needed for herd immunity is an educated guess, based on other bugs with similar spread rates.
 
2020-09-27 7:58:45 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Here's hoping they're all Red Hats.  Scum.


You can hope all you want, I guess, but the plague rats will give the virus to lots of innocents.  Because that's how it works.
 
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