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2020-09-26 9:33:59 PM  
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2020-09-26 9:53:33 PM  
CBP, not ICE.
 
2020-09-26 10:13:35 PM  
Those traveling from the Texas border city of Edinburg to San Antonio must pass through Customs and Border Protection (CBP) checkpoints. CBP operates dozens of these checkpoints, where travelers are asked to show proof of their citizenship or residency and have their vehicles inspected.

How is this legal?! This is straight out of the nazi playbook.
 
2020-09-27 12:26:00 AM  
We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya
 
433 [TotalFark]
2020-09-27 1:01:41 AM  
You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.
 
2020-09-27 1:41:57 AM  
American Waffen-SS strikes again.
 
2020-09-27 1:52:25 AM  

Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya


it was a internal suspicion less checkpoint beating that radicalized 'pastor' Steven Anderson
 
2020-09-27 1:53:59 AM  
The girl has lived nowhere else but the US since she was brought here involuntarily as an infant.

I can't imagine what kind of terrible situation her parents were fleeing from or what kind of dream they had moving to America, but I wonder if they ever think it was worth the trouble. They live here, but they are never able to get ahead because of their visa status. Their kid is in the same boat, and now with DACA stripped down to nothing, nothing but poverty awaits them here.

Now she's in some holding facility waiting to be sent back to her parents' country of origin, and that's got to be terrifying. All the more so because it sounds like she's been separated from her parents who are also in custody.

We need to be firm in our enforcement of immigration law, but the law shouldn't be so difficult to navigate as it is. Also, a counterbalancing humanitarian method of dealing with families like this has to exist. Throwing them into jail to await a hearing is terrible enough. Separating families into separate facilities is even worse. The girl in this story is being jailed simply for who she is and not for anything that she's done, and that's wrong and what DACA was supposed to help with. That's all gone, so all we have now are regulations and procedures that deny people their humanity. It's sick.
 
2020-09-27 1:54:08 AM  

Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya


Where did you read that in the article? How is the US this scary paramilitary state when we have like 20 MILLION illegal immigrants here?
 
2020-09-27 1:58:21 AM  
I guess she still had a uterus.

Not for long.
 
2020-09-27 2:03:14 AM  

FleshMonkey: I guess she still had a uterus.

Not for long.


Dammit, dude.
 
2020-09-27 2:03:35 AM  

433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.


Have they never driven into California? Of course, they do nothing to stop ILLEGALS. They are just there to make sure that no fruits or vegetables get in. They are keeping California safe from the Veggie Menace !
 
2020-09-27 2:06:43 AM  
We Ate the Necco Wafers:  Now she's in some holding facility waiting to be sent back to her parents' country of origin, and that's got to be terrifying. All the more so because it sounds like she's been separated from her parents who are also in custody.

Article says she's being held in a facility until a relative or guardian can take custody.  The aunt was detained as an illegal.
 
2020-09-27 2:06:51 AM  

NM Volunteer: American Waffle-House-SS strikes again.


/sorry
 
2020-09-27 2:09:08 AM  
Abolish and prosecute ICE.
 
2020-09-27 2:09:37 AM  

Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya



I've been through these numerous times...Both the permanent stations, and the temporary roadblock type.
They generally don't do anything but stare at you..At most they usually just ask if you are a citizen..
The upshot of being rude to them, might mean they force you to pull off to the side while they
search around your car for a bit  or send a dog around slowly to annoy you, and the dog, because it's
hot, and this crap goes down in the desert in the middle of nowhere..
 
2020-09-27 2:09:41 AM  

Bandito King: FleshMonkey: I guess she still had a uterus.

Not for long.

Dammit, dude.


Great. Now I'm wondering if all the hysterectomies are to stop the pregnancies from all the raping, or this is some plot so ultra rich women who got married past child bearing age are implanting these.

And since I got wondering, my mind got wandering, so now I'm thinking, worse: This actually is a catch neuter/spay and release program.

/damn
 
2020-09-27 2:11:48 AM  

Abox: We Ate the Necco Wafers:  Now she's in some holding facility waiting to be sent back to her parents' country of origin, and that's got to be terrifying. All the more so because it sounds like she's been separated from her parents who are also in custody.

Article says she's being held in a facility until a relative or guardian can take custody.  The aunt was detained as an illegal.


