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(Ars Technica)   Smarter coffee maker, eh? Not so smart with ransomware on board. "Originally, we wanted to prove the fact that this device could mine cryptocurrency"   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2020-09-26 12:20:19 PM  
What's a reasonable explanation for a "smart' coffee machine? I have smart switches for some of my lamps, but that's because I use them for things like specialized lighting I don't have a unclunky way to get a switch involved in, if even at all.

Fot example, I have mounted LED light bars around the ceiling of my living room because there's no ceiling light in the space. The cord is discreetly hidden behind a bookshelf. It looks amazing IMHO. They're aimed up and the diffused light really doesn't even allow for shadows.

So yeah, is there anything relatable to my experience, but coffee maker related, that makes sense?
 
2020-09-26 1:29:12 PM  
It's the toaster's fault.
 
2020-09-26 1:59:09 PM  
Nah this is just what happens when it detects soil instead of coffee grounds.

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2020-09-26 2:19:48 PM  
The only thing my coffee maker needs to know is how to make coffee. Hell, I put in a generous scoop so I can add in "3" more "cups" worth of water while it's running and get an extra serving (I drink everything from a pint glass).

That said, it's a 20yr old Braun and it's still working like a champ so... put me down for another dumb and tough one.
 
2020-09-26 2:26:29 PM  
So with a weeks access to the coffee maker, they were able to force the machine to operate?

In that time, wouldn't be easier/faster to install your own controller on a standard coffee maker?
 
2020-09-26 2:56:22 PM  

Sasquach: So with a weeks access to the coffee maker, they were able to force the machine to operate?

In that time, wouldn't be easier/faster to install your own controller on a standard coffee maker?


But by doing so, he created a hack app on his phone that could hack other coffee makers remotely. This exposes the vulnerability in the protocol.
 
2020-09-26 3:12:35 PM  

arrogantbastich: What's a reasonable explanation for a "smart' coffee machine? I have smart switches for some of my lamps, but that's because I use them for things like specialized lighting I don't have a unclunky way to get a switch involved in, if even at all.

Fot example, I have mounted LED light bars around the ceiling of my living room because there's no ceiling light in the space. The cord is discreetly hidden behind a bookshelf. It looks amazing IMHO. They're aimed up and the diffused light really doesn't even allow for shadows.

So yeah, is there anything relatable to my experience, but coffee maker related, that makes sense?


I knew coffee machines were too smart when I sent my parents some "non-licensed" Keurig cups along with a "freedom cover" that allowed their use.  They had issues getting a re-usable cup to work, but I'm not sure they ever used it.
 
2020-09-26 4:09:00 PM  
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Sometimes no electronics are needed
 
2020-09-26 4:21:23 PM  
I drink tea instead of coffee. My tea maker has 1 button - ON. I think many coffee makers are designed similarly. Some have a timer for if you aren't capable of pushing the on button first thing in the morning or like to wake up to the smell of coffee. I don't see why they need to be more complicated than that. This "let's make everything smart" thing is getting ridiculous. Sure, there are a lot of things that are improved by allowing us to talk to them using smart phones. but not everything is. We need to use the KISS principle and only smart things that need smarting.
 
2020-09-26 4:38:04 PM  
Just oneore thing for the internet of shiat to write about.

I highly recommend looking at that Twitter, if any.
 
2020-09-26 4:41:40 PM  

koder: Nah this is just what happens when it detects soil instead of coffee grounds.

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Soil? Is that for ground coffee?
 
2020-09-26 5:12:38 PM  

Sim Tree: Sasquach: So with a weeks access to the coffee maker, they were able to force the machine to operate?

In that time, wouldn't be easier/faster to install your own controller on a standard coffee maker?

But by doing so, he created a hack app on his phone that could hack other coffee makers remotely. This exposes the vulnerability in the protocol.


Well look at you Mr. I Read The Whole Article
 
2020-09-26 5:16:37 PM  
I have some Folger's crystals for guests who need coffee.

/I don't get too many guests
 
2020-09-26 5:19:11 PM  

McGrits: I have some Folger's crystals for guests who need coffee.

/I don't get too many guests



Not with coffee like that.
 
2020-09-26 5:25:42 PM  
This is a good way to expose a bunch of IoT idiot makers who just think about making a product and not about how the thing would work in real life.  No encryption, plaintext firmware, and absolutely no protection.  Farking idiots.
 
2020-09-26 6:05:22 PM  

SpaceyCat: This is a good way to expose a bunch of IoT idiot makers who just think about making a product and not about how the thing would work in real life.  No encryption, plaintext firmware, and absolutely no protection.  Farking idiots.


In fairness, if there's a device I use near daily that security would be near to no concern... Coffee maker would be it.

Of course, the moment it's IoT or Bluetooth it becomes a vector to high profile devices, which is a problem. Standalone or local voice activation or something, I don't need a 2048bit encrypted coffee maker.
 
2020-09-26 6:19:34 PM  

Quantumbunny: Of course, the moment it's IoT or Bluetooth it becomes a vector to high profile devices, which is a problem. Standalone or local voice activation or something, I don't need a 2048bit encrypted coffee maker.


That's just it.  Once it's online or can be put online, it does need encryption.  Especially if it connects to your local wifi without any authentication.  Talk about leaving the door wide open and sending out a signal (literally in this case) that you have an unsecured connection.  Which is what a LOT of IoT makers just leave out of their product until someone points out the vulnerabilities.
 
2020-09-26 6:25:32 PM  
I'm just sad for all the people throughout history who couldn't make coffee because there were no microprocessors.  😢
 
2020-09-26 7:15:14 PM  
Yeah, well, get Doom running on it and I will be impressed.
 
2020-09-26 7:38:23 PM  

arrogantbastich: What's a reasonable explanation for a "smart' coffee machine? I have smart switches for some of my lamps, but that's because I use them for things like specialized lighting I don't have a unclunky way to get a switch involved in, if even at all.

Fot example, I have mounted LED light bars around the ceiling of my living room because there's no ceiling light in the space. The cord is discreetly hidden behind a bookshelf. It looks amazing IMHO. They're aimed up and the diffused light really doesn't even allow for shadows.

So yeah, is there anything relatable to my experience, but coffee maker related, that makes sense?


You want coffee but don't wanna go set everything up, so you press the button and wait for the notification before going to the kitchen, for starters
 
2020-09-26 8:52:08 PM  
"As a thought experiment, Martin Hron, a researcher at security company Avast, reverse engineered one of the $250 devices to see what kinds of hacks he could do."

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2020-09-26 10:43:23 PM  
Futurama - OUT OF CREAM !!
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2020-09-27 12:25:14 AM  

Oreamnos: McGrits: I have some Folger's crystals for guests who need coffee.

/I don't get too many guests


Not with coffee like that.


That can be a feature, not a bug!
 
2020-09-27 3:48:31 AM  
Rick and Morty - You pass Butter
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/welcome to the club, pal
 
2020-09-27 3:49:05 AM  

McGrits: I have some Folger's crystals for guests who need coffee.

/I don't get too many guests


Seinfeld - Jerry and Mr Bookman
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2020-09-27 9:16:58 AM  
 
2020-09-27 2:15:58 PM  
Me, 3 am sneaking down to the kitchen for a snack...

Refridge:  Sorry, I can't open the fridge door.

Me: Why not?

Fridge:  I got a text from the bathroom scale.  You are pushing 230!

No Pumpkin pie for you!
 
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