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(Patheos)   Christian pastor: The Constitution forbids a Democrat from asking about a Republican's cult   (friendlyatheist.patheos.com) divider line
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2020-09-26 5:02:13 PM  
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2020-09-26 5:14:12 PM  
No it doesn't.  In fact, it says the EXACT opposite:  the Constitution cannot ever at any time no way never prevent a Democrat from saying anything said Democrat wants to about religious hypocrisy.  It does say the GOVERNMENT (well, Congress since they make the laws) can make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.

But expecting a pastor to know much of anything is pretty much spitting into a derecho and expecting the wind to stop.
 
2020-09-26 5:18:36 PM  
Strict constructionists have a remarkable fluid definition of the Constitution.
 
2020-09-26 5:36:17 PM  

Mentat: Strict constructionists have a remarkable fluid definition of the Constitution.


The Constitution says whatever they imagine it says, that's not fluid, that's very consistent.
 
2020-09-26 5:37:44 PM  
LOL, the farking fark it does.
 
2020-09-26 5:38:20 PM  
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2020-09-26 5:39:03 PM  

Porkbelly: No it doesn't.  In fact, it says the EXACT opposite:  the Constitution cannot ever at any time no way never prevent a Democrat from saying anything said Democrat wants to about religious hypocrisy.  It does say the GOVERNMENT (well, Congress since they make the laws) can make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.

But expecting a pastor to know much of anything is pretty much spitting into a derecho and expecting the wind to stop.


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https://constitution.congress.gov/con​s​titution/

Article VI
Article VI Annotated

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Now, say the person in question is a Muslim.  The GOP and evangelicals goes bat-shiat crazy and pull the religion card.
 
2020-09-26 5:39:19 PM  
Also, I feel like Patheos should use better terminology.  Don't call it her "faith."  Call it her beliefs.  Using the word "faith" gives her beliefs a gravity and legitimacy they do not deserve.  Let them use that word, not us.
 
2020-09-26 5:39:23 PM  
Remind me: how do Republicans feel about the current pope?
 
2020-09-26 5:40:29 PM  
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/oblig
//should add "people who watch Fox News" in that as well
 
2020-09-26 5:40:29 PM  
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2020-09-26 5:42:47 PM  
Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.
 
2020-09-26 5:42:51 PM  
now nominate an atheist and see if the republicans don't care about religious beliefs...
 
2020-09-26 5:43:19 PM  
In their mind, Christianity is the only legitimate religion, and the Constitution is therefore saying you can't question Christians' beliefs or application to the law. But Jews, Muslims, atheists, and followers of Satan can be questioned, there can be a religious test for them because they aren't religious.
 
2020-09-26 5:43:28 PM  
Want to play in Politics? OK. Tax the churches. Tax the businesses owned by the churches.
 
2020-09-26 5:45:03 PM  
Pretty sure you mean demonrat.
 
2020-09-26 5:45:45 PM  

Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.


I grew up Catholic.

People like Amy Coney Barrett are why I left.

Take your phony persecution complex somewhere else.
 
2020-09-26 5:46:14 PM  

Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.


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2020-09-26 5:46:36 PM  
Stupid people can't be reached. What chance does that guy have?
 
2020-09-26 5:46:54 PM  

Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.


So your beliefs are so frail that you'll throw them aside if someone hurts your feelings? Those aren't beliefs, those are hobbies. Why not just admit you use that "faith" merely as a cudgel rather than a belief system? F*cking coward.
 
2020-09-26 5:47:57 PM  

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/oblig
//should add "people who watch Fox News" in that as well


Whenever I need insight on the latest medical advancements, new interstellar propulsion systems or even politics, I always turn to a television star for their bold commentary.
 
2020-09-26 5:48:49 PM  
Their hypocrisy calls into question the sincerity of their religious conviction and possibly negating their appeal to religious privilege. Also, those claiming religious privilege should be held accountable to a religious standard when considering all of their actions.
 
2020-09-26 5:49:12 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.

So your beliefs are so frail that you'll throw them aside if someone hurts your feelings? Those aren't beliefs, those are hobbies. Why not just admit you use that "faith" merely as a cudgel rather than a belief system? F*cking coward.


I'm an Egyptian!: Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.

So your beliefs are so frail that you'll throw them aside if someone hurts your feelings? Those aren't beliefs, those are hobbies. Why not just admit you use that "faith" merely as a cudgel rather than a belief system? F*cking coward.


I'm an atheist.
 
2020-09-26 5:51:48 PM  

I Like Bread: Remind me: how do Republicans feel about the current pope?


Trump thinks he's disgraceful.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2​0​16/feb/18/donald-trump-pope-francis-ch​ristian-wall-mexico-border
 
2020-09-26 5:51:53 PM  
Conservatives: "We're pro-life"
Also conservatives: "Grandma was going to die anyway even if she didn't get COVID-19."

