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2020-09-26 12:44:40 PM  
Why is far-right stuff so popular on Facebook?

"The Daily Wire, the right-wing website founded by pundit Ben Shapiro, is a cesspool of misogyny, bigotry, and misinformation. Its toxic content is also fantastically successful on Facebook, with each story reaching more people than any other major media outlet. A Popular Information investigation reveals some of this success is attributable to a clandestine network of 14 large Facebook pages that purport to be independent but exclusively promote content from The Daily Wire in a coordinated fashion.

This kind of "inauthentic coordinated behavior" violates Facebook's rules. Facebook has taken down smaller and less coordinated networks that promoted liberal content. But Facebook told Popular Information that it will continue to allow this network to operate and amplify The Daily Wire's content."

https://popular.info/p/facebook-allow​s​-prominent-right-wing
 
2020-09-26 12:47:07 PM  
"But as those lists reveal, there is evidence of a trend in which certain kinds of conservative content - mostly emotion-driven, deeply partisan posts - attract large levels of engagement. NewsWhip on Tuesday reported that the most engaged articles on Facebook in the past 24 hours included a slew of conservative media articles.

"Anger travels really, really well on Facebook," Roose told Recode. "I think the commentators that have sort of excelled at packaging grievances and presenting them to people in an attractive way have really gotten a lot of mileage." Noting he doesn't have supporting data, he hypothesizes that liberals, generally, trust a more fragmented set of sources of media than conservatives, which could contribute to why right-wing success makes it to the top of his list.

https://www.vox.com/recode/21419328/f​a​cebook-conservative-bias-right-wing-cr​owdtangle-election
 
2020-09-26 12:48:23 PM  
We all know that Zuck would have worked with the Nazis, as long as he made a profit off it. It's just nice of them to come out and say it
 
2020-09-26 12:55:04 PM  
STOP SUPPORTING MARK ZUCKERBURG. Facebook, Instragram, Oculus, whatever. Stop giving that piece of sh*t money and your data.
 
2020-09-26 1:00:05 PM  

Gubbo: We all know that Zuck would have worked with the Nazis, as long as he made a profit off it. It's just nice of them to come out and say it


Exactly.  Mark Zuckerberg would have sold his relatives to the highest bidder if it meant he would be left alone when the Nazis invaded the US.  He would have been the Jewish guy who was ratting out all the jews to the Nazis... until the Nazis decided to go after him.  In the ghetto, he would have been Rumkowski telling jewish families "give me your children" to be sent to the gas chambers and save his own ass.  Hopefully, he would have suffered Rumkowski's fate, too.
 
2020-09-26 1:25:14 PM  

bdub77: STOP SUPPORTING MARK ZUCKERBURG. Facebook, Instragram, Oculus, whatever. Stop giving that piece of sh*t money and your data.


This needs to be done by patriotic people.

If you are serious about toning down the stochastic terrorism, then you should not in any way support FB or Twatter, period.
 
2020-09-26 1:26:22 PM  
Zucks needs to end his life in prison and facebook needs to be shut down or taken over. Same with twitter.
 
2020-09-26 1:28:21 PM  
In my personal experience, FB leans hard right. Anytime you criticize one of Trump's snowflakes you catch a timeout. Tell FB you don't trust them with my registration data because they will sell it to the dirty farking Russians. That's hate speech and you get a timeout. FB is a scourge on humanity. Fark FB.
 
2020-09-26 1:31:28 PM  
But but but fascism is popular! And I make money off of it! FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!

If this was 1933, Zuck would be promoting Hitler on facebook and the gov wouldnt be doing a damn thing about it because freedom of speech.

Promoting hate, bigotry, misoginy and disinfo shouldnt be ''free speech'', it should be hate speech and the farkers promoting it and spreading it around should be bare minimum banned and at most sent to prison for inciting rape, murder and genocide because really, thats what they are doing.

When you support fascist ideology, you dont support directly murder but really, you do.
 
