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(The Hill)   Rep. Ilhan Omar suggests maybe the Democrats try winning this time and focus their energy on getting "disaffected" voters to actually show up and vote this time rather than wasting their efforts trying to convince Republicans to leave the cult   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-09-27 5:32:13 AM  
Many of the same people who say Biden should move left to get more votes are also the same people who attack Biden for moving to the left just to get more votes. (Or pretend that he hasn't done enough)

You can't have it both ways.

If you want people to move to your side praise them when then do it some instead of attacking them for it.
 
2020-09-27 5:33:33 AM  
Of course, the advantage of targeting 'disaffected voters' is that you know they actually know how to vote.
 
2020-09-27 5:35:31 AM  

Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?


Biden is doing this
 
2020-09-27 5:45:09 AM  
Every time I visit a thread like this to maybe, maybe experience a little smidgeon of hope, my despair increases tenfold.
 
2020-09-27 5:50:05 AM  
News flash: extreme leftists in The Party dont like moderates.
Yawn.
 
2020-09-27 5:59:27 AM  
MegaLib: Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?

Biden is doing this


1. So far, only Harris supports decriminalizing marijuana. Biden only supports legalizing medical marijuana and wants to leave recreational use up to the states, so no Biden is not doing this.

2. The Biden campaign's stated position on Medicare 4 all is "Just expand obamacare" along with a bunch of nonsense tax credits when people are looking for something like other civilized nations have.

3. Biden's campaign site has no stated position on Maternity leave. If they've said anything, I've yet to find it from a cursory google search

4. His things with tuition and schooling has a lot of caveats and means testing to it. At the very least there's mention of support of relaxing bankrupcy rules (the same ones he helped get created in the first place as a senator...)

5. His green energy stuff is mostly a lot of vague claims, but will remain to be seen.

He's got some decent stuff in there, but don't lie about his actual positions.
 
2020-09-27 6:02:19 AM  

MegaLib: Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?

Biden is doing this


You do realize he has a website with all of his policies on it, right? Someone can debunk your lies with 33,000,000 results in 0.63 seconds.

"I'm going to go after employers who don't pay the minimum wage" - Dogshiat.
"I'm going to increase the affordability of higher education" - Maybe good, but too vague.
"I'm going to protect the ACA." - Dogshiat.
"We're going to build a green energy economy by 2050 (??!)" - Fatfark PolTabber's Saturday morning beer shiat.

If he can beat Trump with that, I'll be ecstatic. But if he loses we know a major reason is that he refused to go against corporate donors and support policies that American people want and need.
 
2020-09-27 6:02:52 AM  

Codenamechaz: MegaLib: Likwit: This has nothing to do with centrist and far-left and everything to do with corporate donors. Don't buy the propaganda.

A majority of Dems, Independents and Republicans support legalizing marijuana and federal funding for maternity leave. A majority of Dems and Independents support a higher minimum wage, free or reduced tuition for state schools, M4A, and green energy initiatives. Why don't they try to grab as many votes as possible and add these popular policies to their platform?

Biden is doing this

1. So far, only Harris supports decriminalizing marijuana. Biden only supports legalizing medical marijuana and wants to leave recreational use up to the states, so no Biden is not doing this.

2. The Biden campaign's stated position on Medicare 4 all is "Just expand obamacare" along with a bunch of nonsense tax credits when people are looking for something like other civilized nations have.

3. Biden's campaign site has no stated position on Maternity leave. If they've said anything, I've yet to find it from a cursory google search

4. His things with tuition and schooling has a lot of caveats and means testing to it. At the very least there's mention of support of relaxing bankrupcy rules (the same ones he helped get created in the first place as a senator...)

5. His green energy stuff is mostly a lot of vague claims, but will remain to be seen.

He's got some decent stuff in there, but don't lie about his actual positions.


Umm, that account's job is to portray a democrat as Republicans see them.
 
