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2020-09-27 9:55:49 PM  
Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.
 
2020-09-27 9:57:05 PM  
Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.
 
2020-09-27 9:57:46 PM  
No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.
 
2020-09-27 9:57:59 PM  

winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.


I dunno, maybe seeing blacks and jews buy their rights back and seeing the GOP fight them tooth and nail will reach some of them.
 
2020-09-27 9:59:14 PM  

winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.


You're so cool.
 
2020-09-27 10:03:13 PM  

winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.


This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.
 
2020-09-27 10:06:39 PM  

Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.


Tom Coughlin agrees.

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2020-09-27 10:07:41 PM  
It's a dog fight dog world and I'm wearing  underoos  underwear or...something.
 
2020-09-27 10:08:21 PM  

Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.


eh. I have no problem with him trying to do good. I also see pretty much no way i could consider him redeemed until he dies and we can view the balance of his deeds. Until then, he is welcome to keep trying in earnest.
 
2020-09-27 10:14:11 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.

This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.


I don't believe he's honestly trying to redeem himself. I believe he's trying to redeem his image. He never genuinely apologized for his involvement with animal cruelty. His subsequent charities have been proven scams to bolster his faltering financial situation. He's a less successful Donald Trump, which is quite a low bar.
 
2020-09-27 10:14:56 PM  

Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.


This is a good post.
 
2020-09-27 10:15:35 PM  
I'm not a felon so I don't have a dog in this fight.
 
2020-09-27 10:16:22 PM  

Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.


He did his time.
 
2020-09-27 10:21:11 PM  
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2020-09-27 10:21:20 PM  
I don't care if Vick cures cancer... fark him.
 
2020-09-27 10:23:58 PM  

winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.


That's exactly the thing those groups will use to tie it up in the courts until after the election.  Fortunately many won't take the money out of blind hate.
 
2020-09-27 10:30:02 PM  

Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.


Yeah, no excon should vote like this Vick guy...wtf noble cause my ass.

I agree that once you do your time you have paid the debt owed to society for your crime and your rights should be restored, until you fark up again.
 
2020-09-27 10:30:57 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.


I fully support ex-felons who've done their time and have taken sincere steps toward rehabilitation to regain their right to vote. He may have done the former but he has certainly not done the latter. I completely admit I tolerate cruelty towards dogs less than I do against crimes against people.
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Cora on the left was two years old when I adopted her. She had just had a litter and was found wandering the streets. This was in Pittsburgh, which is why I have a particular Ire for Vick.
 
2020-09-27 10:42:44 PM  
Mike Bloomberg is helping felons vote in Florida by donating 16 million dollars to an organization that helps felons regain the right to vote.

Heartwarming really. We desperately need the wisdom and judgment of Florida (and Virginia) felons to help guide our country in these trying times.
 
2020-09-27 10:48:10 PM  
If you're stupid enough to commit a crime that results in a felony conviction, you're likely too stupid to consider the issues enough to be able to cast a vote.
 
2020-09-27 10:50:51 PM  
It suddenly got stupid in here. JFC
 
2020-09-27 10:53:23 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Natalie Portmanteau: winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.

This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.

I don't believe he's honestly trying to redeem himself. I believe he's trying to redeem his image. He never genuinely apologized for his involvement with animal cruelty. His subsequent charities have been proven scams to bolster his faltering financial situation. He's a less successful Donald Trump, which is quite a low bar.


I wrote a very long reply, but fark ate it.

In a nutshell, I totally get what you're saying. I think animal abusers are absolutely shiat. But he's had his due process (pathetic as it was) and is doing some good now. The AFSPA he championed is a good thing. He tells kids dogfighting is farked up. Im not sure i care why he's doing it, at least he's doing it. Why should be allowed to ooze into obscurity like some common republican?

The even shorter version "you shouldn't tell a passenger in a sinking boat to stop bailing because he's a rapist. You put him up front so everyone can keep an eye on him"

/respect. I love animals, dogs in particular.
//I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to life imprisonment for serious animal cruelty
/// still think we should let assholes try to help, if they're not using it as a cover for more misdeeds.
 
2020-09-27 10:54:32 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: If you're stupid enough to commit a crime that results in a felony conviction, you're likely too stupid to consider the issues enough to be able to cast a vote.


if intelligence, not having a biased stick up ones ass, and understanding issues was the standard, only 10% or less would be allowed to vote.  But those voters would say any of these politicians weren't worth the time spent at the poll.
 
