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(Tom's Hardware)   Some NVIDIA 3080 cards are having actual problems. If yours is one of them, more details in thread   (tomshardware.com) divider line
    More: Sad, Capacitor, graphics cards, Scalable Link Interface, type of capacitor, Video In Video Out, Nvidia GeForce RTX, probable source of the issues, increasing number of reports of crashes  
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2020-09-26 10:24:28 PM  
Replacement capacitors aren't able to filter noise at the boost frequency, flooding the card with EMI.  This can cause crash to desktop, or even BSOD.  What they did is very bad, and they should feel bad.

The quickest solution I've seen is using Afterburner to artificially limit the power.  Try 95%, then 90%, and keep going until you stop getting the issue.  It'll automatically limit the 'boost' and hopefully you'll stay below the capacitor's ability to filter.

But some experts are suggesting the clock has to drop to about 1200 for those capacitors to actually filter anything.  The original caps were good to 10k.  Article has a fairly clear description of the two capacitor types.

This is gonna be a mess.
 
2020-09-26 10:26:29 PM  
Good thing nobody actually has 3080 cards.

It'll get fixed in a board respin and current owners will get a new one.
 
2020-09-26 10:26:41 PM  
Lol, like I have a 3080
 
2020-09-26 10:28:28 PM  

aungen: Replacement capacitors aren't able to filter noise at the boost frequency, flooding the card with EMI.  This can cause crash to desktop, or even BSOD.  What they did is very bad, and they should feel bad.

The quickest solution I've seen is using Afterburner to artificially limit the power.  Try 95%, then 90%, and keep going until you stop getting the issue.  It'll automatically limit the 'boost' and hopefully you'll stay below the capacitor's ability to filter.

But some experts are suggesting the clock has to drop to about 1200 for those capacitors to actually filter anything.  The original caps were good to 10k.  Article has a fairly clear description of the two capacitor types.

This is gonna be a mess.


Capacitor Plague 2020!
 
2020-09-26 10:30:14 PM  
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2020-09-26 10:48:20 PM  
10s of people must be crushed by this news.
 
2020-09-26 10:53:55 PM  
$700 video card?
My whole computer cost less
 
2020-09-26 11:03:08 PM  
Anything is a filter, if you're brave enough.
 
2020-09-26 11:06:06 PM  
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2020-09-26 11:22:27 PM  

cretinbob: $700 video card?
My whole computer cost less


I paid over $500 for my 1080.  9 months after that I got a 2070 for a little less and my same exact 1080 was over $700.  Damn cryptocurrency.
 
2020-09-27 12:14:35 AM  

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I don't think Sammy Davis Jr. Talked like that.
 
2020-09-27 12:15:19 AM  
I call this "early adopter sydrome".
 
2020-09-27 2:24:41 AM  
I spent $1195 or something on my Titan X a few years back, and it's been paying dividends for that entire time. I keep looking at the specs and I can tell they're better now I guess, but never enough to really desire one and all new games are still running on ultra

/back when I had money
//long story about how I accidentally ended up with it for free anyway
///editor/filmmaker more than a gamer
 
2020-09-27 2:31:56 AM  
PC MASTER RA--(crashes to desktop)
 
2020-09-27 2:55:22 AM  
In my 20s I would've laughed at the idea of paying that kinda money for a gpu.

With age comes the realization that nothibg matters and I might as well have some fun before the Big Sleep.

/gonna wait and see what amd offers then order an new card early - 21.
 
2020-09-27 3:02:52 AM  

DrowningLessons: I spent $1195 or something on my Titan X a few years back, and it's been paying dividends for that entire time. I keep looking at the specs and I can tell they're better now I guess, but never enough to really desire one and all new games are still running on ultra

/back when I had money
//long story about how I accidentally ended up with it for free anyway
///editor/filmmaker more than a gamer


Gamer, I do not but graphics over 400, I can wait, or the game can wait.  If I was getting paid for using the newest thing, then great, will have.  My industry, much like gaming, forces us to use software in development, so what I could do in 20 minutes 3 months ago, now take me an hour.  Whomever made this decision to go live with half baked sales software, that person should change bedpans in a coronovirus ward, or at least be forced to eat it.
 
2020-09-27 3:20:56 AM  
2080ti owners are master race again?
 
2020-09-27 3:24:55 AM  
They said this problem is confined to reviewers who got the bad batch prior to commercial release so if you are affected, congrats on getting pre-release stuff and I don't have much pity for your tribulations regarding pre-release stuff. Presumably being a reviewer you have your regular graphics card on hand you can swap right back in.
 