2020-09-27 6:16:52 AM  
Percentage of voters who didn't vote in 2016: 46.9

                                                   in 2012: 42.5

                                                   in 2008: 37.7

Rep Omar is absolutely correct. Folks in this thread seem to be indicating that the percentage of non-voters is some static number of people who never vote. It's a flexible portion of the population who, in 2016, were clearly not excited at all to be voting for either the obvious lying con man, or the most demonized Dem candidate in modern history.
 
2020-09-27 6:29:47 AM  

Naido: the unabomber was right: She thinks that will work better than yelling at and blaming all third party and non-voters for this being their fault and they should be ashamed of themselves? Doesn't sound like the Democrats I know.

"Everyone who didn't vote for us in 2016 is an evil, racist monster!  All you evil, racist monsters had damn well better vote for us in 2020!!"


Are you somehow oblivious to what's been going on for the last four years?
 
2020-09-27 6:33:29 AM  

puffy999: Smackledorfer: When Dems reach right, they aren't trying to get David duke and the proud boys' vote. They are chasing the 90 million non-voters.

Some progressives believe the bulk of whatever portion of that 90 million can be convinced to vote is progressive. They also believe chasing them will cost few votes from the center.

Other people believe that the bulk of the influencable 90 million is moderate, and that chasing them will cost fewer hard left votes than they gain.

Both are right in specific locations, I'm sure. I don't know which strategy is the best; I do know anyone complaining they are too center for Dems or too leftist for Dems should show the fark up at a primary and be heard. I also know there is no logical explanation for Dems to deliberately choose the wrong strategy.

However corrupt you may find them, being in office is superior to losing.

I don't know how to convince the party to lean left more than center when their leftists can't win primaries.

The party doesn't need to shift to "free taxpayer abortions in every town over 500 people" or "no guns ever" like the myth seems to be, the one that a lot of these undecided voters may buy.

But the reality is this: we don't know farkall about "leftists winning primaries" when THE PARTY ITSELF IS OPPOSING THE LEFTISTS IN MOST CASES.
I'm not Bro-ing there. My Rep is DeFazio, a rather moderate Democrat, but a wise one who deserves to keep winning. He wins, seemingly in part by representing liberal Democrats as well as 80s style Oregon Republicans... But sadly the Democratic Party doesn't endorse the few right-leaning ideas he has, either, so instead of a guy who should have 70% of the vote each year, he's dragged into a fight.


"The party itself is opposing leftists"?

What the fark do you think a primary is, exactly?
 
2020-09-27 7:29:04 AM  

qorkfiend: puffy999: Smackledorfer: When Dems reach right, they aren't trying to get David duke and the proud boys' vote. They are chasing the 90 million non-voters.

Some progressives believe the bulk of whatever portion of that 90 million can be convinced to vote is progressive. They also believe chasing them will cost few votes from the center.

Other people believe that the bulk of the influencable 90 million is moderate, and that chasing them will cost fewer hard left votes than they gain.

Both are right in specific locations, I'm sure. I don't know which strategy is the best; I do know anyone complaining they are too center for Dems or too leftist for Dems should show the fark up at a primary and be heard. I also know there is no logical explanation for Dems to deliberately choose the wrong strategy.

However corrupt you may find them, being in office is superior to losing.

I don't know how to convince the party to lean left more than center when their leftists can't win primaries.

The party doesn't need to shift to "free taxpayer abortions in every town over 500 people" or "no guns ever" like the myth seems to be, the one that a lot of these undecided voters may buy.

But the reality is this: we don't know farkall about "leftists winning primaries" when THE PARTY ITSELF IS OPPOSING THE LEFTISTS IN MOST CASES.
I'm not Bro-ing there. My Rep is DeFazio, a rather moderate Democrat, but a wise one who deserves to keep winning. He wins, seemingly in part by representing liberal Democrats as well as 80s style Oregon Republicans... But sadly the Democratic Party doesn't endorse the few right-leaning ideas he has, either, so instead of a guy who should have 70% of the vote each year, he's dragged into a fight.