2020-09-27 10:55:52 PM  
Good.  When he is done with this one good deed, he should cover himself in meat juice, tie himself to the ground, and have dogs eat him alive.  Then we can say he is redeemed.  Until then, he is a dog abuser and nothing else.  He shouldn't even be allowed to have a name.  He should be known as "Piece of shiat Dog Abuser 964823".  When he is consumed by dogs, he may be called "Michael Vick Dog shiat".
 
2020-09-27 10:57:14 PM  

austin_millbarge: I don't care if Vick cures cancer... fark him.


Agreed. But I still hope he cures cancer if nobody else does.
 
2020-09-27 10:59:55 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.


Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.
 
2020-09-27 11:00:58 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: If you're stupid enough to commit a crime that results in a felony conviction, you're likely too stupid to consider the issues enough to be able to cast a vote.


may want to Google some of the things that result in felony convictions.

The problem with our... ahem... justice system is it doesn't serve justice first, it serves various financial and political interests, then "order", then, maybe justice. If you don't think people who had an ounce of weed, or (in some states) traffic fines over a certain amount, aren't capable of deciding which of two options should be in charge... well, I don't know what to tell you.
 
2020-09-27 11:02:45 PM  

Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.


Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?
 
2020-09-27 11:03:47 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Ragin' Asian: Natalie Portmanteau: winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.

This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.

I don't believe he's honestly trying to redeem himself. I believe he's trying to redeem his image. He never genuinely apologized for his involvement with animal cruelty. His subsequent charities have been proven scams to bolster his faltering financial situation. He's a less successful Donald Trump, which is quite a low bar.

I wrote a very long reply, but fark ate it.

In a nutshell, I totally get what you're saying. I think animal abusers are absolutely shiat. But he's had his due process (pathetic as it was) and is doing some good now. The AFSPA he championed is a good thing. He tells kids dogfighting is farked up. Im not sure i care why he's doing it, at least he's doing it. Why should be allowed to ooze into obscurity like some common republican?

The even shorter version "you shouldn't tell a passenger in a sinking boat to stop bailing because he's a rapist. You put him up front so everyone can keep an eye on him"

/respect. I love animals, dogs in particular.
//I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to life imprisonment for serious animal cruelty
/// still think we should let assholes try to help, if they're not using it as a cover for more misdeeds.


I intellectually understand your point. Sometimes one's gut gets in the way and I realize that's what's happening here for me. Perhaps his intentions are genuine, but it's going to take a long time for me to forgive him for his crimes.

/I won't say no to the money he raises getting reformed ex-felons to vote.
//Scruples are weird things.
///Vote, damn you! I don't care for whom!
 
2020-09-27 11:04:20 PM  
Just to add, there are plenty of people who haven't ever committed a felony and either don't vote at all or vote how others tell them to. Anyone at this point voting for Trump has a mental illness or are misogynistic racists or are fascists. Or two of the three. Or all three. They still get to vote.

And Vick is dog shiat. Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path". Also, keep an eye on him because that is not a trait that goes away. However, I'll welcome just about anybody who is helping restore civil rights. Just keep an eye on him because he might eat your poodle.
 
2020-09-27 11:07:04 PM  

EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.


jail time ought to be reformative.  It ought to primarily support education and psychological health. We're supposed to have a justice system, not a punishment system.

Now, I agree that you have to be completely farked in the head to torture an animal (including man), and have a special love if dogs.  And I agree he should have been the recipient of total seizure of assets and a very long prison sentence. But that's not how the system is set up (which we should reform, but that's a whole other thing).

So maybe focus your anger on totally unrepentant assholes, and not people who can use their (admittedly undeserved) wealth and influence to do some good, regardless of their motivation.

Or not, I'm just some guy. YMMV
 
2020-09-27 11:12:05 PM  
Florida is something else...a lot of those red states are. "Been convicted of a crime? No soup for you!"

Meanwhile, in the whole US it's almost impossible to get a self-sustaining job or housing if you have a record, and you lose your housing benefits if you even shelter someone who's starting over. How does that improve things? How does that break the cycle? Instead, Florida has people living under effing bridges because they fall under those rules or because they're sex offenders & can't live within [X] feet of a [fill in the blank]. How does their having  no fixed address make anyone safer? How does not having healthcare - especially mental health - services make the community any safer or more stable?