2020-09-26 1:31:37 PM  
Zuckerberg is the Ilya Ehrenburg of our times.

Ehrenburg was such an enthusiastic Soviet propagandist, even Stalin had to tell him to tone it down.
 
2020-09-26 1:31:53 PM  
Marching on fb execs' homes is not stochastic enough for the ancon community.
 
2020-09-26 1:33:40 PM  
"Right-wing populism is always more engaging,"

Translation: "It's more racist and about hating others"

That's just a nice way of saying that.
 
2020-09-26 1:35:21 PM  
I quit FB a couple of months ago. No regrets.

But I sort of have the opposite issue, where I guess my contacts formed it's own type of echo chamber, but very very left wing (such are my friends). While everyone is talking about all this fake news, right wing take over of FB, I literally never had that experience. If anything, all I saw was my regular friends who lean hard to the left, and even that got exhausting after a while.
 
2020-09-26 1:36:04 PM  

Gubbo: We all know that Zuck would have worked with the Nazis, as long as he made a profit off it. It's just nice of them to come out and say it


Could see him as an Albert Speer type.
 
2020-09-26 1:36:59 PM  

thehellisthis: Marching on fb execs' homes is not stochastic enough for the ancon community.


It's not random enough for architectural brackets?
 
2020-09-26 1:37:50 PM  

Gubbo: We all know that Zuck would have worked with the Nazis, as long as he made a profit off it. It's just nice of them to come out and say it


He's just another in a long line of capitalist traitors.
 
2020-09-26 1:38:47 PM  

slantsix: I quit FB a couple of months ago. No regrets.

But I sort of have the opposite issue, where I guess my contacts formed it's own type of echo chamber, but very very left wing (such are my friends). While everyone is talking about all this fake news, right wing take over of FB, I literally never had that experience. If anything, all I saw was my regular friends who lean hard to the left, and even that got exhausting after a while.


I saw recently one of my far left friends make a post that "purity" is destroying the Democratic party and he even acknowledge that he had been part of the problem.


That was actually refreshing.
 
2020-09-26 1:39:09 PM  
It could be the same reason that left wing talk radio could never find enough sponsors to survive while right wing talk radio continues to thrive.

People would rather hear a message of hope then listen to hours of biatching and moaning.

/Now Fark these days on the other hand...
 
2020-09-26 1:39:24 PM  
I had a friend sent to Facebook jail for a post consisting entirely of the word "Men" once.

Their system is farking broken.
 
2020-09-26 1:40:05 PM  

Corvus: "Right-wing populism is always more engaging,"

Translation: "It's more racist and about hating others"

That's just a nice way of saying that.


"The connection between power lines and childhood leukaemia needs to be re-evaluated"
22 likes

"SHRINERS USE POWER LINES TO FORCE CHILDREN IN THEIR HOSPITALS"
500,000 likes

"HULK SMASH"
4.3 million likes
 
2020-09-26 1:40:21 PM  
Does this mean Tom Hanks didn't move to Italy where he can molest children?
 
2020-09-26 1:41:56 PM  

Corvus: "Right-wing populism is always more engaging,"

Translation: "It's more racist and about hating others"

That's just a nice way of saying that.


"Right wing populism equates to more clicks / sales to our advertisers."  - Zuckerberg, probably.

I mean, the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers were just as gullible, but they didn't have access to credit cards...
 
2020-09-26 1:43:40 PM  

fernt: People would rather hear a message of hope then listen to hours of biatching and moaning.


Hopeful messages like, "Joe Biden will command the Negro to tear down White suburbs!!1!"
 
2020-09-26 1:43:47 PM  

Corvus: thehellisthis: Marching on fb execs' homes is not stochastic enough for the ancon community.

It's not random enough for architectural brackets?


targeting neoclassical mansions with an unnecessary turret might be a fitting architectural bracket, but let's not get too Markovian here
 
2020-09-26 1:44:07 PM  
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2020-09-26 1:45:31 PM  
Coming soon, Nazi meth sold by Facebook is good for capitalism.
 