"The party itself is opposing leftists"?

What the fark do you think a primary is, exactly?


An anti-electoral hoedown to see who can get the most compromising image of themselves taking a bite out of a corn a dog in Iowa?
 
2020-09-27 7:31:09 AM  
One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.
 
2020-09-27 8:05:19 AM  
Real populism is a left wing thing, always has been. It is literally lifting all boats. This is how you defeat republicans.

It allowed democrats to dominatethe federal government from the 30's to the late 70's when they rejected it. It was hugely popular.
How Post-Watergate Liberals Killed Their Populist Soul - The Atlantic

It is also the roots of the democratic party.

"When Thomas Jefferson and James Madison founded the party in 1792, their goal was to oppose Alexander Hamilton's plan to centralize power in a financial aristocracy tied to the state. In place of Hamilton's vision of an America in which a few capitalists managed most business, leaders of the new party envisioned a political economy in which fighting monopoly and the concentration of power would foster the creation of independent, self-governing citizens."
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/​a​rchive/2017/02/antimonopoly-big-busine​ss/514358/

Giving the right to the opportunity to steal and pervert that mantle into something else has been the democrats biggest mistake.

What republicans and other authoritarians play with is more accurately called Sado-populism.

Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 4: Sadopopulism
Youtube oOjJtEkKMX4
 
2020-09-27 8:26:14 AM  

middlewaytao: Real populism is a left wing thing, always has been. It is literally lifting all boats. This is how you defeat republicans.

It allowed democrats to dominatethe federal government from the 30's to the late 70's when they rejected it. It was hugely popular.
How Post-Watergate Liberals Killed Their Populist Soul - The Atlantic

It is also the roots of the democratic party.

"When Thomas Jefferson and James Madison founded the party in 1792, their goal was to oppose Alexander Hamilton's plan to centralize power in a financial aristocracy tied to the state. In place of Hamilton's vision of an America in which a few capitalists managed most business, leaders of the new party envisioned a political economy in which fighting monopoly and the concentration of power would foster the creation of independent, self-governing citizens."
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/a​rchive/2017/02/antimonopoly-big-busine​ss/514358/

Giving the right to the opportunity to steal and pervert that mantle into something else has been the democrats biggest mistake.

What republicans and other authoritarians play with is more accurately called Sado-populism.

[YouTube video: Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 4: Sadopopulism]


So you disagree with Rep. Ilhan and think the Democrats should devote all their energy to recapturing the rural southern voters who were the anchor FDR's New Deal coalition?
 
2020-09-27 8:32:31 AM  
But centrists will continue to look down on everyone, blame the voters for not showing up and wonder why they are relegated to a symbolic opposition party in the federal government.

It is the boomer attitude in action.
 
2020-09-27 8:39:47 AM  
Reaching out to people who despise you for made up reasons is a waste of time. They have to voluntarily reenter the world of reality.
 
2020-09-27 8:42:12 AM  

What the hell was that: The primaries were full of different candidates. They didn't show up then, why are they gonna show up now? The thing we know about Republicans who voted for Trump is that they did vote.

I'm not saying don't try, but let's not pretend they didn't have options before.


Because 2/3rds of the entire country didn't even get the chance to vote in the primaries before Biden became the defacto nominee. My state's primary wasn't until June for example. He was in 5th place, he was losing until 2nd and 4th place dropped out to support him. The voters barely got a say.
 
2020-09-27 8:47:17 AM  

Kick The Chair: [Fark user image image 425x258]


The people that chose to not vote last time will likely choose to not vote this time. They are even more stupid than republicans.
 
2020-09-27 8:49:14 AM  
Winning because you are the only opposition to republicans getting most everything they wanted which made their brand tank in the sort term is not how you win control of the federal government. It is riding the political winds that can and will swing back the other way.

