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2020-09-27 10:21:11 PM  
16 votes:
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2020-09-27 10:15:35 PM  
16 votes:
I'm not a felon so I don't have a dog in this fight.
 
2020-09-27 9:55:49 PM  
12 votes:
Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.
 
2020-09-27 9:57:46 PM  
11 votes:
No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.
 
2020-09-27 11:19:32 PM  
6 votes:

Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.

Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?

I just believe in this crazy thing called rights and want them upheld for everyone, regardless if I agree with them or not.  I believe people can change for the better.  I know, that's a crazy Idea too, especially here on fark.  I could just go along with the cool kids and deny things to people I don't agree with, but what fun is that?


The important thing is that you support Neo Nazis and white supremacists.
 
2020-09-27 10:14:11 PM  
6 votes:

Natalie Portmanteau: winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.

This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.


I don't believe he's honestly trying to redeem himself. I believe he's trying to redeem his image. He never genuinely apologized for his involvement with animal cruelty. His subsequent charities have been proven scams to bolster his faltering financial situation. He's a less successful Donald Trump, which is quite a low bar.
 
2020-09-27 9:57:05 PM  
6 votes:
Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.
 
2020-09-27 9:59:14 PM  
5 votes:

winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.


You're so cool.
 
2020-09-27 11:26:45 PM  
4 votes:

EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.


True, for the Jeffrey Dahmer types.  But what is the difference between getting animals to fight each other, and shooting wild animals and watching them bleed out and die in the forests?   How are dog fighting and cock fighting and bull fighting and bear baiting any different from hunting and sport fishing and feed lots and chicken farms?  Americans seem to vilify one and glorify the other because one is considered an ethnic activity and the other is considered a good white hobby and industry.  When in reality it is all bad.
 
2020-09-27 11:02:45 PM  
4 votes:

Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.


Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?
 
2020-09-27 10:42:44 PM  
4 votes:
Mike Bloomberg is helping felons vote in Florida by donating 16 million dollars to an organization that helps felons regain the right to vote.

Heartwarming really. We desperately need the wisdom and judgment of Florida (and Virginia) felons to help guide our country in these trying times.
 
2020-09-27 10:21:20 PM  
4 votes:
I don't care if Vick cures cancer... fark him.
 
2020-09-27 10:03:13 PM  
4 votes:

winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.


This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.
 
2020-09-27 11:52:32 PM  
3 votes:

Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.

Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?

I just believe in this crazy thing called rights and want them upheld for everyone, regardless if I agree with them or not.  I believe people can change for the better.  I know, that's a crazy Idea too, especially here on fark.  I could just go along with the cool kids and deny things to people I don't agree with, but what fun is that?

The important thing is that you support Neo Nazis and white supremacists.

And drug dealers, con men, murderers, rapists, gangs... I'm sure I missed a few scary people you don't like, so feel free to add to the list.


You could have used fewer words and just said Republicans.
 
2020-09-27 11:48:34 PM  
3 votes:

Natalie Portmanteau: NM Volunteer: EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.

True, for the Jeffrey Dahmer types.  But what is the difference between getting animals to fight each other, and shooting wild animals and watching them bleed out and die in the forests?   How are dog fighting and cock fighting and bull fighting and bear baiting any different from hunting and sport fishing and feed lots and chicken farms?  Americans seem to vilify one and glorify the other because one is considered an ethnic activity and the other is considered a good white hobby and industry.  When in reality it is all bad.

To start, I oppose hunting for sport. (And for food if you live in a place where you don't have to)

I'd argue that there is still a substantial difference between the mindset required to shoot an animal that was otherwise unaware and the mindset required to ignore the conditions of animals while working in industrial agriculture / willfully torture animals.

I don't mean a moral difference, I mean psychological. Lacking the clarity to realize hunting is a sort of murder doesn't mean you're the type of person that would torture an animal. Hunters shoot for an instant kill (yes, they're just making sure they don't have to walk much, but they're not tryingto be cruel)

You can't raise chickens whose beaks you have to remove to keep them from killing each other and not realize that the animals are suffering.


