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2020-09-27 1:26:52 AM  
"We now know that crows know what they know. You know?"
Everybody knows - Leonard Cohen
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2020-09-27 2:26:31 AM  
Makes me rethink the fried chicken I had for dinner. If a crow can understand and use the concept of displacement, without being previously shown? I know some humans that can't figure that out for themselves.
 
2020-09-27 2:55:27 AM  
Bad as can
 
2020-09-27 3:16:24 AM  
More than once I have felt sure that crows were intentionally farking with me.  I feel vindicated, if even more frightened than I was already
 
2020-09-27 3:57:49 AM  
And funny too!

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2020-09-27 4:46:45 AM  
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2020-09-27 4:54:31 AM  

Naido: More than once I have felt sure that crows were intentionally farking with me.  I feel vindicated, if even more frightened than I was already


I got dragged to the NY Renaissance Festival a few years ago by my sisters. There was a bird show there. They had a crow they had trained to stand on the donation bin, take money from people, and drop it in the slot. The host said the crow initially did it for treats and then just did it because it was a fun game.

Crows screwing with people would not surprise me in the slightest. Hell, you can even teach crows and ravens to speak just like parrots. Which means you could actually train a raven to fark with someone by going to their window and saying "Nevermore."
 
2020-09-27 5:13:19 AM  
Neat. Actually, it seems a little weird to me that the idea of animals having general intelligence is so... Well yeah.

I mean shiat, neuroplasticity comes up so often in the context of our own brains, when learning new languages, learning new professions later in life, or bolting new hardware on like cochlear implants that'll probably at least half-work after we get used to them. If we can have that level of confidence in our own gray matter just adapting to whatever you throw at it, probably down to extra limbs, then it seems general intelligence is more a matter of scale and need than any special secret sauce.
 
2020-09-27 5:57:57 AM  

Nullav: Neat. Actually, it seems a little weird to me that the idea of animals having general intelligence is so... Well yeah.

I mean shiat, neuroplasticity comes up so often in the context of our own brains, when learning new languages, learning new professions later in life, or bolting new hardware on like cochlear implants that'll probably at least half-work after we get used to them. If we can have that level of confidence in our own gray matter just adapting to whatever you throw at it, probably down to extra limbs, then it seems general intelligence is more a matter of scale and need than any special secret sauce.


THIS. I am baffled people who have pets would ever question that they are thinking beings. Human intelligence is extreme but the assumption that it's fundamentally different than animal intelligence is idiotic, if simply because we are also animals. Weird ones who replaced their hair with clothes.

Crows are very intelligent, and some crows even make tools. New Caledonian Crows to be exact. Why anyone would not think they have intent is beyond me, but kudos to the scientists for proving it.
 
2020-09-27 7:08:18 AM  
CSB that I've probably told before.  Years ago I read an article right here on Fark about a little girl giving treats to crows for a while and then they started bringing her shiny treats.  IIRC the crows were smart enough to follow them for miles and bring the mom a lens cap she had dropped.  Thought it was a neat story, figured it's worth the cost of a bag of unsalted peanuts to try it.  Started feeding the crows at work every morning.  A few weeks later (I worked at a car dealership) they started bringing me valve stem caps, coins, nuts, bolts, pretty much anything shiny.  Had a routine, I would pull in every morning, the birds would start to kind of trickle in.  There would be a pile of shiny stuff in front of the side door, and as soon as I opened the big bay door they'd flutter down to the parking lot and wait.  Sometimes they'd hop forward and drop stuff directly to me, but usually just left it by the door. I'd throw out a few handfuls of peanuts and they'd just hang out with us while everyone was having their coffee.

Leaving my little bird buddies was the only bummer when I quit that shiathole.

/Csb
 
2020-09-27 8:21:56 AM  
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2020-09-27 8:25:44 AM  
Fable the Raven | Enrichment - Puzzles, Colours & Conversation
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2020-09-27 9:18:53 AM  
There was an injured crow in our backyard and a couple other crows were guarding it.  It kept trying to fly out of the yard, but wasn't clearing the fence.  I went out and propped a gate open, hoping it would eventually head that way.  To my surprise, the guards flew over to the gate and made a total ruckus.  The injured crow flew out of the gate almost immediately.
 
2020-09-27 9:21:38 AM  

WoolyManwich: "We now know that crows know what they know. You know?"
[YouTube video: Everybody knows - Leonard Cohen]


Everybody knows that the crows are learning
Everybody knows that they teach their friends
Everybody knows that they form up armies
Everybody knows that they go to war

Please continue
 
2020-09-27 10:18:20 AM  
We now know that crows know what they know. You know?

No.
 
2020-09-27 10:23:52 AM  
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2020-09-27 10:46:22 AM  
I am always amazed by this crow video. It's like a little kid playing in the snow.

Crow skiing down a roof
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2020-09-27 10:55:27 AM  
Cracked (before it went to shiat) had a good article on crows/ravens a while back:

https://www.cracked.com/article_19042​_​6-terrifying-ways-crows-are-way-smarte​r-than-you-think.html

/The byline says it was published in 2100.  I'm thinking it was 2010.
 
2020-09-27 2:57:45 PM  

sithon: Makes me rethink the fried chicken I had for dinner. If a crow can understand and use the concept of displacement, without being previously shown? I know some humans that can't figure that out for themselves.


Exactly.

Deathless meat from stem cells can't come soon enough.
 
2020-09-27 3:06:34 PM  

adamatari: Nullav: Neat. Actually, it seems a little weird to me that the idea of animals having general intelligence is so... Well yeah.

I mean shiat, neuroplasticity comes up so often in the context of our own brains, when learning new languages, learning new professions later in life, or bolting new hardware on like cochlear implants that'll probably at least half-work after we get used to them. If we can have that level of confidence in our own gray matter just adapting to whatever you throw at it, probably down to extra limbs, then it seems general intelligence is more a matter of scale and need than any special secret sauce.

THIS. I am baffled people who have pets would ever question that they are thinking beings. Human intelligence is extreme but the assumption that it's fundamentally different than animal intelligence is idiotic, if simply because we are also animals. Weird ones who replaced their hair with clothes.

Crows are very intelligent, and some crows even make tools. New Caledonian Crows to be exact. Why anyone would not think they have intent is beyond me, but kudos to the scientists for proving it.


For our convenience and profit, we domesticate, enslave, and eat assorted species of animals. Animals that (it turns out) often think and have self-awareness.

So what would be our argument against being treated the same way by, say, giant, starfaring, omnivorous, predatory worms?
 
2020-09-27 11:24:38 PM  
This doesn't surprise me at all.

(Mes corveaux, quand tous le monde est endormi, commencez le deuxième phase.)
 
2020-09-28 3:19:49 AM  
Jim Crow knew what it was doing for a long time too!
 
2020-09-28 10:07:37 AM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: Jim Crow knew what it was doing for a long time too!


What - other than the word crow - does this have to do with anything in this article or discussion?
 
2020-09-28 5:05:39 PM  

Harlee: Do you know the way to Mordor: Jim Crow knew what it was doing for a long time too!

What - other than the word crow - does this have to do with anything in this article or discussion?


Nothing, I just thought I would put that in.
 
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