The aunt is also now awaiting someone to come take her into custody/guardianship.

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2020-09-27 2:15:03 AM  
Driving up from the Rio Grande Valley i have been thru these checkpoints. Driving up to the stopping point ,the vehicle had already passed thru camera arrays that has taken pictures of the vehicle and visible occupants from every possible angle, and various sensors that I'm not sure what they do. The guards are polite and don't ask for "papers" or search the vehicle. They just look thru the driver's window and ask if everyone is an American citizen while another guard walks a dog by the vehicle. Then the agent waves us on our way.

/yes, I'm a middle aged (+) white guy
 
2020-09-27 2:15:15 AM  

daffy: 433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.

Have they never driven into California? Of course, they do nothing to stop ILLEGALS. They are just there to make sure that no fruits or vegetables get in. They are keeping California safe from the Veggie Menace !


agricultural inspection ≠ CBP inspection.

Obviously you have never been to California either.
 
2020-09-27 2:15:46 AM  

433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.


It's not a crazy idea, it's a part of our dystopian reality.
 
2020-09-27 2:16:41 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya

Where did you read that in the article? How is the US this scary paramilitary state when we have like 20 MILLION illegal immigrants here?


How are we this scary paramilitary police state? Ask the state legislators who protected cops from local control. Ask the feds who gave them federal authority to escape state restrictions. Ask the prosecutors who argue that it is illegal for you to have a face that a cop can't punch without breaking his hand. Ask the DHS who claims a 100 mile Constitution-free zone within the physical borders of the country, and include international airports within that definition of "border."

That is far more of a danger than a bunch of people working and quietly contributing to the economy.
 
2020-09-27 2:26:48 AM  

Enigmamf: daffy: 433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.

Have they never driven into California? Of course, they do nothing to stop ILLEGALS. They are just there to make sure that no fruits or vegetables get in. They are keeping California safe from the Veggie Menace !

agricultural inspection ≠ CBP inspection.

Obviously you have never been to California either.


I was there 2 years ago.
 
2020-09-27 2:27:50 AM  

cautionflag: Driving up from the Rio Grande Valley i have been thru these checkpoints. Driving up to the stopping point ,the vehicle had already passed thru camera arrays that has taken pictures of the vehicle and visible occupants from every possible angle, and various sensors that I'm not sure what they do. The guards are polite and don't ask for "papers" or search the vehicle. They just look thru the driver's window and ask if everyone is an American citizen while another guard walks a dog by the vehicle. Then the agent waves us on our way.

/yes, I'm a middle aged (+) white guy


Growing up in the Cold War, that kind of shiat was always put forward about how hellish life in the Soviet Union was compared to living in the US of A.

IIRC, the CBP has jurisdiction within 100 miles of the border now:
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Which is where most Americans live.
 
2020-09-27 2:34:44 AM  

BolloxReader: God-is-a-Taco: Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya

Where did you read that in the article? How is the US this scary paramilitary state when we have like 20 MILLION illegal immigrants here?

How are we this scary paramilitary police state? Ask the state legislators who protected cops from local control. Ask the feds who gave them federal authority to escape state restrictions. Ask the prosecutors who argue that it is illegal for you to have a face that a cop can't punch without breaking his hand. Ask the DHS who claims a 100 mile Constitution-free zone within the physical borders of the country, and include international airports within that definition of "border."

That is far more of a danger than a bunch of people working and quietly contributing to the economy.


The whole damned thing is a farce. Our economy would collapse if we didn't have illegal farm workers to bring the crops. Our entire food industry is based on something only one step above chattel slavery. Americans should be ashamed and working on a plan to rectify this, but instead, the farce of rounding up a tiny fraction of them and pretending that's tough on immigration.

This country is a sick joke.
 
2020-09-27 2:36:35 AM  
Waking from surgery to find you've been arrested?  That must have been galling.
 
2020-09-27 3:01:05 AM  

daffy: Enigmamf: daffy: 433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.

Have they never driven into California? Of course, they do nothing to stop ILLEGALS. They are just there to make sure that no fruits or vegetables get in. They are keeping California safe from the Veggie Menace !

agricultural inspection ≠ CBP inspection.

Obviously you have never been to California either.

I was there 2 years ago.


