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(The Hill)   Rep. Ilhan Omar suggests maybe the Democrats try winning this time and focus their energy on getting "disaffected" voters to actually show up and vote this time rather than wasting their efforts trying to convince Republicans to leave the cult   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-09-27 10:16:14 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.

That means something.

Yes.  You purposely left out the second part of my post.


I think anyone here who stands up and declares that Clinton and Trump were equally bad would rightly catch shiat.
 
2020-09-27 10:17:23 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: GoldSpider: Creidiki: But then the Democrat would have to push policies that appeal to majority of to voters. You know, the kind of extreme socialism practised in the rest of the developed world.
Education, social security, health cafe.
The horror... The horror...

That explains Bernie's blowout victories.

We can't all be Buttigeig claiming victory with no results.

Who here is claiming that there are millions of Buttigieg voters just waiting for sufficient inspiration?

Yang himself stated that a large majority of his voters won't vote for Biden.


All seven of them?
 
2020-09-27 10:18:21 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.

A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!

Then stop working to alienate a large part of it.


Fark your feelings and use your head.
 
2020-09-27 10:18:22 AM  

GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.

That means something.

Yes.  You purposely left out the second part of my post.

I think anyone here who stands up and declares that Clinton and Trump were equally bad would rightly catch shiat.


And...who did that?
 
2020-09-27 10:18:25 AM  

wademh: Same tired false choice narrative.
It's not about getting red hats to change teams. It's about the large swath of people who don't like Trump and don't really want to vote for him but have been told for years about how Democrats want to destroy America.

There are more of them than there are die-hard progressives who need to be coddled in order to vote against Trump. The die-hard progressives have either decided to vote for the lesser evil in Biden or have taken their bat and ball and gone home and simply won't return. They've made up their mind. The people to get now are the wishy-washy ones, the rather ditsy ones.


You'll believe anything to not move the party left.
 
2020-09-27 10:19:30 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.

That means something.

Yes.  You purposely left out the second part of my post.

I think anyone here who stands up and declares that Clinton and Trump were equally bad would rightly catch shiat.

And...who did that?


Bernie voters who sat out or voted third party.
 
2020-09-27 10:22:41 AM  

GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.

That means something.

Yes.  You purposely left out the second part of my post.

I think anyone here who stands up and declares that Clinton and Trump were equally bad would rightly catch shiat.

And...who did that?

Bernie voters who sat out or voted third party.


You mean the smaller amount that clinton voters who didn't vote for obama?

That's your reasoning for shiatting on a large part of and trying to foment a schism in the party?

Here's a nickels worth of free advice:

If someone didn't vote for clinton, they were never going to vote for clinton.  You didn't lose any votes that were never yours int he first place.
 
2020-09-27 10:23:29 AM  

voodoolady: We have one group who has indicated that they want to "do business,"


Neither group has indicated this.
 
2020-09-27 10:23:44 AM  

GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.

A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!

Then stop working to alienate a large part of it.

Fark your feelings and use your head.


Ah yes my "fee fees" are hurt.  Amirite?


Not sure why trolls are allowed here.
 
2020-09-27 10:24:44 AM  

GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: GoldSpider: Creidiki: But then the Democrat would have to push policies that appeal to majority of to voters. You know, the kind of extreme socialism practised in the rest of the developed world.
Education, social security, health cafe.
The horror... The horror...

That explains Bernie's blowout victories.

We can't all be Buttigeig claiming victory with no results.

Who here is claiming that there are millions of Buttigieg voters just waiting for sufficient inspiration?

Yang himself stated that a large majority of his voters won't vote for Biden.

All seven of them?


Likewise for Buttigieg but you don't seem to mind using them as an example.


Your arguments are weak.

Have a good day.
 
2020-09-27 10:27:16 AM  

Smackledorfer: I also know there is no logical explanation for Dems to deliberately choose the wrong strategy.


You've never heard of a $port$ figure purpo$efully throwing a game becau$e $omebody paid them to lo$e? The Democratic Party ha$ donor$ to think about.
 
2020-09-27 10:30:32 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: GoldSpider: Creidiki: But then the Democrat would have to push policies that appeal to majority of to voters. You know, the kind of extreme socialism practised in the rest of the developed world.
Education, social security, health cafe.
The horror... The horror...

That explains Bernie's blowout victories.

We can't all be Buttigeig claiming victory with no results.

Who here is claiming that there are millions of Buttigieg voters just waiting for sufficient inspiration?

Yang himself stated that a large majority of his voters won't vote for Biden.

All seven of them?

Likewise for Buttigieg but you don't seem to mind using them as an example.


Your arguments are weak.

Have a good day.