2020-09-27 4:23:13 AM  

Puffy McBooze: DrowningLessons: I spent $1195 or something on my Titan X a few years back, and it's been paying dividends for that entire time. I keep looking at the specs and I can tell they're better now I guess, but never enough to really desire one and all new games are still running on ultra

/back when I had money
//long story about how I accidentally ended up with it for free anyway
///editor/filmmaker more than a gamer

Gamer, I do not but graphics over 400, I can wait, or the game can wait.  If I was getting paid for using the newest thing, then great, will have.  My industry, much like gaming, forces us to use software in development, so what I could do in 20 minutes 3 months ago, now take me an hour.  Whomever made this decision to go live with half baked sales software, that person should change bedpans in a coronovirus ward, or at least be forced to eat it.


The dirty secret of high end cards is that you have to be doing crazy stuff to need one. If you're playing on a WQHD or less screen, there is nothing with a 3080 anyway but wasted money and power. 4k60 is cool for bragging rights. It's really hard to tell if you're in HQ versus ultra quality, too.
 
2020-09-27 4:40:09 AM  

BolloxReader: They said this problem is confined to reviewers who got the bad batch prior to commercial release so if you are affected, congrats on getting pre-release stuff and I don't have much pity for your tribulations regarding pre-release stuff. Presumably being a reviewer you have your regular graphics card on hand you can swap right back in.


It was just EVGA that caught it prior to release.  While some EVGA cards went out to reviewers with the possibly problematic design, the delayed their market release to fix the issue.  A few other makers did however release problematic designs into the market and that's where some consumers are having problems.  So it's not just pre-release cards having the problem; there are consumer cards with the issue, just not EVGA cards.
 
2020-09-27 7:43:36 AM  
Ita so obvious they are going to come out with better Ti versions in a few months that blow the other ones away for 50$ more anyway.
1080tis are still some of the best card purchases I made.

Right after the Radeon 9700 pro. What a monster that thing was.
 
2020-09-27 8:16:35 AM  
And here I am thinking I'm hot shiat for upgrading my GTX550Ti to an RX480 a year and a half ago.
 
2020-09-27 8:24:03 AM  
I've been in the electronics/computer game since '96. Who the fark is still dumb enough to buy a first revision of anything at this point? Oh yeah, a healthy mix of the rich and ignorant.

This isn't sad it's stupid.
 
2020-09-27 8:24:15 AM  
I just pulled the trigger on a new build just last night, featuring a GTX 1660 Super. Its the fanciest video card I'll have bought since my Voodoo3.

The 3080s cost more than my whole build. Foodbank is getting most of my 'entertainment' budget these days.

/Feeling like a fancy pants
 
2020-09-27 8:33:32 AM  
I do like EVGA. I had a 1080 that failed with about a month left in the 3 year warrantee and they RMA'd the card and sent me back a 1080TI. That bought my business for years to come.
 
2020-09-27 9:18:49 AM  

likefunbutnot: Puffy McBooze: DrowningLessons: I spent $1195 or something on my Titan X a few years back, and it's been paying dividends for that entire time. I keep looking at the specs and I can tell they're better now I guess, but never enough to really desire one and all new games are still running on ultra

/back when I had money
//long story about how I accidentally ended up with it for free anyway
///editor/filmmaker more than a gamer

Gamer, I do not but graphics over 400, I can wait, or the game can wait.  If I was getting paid for using the newest thing, then great, will have.  My industry, much like gaming, forces us to use software in development, so what I could do in 20 minutes 3 months ago, now take me an hour.  Whomever made this decision to go live with half baked sales software, that person should change bedpans in a coronovirus ward, or at least be forced to eat it.

The dirty secret of high end cards is that you have to be doing crazy stuff to need one. If you're playing on a WQHD or less screen, there is nothing with a 3080 anyway but wasted money and power. 4k60 is cool for bragging rights. It's really hard to tell if you're in HQ versus ultra quality, too.


This is not true.  But it is like sound quality.  If you can't hear the difference, then it's good enough for you, and you can save money.

If you can't see the difference, then don't spend money on it (unless you host others who can).  If you're able to see the difference easily, then it's incredible, and worth it if you can afford it.
 
2020-09-27 9:43:23 AM  
Won't somebody PLEEEZE think of the Bitcoin Miners!!!111!!

/no, fark em.
 
2020-09-27 10:03:03 AM  

aungen: likefunbutnot: Puffy McBooze: DrowningLessons: I spent $1195 or something on my Titan X a few years back, and it's been paying dividends for that entire time. I keep looking at the specs and I can tell they're better now I guess, but never enough to really desire one and all new games are still running on ultra

/back when I had money
//long story about how I accidentally ended up with it for free anyway
///editor/filmmaker more than a gamer

Gamer, I do not but graphics over 400, I can wait, or the game can wait.  If I was getting paid for using the newest thing, then great, will have.  My industry, much like gaming, forces us to use software in development, so what I could do in 20 minutes 3 months ago, now take me an hour.  Whomever made this decision to go live with half baked sales software, that person should change bedpans in a coronovirus ward, or at least be forced to eat it.