Is there a difference in mindset?  Shooting a deer in the chest with an arrow, and watching it slowly die while full of fear and pain?  Shoving a fish into a bucket of ice so that it suffocates to death?  Making dogs or cocks kill each other for entertainment?  It all involves using and killing animals.  It is all the same mindset of "I'm the human, these animals are here for my entertainment until it is time for me to kill them".  They treat animals, even their own animals (like the hunters who have their dogs ride in the bed of pickups going down highways, or the ones who abuse and leave their dogs behind), as biomechanical tools and equipment and not as living creatures.
 
2020-09-27 11:43:20 PM  
3 votes:
Man, his past is really hounding him.
 
2020-09-27 11:12:05 PM  
3 votes:
Florida is something else...a lot of those red states are. "Been convicted of a crime? No soup for you!"

Meanwhile, in the whole US it's almost impossible to get a self-sustaining job or housing if you have a record, and you lose your housing benefits if you even shelter someone who's starting over. How does that improve things? How does that break the cycle? Instead, Florida has people living under effing bridges because they fall under those rules or because they're sex offenders & can't live within [X] feet of a [fill in the blank]. How does their having  no fixed address make anyone safer? How does not having healthcare - especially mental health - services make the community any safer or more stable?

On a tear. I've just abandoned twitter due to the absolute geyser of soul-crushing news relating to our descent into a fiefdom run by a tin-pot dictator, now I guess I need to abandon Fark, as well...or at least stop commenting.
 
2020-09-27 10:16:22 PM  
3 votes:

Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.


He did his time.
 
2020-09-28 12:34:20 AM  
2 votes:

Smackledorfer: 2chinz: Smackledorfer: I also want to take issue with a dog in a truck bed. Those people still love their dogs, they are just idiots. I still see kids in the back of trucks or on golf carts on the road. Their parents love them, they are just stupid.

Stupidity and morality often share outcomes, but shouldn't be confused for one another.

Around these parts, it's illegal to have an unrestrained animal in the back of your truck. It has to be tethered in - for the animal's safety and for the public's.

Or, like me, you can pop a camper shell on top and leave them untethered.

I'd say it's also kinda selfish to have your dogs in the back of your pickup or your kids unrestrained in your car/golf cart or, if you're djt, your caddy clinging to the back of your juiced-up golf cart on the greens. You're saying, "what I want is important. What's right is immaterial."

Ime they are simply in denial of the risk. It won't happen to them, in their minds.


Just like the people who leave kids in hot cars during the summer, or people who do not lock up guns, or people who think they can drive after a few beers.  It's all about them, not anybody else.
 
2020-09-27 11:42:49 PM  
2 votes:

NM Volunteer: EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.

True, for the Jeffrey Dahmer types.  But what is the difference between getting animals to fight each other, and shooting wild animals and watching them bleed out and die in the forests?   How are dog fighting and cock fighting and bull fighting and bear baiting any different from hunting and sport fishing and feed lots and chicken farms?  Americans seem to vilify one and glorify the other because one is considered an ethnic activity and the other is considered a good white hobby and industry.  When in reality it is all bad.


To start, I oppose hunting for sport. (And for food if you live in a place where you don't have to)

I'd argue that there is still a substantial difference between the mindset required to shoot an animal that was otherwise unaware and the mindset required to ignore the conditions of animals while working in industrial agriculture / willfully torture animals.

I don't mean a moral difference, I mean psychological. Lacking the clarity to realize hunting is a sort of murder doesn't mean you're the type of person that would torture an animal. Hunters shoot for an instant kill (yes, they're just making sure they don't have to walk much, but they're not tryingto be cruel)

You can't raise chickens whose beaks you have to remove to keep them from killing each other and not realize that the animals are suffering.
 
2020-09-27 11:28:44 PM  
2 votes:

Natalie Portmanteau: EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.

jail time ought to be reformative.  It ought to primarily support education and psychological health. We're supposed to have a justice system, not a punishment system.