2020-09-26 1:47:56 PM  

fernt: It could be the same reason that left wing talk radio could never find enough sponsors to survive while right wing talk radio continues to thrive.

People would rather hear a message of hope then listen to hours of biatching and moaning.

/Now Fark these days on the other hand...


Because the left prefers reality and real news over people's BS opinions being pushed as "Fact"?
 
2020-09-26 1:49:31 PM  

fernt: It could be the same reason that left wing talk radio could never find enough sponsors to survive while right wing talk radio continues to thrive.

People would rather hear a message of hope then listen to hours of biatching and moaning.

/Now Fark these days on the other hand...


Because sane people stop listening to AM radio in the 1970s.
 
2020-09-26 1:50:52 PM  

thehellisthis: Corvus: thehellisthis: Marching on fb execs' homes is not stochastic enough for the ancon community.

It's not random enough for architectural brackets?

targeting neoclassical mansions with an unnecessary turret might be a fitting architectural bracket, but let's not get too Markovian here


Are you Dennis Miller?
 
2020-09-26 1:52:39 PM  

bostonguy: "But as those lists reveal, there is evidence of a trend in which certain kinds of conservative content - mostly emotion-driven, deeply partisan posts - attract large levels of engagement. NewsWhip on Tuesday reported that the most engaged articles on Facebook in the past 24 hours included a slew of conservative media articles.

"Anger travels really, really well on Facebook," Roose told Recode. "I think the commentators that have sort of excelled at packaging grievances and presenting them to people in an attractive way have really gotten a lot of mileage." Noting he doesn't have supporting data, he hypothesizes that liberals, generally, trust a more fragmented set of sources of media than conservatives, which could contribute to why right-wing success makes it to the top of his list.

https://www.vox.com/recode/21419328/fa​cebook-conservative-bias-right-wing-cr​owdtangle-election


In other words, Facebook preferentially pushes content guaranteed to make consumers angry, enraged, frightened or depressed in order to drive page clicks and make money.

It's the first product deliberately designed to make all of its consumers' lives far worse.
 
2020-09-26 1:53:42 PM  

fernt: It could be the same reason that left wing talk radio could never find enough sponsors to survive while right wing talk radio continues to thrive.

People would rather hear a message of hope then listen to hours of biatching and moaning.

/Now Fark these days on the other hand...


I really wish I could be so naíve as to find hope in any form anywhere in conservative messaging.
 
2020-09-26 1:53:59 PM  

sammyk: In my personal experience, FB leans hard right. Anytime you criticize one of Trump's snowflakes you catch a timeout. Tell FB you don't trust them with my registration data because they will sell it to the dirty farking Russians. That's hate speech and you get a timeout. FB is a scourge on humanity. Fark FB.


But it's so convenient!

/s
 
2020-09-26 1:55:06 PM  
Facebook? More like Fascistbook!
 
2020-09-26 1:56:15 PM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: bostonguy: "But as those lists reveal, there is evidence of a trend in which certain kinds of conservative content - mostly emotion-driven, deeply partisan posts - attract large levels of engagement. NewsWhip on Tuesday reported that the most engaged articles on Facebook in the past 24 hours included a slew of conservative media articles.

"Anger travels really, really well on Facebook," Roose told Recode. "I think the commentators that have sort of excelled at packaging grievances and presenting them to people in an attractive way have really gotten a lot of mileage." Noting he doesn't have supporting data, he hypothesizes that liberals, generally, trust a more fragmented set of sources of media than conservatives, which could contribute to why right-wing success makes it to the top of his list.

https://www.vox.com/recode/21419328/fa​cebook-conservative-bias-right-wing-cr​owdtangle-election

In other words, Facebook preferentially pushes content guaranteed to make consumers angry, enraged, frightened or depressed in order to drive page clicks and make money.

It's the first product deliberately designed to make all of its consumers' lives far worse.


You're not the customer, you're the product. Facebook sells eyeballs to advertisers.
 