The dirty secret of high end cards is that you have to be doing crazy stuff to need one. If you're playing on a WQHD or less screen, there is nothing with a 3080 anyway but wasted money and power. 4k60 is cool for bragging rights. It's really hard to tell if you're in HQ versus ultra quality, too.

This is not true.  But it is like sound quality.  If you can't hear the difference, then it's good enough for you, and you can save money.

If you can't see the difference, then don't spend money on it (unless you host others who can).  If you're able to see the difference easily, then it's incredible, and worth it if you can afford it.


It's true. Put Doom Eternal (or whatever the kids do)  in  at highest settings side by side with Doom one graphical step down. You have to stop playing the game to pixel peep if you want to tell whether or not you're in screenshot quality mode.  And the x070 or x060-class cards can handle the 1440p  or 1080p versions of that title at playable frame rates just fine.

If you are buying the most expensive rig with the most expensive kit, good for you, but if you play on a five year old screen that doesn't even do the Frame Sync stuff new monitors do, it's not the overwhelming upgrade in the world. It's just pointless bragging rights until game engines catch up... At which point there will be some newer $1000 card.

I've had top end cards for about the last 15 years. They're not that exciting unless you're jacking off to an FPS counter.
 
2020-09-27 10:37:35 AM  

enry: Good thing nobody actually has 3080 cards.

It'll get fixed in a board respin and current owners will get a new one.


No it won't. But you can expect a firmware update limiting overclocking.
 
2020-09-27 10:41:44 AM  

likefunbutnot: The dirty secret of high end cards is that you have to be doing crazy stuff to need one.


Enthusiasts like to do crazy stuff, and most of the people in lines on the release day were enthusiasts.

As far as need? There are many things in life you don't really need, but you get them anyway because you enjoy them.

And many of these cards will be used for workstations that do actual tasks that require high end cards.

I'm sure there is no dirty secret of high end cards. The people buying them know the difference between want and need.
 
2020-09-27 10:53:29 AM  
likefunbutnot:

"I've had top end cards for about the last 15 years. They're not that exciting unless you're jacking off to an FPS counter."

I've got a 4K screen for work, and saw the difference when I booked it up and ran some games on it.  I tested Total War strategy games, story games like Detroit: Become Human, and FPS like Destiny.  Kingdoms Come: Deliverance and Mass Effect Andromeda even benefitted significantly.

So I got my card and monitor, and it's been a fantastic 2 years.  Though I don't like playing maxed out. Most games have gone a bit too far with effects. So it's mostly the textures and detail and clarity that I like.
 
2020-09-27 11:12:31 AM  

UberDave: cretinbob: $700 video card?
My whole computer cost less

I paid over $500 for my 1080.  9 months after that I got a 2070 for a little less and my same exact 1080 was over $700.  Damn cryptocurrency.


When the Geforce 256 came out I got one. Most expensive component I ever bought. I was playing lots of Quake at the time. Now I don't need that much power.
 
2020-09-27 11:17:17 AM  

aungen: likefunbutnot: Puffy McBooze: DrowningLessons: I spent $1195 or something on my Titan X a few years back, and it's been paying dividends for that entire time. I keep looking at the specs and I can tell they're better now I guess, but never enough to really desire one and all new games are still running on ultra

/back when I had money
//long story about how I accidentally ended up with it for free anyway
///editor/filmmaker more than a gamer

Gamer, I do not but graphics over 400, I can wait, or the game can wait.  If I was getting paid for using the newest thing, then great, will have.  My industry, much like gaming, forces us to use software in development, so what I could do in 20 minutes 3 months ago, now take me an hour.  Whomever made this decision to go live with half baked sales software, that person should change bedpans in a coronovirus ward, or at least be forced to eat it.

The dirty secret of high end cards is that you have to be doing crazy stuff to need one. If you're playing on a WQHD or less screen, there is nothing with a 3080 anyway but wasted money and power. 4k60 is cool for bragging rights. It's really hard to tell if you're in HQ versus ultra quality, too.

This is not true.  But it is like sound quality.  If you can't hear the difference, then it's good enough for you, and you can save money.

If you can't see the difference, then don't spend money on it (unless you host others who can).  If you're able to see the difference easily, then it's incredible, and worth it if you can afford it.


I have a 1070Ti on 1440p.  Upgrading to a 20 series never made sense.  If ray tracing is in more games in the future and you want it, upgrading to a 3080 and holding it for a generation or two makes sense, especially at this cost otherwise get the 3070.  I'm future proofed if I want to go to 4k.
 
