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2020-09-26 4:10:53 AM  
Hehe. Canada.

If only it were real.
 
2020-09-26 6:10:56 AM  
Who wins the beard off though?
 
2020-09-26 6:15:49 AM  
Is subby suggesting that the Bloc Québécois are ultra-liberal? 


Because.......no. No they aren't.
 
2020-09-26 6:20:47 AM  
what about the Neo-Liberals and the Les superlibéraux du Québec?
 
2020-09-26 6:21:54 AM  
Politiclyincorrectfamilyguyreference.j​peg
 
2020-09-26 6:27:11 AM  
Canada: Expand sick leave for everyone.
United States of America: Leave everyone to get sick.
 
2020-09-26 6:30:07 AM  
I think i'm starting to understand, the Liberals are not really liberal, just like the Democrats are not at all democratic.
 
2020-09-26 6:42:05 AM  

Magruda: I think i'm starting to understand, the Liberals are not really liberal, just like the Democrats are not at all democratic.


The Liberals were centrist or slightly left of center with the NDP being outright socialist. Over the years the Liberals have moved ever more to the left and the NDP has struggled to be left enough to maintain relevance. I fully expect that within my lifetime the NDP will run on a platform of collective farming
 
2020-09-26 6:54:05 AM  
I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.
 
2020-09-26 7:02:01 AM  

Destructor: Hehe. Canada.

If only it were real.


Oh, it's real - and quite spectacular.
 
2020-09-26 7:04:09 AM  

Magruda: I think i'm starting to understand, the Liberals are not really liberal, just like the Democrats are not at all democratic.


0-2, Bubba. What the pitch selection this time
 
2020-09-26 7:05:16 AM  

smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.


Well said, man. Can confirm same.
 
2020-09-26 7:07:26 AM  
What about the Earth-Two Liberals and the Heroes Reborn Liberals?
 
2020-09-26 7:10:55 AM  

Destructor: Hehe. Canada.

If only it were real.


STFU stupid
 
2020-09-26 7:13:58 AM  

RasIanI: smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.

Well said, man. Can confirm same.


Yes his mission to create a gender neutral military is what a capable and science based leader would do. Trudeau is smart enough to have capable people around him but it is only because his contemporaries around the world are such shiat that he seems to shine.
 
2020-09-26 7:24:17 AM  
Meanwhile in America, McConnell refused to allow voting on a relief bill unless it let your employer force you to work in unsafe conditions and took away your ability to sue if you got sick from those conditions.
 
2020-09-26 7:25:12 AM  

smileyphase: I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.


Right now down south needs a super hero like Italy's Tuttapatata to clean up the current administration.  One lift of her skirt and justice will be served.
"Tuttapatata" - Broncoviz (1996)
Youtube 4AWoOpb5rt0
 
2020-09-26 7:25:24 AM  
I've been called a "liberal" as a pejorative term several times in recent weeks on Twitter by far-left anti-Biden folks. Who knew it was an insult!
 
2020-09-26 7:39:36 AM  

RTOGUY: Magruda: I think i'm starting to understand, the Liberals are not really liberal, just like the Democrats are not at all democratic.

The Liberals were centrist or slightly left of center with the NDP being outright socialist. Over the years the Liberals have moved ever more to the left and the NDP has struggled to be left enough to maintain relevance. I fully expect that within my lifetime the NDP will run on a platform of collective farming


Liberalism is a right wing ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lo​c​ke et. al.
 
2020-09-26 7:44:54 AM  

Publikwerks: what about the Neo-Liberals


They're called Conservatives.

/no, really
 
2020-09-26 7:54:37 AM  

RTOGUY: The Liberals were centrist or slightly left of center with the NDP being outright socialist. Over the years the Liberals have moved ever more to the left and the NDP has struggled to be left enough to maintain relevance. I fully expect that within my lifetime the NDP will run on a platform of collective farming


Essentially.

The Liberals liked to be centrist because they had a strategy of expanding their base among the more moderate middle classes in the right. They never worried about their leftist base (even though there were two other parties that could conceivably steal them), it was all about pleasing the business classes. Socially left, economically right. Every election was basically a power shift of these rightwing moderates from Liberal to Conservative.

But ever since the Conservatives went hard right there doesn't seem to be many of these moderates anymore. Without that strategy to expand their base the Liberals don't see any reason to appeal to the right so they have gravitated left, and by doing so have encroached on the NDP and Green numbers.