2020-09-26 1:56:28 PM  
Behind the Bastards covered zuck and FB this week. They referenced an article with an accompanying audio recording by a former Facebook employee:

"Hurting people at scale"
 
2020-09-26 1:56:46 PM  
"I've never been a fan of Facebook, as you probably know. I've never been a big Zuckerberg fan. I think he's a real problem," Biden told The New York Times editorial board last year.  "Section 230 should be revoked, immediately should be revoked." The Trump administration this week introduceda bill to chip away at those protections.

That's pretty good.  He's just so matter of fact about it.  Zuckerberg's an ass, his business is good for no one.  That's pretty much all there is to it.
 
2020-09-26 1:57:02 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: fernt: People would rather hear a message of hope then listen to hours of biatching and moaning.

Hopeful messages like, "Joe Biden will command the Negro to tear down White suburbs!!1!"


I'll have you know that Stormfronters find that message very hopeful, since their hearts leap every time they think they might get a chance to hunt other human beings for sport with no negative repercussions.
 
2020-09-26 1:59:06 PM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: bostonguy: "But as those lists reveal, there is evidence of a trend in which certain kinds of conservative content - mostly emotion-driven, deeply partisan posts - attract large levels of engagement. NewsWhip on Tuesday reported that the most engaged articles on Facebook in the past 24 hours included a slew of conservative media articles.

"Anger travels really, really well on Facebook," Roose told Recode. "I think the commentators that have sort of excelled at packaging grievances and presenting them to people in an attractive way have really gotten a lot of mileage." Noting he doesn't have supporting data, he hypothesizes that liberals, generally, trust a more fragmented set of sources of media than conservatives, which could contribute to why right-wing success makes it to the top of his list.

https://www.vox.com/recode/21419328/fa​cebook-conservative-bias-right-wing-cr​owdtangle-election

In other words, Facebook preferentially pushes content guaranteed to make consumers angry, enraged, frightened or depressed in order to drive page clicks and make money.

It's the first product deliberately designed to make all of its consumers' lives far worse.


Cigarettes would like a word.
 
2020-09-26 2:03:08 PM  
Content that gets reactions is worth more money. That content gets boosted to a wider audience to drive and monetize more engagement.

Anger and fear get more reaction than reasoned arguments. Coupled with a system designed to addict and hold attention, and you get the current mess we have.

Facebook is complicit in genocide and destabilizing entire countries. fark Facebook.

/ The Social Dilemma on Netflix is worth a watch
 
2020-09-26 2:04:36 PM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: bostonguy: "But as those lists reveal, there is evidence of a trend in which certain kinds of conservative content - mostly emotion-driven, deeply partisan posts - attract large levels of engagement. NewsWhip on Tuesday reported that the most engaged articles on Facebook in the past 24 hours included a slew of conservative media articles.

"Anger travels really, really well on Facebook," Roose told Recode. "I think the commentators that have sort of excelled at packaging grievances and presenting them to people in an attractive way have really gotten a lot of mileage." Noting he doesn't have supporting data, he hypothesizes that liberals, generally, trust a more fragmented set of sources of media than conservatives, which could contribute to why right-wing success makes it to the top of his list.

https://www.vox.com/recode/21419328/fa​cebook-conservative-bias-right-wing-cr​owdtangle-election

In other words, Facebook preferentially pushes content guaranteed to make consumers angry, enraged, frightened or depressed in order to drive page clicks and make money.

It's the first product deliberately designed to make all of its consumers' lives far worse.


But I love Farmville!  And those little quizzes where you give them your birthday and mother's maiden name and they tell you what kind a zoo animal you would be!
 
2020-09-26 2:04:43 PM  

fernt: It could be the same reason that left wing talk radio could never find enough sponsors to survive while right wing talk radio continues to thrive.

People would rather hear a message of hope then listen to hours of biatching and moaning.

/Now Fark these days on the other hand...


The fact that you consider messages coming from prominent right-wing radio hosts as "hopeful" (Black people are scary, education is indoctrination, etc.) sums pretty much everything about you, bud.
 