On a tear. I've just abandoned twitter due to the absolute geyser of soul-crushing news relating to our descent into a fiefdom run by a tin-pot dictator, now I guess I need to abandon Fark, as well...or at least stop commenting.
 
2020-09-27 11:14:30 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Natalie Portmanteau: Ragin' Asian: Natalie Portmanteau: winedrinkingman: Also, Vic is still an asshole for what he did to those poor dogs, but this is a step in the right direction to redeem himself.  Just a hundred thousand more steps to go.

This. I'm super glad this dude is trying to redeem himself. But it takes a special kind of sadistic to torture dogs. Like, that will always be in the back of my mind.

But good for him. Real redemption is about striving for redemption, not about attaining it.

I don't believe he's honestly trying to redeem himself. I believe he's trying to redeem his image. He never genuinely apologized for his involvement with animal cruelty. His subsequent charities have been proven scams to bolster his faltering financial situation. He's a less successful Donald Trump, which is quite a low bar.

I wrote a very long reply, but fark ate it.

In a nutshell, I totally get what you're saying. I think animal abusers are absolutely shiat. But he's had his due process (pathetic as it was) and is doing some good now. The AFSPA he championed is a good thing. He tells kids dogfighting is farked up. Im not sure i care why he's doing it, at least he's doing it. Why should be allowed to ooze into obscurity like some common republican?

The even shorter version "you shouldn't tell a passenger in a sinking boat to stop bailing because he's a rapist. You put him up front so everyone can keep an eye on him"

/respect. I love animals, dogs in particular.
//I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to life imprisonment for serious animal cruelty
/// still think we should let assholes try to help, if they're not using it as a cover for more misdeeds.

I intellectually understand your point. Sometimes one's gut gets in the way and I realize that's what's happening here for me. Perhaps his intentions are genuine, but it's going to take a long time for me to forgive him for his crimes.

/I won't say no to the money he raises getting reformed ex-felons to vote.
//Scruples are weird things.
///Vote, damn you! I don't care for whom!


No worries. I wantedhim to be tortured and drowned when it happened. If there's actual good being done, I'm ok with evaluating his intentions afterward, but I'm going to stay skeptical til he's dead.
 
2020-09-27 11:15:01 PM  

iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.

Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?


I just believe in this crazy thing called rights and want them upheld for everyone, regardless if I agree with them or not.  I believe people can change for the better.  I know, that's a crazy Idea too, especially here on fark.  I could just go along with the cool kids and deny things to people I don't agree with, but what fun is that?
 
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2020-09-27 11:15:36 PM  

jtown: I'm not a felon so I don't have a dog in this fight.


I am a felon, and I do have a dog in this fight. Thankfully I live in a sane state where I don't lose my farking right to vote because one time I was a damn idiot.

Anybody hurting any animals makes me sick to my farking stomach, literally, and Vick can die in a grease fire, but if this is the guy that's gonna help restore sanity?

Sure. Why not. As long as that's his actual goal and not just to try to make personal gains from it.
 
2020-09-27 11:19:13 PM  
the American Civil Liberties Union estimates is 774,000 people in Florida who can't vote because of outstanding unpaid fines and fees.

Um, I call BS. The incarceration rate in Florida less than 1% and you're telling me that roughly 5% of the non-incarcerated adult population can't vote due to unpaid fines/fees? I suppose it's possible but I'm not buying it.
 
2020-09-27 11:19:32 PM  

Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.

Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?

I just believe in this crazy thing called rights and want them upheld for everyone, regardless if I agree with them or not.  I believe people can change for the better.  I know, that's a crazy Idea too, especially here on fark.  I could just go along with the cool kids and deny things to people I don't agree with, but what fun is that?


The important thing is that you support Neo Nazis and white supremacists.
 
2020-09-27 11:20:03 PM  

powhound: Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path".


If that were true there never would have been dogfights, cockfights, bullfights, etc throughout history. We'd almost all be vegetarians. And even human fighting sports would be a minor thing as only practitioners would have interest. The rest of us watch for the violence.

Torturing things for personal gain is pretty much the human condition.
 
