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2020-09-26 3:18:47 AM  
"Christian County"... what the fark....
 
2020-09-26 7:03:47 AM  
... and then he had to hurt his bullets when he shot the guy in the back.
 
2020-09-26 7:12:20 AM  
And the resisting arrest charge was already dismissed.  What does that say about this case.
 
2020-09-26 7:50:14 AM  
This cop isn't just a bastard. He's an asshole-frosted bastard with bastard cream filling.
 
2020-09-26 7:54:10 AM  
I know a guy who whose wife broke her hand when she slapped him.  Fortunately for him, there were lots of witnesses, both male and female, that witnessed her unprovoked on him.  She ended up just getting a (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) slap on the wrist.
 
2020-09-26 8:00:13 AM  

bighairyguy: I know a guy who whose wife broke her hand when she slapped him.  Fortunately for him, there were lots of witnesses, both male and female, that witnessed her unprovoked on him.  She ended up just getting a (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) slap on the wrist.


Was she hot? Inquiring minds and all that there
 
2020-09-26 8:01:33 AM  
I'm saving this for the next time I make a "charged with assault for hurting the officer's hand" joke.

What a farce.
 
2020-09-26 8:08:04 AM  
I do love the whole "I suspected the guy of doing something that I had no evidence of, but since that didn't pan out I ran his plate for fun".
 
2020-09-26 8:19:25 AM  

WhackingDay: I do love the whole "I suspected the guy of doing something that I had no evidence of, but since that didn't pan out I ran his plate for fun".


You do realize that many police departments run automatic license plate recognition, right?

I mean, they will sometimes park cars just to gather data.
 
2020-09-26 8:28:50 AM  
So now cops can track you down because they think you might be speeding, physically accost you without telling you that you are under arrest, and if you dare to tighten the muscles in your hand, you are liable for five years imprisonment because the cop breaks his hand punching you in the face multiple times.

Keep those fingers loose, citizen!
 
2020-09-26 8:29:26 AM  
Officer Spencer said he punched Calhoun in the face two or three times.

The punches resulted in the officer breaking his hand.

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2020-09-26 8:41:39 AM  
This reminds me of the lyric from that Pat Benatar song, "stop using your face as a weapon."
 
2020-09-26 8:47:50 AM  
Mom! I swear he fell on my fist!
 
2020-09-26 8:55:58 AM  
Is every paragraph in that story only one sentence long?

Feels like a Morse code message, needs the "stop"
 
2020-09-26 8:59:55 AM  
That lawyer is wasted on arguing for the cop.  He should be in the pedo defenders law firm -- where the big bucks are because of the sheer entertainment value.
 
2020-09-26 9:06:00 AM  
That story reeks of satire.
 
2020-09-26 9:18:32 AM  

Psychopompous: So now cops can track you down because they think you might be speeding, physically accost you without telling you that you are under arrest, and if you dare to tighten the muscles in your hand, you are liable for five years imprisonment because the cop breaks his hand punching you in the face multiple times.

Keep those fingers loose, citizen!


They've never had to tell you "you're under arrest" first.

The initial following is ok - they follow a suspected speeder, and determine their speed by matching their speed up. At the same time the plate is run. In this case a warrant came up.

What we don't know is how the physical confrontation started - the article just states that a physical altercation ocurred. With the dismissal of the resisting arrest charge, I'm wondering if the cop never determined if he had the right guy - and just attacked him. Either that or it's a stupid judge.
 
2020-09-26 9:29:45 AM  

PaulRB: ... and then he had to hurt his bullets when he shot the guy in the back.


I believe that's theft of bullets.
 
2020-09-26 9:34:18 AM  
How about the fact that your asshole cop doesn't know how to f*cking punch without breaking his hand.
 
2020-09-26 9:43:20 AM  

Invincible: PaulRB: ... and then he had to hurt his bullets when he shot the guy in the back.

I believe that's theft of bullets.


Perhaps damaging public property.
 
2020-09-26 9:46:00 AM  
Before you guys make any rash decisions, there is video evidence.
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2020-09-26 9:52:30 AM  
Judge Bacon ruled in favor of the cop.

Hmm.
 