Now, I agree that you have to be completely farked in the head to torture an animal (including man), and have a special love if dogs.  And I agree he should have been the recipient of total seizure of assets and a very long prison sentence. But that's not how the system is set up (which we should reform, but that's a whole other thing).

So maybe focus your anger on totally unrepentant assholes, and not people who can use their (admittedly undeserved) wealth and influence to do some good, regardless of their motivation.

Or not, I'm just some guy. YMMV


All I'm saying is that the system you rightfully believe we should have is nothing like the one we've got, and Vick's behavior proved him to be someone that only a fool would ever trust again. I find it incredibly naive when people airly say "Oh, he served his time" as if that made everything right. Unless he served all that time in a psychiatrist's office, where some incredible breakthrough uncovered all his personal demons and repaired his damaged soul, I doubt we've heard the last of Vick doing something atrocious.

I'm not burning with hate for the man. I just don't believe he's actually changed.
 
2020-09-27 11:07:04 PM  
2 votes:

EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.


jail time ought to be reformative.  It ought to primarily support education and psychological health. We're supposed to have a justice system, not a punishment system.

Now, I agree that you have to be completely farked in the head to torture an animal (including man), and have a special love if dogs.  And I agree he should have been the recipient of total seizure of assets and a very long prison sentence. But that's not how the system is set up (which we should reform, but that's a whole other thing).

So maybe focus your anger on totally unrepentant assholes, and not people who can use their (admittedly undeserved) wealth and influence to do some good, regardless of their motivation.

Or not, I'm just some guy. YMMV
 
2020-09-27 11:04:20 PM  
2 votes:
Just to add, there are plenty of people who haven't ever committed a felony and either don't vote at all or vote how others tell them to. Anyone at this point voting for Trump has a mental illness or are misogynistic racists or are fascists. Or two of the three. Or all three. They still get to vote.

And Vick is dog shiat. Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path". Also, keep an eye on him because that is not a trait that goes away. However, I'll welcome just about anybody who is helping restore civil rights. Just keep an eye on him because he might eat your poodle.
 
2020-09-27 10:48:10 PM  
2 votes:
If you're stupid enough to commit a crime that results in a felony conviction, you're likely too stupid to consider the issues enough to be able to cast a vote.
 
2020-09-27 10:30:57 PM  
2 votes:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.


I fully support ex-felons who've done their time and have taken sincere steps toward rehabilitation to regain their right to vote. He may have done the former but he has certainly not done the latter. I completely admit I tolerate cruelty towards dogs less than I do against crimes against people.
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Cora on the left was two years old when I adopted her. She had just had a litter and was found wandering the streets. This was in Pittsburgh, which is why I have a particular Ire for Vick.
 
2020-09-27 10:08:21 PM  
2 votes:

Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.


eh. I have no problem with him trying to do good. I also see pretty much no way i could consider him redeemed until he dies and we can view the balance of his deeds. Until then, he is welcome to keep trying in earnest.
 
2020-09-28 2:16:33 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: And one more thing: you are elitist as fark here, which I really wouldn't have pegged you as.

Your arguments here are only the 1%ers should eat meat (as I explained earlier) and only the best snipers in the world should hunt.

Moreover, applying your level of perfection you require of hunters to the slaughtering if farmed animals your actual position is zero farmed animals: all slaughter methods involve significant error rates.

/And don't get me started on kosher and halal slaughter methods. I guess you're against that religious freedom too


You did not even read what I said.  That is the exact opposite of my posts, wherein I argued that there is no ethical difference between sports/hobby hunting and dogfighting.  Both are unethical and bad, because they kill and cause suffering for the pleasure of humans.  And I reject the claims that shooting a deer in the chest and watching it bleed to death is somehow "humane".
 
2020-09-28 2:14:06 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: NM Volunteer: Smackledorfer: Oh, we have a member of the fark sharpshooter brigade on our hands.

Because when hobbies involve killing other living creatures, we should tolerate sloppiness.


Smackledorfer: I'll farkie you as "intent is irrelevant if you cause a death", and I do hope to see you argue manslaughter, murder 1, and murder 2 should all be given identical penalties whenever such a discussion pops up in the future.