Well, the state runs agricultural inspections with extremely limited scope and jurisdiction at many border crossings, but those of us in San Diego and Imperial counties are "blessed" with having lost the freedom to travel even within our own counties without proving our citizenship to the satisfaction a gun-toting gendarme employed by CBP. There are 5 such patrols in San Diego county alone. Some of my favorite places in-county are beyond those checkpoints, and I avoid them because it infuriates me that they exist.
 
2020-09-27 3:17:10 AM  
21 years ago, a relative of ours was pulled over at one of those border patrol checkpoints. We were about 80 miles from the US/Mexico border, heading north.  My husband pulled the U-Haul over , and the caravan of cars and trucks behind him pulled over also. A politely officious officer told my husband "This is none of your business, sir, move along."  My husband said, "It is my business. That's my brother-in-law, that's my truck, and that's my stuff.  The officer looked at our row of cars and trucks and waved us all through.

In other words, this BS in California is nothing new, and btw, wanna guess what race we all belong to?

I always have wondered how long they would have crawled up our asses if we had been Mexican-American.
 
2020-09-27 3:32:59 AM  

daffy: 433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.

Have they never driven into California? Of course, they do nothing to stop ILLEGALS. They are just there to make sure that no fruits or vegetables get in. They are keeping California safe from the Veggie Menace !


Not sure if serious here.  If you enjoy food, and enjoy it being affordable because it's grown in California, then you should really appreciate the agricultural checkpoints that help prevent pests/diseases that would otherwise decimate the crops there.
 
dp3 [OhFark]
2020-09-27 3:53:30 AM  

I Swear I'll Jump: I always have wondered how long they would have crawled up our asses if we had been Mexican-American.


Those checkpoints can be BS. I got grilled by one in New Mexico because the light was green, but his hand said "stop". He then got all huffy, because I stopped. "Why are you stopping?" "Because your hand said stop"
"What color was the light?"
"Green. So I should ignore you and listen to the sign instead?"
"Is everyone in the car a US citizen?"
"Yes."
"Okay, then go."
--
Also got stopped by one near the Salton Sea, because there were no other cars around. I saw the border patrol agent pull on his dog's chain, so it barked. Automatically asked to pull over.
"Where are you coming from?"
"Sightseeing at Salvation Mountain."
"Do you have any drugs?"
"No."
"Have you been in contact with drugs or anyone with drugs?"
"Look, I have no idea, but have you been to Slab City and Salvation Mountain?"
"So why did the dog bark?"
"I have no idea."
"We'll need to search your car. You know, if you smoke weed, you can tell us".
"I don't smoke weed [and if I did I wouldn't admit it to a federal officer enforcing federal law, where it's still a controlled substance]. Knock yourself out".

6 agents sitting around a dry lake that smells of rotting fish. I swear that's DHS's idea of hazing.

And don't get me started about the immigration agents that have asked me to produce passport, DL, multiple credit cards with my name on it... I even showed an expired college ID and frequent traveler ID... because he didn't like the shape of my eye.

/saltier than the Salton Sea
 
2020-09-27 4:37:09 AM  

Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya


You guys just somehow figuring this shiat out now??.
My parents used to drive big rig and they told me about the check points in Texas back in 2000 and 2001 when they ran in Texas.   Ever so many miles they have check points.
So where was all your OMG SUCH NAZI'S I'M  FULL OF RAGE !!!! 20+ years ago????
 
2020-09-27 5:01:02 AM  

TotallyRealNotFake: Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya

You guys just somehow figuring this shiat out now??.
My parents used to drive big rig and they told me about the check points in Texas back in 2000 and 2001 when they ran in Texas.   Ever so many miles they have check points.
So where was all your OMG SUCH NAZI'S I'M  FULL OF RAGE !!!! 20+ years ago????


Are you aware of how many never used before, new immigration policies that have started being used since 16'?

Apparently not.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt even though I dont believe you. Your rambling bullshiat statement is still irrelevant.

Fark off.
 
2020-09-27 5:08:30 AM  

tjsands1118: How is this legal?! This is straight out of the nazi playbook.