I voted for Buttegeig. He lost. You didn't see me spend the ensuing months whining about how the "establishment" disenfranchised me or claiming I had a valid pretext for sitting the general election out.
 
2020-09-27 10:35:36 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: TheGhostofFarkPast: the unabomber was right: She thinks that will work better than yelling at and blaming all third party and non-voters for this being their fault and they should be ashamed of themselves? Doesn't sound like the Democrats I know.

Boobies out of the gate you climbed right up on that cross didn't you. No delay just went right up there didn't you?

It's not climbing on any cross if it's true


How's your cross working out by the way?


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2020-09-27 10:36:15 AM  

Persnickety: Sophont: Another thread offering proof that moderates hate progressives more than fascists.

Of course the "moderates" we're talking about here are conservatives, you know...Actual former Republicans, like Joe Manchin, who have to be convinced to not vote Nazis onto the Supreme Court.


FTFY.
 
2020-09-27 10:37:48 AM  

GoldSpider: I voted for Buttegeig. He lost. You didn't see me spend the ensuing months whining about how the "establishment" disenfranchised me or claiming I had a valid pretext for sitting the general election out.


Buttigieg wasn't the establishment and not a placeholder for Joe Biden? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
 
2020-09-27 10:43:18 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: If someone didn't vote for clinton, they were never going to vote for clinton.  You didn't lose any votes that were never yours int he first place.


Explain that to your comrades who called Elizabeth Warren a "snake" for stealing Bernie's votes.
 
2020-09-27 10:43:33 AM  

gyruss: Sophont: Another thread offering proof that moderates hate progressives more than fascists.

It's not hate, it's disrespect.There are only two ways to earn political respect: votes and bullets.


These useless leftists better vote for us even though we aren't going to offer them anything. Now let's  see what we can offer disaffected Republucans for their votes!
 
2020-09-27 10:47:02 AM  

GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: If someone didn't vote for clinton, they were never going to vote for clinton.  You didn't lose any votes that were never yours int he first place.

Explain that to your comrades who called Elizabeth Warren a "snake" for stealing Bernie's votes.


We've already established that anybody who didn't vote for Bernie voted for Joe Biden and have no room to complain about the candidate.
 
2020-09-27 10:49:28 AM  

misanthropicsob: GoldSpider: I voted for Buttegeig. He lost. You didn't see me spend the ensuing months whining about how the "establishment" disenfranchised me or claiming I had a valid pretext for sitting the general election out.

Buttigieg wasn't the establishment and not a placeholder for Joe Biden? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


Ahh that's right, he was in on the fix!
 
2020-09-27 10:54:00 AM  

wademh: Same tired false choice narrative.
It's not about getting red hats to change teams. It's about the large swath of people who don't like Trump and don't really want to vote for him but have been told for years about how Democrats want to destroy America.

There are more of them than there are die-hard progressives who need to be coddled in order to vote against Trump. The die-hard progressives have either decided to vote for the lesser evil in Biden or have taken their bat and ball and gone home and simply won't return. They've made up their mind. The people to get now are the wishy-washy ones, the rather ditsy ones.


Thread should have been closed at this.
 
2020-09-27 11:07:35 AM  

Sophont: gyruss: Sophont: Another thread offering proof that moderates hate progressives more than fascists.

It's not hate, it's disrespect.There are only two ways to earn political respect: votes and bullets.

These useless leftists better vote for us even though we aren't going to offer them anything. Now let's  see what we can offer disaffected Republucans for their votes!


Those who think punishing the Democrats with their wasted votes/non-votes will bring us a progressive utopia don't deserve any more respect than any Trump voter.

They're toddlers who believe stamping their little feet will make Mommy let them eat candy and cake for dinner every night.

They brought us 3 new, young Supreme Court justices who will be wrecking our lives for decades.
 
2020-09-27 11:10:24 AM  

jaytkay: Sophont: gyruss: Sophont: Another thread offering proof that moderates hate progressives more than fascists.

It's not hate, it's disrespect.There are only two ways to earn political respect: votes and bullets.

These useless leftists better vote for us even though we aren't going to offer them anything. Now let's  see what we can offer disaffected Republucans for their votes!

Those who think punishing the Democrats with their wasted votes/non-votes will bring us a progressive utopia don't deserve any more respect than any Trump voter.

They're toddlers who believe stamping their little feet will make Mommy let them eat candy and cake for dinner every night.

They brought us 3 new, young Supreme Court justices who will be wrecking our lives for decades.


If you're going to blame people whose vote you apparently couldn't win, maybe you need some introspection.
 
2020-09-27 11:12:49 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.

A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!

Then stop working to alienate a large part of it.

Fark your feelings and use your head.

Ah yes my "fee fees" are hurt.  Amirite?