That's all you need to realize what a sham "pro-life" really is.
 
2020-09-26 5:52:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.

I grew up Catholic.

People like Amy Coney Barrett are why I left.

Take your phony persecution complex somewhere else.


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2020-09-26 5:52:53 PM  
We're talking about Jeffress here.  This is a man that would see nothing wrong with having an American Holocaust because he hates Jews that much.

I'm surprised he wasn't calling for anyone not agreeing with him and the Republicans to be dragged out into the streets and murdered.  because that's exactly what God would want you to do.
 
2020-09-26 5:53:50 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.

So your beliefs are so frail that you'll throw them aside if someone hurts your feelings? Those aren't beliefs, those are hobbies. Why not just admit you use that "faith" merely as a cudgel rather than a belief system? F*cking coward.


This was the strangest response...
 
2020-09-26 5:54:53 PM  

austerity101: Also, I feel like Patheos should use better terminology.  Don't call it her "faith."  Call it her beliefs.  Using the word "faith" gives her beliefs a gravity and legitimacy they do not deserve.  Let them use that word, not us.


I've long wished that the media wouldn't report declarations of faith. We've no way of determining whether those declarations are true or not. The pro-business judgments of so many jurists are antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. The only person shown in Hell in the Gospel is a rich man. So, when people report that so and so is a Christian or Muslim or Pastatarian, screw that. That's completely between the person and their whatever. It's a nonsense statement and often pure PR.
 
2020-09-26 5:57:59 PM  

Porkbelly: No it doesn't.  In fact, it says the EXACT opposite:  the Constitution cannot ever at any time no way never prevent a Democrat from saying anything said Democrat wants to about religious hypocrisy.  It does say the GOVERNMENT (well, Congress since they make the laws) can make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.

But expecting a pastor to know much of anything is pretty much spitting into a derecho and expecting the wind to stop.


That's the First Amendment, not Article VI.
 
2020-09-26 6:01:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.

I grew up Catholic.

People like Amy Coney Barrett are why I left.

Take your phony persecution complex somewhere else.


You shoulda stuck it out and been a phony Catholic like Biden and Pelosi.
 
2020-09-26 6:04:05 PM  
As a (lapsed) Catholic, I can tell you that, in general, other Catholics think that the way Amy Baret practices the religion makes her a farking weirdo. I was trying to describe what I read about her to my parents, who are usually weekly churchgoers.

They mentioned that before the pandemic, they went to a different church because they could not make their usual mass. They had attended that other parish before but not at the time they selected. Apparently they had a "weirdo" version of mass and no idea what was going on. So next week, they mentioned to their regular priest that they thought his neighboring parish was apparently subletting to Pentecostals or something. The priest was horrified at the prospect of Pentecostals (who wouldn't be?). But when they described it, he basically said that there are some "newer" Catholic groups that are doing things different, and that he's not a fan.

IDK if these are the same kind of Catholic weirdos as Amy Baret but Catholics aren't huge fans of change. So even if the people at this mass were from a different club, most Catholics would hold them both in pretty much the same low regard.
 
2020-09-26 6:04:37 PM  
One of the million problems with certain Christians is they use a book that was written for and by oppressed people. They identify with the oppressed, when in fact, they are most often the oppressors...so they have a persecution complex, which is stupid given how much persecuting they've done over the last 2k years (give or take).

/I'm a Christian
//Not going to stick up for these hurtful fools.
 
2020-09-26 6:05:11 PM  

Erebus1954: Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.

I grew up Catholic.

People like Amy Coney Barrett are why I left.

Take your phony persecution complex somewhere else.

You shoulda stuck it out and been a phony Catholic like Biden and Pelosi.


What makes them "phony"?

Because even though they're against abortion, they don't think it's the government's business?

I don't think an Athiest has any room to call anyone of any religion "phony".
 
2020-09-26 6:05:19 PM  
What's that "Christian" "pastor's" fark handle.
 
2020-09-26 6:07:34 PM  

Mrtraveler01: phony


There'll all phony.
 
2020-09-26 6:09:06 PM  

kbronsito: As a (lapsed) Catholic, I can tell you that, in general, other Catholics think that the way Amy Baret practices the religion makes her a farking weirdo. I was trying to describe what I read about her to my parents, who are usually weekly churchgoers.

They mentioned that before the pandemic, they went to a different church because they could not make their usual mass. They had attended that other parish before but not at the time they selected. Apparently they had a "weirdo" version of mass and no idea what was going on. So next week, they mentioned to their regular priest that they thought his neighboring parish was apparently subletting to Pentecostals or something. The priest was horrified at the prospect of Pentecostals (who wouldn't be?). But when they described it, he basically said that there are some "newer" Catholic groups that are doing things different, and that he's not a fan.