2020-09-26 2:08:37 PM  
But lets be real. Fark does the same thing.\


They greenlight headlines to outrage people too over headlines that don't.
 
2020-09-26 2:10:18 PM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: bostonguy: "But as those lists reveal, there is evidence of a trend in which certain kinds of conservative content - mostly emotion-driven, deeply partisan posts - attract large levels of engagement. NewsWhip on Tuesday reported that the most engaged articles on Facebook in the past 24 hours included a slew of conservative media articles.

"Anger travels really, really well on Facebook," Roose told Recode. "I think the commentators that have sort of excelled at packaging grievances and presenting them to people in an attractive way have really gotten a lot of mileage." Noting he doesn't have supporting data, he hypothesizes that liberals, generally, trust a more fragmented set of sources of media than conservatives, which could contribute to why right-wing success makes it to the top of his list.

https://www.vox.com/recode/21419328/fa​cebook-conservative-bias-right-wing-cr​owdtangle-election

In other words, Facebook preferentially pushes content guaranteed to make consumers angry, enraged, frightened or depressed in order to drive page clicks and make money.

It's the first product deliberately designed to make all of its consumers' lives far worse.


Our entire economy is based on making people feel terrible about themselves in order to sell them the thing that makes them feel better. Pay attention.
 
2020-09-26 2:11:16 PM  
Okay, this isn't just a bad argument in the specific case of it being wrong in this individual instance, this is an archetypal bad argument.  It's classic special pleading, or a slight variation on it.

Basically it's the same argument used by unrepentant murderers with no real defense, e.g. "society made me do it" or "being poor and miserable gave me no other option but to rape and murder that couple so I could steal their TV to pawn it", etc.  Substituting false sympathy for an actual logical argument supporting a lack of culpability.  In this case, it's "but other conditions favor the rise of Fascism, it's definitely those factors and not our fault".

The problem with this argument is, obviously: what about all of the other 99.999% of people who live in the same society who aren't murderers, the 99.999% of people who are equally poor and miserable who never raped and murdered a couple to pawn their TV, or the dozens of social media companies making credible efforts to address fascist content that show measurable progress on the issue?

Like... the existence of environmental and mitigating factors is a real thing that might need to be taken into account, and certainly we can work in parallel to correct those larger factors at the same time, but when every single one of your peers or competitors has taken real steps to handle the issue, including goddamned Twitter of all companies, you can't really argue that the problem isn't primarily you.
 
2020-09-26 2:12:22 PM  
Facebook is also purging armed leftist groups from Facebook, they are actively trying to censor leftist content while leaving heinous fascist posts that allude to genocide of Jews up after reporting.
 
2020-09-26 2:12:31 PM  

Name Withheld: Our entire economy is based on making people feel terrible about themselves in order to sell them the thing that makes them feel better. Pay attention.


Well now I feel terrible about that... I guess I'll buy into your political beliefs to make me feel better.
 
2020-09-26 2:12:35 PM  
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2020-09-26 2:13:21 PM  
"...and that if someone disagrees with a view, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're hateful or have bad intent."

It's like Zuckerberg doesn't even read what's on his site. It's not 1986, Mark. Much of the right is couched in eliminationist rhetoric and end-of-days binarism.
 
2020-09-26 2:15:51 PM  
Actually, I kind of agree with them somewhat on this. Everyone would do good to get a copy of Thinking Fast and Slow. Fast thinking goes for gut reactions. Republicans do exactly go for this. Democrats want to lay out policy and put a lot of thought into things. You have to stop and think about things a little. You know, like educated people do.

This is exactly why the Lincoln Project videos are so much better than the typical Democrat ad.


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2020-09-26 2:18:29 PM  

Corvus: But lets be real. Fark does the same thing.\


They greenlight headlines to outrage people too over headlines that don't.


LOL next you'll tell me they allow people to make purposefully inflammatory remarks to increase post counts and clicks.
 
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