2020-09-26 10:05:03 AM  
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2020-09-26 10:19:59 AM  

mrschwen: They've never had to tell you "you're under arrest" first.

The initial following is ok - they follow a suspected speeder, and determine their speed by matching their speed up. At the same time the plate is run. In this case a warrant came up.

What we don't know is how the physical confrontation started - the article just states that a physical altercation ocurred. With the dismissal of the resisting arrest charge, I'm wondering if the cop never determined if he had the right guy - and just attacked him. Either that or it's a stupid judge.


depends on state/jurisdiction.

Some might have to tell you that you are being detained.

In Missouri it is required by law that officers inform person they are being detained or arrested.  Running up on that person and using force is not allowed unless reasonable suspicion that person is a danger is there.  AKA, known threats that person said they would kill cops or citizens if confronted.
 
2020-09-26 10:25:18 AM  
"violating the terms of probation for drug possession charges"

...so this required the full force of the police? Wouldn't an appearance ticket do?

Again, we see the results of overpolicing, time and time again, resulting in a "bad outcome" for everybody involved. These cops seem to love hitting their heads into a brick wall, expecting something to change. This whole incident didn't need to happen at all.

George Floyd was killed because a convenience store clerk thought he passed a phony $20 bill. Let that sink in. At some point, cops need to do a simple "risk vs reward" analysis that doesn't involve prejudices against people because of their race or socioeconomic situation.
 
2020-09-26 10:49:10 AM  

dkulprit: mrschwen: They've never had to tell you "you're under arrest" first.

The initial following is ok - they follow a suspected speeder, and determine their speed by matching their speed up. At the same time the plate is run. In this case a warrant came up.

What we don't know is how the physical confrontation started - the article just states that a physical altercation ocurred. With the dismissal of the resisting arrest charge, I'm wondering if the cop never determined if he had the right guy - and just attacked him. Either that or it's a stupid judge.

depends on state/jurisdiction.

Some might have to tell you that you are being detained.

In Missouri it is required by law that officers inform person they are being detained or arrested.  Running up on that person and using force is not allowed unless reasonable suspicion that person is a danger is there.  AKA, known threats that person said they would kill cops or citizens if confronted.


That link is shiate.
1. It says nothing of the sort.
2. What you linked to is not a law.
 
2020-09-26 10:49:15 AM  

gar1013: WhackingDay: I do love the whole "I suspected the guy of doing something that I had no evidence of, but since that didn't pan out I ran his plate for fun".

You do realize that many police departments run automatic license plate recognition, right?

I mean, they will sometimes park cars just to gather data.


Are you okay with that practice?
 
2020-09-26 11:11:45 AM  
Punched the guy until he broke his hand THEN used the Taser?  If I'm the defense attorney, that's the angle I'd play.  Every cop who fired his/her gun always claims, "I feared for my life!", yet Barney Fife thought it was okey-dokey to go hands-on as the first option instead of the last?

This cop wanted to beat on someone, and actively hunted for a weak target.  I'd wager the cop has at least 4" and 50 lbs advantage on the guy; no way Dudley Do Wrong goes toe-to-toe with someone his own size or larger.
 
2020-09-26 11:24:02 AM  
Wasn't the cop making the charges, but the Prosecutor. But let the cop hate continue.
 
2020-09-26 11:26:11 AM  
face it, the cops are only half the problem, the lawyers are clearly just as guilty of creating the current situation.

And fooked up reason numeber one is:

Legal obligation number one for a lawyer is to win for the client.
And there is no obligation o them to help reveal the truth, the obligation is in fact to lie and hide the truth of guilt even if they have objective knowledge of guilt.


As long as that is what we want to be, then this that we have now is what we get.
make job number one of all lawyers be, to tell the truth and not be allowed to lie.

If the client tells the lawyer the truth of guilt, the lawyer should be obligated by law to not participate in any plea but guilty.
If the client wants to lie, they will have to do so to their lawyer as well.
As long as the court allows a lawyer to lie or misconstrue the facts of a case, when they had knowledge of guilt, then it is impossible to claim our court system is designed to seek justice or the truth.

By the design, of not just allowing, but obligating a lawyer seek to obtain a ruling on a case they know to be false. We explicitly have a system of  NOT JUSTICE AND NOT TRUTH, by design on purpose.