2020-09-27 11:25:11 PM  

iamskibibitz: the American Civil Liberties Union estimates is 774,000 people in Florida who can't vote because of outstanding unpaid fines and fees.

Um, I call BS. The incarceration rate in Florida less than 1% and you're telling me that roughly 5% of the non-incarcerated adult population can't vote due to unpaid fines/fees? I suppose it's possible but I'm not buying it.


Why not?

It isn't like all felons are lifers. The average felony could be 5 years or so. The mode could be 1-2.

I see no reason either political faction would want to lie about these numbers.
 
2020-09-27 11:25:55 PM  
Let MV redeem himself. Nobody is 100% good or bad, and the government must represent felons, too. It only makes sense for a wealthy person with a criminal record to help his demographic vote. There is no hypocrisy in his help. I say, good for him, good for them, and democracies should represent everyone who lives within their jurisdictions.
 
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2020-09-27 11:26:10 PM  

Smackledorfer: powhound: Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path".

If that were true there never would have been dogfights, cockfights, bullfights, etc throughout history. We'd almost all be vegetarians. And even human fighting sports would be a minor thing as only practitioners would have interest. The rest of us watch for the violence.

Torturing things for personal gain is pretty much the human condition.


That's The farking problem. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Raising cattle to feed your family vs laughing at bucks butting heads? fark are you on about?

Humans haven't done that shiat until quite recently.
 
2020-09-27 11:26:45 PM  

EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.


True, for the Jeffrey Dahmer types.  But what is the difference between getting animals to fight each other, and shooting wild animals and watching them bleed out and die in the forests?   How are dog fighting and cock fighting and bull fighting and bear baiting any different from hunting and sport fishing and feed lots and chicken farms?  Americans seem to vilify one and glorify the other because one is considered an ethnic activity and the other is considered a good white hobby and industry.  When in reality it is all bad.
 
2020-09-27 11:28:44 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.

jail time ought to be reformative.  It ought to primarily support education and psychological health. We're supposed to have a justice system, not a punishment system.

Now, I agree that you have to be completely farked in the head to torture an animal (including man), and have a special love if dogs.  And I agree he should have been the recipient of total seizure of assets and a very long prison sentence. But that's not how the system is set up (which we should reform, but that's a whole other thing).

So maybe focus your anger on totally unrepentant assholes, and not people who can use their (admittedly undeserved) wealth and influence to do some good, regardless of their motivation.

Or not, I'm just some guy. YMMV


All I'm saying is that the system you rightfully believe we should have is nothing like the one we've got, and Vick's behavior proved him to be someone that only a fool would ever trust again. I find it incredibly naive when people airly say "Oh, he served his time" as if that made everything right. Unless he served all that time in a psychiatrist's office, where some incredible breakthrough uncovered all his personal demons and repaired his damaged soul, I doubt we've heard the last of Vick doing something atrocious.

I'm not burning with hate for the man. I just don't believe he's actually changed.
 
2020-09-27 11:30:34 PM  

Smackledorfer: powhound: Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path".

If that were true there never would have been dogfights, cockfights, bullfights, etc throughout history. We'd almost all be vegetarians. And even human fighting sports would be a minor thing as only practitioners would have interest. The rest of us watch for the violence.

Torturing things for personal gain is pretty much the human condition.


It's easy to confuse what is with what ought to be. I certainly won't argue that human history is chock full of savagery. But I would argue that if we devoted a small fraction of the effort we spent on blowing each other up on developing lab grown meats we wouldn't have to torture animals to have a steak. (Or suffer the ecological disaster that is industrial farming)

But the human psyche has a fairly neat trick to insulate the mind from the idea that eating veal is morally equivalent to eating a child.

/not a vegan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2020-09-27 11:33:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: iamskibibitz: the American Civil Liberties Union estimates is 774,000 people in Florida who can't vote because of outstanding unpaid fines and fees.

Um, I call BS. The incarceration rate in Florida less than 1% and you're telling me that roughly 5% of the non-incarcerated adult population can't vote due to unpaid fines/fees? I suppose it's possible but I'm not buying it.

Why not?

It isn't like all felons are lifers. The average felony could be 5 years or so. The mode could be 1-2.

I see no reason either political faction would want to lie about these numbers.


hell, not all felons go to prison. (Though I suspect they have the money to pay their fines)

If you make a plea deal, and still get the conviction but avoid jail, do you pay fees? I'd guess deal by deal.
 