It should not take an incompetent moron like donald farking trump to beat republicans, you should be crushing them with policy for everyone. They literally only represent the wealthy and powerful, there is no reason you should be loosing to them.
 
2020-09-27 8:49:43 AM  

middlewaytao: But centrists will continue to look down on everyone, blame the voters for not showing up and wonder why they are relegated to a symbolic opposition party in the federal government.

It is the boomer attitude in action.


Yes, I do in fact look down on people who need to be cajoled into fighting actual literal Nazis because they don't think they're getting enough out of it
 
2020-09-27 8:53:03 AM  
Another thread offering proof that moderates hate progressives more than fascists.
 
2020-09-27 8:54:43 AM  

dababler: Kick The Chair: [Fark user image image 425x258]

The people that chose to not vote last time will likely choose to not vote this time. They are even more stupid than republicans.


Not nearly as stupid as dooming the rest of us by acting like you are too good for the voters in a representative democracy. I

n what reality does this make sense?
 
2020-09-27 8:57:06 AM  
"No just or good state can be created out of mindless averaging of complex theories of what is just or good. These centrists, these hipsters, must come to understand that statecraft is not a subject for neophytes, it is not one at which you can cheat your way through. Positions must be thought over and well-considered, because should you succeed in implementing an ill-considered theory or policy, real people in the real world are injured by it. It is irresponsible to do anything less. "

https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2013/0​1​/04/intellectual-hipsters-centrists/
 
2020-09-27 9:13:42 AM  

Sophont: Another thread offering proof that moderatesprogressives hate progressives moderates more than fascists.


FTFY.  Of course the "progressives" we're talking about here are Fark ProgressivesTM.  Actual progressives, like Bernie, don't have to be convinced to vote Nazis out of office.
 
2020-09-27 9:14:12 AM  

middlewaytao: "No just or good state can be created out of mindless averaging of complex theories of what is just or good. These centrists, these hipsters, must come to understand that statecraft is not a subject for neophytes, it is not one at which you can cheat your way through. Positions must be thought over and well-considered, because should you succeed in implementing an ill-considered theory or policy, real people in the real world are injured by it. It is irresponsible to do anything less. "

https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2013/01​/04/intellectual-hipsters-centrists/


What a steaming pile of misunderstanding. It's hard to take seriously those who insist on mischaracterizing those that they refuse to listen to, and those who falsely lump diversity of opinion into simplistic pigeon-hole caricatures.
 
2020-09-27 9:18:38 AM  
Huh. Someone who succeeded in the two party trainwreck who understands this chart. I am sincerely surprised.
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2020-09-27 9:24:53 AM  

Laobaojun: Huh. Someone who succeeded in the two party trainwreck who understands this chart. I am sincerely surprised.
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Because they were the ones who put in the effort to vote and shiat all over it
 
2020-09-27 9:32:05 AM  

qorkfiend: Laobaojun: Huh. Someone who succeeded in the two party trainwreck who understands this chart. I am sincerely surprised.
[Fark user image image 850x627]

Because they were the ones who put in the effort to vote and shiat all over it


Your candidate is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2020-09-27 9:33:04 AM  

puffy999: Clearly Canadian: I love this thread already.

I'll just ask it, because no one's asked it yet. If the people who would seriously vote for Trump would change their minds, why does he still poll where he does?

Everyone who thinks courting the middle works clearly refuses to read even one single about why people vote for Treason in the first place. They refuse to read up about why so many democrats sat out the 2016 election. They have their projections about reality, and reject any other possibilities or research. Just like the rest of the right.

What?

The goal is to get those people who don't vote.

Literally the only people who seem to want to get Trump voters themselves are idiots like Biden, but they're not in this thread.