Legality and ethics are not the same thing.  Legality says it is okay for cops to shoot unarmed Black people.  Ethics says it is not okay.  Legality divides crimes into degrees and variations.  Ethics has right and wrong.  It is legal for museums to possess looted archaeological items from foreign countries if they were taken before certain years.  Ethics says looting is wrong and those items should be returned.  Do you see the difference?  I am not arguing legal matters.  I am simply pointing out that when everything is distilled down, it distills down to humans being selfish and self-centered, while treating other humans and treating animals as if they are all things and commodities and not living creatures.

You don't understand the biology of the things being killed. You don't understand how guns work. You don't understand how shooting anything works.

And you choose not to learn. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to educate you, but you rejected the option to learn.

And I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on your fundamental belief that intent is irrelevant to the ethics of an action. Frankly, imo that makes you a damn fool. I suppose you likely feel the same about me there. I cannot for the life of me how anyone could take your viewpoint, and I don't think I've ever encountered it my life.


I am an American.  Of course I know how guns work.  Of course I own a few rifles.  I just won't buy into the bullshiat narrative of the noble white hunter.
 
2020-09-28 1:54:54 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: Oh, we have a member of the fark sharpshooter brigade on our hands.


Because when hobbies involve killing other living creatures, we should tolerate sloppiness.


Smackledorfer: I'll farkie you as "intent is irrelevant if you cause a death", and I do hope to see you argue manslaughter, murder 1, and murder 2 should all be given identical penalties whenever such a discussion pops up in the future.


Legality and ethics are not the same thing.  Legality says it is okay for cops to shoot unarmed Black people.  Ethics says it is not okay.  Legality divides crimes into degrees and variations.  Ethics has right and wrong.  It is legal for museums to possess looted archaeological items from foreign countries if they were taken before certain years.  Ethics says looting is wrong and those items should be returned.  Do you see the difference?  I am not arguing legal matters.  I am simply pointing out that when everything is distilled down, it distills down to humans being selfish and self-centered, while treating other humans and treating animals as if they are all things and commodities and not living creatures.
 
2020-09-28 1:49:23 AM  
1 vote:
LOL.

It's interesting.
Vic is no 👼.
But in a world where people are okay with Trump as POTUS, it's funny.
If only people could focus their anger.
Dogs are great. But their not the United States of America. Which is kinda of a big deal.
And at this point Vic would make a better POTUS.
But you all keep up the good fight up and run Vic out of America.
I guess it's a good consolation prize since you're not going to stop Trump from being president for another term.
You're too busy canceling everyone else except him.
 
2020-09-28 1:28:18 AM  
1 vote:
All American citizens ages 18 and older should have the right to vote, full stop. If prison towns are going to milk their populations for cash in the census, they should face the consequences of a prison polling place getting 100% turnout every time. They might be the only precincts in the country with an informed electorate when it comes to judicial retention and sheriffs' races.
 
2020-09-28 1:09:37 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: A headshot off by a little is anything but a clean kill.


Then maybe the hunter should actually practice, and not drink before/during hunting.  They are freaking deer grazing in the forest, not soldiers hiding behind debris or running through trenches.
 
2020-09-28 1:08:11 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: If you insist on pretending the whole of stupidly is at its core merely a lack of ethics, I don't know what to say. A lot of people are stupid and make poor decisions because they don't fully understand the consequences, not because they properly understand them and are pieces of shiat.


It doesn't make a difference either way, because it all boils down to self-centeredness and selfishness.  There is no ethical difference between [being too stupid to remember how hot the car gets every time he leaves it parked in a parking lot] and [sick of having a kid so he leaves the kid in the car in hopes of plausible deniability].

Or how about this: [spraying a tanker full of PCBs along side of the road because he does not understand the health and environmental hazards and laws] and [spraying a tanker full of PCBs along side of the road because he is lazy and does not care about anybody other than himself].

It is all rooted in [I only care about myself and not about others].  All four scenarios and mindsets and motives are based on that.  That child in the hot car is just a thing to them.  The people who live alongside that road are just things to them.  And with dogfighting and hunting and debeaked chickens, it is all treating animals as commodities to be used and enjoyed, if enjoyment means eating them or abusing them.
 