If the burden of lies falls 100% on the client, and lawyers with knowledge of guilt are explicitly breaking the law to enter a not guilty plea or seek an innocent verdict.

Then and only then could we claim the design of the system if for seeking the truth.

The current design is that one side is supposed to seek guilty verdicts, regardless of the truth.
We know it is that as verdicts of guilt are considered directly representative of how good the state prosecutors are at their job.
We can know it is that, as the other side is obligate dot seek innocent verdicts, again even when they know that is a lie, we still place that obligation on them over the discover of the truth.

So i can quite easily understand what kind of game this is based on the mechanics of the system.
It is a competitive game just about winning, caseu we obligate you to win no matter what the facts are.
In that system there is no real obligation to truth, and there can be no real justice without truth.
 
2020-09-26 11:33:42 AM  

PaulRB: ... and then he had to hurt his bullets when he shot the guy in the back.


Your estate will get a bill for the bullets.
 
2020-09-26 11:39:24 AM  

LesserEvil: "violating the terms of probation for drug possession charges"

...so this required the full force of the police? Wouldn't an appearance ticket do?

Again, we see the results of overpolicing, time and time again, resulting in a "bad outcome" for everybody involved. These cops seem to love hitting their heads into a brick wall, expecting something to change. This whole incident didn't need to happen at all.

George Floyd was killed because a convenience store clerk thought he passed a phony $20 bill. Let that sink in. At some point, cops need to do a simple "risk vs reward" analysis that doesn't involve prejudices against people because of their race or socioeconomic situation.


Given the quality of police training and the people they are attracting, expecting any kind of mental analysis is probably setting the bar too high. And while everything this guy might have done was by the book, it sure sounded like he was just looking for something easy, oh, some dude with a warrant for a parole violation, that'll be some nice low hanging fruit to pick.
 
2020-09-26 11:46:50 AM  

LesserEvil: "violating the terms of probation for drug possession charges"

...so this required the full force of the police? Wouldn't an appearance ticket do?

Again, we see the results of overpolicing, time and time again, resulting in a "bad outcome" for everybody involved. These cops seem to love hitting their heads into a brick wall, expecting something to change. This whole incident didn't need to happen at all.

George Floyd was killed because a convenience store clerk thought he passed a phony $20 bill. Let that sink in. At some point, cops need to do a simple "risk vs reward" analysis that doesn't involve prejudices against people because of their race or socioeconomic situation.


Both of these attacks on citizens by police seem to stem from police being trained to demand everyone follow their orders immediately or they escalate.  Control the scene.

I imagine a grandmother with bad knees, poor hearing, and a cane, on the street when police rush onto some reported crime scene and demand that everybody get down on the ground NOW.  They might push that lady down, not because they enjoy it but because of their training.
 
2020-09-26 11:47:49 AM  

gar1013: WhackingDay: I do love the whole "I suspected the guy of doing something that I had no evidence of, but since that didn't pan out I ran his plate for fun".

You do realize that many police departments run automatic license plate recognition, right?


And that's not what happened here, so shut up.  And also, shut up.
 
2020-09-26 11:53:09 AM  

mrschwen: dkulprit: mrschwen: They've never had to tell you "you're under arrest" first.

The initial following is ok - they follow a suspected speeder, and determine their speed by matching their speed up. At the same time the plate is run. In this case a warrant came up.

What we don't know is how the physical confrontation started - the article just states that a physical altercation ocurred. With the dismissal of the resisting arrest charge, I'm wondering if the cop never determined if he had the right guy - and just attacked him. Either that or it's a stupid judge.

depends on state/jurisdiction.

Some might have to tell you that you are being detained.

In Missouri it is required by law that officers inform person they are being detained or arrested.  Running up on that person and using force is not allowed unless reasonable suspicion that person is a danger is there.  AKA, known threats that person said they would kill cops or citizens if confronted.

That link is shiate.
1. It says nothing of the sort.
2. What you linked to is not a law.


So provide a link to the law that contradicts it.  Should be easy if you know WTF you're talking about.

No?  No link?  Gee... I wonder why.  You seemed so sure of yourself a minute ago.
 