It was part of the NAFTA agreement.  To simplify things for people who haven't learned history the border checkpoint was moved 50 miles inland and travel across the actual border is basically just check your ID.  This was to allow easy access both ways for short trips for shopping, whatever.  You don't even need a passport though it does make it easier.  Nowhere near as difficult as getting on a commercial flight.  Those Nazis.

Oh, and it works the same way in Mexico.  There are even more heavily armed checkpoints 50 miles in and the guards there are far more rude and violent.

Funny, you never see the outrage over that one.
 
2020-09-27 5:48:12 AM  

tjsands1118: Those traveling from the Texas border city of Edinburg to San Antonio must pass through Customs and Border Protection (CBP) checkpoints. CBP operates dozens of these checkpoints, where travelers are asked to show proof of their citizenship or residency and have their vehicles inspected.

How is this legal?! This is straight out of the nazi playbook.


Bullshiat. Countries around the world have checkpoints like this in border areas.
Or, they have a fence/wall.

Which do you want, take your pick.  Either way, it's not remotely fascist, but your post is asinine hyperbole.
 
2020-09-27 6:28:54 AM  

daffy: 433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.

Have they never driven into California? Of course, they do nothing to stop ILLEGALS. They are just there to make sure that no fruits or vegetables get in. They are keeping California safe from the Veggie Menace !


Two years ago they asked for Id and passports. I was coming home from San Diego.
 
2020-09-27 7:10:18 AM  
dp3:
--
Also got stopped by one near the Salton Sea, because there were no other cars around. I saw the border patrol agent pull on his dog's chain, so it barked. Automatically asked to pull over.
"Where are you coming from?"
"Sightseeing at Salvation Mountain."
"Do you have any drugs?"


Why, did you run out?
 
2020-09-27 7:37:02 AM  

Drearyx: TotallyRealNotFake: Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya

You guys just somehow figuring this shiat out now??.
My parents used to drive big rig and they told me about the check points in Texas back in 2000 and 2001 when they ran in Texas.   Ever so many miles they have check points.
So where was all your OMG SUCH NAZI'S I'M  FULL OF RAGE !!!! 20+ years ago????

Are you aware of how many never used before, new immigration policies that have started being used since 16'?

Apparently not.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt even though I dont believe you. Your rambling bullshiat statement is still irrelevant.

Fark off.


Cry a river biatch, Texas has had these check points for a long, LONG TIME before you holier-than-thou basement dwellers decided to get all SHOCKED over something that's been in place for over 20 years.
This check point practice was happening long before you got "Woke" and decided to be a dick.

/Don't like it, grow a sack and do something about it in Texas..
//Oh wait, you're just going to talk shiat on Fark and do nothing as usual.
///Don't care if you don't believe me.

P.s. Fark Off
 
2020-09-27 7:37:27 AM  

Enigmamf: 433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.

It's not a crazy idea, it's a part of our dystopian reality.


Liberal here. (1) Border checks, (2) travel checks inside borders at strategic travel choke-points, and (3) internal inspection stations at state borders to look for fruits and vegetables or other plants that might be disease vectors are all things that are proper to the functioning of any State.

And all of them have been around for decades. I remember vacations when I was a child where my parents would pull into a rest stop so we could chow down on any fruit we had in the car, because my dad knew that it would be confiscated at the CA-AR border.

The problem is that thing that conservatives love to rant about, yet never seen to see when it suits their interests: the Slippery Slope.

Freedom is not free. And Freedom without Duty and Responsibility is merely License. Furthermore, it is often convenient, efficient, and most even-handed and fair to wrap some of those duties and responsibilities in official government actions. But you always have to be cognizant of that slippery slope.
 
2020-09-27 8:41:53 AM  

tjsands1118: Those traveling from the Texas border city of Edinburg to San Antonio must pass through Customs and Border Protection (CBP) checkpoints. CBP operates dozens of these checkpoints, where travelers are asked to show proof of their citizenship or residency and have their vehicles inspected.

How is this legal?! This is straight out of the nazi playbook.


Sounds like you need re-education camp comrade.
CPB can detain and search anyone within something like 50 miles of a "port of entry", which now covers where 90% of Americans live.
It's perfect for a dictator since the courts let them get away with illegal searches on the reg.
But totally in the original intent of the framers of the constitution amirite?
 