Not sure why trolls are allowed here.


Getting dad to delete my posts for you would make this a hell of a lot easier on you.
 
2020-09-27 11:13:47 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: If you're going to blame people whose vote you apparently couldn't win, maybe you need some introspection.


If you can't grasp the consequences of putting Republicans in the White House, well, good luck in life. You need it. Your cognitive impairments must make life difficult.
 
2020-09-27 11:25:25 AM  

GoldSpider: misanthropicsob: GoldSpider: I voted for Buttegeig. He lost. You didn't see me spend the ensuing months whining about how the "establishment" disenfranchised me or claiming I had a valid pretext for sitting the general election out.

Buttigieg wasn't the establishment and not a placeholder for Joe Biden? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Ahh that's right, he was in on the fix!


He's getting a seat on the team for his efforts.
 
2020-09-27 11:25:31 AM  
Or, alternatively, maybe those people who aren't voting just don't give enough of a shiat about politics to bother showing up because their lives won't change in a meaningful way no matter who is president. Before encouraging them to vote, you should at least consider the possibility that, especially if they aren't PoC, they very well might find Trump's rhetoric appealing and vote Republican.
 
2020-09-27 11:26:19 AM  

jaytkay: Sophont: gyruss: Sophont: Another thread offering proof that moderates hate progressives more than fascists.

It's not hate, it's disrespect.There are only two ways to earn political respect: votes and bullets.

These useless leftists better vote for us even though we aren't going to offer them anything. Now let's  see what we can offer disaffected Republucans for their votes!

Those who think punishing the Democrats with their wasted votes/non-votes will bring us a progressive utopia don't deserve any more respect than any Trump voter.

They're toddlers who believe stamping their little feet will make Mommy let them eat candy and cake for dinner every night.

They brought us 3 new, young Supreme Court justices who will be wrecking our lives for decades.


Shouldn't have nominated the centrist.
 
2020-09-27 11:29:37 AM  

jaytkay: IRestoreFurniture: If you're going to blame people whose vote you apparently couldn't win, maybe you need some introspection.

If you can't grasp the consequences of putting Republicans in the White House, well, good luck in life. You need it. Your cognitive impairments must make life difficult.


Perhaps you should look at your actions and their consequence on the occupant of the white house.
 
2020-09-27 11:31:55 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: Perhaps you should look at your actions and their consequence on the occupant of the white house.


Look at me with all my power. Look at me manipulating Donald Trump.

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
 
2020-09-27 11:32:49 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: jaytkay: IRestoreFurniture: If you're going to blame people whose vote you apparently couldn't win, maybe you need some introspection.

If you can't grasp the consequences of putting Republicans in the White House, well, good luck in life. You need it. Your cognitive impairments must make life difficult.

Perhaps you should look at your actions and their consequence on the occupant of the white house.


I hate fark mobile...


Because I did.  And as far as I'm concerned, the centrists tactic of shiatting on anyone not in lock step, did, with certainty cost them more votes than "or Buster's"

You still can't see that can you?

For every imagined "bro" you vanquished with your witty and healing repartee, it likely turned away 2 votes you could have had.

Hint, nobody likes being told that their political identify is racist and misogynists, when it isn't.
 
2020-09-27 11:32:57 AM  

Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?


I'm sure it's been covered ITT, but everything on your list except M4A and marijuana legalization is currently in the Democratic platform.
 
2020-09-27 11:34:04 AM  

Count Bakula: Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?

I'm sure it's been covered ITT, but everything on your list except M4A and marijuana legalization is currently in the Democratic platform.


M4A should be a non negotiable.
 
2020-09-27 11:34:42 AM  
This thread demonstrates why Democrats can continue to advertise not being an organized political party.
 
2020-09-27 11:36:40 AM  

Count Bakula: Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?

I'm sure it's been covered ITT, but everything on your list except M4A and marijuana legalization is currently in the Democratic platform.


Also not free or reduced tuition. You have to "qualify" to get that.
 
2020-09-27 11:38:58 AM  

misanthropicsob: Count Bakula: Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?

I'm sure it's been covered ITT, but everything on your list except M4A and marijuana legalization is currently in the Democratic platform.

Also not free or reduced tuition. You have to "qualify" to get that.


Let's not forget that little thing called fracking.  Which apparently the Dems are tires OK with.


Fire water for all!
 
2020-09-27 11:45:29 AM  

jaytkay: IRestoreFurniture: Perhaps you should look at your actions and their consequence on the occupant of the white house.

Look at me with all my power. Look at me manipulating Donald Trump.

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.


Do you really believe that's what I meant?  That some how, you, right now are influencing trump?

Talk about intellect.
 
2020-09-27 11:46:33 AM  
any criticism of Biden helps trump. act accordingly.
 