2020-09-26 12:01:16 PM  

stuffy: Wasn't the cop making the charges, but the Prosecutor. But let the cop hate continue.


The prosecutor couldn't make those charges without the cop's cooperation and testimony.
Are people not culpable for the outcomes of things they choose to involve themselves in?
The phrase "cop hate" doesn't mean anything - it's just victimized virtue-signalling.
 
2020-09-26 12:05:53 PM  

LesserEvil: "violating the terms of probation for drug possession charges"

...so this required the full force of the police? Wouldn't an appearance ticket do?

Again, we see the results of overpolicing, time and time again, resulting in a "bad outcome" for everybody involved. These cops seem to love hitting their heads into a brick wall, expecting something to change. This whole incident didn't need to happen at all.

George Floyd was killed because a convenience store clerk thought he passed a phony $20 bill. Let that sink in. At some point, cops need to do a simple "risk vs reward" analysis that doesn't involve prejudices against people because of their race or socioeconomic situation.


I've been arrested twice in missouri because of the same illegal left turn municipal ticket. First time I forgot to pay and ended up getting a bench warrant. Went to jail, got released and went to court where I agreed to go to traffic school and pay appearance fees for having to go to courr. Couple of months later I am again pulled over driving home from work. Turns out another bench warrant has been issued because the appropriate paperwork never made it to the right place. I explain to the judge I did in fact attend traffic school and the judge asks me to sit and wait while he checks into my story. Turns out that the record that I had attended was in the system still had to pay court fees.

So yah once the warrant is issued you are boned. Hell the neither of the cops that arrested me were able to tell me why I was being arrested beyond the existence of a FTA bench warrant despite both of them making phone calls to various supervisors to see if St Louis county actually wanted me.

\Not sure that story actually made a point.
\\once the warrant is issued you are boned.
\\\yah I'm white
 
2020-09-26 12:08:15 PM  
i should punch a cop today
 
2020-09-26 12:16:13 PM  
snatch and run thief with a carburetor finds a "loss prevention specialist" in their way and proceeds to beat the "loss prevention specialist" about the head with stolen carburetor.  Police arrive, arrest thief.  NEXT morning store is being sued because the "loss prevention specialist" injured the thief's wrist by repeatedly striking it with his face.
 
2020-09-26 12:32:44 PM  
mrschwen:

He should have called for back up right as soon as the warrant came, blocked the car, lights on, through the speaker say to come out, arrest

Instead of rolling in with lights on running out.

An violent start by an officer in an arrest leads to a violent end. The police are supposed to be the mature ones.
 
2020-09-26 12:34:56 PM  
suspected Calhoun might be speeding, although he did not have radar to confirm that.

Holy fark?!! This is not right.
 
2020-09-26 12:54:57 PM  

morg: suspected Calhoun might be speeding, although he did not have radar to confirm that.

Holy fark?!! This is not right.


Depressingly common, really. Multiple courts have ruled that an officer need not KNOW a crime has been committed so long as he has "reason to believe" a crime has been/will be committed.

That sort of bullshiat rarely holds up unless the illegal stop/search happens to turn up something more significant than speeding, but courts have been filching exemptions away from the "fruit of the poisoned tree" rule for years.
 
2020-09-26 1:25:53 PM  
I don't defend cops who overstep, but the facts -- at least as they are related in TFA -- make me side with this one. He ran the plates, found out that the owner had a warrant out, pulled in to identify the occupant, the occupant initiated a physical confrontation, and instead of drawing his weapon and shooting him, the cop fought back with his fists, later tasing the guy to bring him down. Unless there's additional evidence or refutation of those contentions, this sounds justified.
 
2020-09-26 1:35:33 PM  

jjorsett: I don't defend cops who overstep, but the facts -- at least as they are related in TFA -- make me side with this one. He ran the plates, found out that the owner had a warrant out, pulled in to identify the occupant, the occupant initiated a physical confrontation, and instead of drawing his weapon and shooting him, the cop fought back with his fists, later tasing the guy to bring him down. Unless there's additional evidence or refutation of those contentions, this sounds justified.


How do you "initiate a physical confrontation" by walking in the opposite direction?
 
2020-09-26 1:36:38 PM  

Z-clipped: mrschwen: dkulprit: mrschwen: They've never had to tell you "you're under arrest" first.