IDK if these are the same kind of Catholic weirdos as Amy Baret but Catholics aren't huge fans of change. So even if the people at this mass were from a different club, most Catholics would hold them both in pretty much the same low regard.


The right has been slowly taking over the Catholic Church for decades. Raymond Burke was my Archbishop and his veiled remarks about how good Catholics only vote Republican were the last straw for me.

I'd rather not deal with the bullshiat and just let the current leadership keep rotting the Catholic Church in this country.
 
2020-09-26 6:09:44 PM  

Erebus1954: Mrtraveler01: phony

There'll all phony.


So Barrett is a phony too?
 
2020-09-26 6:09:56 PM  

mrparks: Pretty sure you mean demonrat.


Pretty sure you mean Americans that actually follow the rule of law.

Easy mistake for people claiming to be part of the party of law and order seem to make on a daily basis without ever learning.

And that's why trump says he loves the poorly educated
 
2020-09-26 6:09:57 PM  
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2020-09-26 6:10:07 PM  
The Democrats are anti-Catholic.  If you don't believe me, just ask Joe Biden.
 
2020-09-26 6:12:38 PM  
Guys, just let them confirm her, and she'll prove they cant when the case finally gets to the supreme court.
 
2020-09-26 6:13:20 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: Demonizing the  MuslimChristian-American community is not only counter to our values-it plays right into the hands of the Muslim Christian terrorists and ISIS the KKK.

I grew up Catholic.

People like Amy Coney Barrett are why I left.

Take your phony persecution complex somewhere else.

You shoulda stuck it out and been a phony Catholic like Biden and Pelosi.

What makes them "phony"?

Because even though they're against abortion, they don't think it's the government's business?

I don't think an Athiest has any room to call anyone of any religion "phony".


snert - yeah, why should people who are honest about what they believe criticize poseurs and charlatans.
 
2020-09-26 6:16:21 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Porkbelly: No it doesn't.  In fact, it says the EXACT opposite:  the Constitution cannot ever at any time no way never prevent a Democrat from saying anything said Democrat wants to about religious hypocrisy.  It does say the GOVERNMENT (well, Congress since they make the laws) can make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.

But expecting a pastor to know much of anything is pretty much spitting into a derecho and expecting the wind to stop.

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https://constitution.congress.gov/cons​titution/

Article VI
Article VI Annotated

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Now, say the person in question is a Muslim.  The GOP and evangelicals goes bat-shiat crazy and pull the religion card.


"Islam isn't a real religion."  - argument that they have actually used.
 
2020-09-26 6:16:54 PM  
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2020-09-26 6:17:04 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Porkbelly: No it doesn't.  In fact, it says the EXACT opposite:  the Constitution cannot ever at any time no way never prevent a Democrat from saying anything said Democrat wants to about religious hypocrisy.  It does say the GOVERNMENT (well, Congress since they make the laws) can make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.

But expecting a pastor to know much of anything is pretty much spitting into a derecho and expecting the wind to stop.

[th.bing.com image 474x266]

https://constitution.congress.gov/cons​titution/

Article VI
Article VI Annotated

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Now, say the person in question is a Muslim.  The GOP and evangelicals goes bat-shiat crazy and pull the religion card.


Well, they would go bat-shiat crazy and pull the religion card so I don't really want to hear complaints from them on the matter.

But anyway, this is an overly broad interpretation of that clause.  The intent is to prohibit formal requirements to be (or not be) of a particular religion, not to take away the ability of voters/nominators/confirmers to assess whether someone is an extremist whose official acts in office will be negatively affected by said extreme beliefs.  You could make an argument that the hypothetical example of individual Senators rejecting a non-extremist Muslim due to religion is a violation (it's certainly against the spirit of the clause), though I'm not sure how there'd be any formal remedy for it.
 
2020-09-26 6:17:25 PM  

I Like Bread: Remind me: how do Republicans feel about the current pope?


It used to be pretty anathema for Catholics to speak out against the Pope.

That was before there was a "liberal" pope.  Now conservative Catholics do it constantly.  And evangelicals love them for it.
 
2020-09-26 6:17:35 PM  
You mean the Constitution that trump and his cronies have been using to wipe their arses ?
 
2020-09-26 6:18:09 PM  
So, the Constitution is pretty clear.  Let's see what the Bible says.

"Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor's, and to God the things that are God's."

Oh.  Dear.  Apparently Jesus himself saw a separation between his church and the State.  It's too bad die him the State did not see the same separation when they killed him.

Merging Church and State has killed his message in every generation since.

As a Christian, allow me to say: keep the church out of government affairs, and vice versa.
 
2020-09-26 6:18:09 PM  
I don't question her faith. I question her membership in a global organization that hoards massive wealth, tries to influence US law and policy, and protects rapists from prosecution.
 
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