2020-09-27 8:45:19 AM  

Animatronik: tjsands1118: Those traveling from the Texas border city of Edinburg to San Antonio must pass through Customs and Border Protection (CBP) checkpoints. CBP operates dozens of these checkpoints, where travelers are asked to show proof of their citizenship or residency and have their vehicles inspected.

How is this legal?! This is straight out of the nazi playbook.

Bullshiat. Countries around the world have checkpoints like this in border areas.
Or, they have a fence/wall.

Which do you want, take your pick.  Either way, it's not remotely fascist, but your post is asinine hyperbole.


So, up here in New Hampshire, we can go through the big official border station run by customs officials.. or there's a few scenic crossings where there's a street sign type sign, saying 'Hey, there's a fine for crossing here, or maybe a nice reminder that the speed limit is now posted in kilometers per hour, not miles per hour..  Yeah, you're supposed to go through the big border checkpoint if you're going to be crossing the border, but the citizens from the border towns pretty much just mingle and go about their lives.

In the past, the illegal French Canadian men would drive across the border and cheaply and expertly hang drywall/plaster our walls, some of those bastards would paint the exterior of our homes.  NH youth of military age would invade Canada and hit the strip clubs.  Frankly, I see less of that nefarious activity these days.

At no point has the NH government appointed law enforcement officials to check the papers of citizens, we haven't directed our service industry to rat out people with Canadian IDs to the local authorities.  Even our State Police have been historically uninterested in checking the citizenship of random citizens.  Not even when some monster with Ontario plates is driving the exact speed limit in the left highway lane.

It's kind of our family secret, and we don't talk about it too often, but one of my grandparents was from French speaking Canada, and not Ireland.  I'm not too certain what her citizenship status, but she never did get a driver's license.  Maybe I should report this to my local ICE office and have them exhume her grave.

A year or so ago, Ice agents stopped random cars on NH highways and demanded citizenship papers from US citizens.  In the home of Live Free or Die, and we were not amused.

Don't tell me this is normal, don't tell me that this should be normal.

It's about treating brown people like second class humans.
 
2020-09-27 8:55:08 AM  

433: You guys really don't know that there are checkpoints past the border?  It's not a crazy idea and they're not just for checking papers.


Sobriety check points outside of booze or beer festivals or other major events makes sense, and the officers should look for signs of intoxication.  However they should not ask about citizenship.  The only time they should do so is if someone is either at the border asking for permission to enter (although they should present their passport, so this is moot), or they have been arrested for a crime and this is part of processing them into the jail.
Lastly, I don't want to live in a country where CPB grows into an army of 100,000, travels around in canvas covered troop carrier trucks, and sets up checkpoints all over the country, feeding a few million people into concentration camps.  God forbid conservative voters wake up and realize that their own elected leaders are the ones causing the majority of their problems.
My proposal for congress is to limit the jurisdiction of CPB to the port of entry property only.  They can have the same powers, only within a very narrow area.
And congress needs to end Gitmo and the for profit concentration camps.  Everyone has the constitutional right to a speedy trial by jury and to face their accusers.  The next GOP thug will use these lapses in constitutional enforcement to jail and execute their opponents.
 
2020-09-27 9:07:03 AM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: The girl has lived nowhere else but the US since she was brought here involuntarily as an infant.


So say the criminals that broke the law, illegally crossed the border, and then saddled taxpayers with a giant operation.
 
2020-09-27 9:24:05 AM  

Animatronik: tjsands1118: Those traveling from the Texas border city of Edinburg to San Antonio must pass through Customs and Border Protection (CBP) checkpoints. CBP operates dozens of these checkpoints, where travelers are asked to show proof of their citizenship or residency and have their vehicles inspected.

How is this legal?! This is straight out of the nazi playbook.

Bullshiat. Countries around the world have checkpoints like this in border areas.
Or, they have a fence/wall.

Which do you want, take your pick.  Either way, it's not remotely fascist, but your post is asinine hyperbole.


Nah. I've been to a lot of supposedly hellhole countries and I've never been harassed as much as traveling around within my own.

The starkest reminder is traveling to or through Canada. I live in Albany, my BIL lives in Detroit, so we take I90 through Buffalo to Ontario. Getting into Canada is a breeze but getting back into the US usually involves dumping my luggage all over the trunk.
 