2020-09-27 11:56:46 AM  
"That's why adopting policies and finding candidates who speak to the needs of working people isn't just the right thing to do, it is critical for our party's long-term success,"

You mean all those racist hillbillies in flyover country?  No thanks!
 
2020-09-27 12:01:58 PM  
biden doesn't owe any of you cretins anything. he put in the work. it's his turn to be president. the alternative is the literal end of the world. you owe your vote not only to biden, but the whole democratic party. no criticism will be tolerated. none. VOTE
 
2020-09-27 12:04:47 PM  
Anyone who still needs to be convinced to vote Democrat -and that goes equally for GOP voters and disaffected progressives- deserves Republican governance.
 
2020-09-27 12:08:33 PM  
This thread: 
languagelog.ldc.upenn.eduView Full Size

Thanks guys, great thread. Lots of views, lots of clicks, lots of ad revenue - and the Democratic Party is just a little bit more divided.
\The Mods are Trumpers
 
2020-09-27 12:11:31 PM  

dylanthomas: wademh: Same tired false choice narrative.
It's not about getting red hats to change teams. It's about the large swath of people who don't like Trump and don't really want to vote for him but have been told for years about how Democrats want to destroy America.

There are more of them than there are die-hard progressives who need to be coddled in order to vote against Trump. The die-hard progressives have either decided to vote for the lesser evil in Biden or have taken their bat and ball and gone home and simply won't return. They've made up their mind. The people to get now are the wishy-washy ones, the rather ditsy ones.

It's so depressing that there are even that many factions in this country when to any clear minded observer it's more like

1) crazy inept huckster grifter know nothing fool
Vs
2) All in all, remember, like, 2015?  Shiat was pretty cool,right?


Except it really wasn't, unless you were white and financially comfortable.
 
2020-09-27 12:12:46 PM  

IRestoreFurniture: the centrists tactic of shiatting on anyone not in lock step


Those centrists assailing you in your imagination sure are terrible!

I am continually shocked that this has to be explained - elections are not about your feelings.

You don't have a personal relationship with the candidates. They aren't going to love you or hate you. The people on Facebook and Fark saying mean things aren't making policy. You aren't voting for them.

Grow up. Elections are about making the best real-world choice.
 
2020-09-27 12:18:04 PM  
if you aren't voting for biden, well, you're a racist piece of shiat that deserves to die. no exaggeration
 
2020-09-27 12:20:32 PM  

jaytkay: IRestoreFurniture: the centrists tactic of shiatting on anyone not in lock step

Those centrists assailing you in your imagination sure are terrible!

I am continually shocked that this has to be explained - elections are not about your feelings.

You don't have a personal relationship with the candidates. They aren't going to love you or hate you. The people on Facebook and Fark saying mean things aren't making policy. You aren't voting for them.

Grow up. Elections are about making the best real-world choice.


Way to prove his point.
 
2020-09-27 12:23:06 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: jaytkay: IRestoreFurniture: the centrists tactic of shiatting on anyone not in lock step

Those centrists assailing you in your imagination sure are terrible!

I am continually shocked that this has to be explained - elections are not about your feelings.

You don't have a personal relationship with the candidates. They aren't going to love you or hate you. The people on Facebook and Fark saying mean things aren't making policy. You aren't voting for them.

Grow up. Elections are about making the best real-world choice.

Way to prove his point.


Says the child who is still mad at Hillary for not personally holding his hand and begging for him to bestow his sacred and pure vote upon her.
 
2020-09-27 12:25:58 PM  
jaytkay is right the democratic party doesn't owe you sexist bros JACK shiat you racist farks

vote or die LITERALLY
 
2020-09-27 12:26:57 PM  

Insurgent: any criticism of Biden helps trump. act accordingly.


I feel like I'm taking stupid pills.
 
2020-09-27 12:27:33 PM  

Insurgent: jaytkay is right the democratic party doesn't owe you sexist bros JACK shiat you racist farks

vote or die LITERALLY


You might get some bites.
 
2020-09-27 12:30:22 PM  

jaytkay: AdmirableSnackbar: jaytkay: IRestoreFurniture: the centrists tactic of shiatting on anyone not in lock step

Those centrists assailing you in your imagination sure are terrible!

I am continually shocked that this has to be explained - elections are not about your feelings.

You don't have a personal relationship with the candidates. They aren't going to love you or hate you. The people on Facebook and Fark saying mean things aren't making policy. You aren't voting for them.

Grow up. Elections are about making the best real-world choice.

Way to prove his point.

Says the child who is still mad at Hillary for not personally holding his hand and begging for him to bestow his sacred and pure vote upon her.


Is...is that how you think voting works?
 
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