2020-09-28 12:32:57 AM  
1 vote:

Natalie Portmanteau: yes. Because again, (and I'm not saying I'm this makes it right) they don't want the animal to suffer. It's the opposite. Admittedly that's because the fear hormones dumped by said critters system spoils the flavor of the meat. (It's one reason cows are bred to be so utterly docile)


That's still treating and considering wild animals as tools and commodities, not as living creatures.  A quick kill to avoid fear hormones or unappetizing bruises, and to prevent the animal from escaping.  Why not a headshot?  Why shoot it in the chest, which will not kill it right away?  Or why not just let it live, and buy some meat from the grocery store, or at a farmers market from a local farmer who raises free-range animals with no cages or torture?  Treating animals like they are just items is the predominant mindset, and it doesn't make any bit of difference if it is a poor person dogfighting or cockfighting for cash or a wealthy person shooting a giraffe or an elk for the sake of trophies or unusual meat.
 
2020-09-28 12:05:13 AM  
1 vote:

iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: The only thing I support is that once someone served their time, their rights should be restored.  Do you really have a problem with that?

And I could be wrong on this, but Trump's nominee for SCOTUS is in favour of gun rights for felons but against voting rights for felons, is she not?


Kryst. Dunno, but that sounds like SOP for someone meeting their criteria for SCOTUS.
 
2020-09-28 12:04:12 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: Humans who grow up in societies that promote animal fighting don't see it the way you or I do, and to declare them to be fundamentally broken and inferior humans is a mistake. A borderline racist one at that, if we apply his accusation beyond the individual michael vick.


We're only discussing Michael Vick here. Who was born and raised in Virginia, where dogfighting is not promoted and is in fact very illegal and frowned upon. What he did was not considered normal or typical within the culture he was raised, which is why he served time for it.

And again, he didn't just run a dogfighting ring. He tortured and executed (really consider that word, because executed means something different than simply killed) some of the dogs who lost fights. No matter how hard you try to justify it, that's abberant behavior, and it demonstrates the type of cruelty that typically leads to abusing people. You may think a pathological lack of empathy for the suffering of other creatures is just part of the human condition, and you may have a point. But it's the part that leads to all the worst things that humans have done, both to animals and to each other.
 
2020-09-27 11:44:50 PM  
1 vote:
To add to the above, as it pertains to whether michael Vick can learn from his mistakes and grow as a person, the fact that it isn't indicative of a mental disorder makes it much more likely that he can.

Humans who grow up in societies that promote animal fighting don't see it the way you or I do, and to declare them to be fundamentally broken and inferior humans is a mistake. A borderline racist one at that, if we apply his accusation beyond the individual michael vick.
 
2020-09-27 11:30:34 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: powhound: Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path".

If that were true there never would have been dogfights, cockfights, bullfights, etc throughout history. We'd almost all be vegetarians. And even human fighting sports would be a minor thing as only practitioners would have interest. The rest of us watch for the violence.

Torturing things for personal gain is pretty much the human condition.


It's easy to confuse what is with what ought to be. I certainly won't argue that human history is chock full of savagery. But I would argue that if we devoted a small fraction of the effort we spent on blowing each other up on developing lab grown meats we wouldn't have to torture animals to have a steak. (Or suffer the ecological disaster that is industrial farming)

But the human psyche has a fairly neat trick to insulate the mind from the idea that eating veal is morally equivalent to eating a child.

/not a vegan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2020-09-27 11:25:11 PM  
1 vote:

iamskibibitz: the American Civil Liberties Union estimates is 774,000 people in Florida who can't vote because of outstanding unpaid fines and fees.

Um, I call BS. The incarceration rate in Florida less than 1% and you're telling me that roughly 5% of the non-incarcerated adult population can't vote due to unpaid fines/fees? I suppose it's possible but I'm not buying it.


Why not?

It isn't like all felons are lifers. The average felony could be 5 years or so. The mode could be 1-2.