2020-09-27 11:30:00 AM  

BolloxReader: They said this problem is confined to reviewers who got the bad batch prior to commercial release so if you are affected, congrats on getting pre-release stuff and I don't have much pity for your tribulations regarding pre-release stuff. Presumably being a reviewer you have your regular graphics card on hand you can swap right back in.


Except it's not just reviews with problems, it's end users whom were able to actually get third party cards shipped to them.
It's all over their forums, and the igor labs link verifies that it's pretty much everyone but the Founders Edition and ASUS cards having problems, and EVGA came out and admitted this was a problem with first run production units and it's why they delayed one of their models from launch.
 
2020-09-27 11:34:49 AM  
It's pretty telling who in this thread plays games on a 4K screen/ultra wide screen resolution vs those that don't.
 
2020-09-27 11:36:04 AM  
I scored a 3090 on launch, so I'm getting a kick.
It's a godsend for Unreal development. Seriously so much better than the 2080 ti. Runs a lot hotter. No problems as of yet.
 
2020-09-27 11:48:44 AM  
I assume it's very different, but I'm reminded of the bad caps fiasco that Dell faced with scores of GX270s back in the early-mid 2000s.
 
2020-09-27 11:54:09 AM  
I'm watching this right now... good break down and analysis of problematic cards:
The RTX 3080 Launch can't get any worse... Right? Wrong...
Youtube x6bUUEEe-X8
 
2020-09-27 12:13:49 PM  

envirovore: It's pretty telling who in this thread plays games on a 4K screen/ultra wide screen resolution vs those that don't.


Yup. Running a gtx1080 plain with a 32" curved 1920X1080 144Mhz monitor. I don't see going to a 4k monitor any time soon so the 1080 is going to continue giving me the FPS I need for a while more.
 
2020-09-27 12:53:26 PM  

germ78: Won't somebody PLEEEZE think of the Bitcoin Miners!!!111!!

/no, fark em.


The 3080 isn't of much interest to miners, from my understanding.  While it's a powerful card, it's also a hungry beast and that screws up it's efficiency when it comes to mining.
 
2020-09-27 1:22:20 PM  

chaoswolf: envirovore: It's pretty telling who in this thread plays games on a 4K screen/ultra wide screen resolution vs those that don't.

Yup. Running a gtx1080 plain with a 32" curved 1920X1080 144Mhz monitor. I don't see going to a 4k monitor any time soon so the 1080 is going to continue giving me the FPS I need for a while more.


Yup, that'll do just fine at 1440 if you have no desire for Ray Tracing.
I plan on picking one of these 3080's up as my 2060 (yeah, i know, it's what came with the system though) just won't cut it on newer titles without having to play on one of my 1080 monitors, which is very uncomfortable to do with how I have everything set up.

That and I can afford it finally, so might as well get something that'll take full advantage of my TV at 60+ FPS.
 
2020-09-27 5:32:53 PM  
I'm waiting on AMD.

I'm not an AMD fanboi I just think Intel and Nvidia have abused their market dominance by massively overcharging for enthusiast parts. Nvidia could have made healthy profits with the 2080ti at $900 and Intel charged $2000 for the 9980x while the nearly identical 10980x was $1000 because Intel had competition again for higher performance machines. They charged as much as they thought they could and screwed consumers out of their hard earned money.

So, for now, Intel and Nvidia aren't going to get my money based purely on how I think companies should price their products even when they have market dominance. I know I'll have less performance but I can stand fewer frames. Companies should make money but abusing your market position to way overcharge on halo products is no bueno in my book.
 
2020-09-27 7:12:14 PM  

Nexzus: I assume it's very different, but I'm reminded of the bad caps fiasco that Dell faced with scores of GX270s back in the early-mid 2000s.


Oh man.  Pop the case just a quick scan.  Yep, hated those damn machines.
 
2020-09-27 8:08:34 PM  
Oh, listen to you ritzy folks with your GTX cards.

My GT1030 does just fine on my couple year old games on pretty high settings at 1080.
 
2020-09-27 9:41:24 PM  

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2020-09-28 12:28:41 AM  

Nexzus: I assume it's very different, but I'm reminded of the bad caps fiasco that Dell faced with scores of GX270s back in the early-mid 2000s.


Yeah. The early 2000s cap plague was because an incomplete electrolyte formula was stolen and used in cheap caps.  Those cheap caps found their way in to everything.

Yay for botched industrial espionage.
 
2020-09-28 12:29:39 AM  

Russ1642: Insult Comic Bishounen: PC MASTER RA--(crashes to desktop)

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XBone was a great name, too.  I hear it totally crushed PS4 in layoffs at the factory.
 
2020-09-28 9:50:14 AM  
Anyone with any worthwhile knowledge of electronics already knows that you never ever cheap out on your caps.

Otherwise, it costs you far more in returns than it costs you in component costs.

Similar to this except crappy product design in electronics seriously affects your brand value.

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