The initial following is ok - they follow a suspected speeder, and determine their speed by matching their speed up. At the same time the plate is run. In this case a warrant came up.

What we don't know is how the physical confrontation started - the article just states that a physical altercation ocurred. With the dismissal of the resisting arrest charge, I'm wondering if the cop never determined if he had the right guy - and just attacked him. Either that or it's a stupid judge.

depends on state/jurisdiction.

Some might have to tell you that you are being detained.

In Missouri it is required by law that officers inform person they are being detained or arrested.  Running up on that person and using force is not allowed unless reasonable suspicion that person is a danger is there.  AKA, known threats that person said they would kill cops or citizens if confronted.

That link is shiate.
1. It says nothing of the sort.
2. What you linked to is not a law.

So provide a link to the law that contradicts it.  Should be easy if you know WTF you're talking about.

No?  No link?  Gee... I wonder why.  You seemed so sure of yourself a minute ago.


Again, what you posted was not a law.
What you posted also doesn't agree with your claim.
 
2020-09-26 1:44:29 PM  

AuralArgument: mrschwen:

He should have called for back up right as soon as the warrant came, blocked the car, lights on, through the speaker say to come out, arrest

Instead of rolling in with lights on running out.

An violent start by an officer in an arrest leads to a violent end. The police are supposed to be the mature ones.


Rolling in with lights on running out?

I agree though backup would have been better. That depends on the department and what they have available.
 
2020-09-26 1:45:52 PM  

mrschwen: Psychopompous: So now cops can track you down because they think you might be speeding, physically accost you without telling you that you are under arrest, and if you dare to tighten the muscles in your hand, you are liable for five years imprisonment because the cop breaks his hand punching you in the face multiple times.

Keep those fingers loose, citizen!

They've never had to tell you "you're under arrest" first.

The initial following is ok - they follow a suspected speeder, and determine their speed by matching their speed up. At the same time the plate is run. In this case a warrant came up.

What we don't know is how the physical confrontation started - the article just states that a physical altercation ocurred. With the dismissal of the resisting arrest charge, I'm wondering if the cop never determined if he had the right guy - and just attacked him. Either that or it's a stupid judge.

Psychopompous: So now cops can track you down because they think you might be speeding, physically accost you without telling you that you are under arrest, and if you dare to tighten the muscles in your hand, you are liable for five years imprisonment because the cop breaks his hand punching you in the face multiple times.


You're right, that is more absurd, ludicrous, abhorrent, depressingly likely to be true in 2020
 
2020-09-26 1:46:52 PM  

Psychopompous: jjorsett: I don't defend cops who overstep, but the facts -- at least as they are related in TFA -- make me side with this one. He ran the plates, found out that the owner had a warrant out, pulled in to identify the occupant, the occupant initiated a physical confrontation, and instead of drawing his weapon and shooting him, the cop fought back with his fists, later tasing the guy to bring him down. Unless there's additional evidence or refutation of those contentions, this sounds justified.

How do you "initiate a physical confrontation" by walking in the opposite direction?


Nothing in the article said anyone walked away.
 
2020-09-26 1:54:02 PM  

indy_kid: Punched the guy until he broke his hand THEN used the Taser?  If I'm the defense attorney, that's the angle I'd play.  Every cop who fired his/her gun always claims, "I feared for my life!", yet Barney Fife thought it was okey-dokey to go hands-on as the first option instead of the last?

This cop wanted to beat on someone, and actively hunted for a weak target.  I'd wager the cop has at least 4" and 50 lbs advantage on the guy; no way Dudley Do Wrong goes toe-to-toe with someone his own size or larger.


Great job with making assumptions.

We don't know how it started. Could've just as easily been initiated by the other guy, orbit could've happened like you said. There should be dash can footage somewhere to back up the officers claims. If not it looks bad on the officer. The dash cams are automatic, and newer systems can't just be overridden by a patrol officer - so where is it?
 
2020-09-26 1:55:12 PM  

WhackingDay: I do love the whole "I suspected the guy of doing something that I had no evidence of, but since that didn't pan out I ran his plate for fun".


Wait until every cop car has a connected camera that automatically scans and reads license plates.
 
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