2020-09-27 11:33:25 PM  

NM Volunteer: EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.

True, for the Jeffrey Dahmer types.  But what is the difference between getting animals to fight each other, and shooting wild animals and watching them bleed out and die in the forests?   How are dog fighting and cock fighting and bull fighting and bear baiting any different from hunting and sport fishing and feed lots and chicken farms?  Americans seem to vilify one and glorify the other because one is considered an ethnic activity and the other is considered a good white hobby and industry.  When in reality it is all bad.


Read up on how Vick treated the dogs he was displeased with. His actions weren't as matter-of-fact as you're trying to frame them. He thrived on inflicting cruelty.
 
2020-09-27 11:40:02 PM  

151: Smackledorfer: powhound: Anyone who can torture another living being is a sociopath or psychopath or some "path".

If that were true there never would have been dogfights, cockfights, bullfights, etc throughout history. We'd almost all be vegetarians. And even human fighting sports would be a minor thing as only practitioners would have interest. The rest of us watch for the violence.

Torturing things for personal gain is pretty much the human condition.

That's The farking problem. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Raising cattle to feed your family vs laughing at bucks butting heads? fark are you on about?

Humans haven't done that shiat until quite recently.


The other poster claimed it was some kind of rare, likely genetic based, abnormal psychological illness that caused people like michael vick to enjoy dogfighting. And thus, he cannot be fixed and will eat your poodle.

My point is it is NOT rare, NOT abnormal, and NOT a mental illness. If it were damn near all of Spain would be diagnosable for their bullfighting, and you should never let them out of your sight lest they eat your poodle.

Get it now?

I'm not defending any shiatty actions that shiatty humans make. I'm saying this particular form of shiatty action isn't a mental illness.
 
2020-09-27 11:42:36 PM  

iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: winedrinkingman: Just include a clause that you don't pay the fines of anyone involved in Neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups, and the Republicans won't benefit at all from this activity.

You're so cool.

Why, do you want Neo Nazis and white supremacists to benefit from acts of charity?

I just believe in this crazy thing called rights and want them upheld for everyone, regardless if I agree with them or not.  I believe people can change for the better.  I know, that's a crazy Idea too, especially here on fark.  I could just go along with the cool kids and deny things to people I don't agree with, but what fun is that?

The important thing is that you support Neo Nazis and white supremacists.


And drug dealers, con men, murderers, rapists, gangs... I'm sure I missed a few scary people you don't like, so feel free to add to the list.  The only thing I support is that once someone served their time, their rights should be restored.  Do you really have a problem with that?
 
2020-09-27 11:42:49 PM  

NM Volunteer: EdgeRunner: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Ragin' Asian: No, Vick. farking go away. This is a noble cause and we don't need your craven animal cruelty taint on it. Die in an alley and get eaten by feral cats.

He did his time.

Deliberate cruelty to animals is a sign of dangerous and deep-seated psychological issues. For as long as he engaged in it and the extremes he took it to, I highly doubt he's all better now just because he "served his time". Jail time is a punishment, not a cure-all for mental illness.

True, for the Jeffrey Dahmer types.  But what is the difference between getting animals to fight each other, and shooting wild animals and watching them bleed out and die in the forests?   How are dog fighting and cock fighting and bull fighting and bear baiting any different from hunting and sport fishing and feed lots and chicken farms?  Americans seem to vilify one and glorify the other because one is considered an ethnic activity and the other is considered a good white hobby and industry.  When in reality it is all bad.


To start, I oppose hunting for sport. (And for food if you live in a place where you don't have to)

I'd argue that there is still a substantial difference between the mindset required to shoot an animal that was otherwise unaware and the mindset required to ignore the conditions of animals while working in industrial agriculture / willfully torture animals.

I don't mean a moral difference, I mean psychological. Lacking the clarity to realize hunting is a sort of murder doesn't mean you're the type of person that would torture an animal. Hunters shoot for an instant kill (yes, they're just making sure they don't have to walk much, but they're not tryingto be cruel)

You can't raise chickens whose beaks you have to remove to keep them from killing each other and not realize that the animals are suffering.
 
2020-09-27 11:43:20 PM  
Man, his past is really hounding him.
 
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