As the polls have shown, the people that voted for Pinocchio in 2016 are going to do the same this time, whether or not his policies have hurt them personally. The people that voted for Clinton, even if holding their nose, will be voting for Biden. The only wiggle room is the people that didn't want to vote for a Clinton, after decades of right-wing disparagement, and thought she would win without their vote.
Those are the people that have to be convinced that their vote, and every vote matters. Start asking if they are better off now than they were 4 years ago. Stop letting the narrative be "do you feel better now that someone else is more miserable than they were 4 years ago?"
 
2020-09-27 9:37:40 AM  

Creidiki: But then the Democrat would have to push policies that appeal to majority of to voters. You know, the kind of extreme socialism practised in the rest of the developed world.
Education, social security, health cafe.
The horror... The horror...


That explains Bernie's blowout victories.
 
2020-09-27 9:43:21 AM  

GoldSpider: Creidiki: But then the Democrat would have to push policies that appeal to majority of to voters. You know, the kind of extreme socialism practised in the rest of the developed world.
Education, social security, health cafe.
The horror... The horror...

That explains Bernie's blowout victories.


We can't all be Buttigeig claiming victory with no results.
 
2020-09-27 9:44:11 AM  

Naido: Scythed: Somebody who voted for Trump is a voter. You know they're paying attention to politics and going to the polls. If you flip them, its -1 for Trump and +1 for you.

Meanwhile, most non-voters don't know the first thing about the political process and the whole thing makes them feel confused and uncomfortable. If they haven't felt any engagement after four straight years of Trump destroying the country then there's no way you're going to pick them up off of the sidelines in the last five weeks of a campaign, and even if you do, it's only a +1 in your column.

The people who voted for Obama and then Trump, the kinds of people who made the difference in the state's that mattered?  Do you suppose they're "centrist"?  I think they're the people who are trying to vote against business as usual.

Nearly every working person in the country, of any race, knows that what we're doing now isn't working.  It's become obvious even to idiots.  They were trying to stop the cycle of "everything is pretty much ok, let's just tinker".

Republicans are going to learn, politically not substantively, from the populism wave on both "sides".  And they're going to have candidates who aren't Trump-level morons to carry their message.  And Democrats will react to that, and look like the business as usual party again.

It's not going to work.  We keep waiting for Republicans to decide what they are then working from there to decide what *we* are, what we can get away with, how to sell *just enough* (precious little) of what we want.  People can see it, and it's going to become *less* effective, not more.

We need to decide what we are, and let Republicans respond.  This is the last Trump we're going to get who doesn't know what they're doing.  The next one's gonna kill us if we keep doing this


The silver lining might be that a "smarter" Trump isn't nearly as appealing to the rubes.
 
2020-09-27 9:46:47 AM  

Sophont: Another thread offering proof that moderates hate progressives more than fascists.


It's not hate, it's disrespect.There are only two ways to earn political respect: votes and bullets.
 
2020-09-27 9:47:44 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.


A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!
 
2020-09-27 9:49:08 AM  

middlewaytao: But centrists will continue to look down on everyone, blame the voters for not showing up and wonder why they are relegated to a symbolic opposition party in the federal government.

It is the boomer attitude in action.


If I don't vote it's my fault, as it is any voter's fault for not voting.
 
2020-09-27 9:51:29 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: GoldSpider: Creidiki: But then the Democrat would have to push policies that appeal to majority of to voters. You know, the kind of extreme socialism practised in the rest of the developed world.
Education, social security, health cafe.
The horror... The horror...

That explains Bernie's blowout victories.

We can't all be Buttigeig claiming victory with no results.


Who here is claiming that there are millions of Buttigieg voters just waiting for sufficient inspiration?
 
2020-09-27 9:59:38 AM  
Al Tsheimers:

As the polls have shown, the people that voted for Pinocchio in 2016 are going to do the same this time, whether or not his policies have hurt them personally. The people that voted for Clinton, even if holding their nose, will be voting for Biden. The only wiggle room is the people that didn't want to vote for a Clinton, after decades of right-wing disparagement, and thought she would win without their vote.
Those are the people that have to be convinced that their vote, and every vote matters. Start asking if they are better off now than they were 4 years ago. Stop letting the narrative be "do you feel better now that someone else is more miserable than they were 4 years ago?"