2020-09-27 9:34:03 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Magorn: We Have Freaking CHECKPOINTS that are INSIDE the US where heavily armed paramilitary troops stop us Citizens and demand to search their vehicles without a warrant and demand they produce PAPERS?! If this doesn't outrage you, you've forgotten what it means to be an American. Hey all you folks who claim the 2nd Amendment guards against Tyranny: found some for ya

Where did you read that in the article? How is the US this scary paramilitary state when we have like 20 MILLION illegal immigrants here?


Well, #1 at our peak we had about 10-12 million, a whopping 3%  of our population.and that was 2007, the numbers declined after that because of the Great Recession and the lack of construction job and has stayed low since because of good jobs available thanks to a number of manufacturing plants that opened there.

#2 a little something called the 4th Amendment says a cop cannot stop you and certainly cannot search you without probable cause.  ICE seized on a Supreme Court Rulings that said International airports aren't *in* the US until you clear customs to claim that the 4th Amendment doesn't apply anywhere within 100 mile of a border or coastline.   Since 90% of the population live within 100 miles of one or the other this is obviously wrong. Which is why the cowards drop any case where this is challenged in court
 
2020-09-27 9:38:47 AM  

Medic Zero: cautionflag: Driving up from the Rio Grande Valley i have been thru these checkpoints. Driving up to the stopping point ,the vehicle had already passed thru camera arrays that has taken pictures of the vehicle and visible occupants from every possible angle, and various sensors that I'm not sure what they do. The guards are polite and don't ask for "papers" or search the vehicle. They just look thru the driver's window and ask if everyone is an American citizen while another guard walks a dog by the vehicle. Then the agent waves us on our way.

/yes, I'm a middle aged (+) white guy

Growing up in the Cold War, that kind of shiat was always put forward about how hellish life in the Soviet Union was compared to living in the US of A.

IIRC, the CBP has jurisdiction within 100 miles of the border now:
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Which is where most Americans live.


They they claim that. They are wrong. And they know they are wrong because they'll never defend a case in court where this jurisdiction is challenged
 
2020-09-27 10:07:23 AM  
echo...echo...echo...echo...

Well CBP has been around longer than ICE, the laws they are enforcing have been around longer than that, the Democrats had both houses and a president in the first term of Obama, and jack shiat was done about illegal immigration, except to setup the cages everyone hates and dangle a promise with DREAMERS.

The truth is fat cat mega farms and processing factories are problem #1 as they don't want workers with rights to pay / work fairly, then a good chunk of the workers don't want to live here they just want the pay and send it home, lastly corrupt politicians paid by big donors wont make any substantial change.

Simple shiat like a work visa system with an option to become a citizen if they want to stay is all that is needed, any illegal living here 50% or more of their life should also get into same option to naturalize.
 
2020-09-27 10:20:34 AM  

Resident Muslim: Bandito King: FleshMonkey: I guess she still had a uterus.

Not for long.

Dammit, dude.

Great. Now I'm wondering if all the hysterectomies are to stop the pregnancies from all the raping, or this is some plot so ultra rich women who got married past child bearing age are implanting these.

And since I got wondering, my mind got wandering, so now I'm thinking, worse: This actually is a catch neuter/spay and release program.

/damn


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The new redesign of ICE and CBP vehicles was kind of a sign
 
2020-09-27 10:24:23 AM  

RussianPotato: We Ate the Necco Wafers: The girl has lived nowhere else but the US since she was brought here involuntarily as an infant.

So say the criminals that broke the law, illegally crossed the border, and then saddled taxpayers with a giant operation.


Anybody who draws a paycheck pays taxes, even an undocumented laborer, they just dont get the benefits like you do ... comrade
 
2020-09-27 10:33:38 AM  

Resident Muslim: Bandito King: FleshMonkey: I guess she still had a uterus.

Not for long.

Dammit, dude.

Great. Now I'm wondering if all the hysterectomies are to stop the pregnancies from all the raping, or this is some plot so ultra rich women who got married past child bearing age are implanting these.

And since I got wondering, my mind got wandering, so now I'm thinking, worse: This actually is a catch neuter/spay and release program.

/damn


That's one of the stages of fascism.  Dehumanizing brown people by treating them like stray animals.
 
2020-09-27 10:41:23 AM  
"I do not consent to a search."
 
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