I see no reason either political faction would want to lie about these numbers.
 
2020-09-27 11:20:03 PM  
1 vote:

powhound: Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path".


If that were true there never would have been dogfights, cockfights, bullfights, etc throughout history. We'd almost all be vegetarians. And even human fighting sports would be a minor thing as only practitioners would have interest. The rest of us watch for the violence.

Torturing things for personal gain is pretty much the human condition.
 
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2020-09-27 11:15:36 PM  
1 vote:

jtown: I'm not a felon so I don't have a dog in this fight.


I am a felon, and I do have a dog in this fight. Thankfully I live in a sane state where I don't lose my farking right to vote because one time I was a damn idiot.

Anybody hurting any animals makes me sick to my farking stomach, literally, and Vick can die in a grease fire, but if this is the guy that's gonna help restore sanity?

Sure. Why not. As long as that's his actual goal and not just to try to make personal gains from it.
 
2020-09-27 11:15:01 PM  
1 vote:

iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.

Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?


I just believe in this crazy thing called rights and want them upheld for everyone, regardless if I agree with them or not.  I believe people can change for the better.  I know, that's a crazy Idea too, especially here on fark.  I could just go along with the cool kids and deny things to people I don't agree with, but what fun is that?
 
2020-09-27 10:59:55 PM  
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Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.


Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.
 
2020-09-27 10:57:14 PM  
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austin_millbarge: I don't care if Vick cures cancer... fark him.


Agreed. But I still hope he cures cancer if nobody else does.
 
2020-09-27 10:55:52 PM  
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Good.  When he is done with this one good deed, he should cover himself in meat juice, tie himself to the ground, and have dogs eat him alive.  Then we can say he is redeemed.  Until then, he is a dog abuser and nothing else.  He shouldn't even be allowed to have a name.  He should be known as "Piece of shiat Dog Abuser 964823".  When he is consumed by dogs, he may be called "Michael Vick Dog shiat".
 
2020-09-27 10:54:32 PM  
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Marshmallow Jones: If you're stupid enough to commit a crime that results in a felony conviction, you're likely too stupid to consider the issues enough to be able to cast a vote.


if intelligence, not having a biased stick up ones ass, and understanding issues was the standard, only 10% or less would be allowed to vote.  But those voters would say any of these politicians weren't worth the time spent at the poll.
 
2020-09-27 10:53:23 PM  
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Ragin' Asian: Natalie Portmanteau: winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.

This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.

I don't believe he's honestly trying to redeem himself. I believe he's trying to redeem his image. He never genuinely apologized for his involvement with animal cruelty. His subsequent charities have been proven scams to bolster his faltering financial situation. He's a less successful Donald Trump, which is quite a low bar.


I wrote a very long reply, but fark ate it.

In a nutshell, I totally get what you're saying. I think animal abusers are absolutely shiat. But he's had his due process (pathetic as it was) and is doing some good now. The AFSPA he championed is a good thing. He tells kids dogfighting is farked up. Im not sure i care why he's doing it, at least he's doing it. Why should be allowed to ooze into obscurity like some common republican?

The even shorter version "you shouldn't tell a passenger in a sinking boat to stop bailing because he's a rapist. You put him up front so everyone can keep an eye on him"

/respect. I love animals, dogs in particular.
//I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to life imprisonment for serious animal cruelty
/// still think we should let assholes try to help, if they're not using it as a cover for more misdeeds.
 
2020-09-27 10:30:02 PM  
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Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.


Yeah, no excon should vote like this Vick guy...wtf noble cause my ass.

I agree that once you do your time you have paid the debt owed to society for your crime and your rights should be restored, until you fark up again.
 
2020-09-27 10:23:58 PM  
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winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.


That's exactly the thing those groups will use to tie it up in the courts until after the election.  Fortunately many won't take the money out of blind hate.
 
2020-09-27 10:14:56 PM  
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Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.


This is a good post.
 
2020-09-27 9:57:59 PM  
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winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.


I dunno, maybe seeing blacks and jews buy their rights back and seeing the GOP fight them tooth and nail will reach some of them.
 
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