Not just convinced their vote matters, but maybe even encouraged to vote on issues of local and state level, too. "Vote Biden or we'll shoot his dog" while effective, doesn't really make people excited about the process. Or interested. We need better than that.
 
2020-09-27 10:02:49 AM  

GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.

A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!


Let's just keep voting for Democrats because they've been so effective at stopping a totalitarian from usurping the checks and balances of the federal government.
 
2020-09-27 10:05:13 AM  

the unabomber was right: She thinks that will work better than yelling at and blaming all third party and non-voters for this being their fault and they should be ashamed of themselves? Doesn't sound like the Democrats I know.


You forgot, blaming those who actually did vote, and even for the "right candidate" because they had an opinion.
 
2020-09-27 10:06:12 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.

A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!

Let's just keep voting for Democrats because they've been so effective at stopping a totalitarian from usurping the checks and balances of the federal government.


Perhaps you guys should try putting up a candidate who isn't a Democrat.

Oh...
 
2020-09-27 10:07:03 AM  

New Burner Account: Yeah get the kids off mom's couch long enough to vote.  That plan worked out swimmingly for Bernie's blowouts of hillary and biden.

Oh wait.


Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.


Which apparently has still left some people severely butthurt.
 
2020-09-27 10:08:56 AM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: the unabomber was right: She thinks that will work better than yelling at and blaming all third party and non-voters for this being their fault and they should be ashamed of themselves? Doesn't sound like the Democrats I know.

Boobies out of the gate you climbed right up on that cross didn't you. No delay just went right up there didn't you?


It's not climbing on any cross if it's true


How's your cross working out by the way?
 
2020-09-27 10:09:11 AM  

GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.

A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!

Let's just keep voting for Democrats because they've been so effective at stopping a totalitarian from usurping the checks and balances of the federal government.

Perhaps you guys should try putting up a candidate who isn't a Democrat.

Oh...


You mean the party split is all in anything but name at this point? You sure are smart.
 
2020-09-27 10:10:43 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.


That means something.
 
2020-09-27 10:12:46 AM  

recombobulator: That totally worked for Bernie in the primary.  Let's try it again in the general!


This makes me laugh "please, don't criticise the Dems or biden because it's going to make trump win and if you do you're a Trumper"


But feel free to keep shiatting on the actual people whose votes you need.


Seems like a poor tactic.
 
2020-09-27 10:14:10 AM  

GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.

That means something.


Yes.  You purposely left out the second part of my post.
 
2020-09-27 10:14:42 AM  

GoldSpider: IRestoreFurniture: Bernie got 43% of dem primary votes in 2016.

That means something.


I mean -I- voted for Bernie over Hillary in 2016 but that doesn't mean I'd convinced myself of an impending progressive wave about to break.
 
2020-09-27 10:15:19 AM  

GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: GoldSpider: Creidiki: But then the Democrat would have to push policies that appeal to majority of to voters. You know, the kind of extreme socialism practised in the rest of the developed world.
Education, social security, health cafe.
The horror... The horror...

That explains Bernie's blowout victories.

We can't all be Buttigeig claiming victory with no results.

Who here is claiming that there are millions of Buttigieg voters just waiting for sufficient inspiration?


Yang himself stated that a large majority of his voters won't vote for Biden.
 
2020-09-27 10:15:53 AM  

GoldSpider: Night Train to Wakanda: One thing is for sure, the split is coming. And the divorce is going to be ugly.

I just wonder how the conservative Democrats will make their bones when they realize they were the baddies the whole time.

A Democratic Party split would REALLY show those Republicans what for!


Then stop working to alienate a large part of it.
 
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