The NDP had a small window where they could've become the dominating leftwing party in Canada, but then Jack Layton died and the party's gone downhill.
 
2020-09-26 8:12:46 AM  

RTOGUY: RasIanI: smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.

Well said, man. Can confirm same.

Yes his mission to create a gender neutral military is what a capable and science based leader would do. Trudeau is smart enough to have capable people around him but it is only because his contemporaries around the world are such shiat that he seems to shine.


Former mil (combat arms) old fark here.  I had one of  the first female Troopers as my tank driver in the Strathcona's.  She was a good Soldier.
 
2020-09-26 8:23:22 AM  

strathcona: RTOGUY: RasIanI: smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.

Well said, man. Can confirm same.

Yes his mission to create a gender neutral military is what a capable and science based leader would do. Trudeau is smart enough to have capable people around him but it is only because his contemporaries around the world are such shiat that he seems to shine.

Former mil (combat arms) old fark here.  I had one of  the first female Troopers as my tank driver in the Strathcona's.  She was a good Soldier.


I don't have a problem with women in the military at all. I do have a problem with the government trying to force complete gender parity. Just because the total population is roughly 50/50 male to female it doesn't mean that every organization needs to be perfectly 50/50. If not enough women want to be combat engineers that should be looked at as a personal choice and not an institutional failing.
 
2020-09-26 8:35:42 AM  
Let me take this moment to say fark O'Toole and the Conservatives for opposing the throne speech to try and force a snap election.  I now eagerly await their inevitable claims that Trudeau is politicizing the pandemic.
 
2020-09-26 8:53:46 AM  

RTOGUY: strathcona: RTOGUY: RasIanI: smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.

Well said, man. Can confirm same.

Yes his mission to create a gender neutral military is what a capable and science based leader would do. Trudeau is smart enough to have capable people around him but it is only because his contemporaries around the world are such shiat that he seems to shine.

Former mil (combat arms) old fark here.  I had one of  the first female Troopers as my tank driver in the Strathcona's.  She was a good Soldier.

I don't have a problem with women in the military at all. I do have a problem with the government trying to force complete gender parity. Just because the total population is roughly 50/50 male to female it doesn't mean that every organization needs to be perfectly 50/50. If not enough women want to be combat engineers that should be looked at as a personal choice and not an institutional failing.


A) Who the fark would want to  be a cmbat engineer?
B) I;m a Tanker.  That  makes A) a really dumb question
 
2020-09-26 8:57:29 AM  

smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.


Trudeau can be a ding-dong sometimes, but our country is doing better now (COVID notwithstanding) than it was under Harper.  And the conservatives in ON and AB just keep screwing things up, so I don't want to risk conservatives coming back on a national level right now.
 
2020-09-26 8:59:45 AM  

strathcona: .

A) Who the fark would want to  be a cmbat engineer?
B) I;m a Tanker.  That  makes A) a really dumb question


My uncle was a combat engineer, got to see a lot of the world.  Mind you most of the time he was just seeing the ground.
 
2020-09-26 9:00:28 AM  

strathcona: RTOGUY: strathcona: RTOGUY: RasIanI: smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.

Well said, man. Can confirm same.

Yes his mission to create a gender neutral military is what a capable and science based leader would do. Trudeau is smart enough to have capable people around him but it is only because his contemporaries around the world are such shiat that he seems to shine.

Former mil (combat arms) old fark here.  I had one of  the first female Troopers as my tank driver in the Strathcona's.  She was a good Soldier.

I don't have a problem with women in the military at all. I do have a problem with the government trying to force complete gender parity. Just because the total population is roughly 50/50 male to female it doesn't mean that every organization needs to be perfectly 50/50. If not enough women want to be combat engineers that should be looked at as a personal choice and not an institutional failing.

A) Who the fark would want to  be a cmbat engineer?
B) I;m a Tanker.  That  makes A) a really dumb question


My brother for the last 18 years.
 
2020-09-26 9:07:21 AM  

Flappyhead: strathcona: .

A) Who the fark would want to  be a cmbat engineer?
B) I;m a Tanker.  That  makes A) a really dumb question

My uncle was a combat engineer, got to see a lot of the world.  Mind you most of the time he was just seeing the ground.


So did I.  Not the places you'd want to see though.
 
2020-09-26 9:25:44 AM  
I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.
 
2020-09-26 9:31:47 AM  

Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.


Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.
 
2020-09-26 9:37:14 AM  

RTOGUY: strathcona: RTOGUY: strathcona: RTOGUY: RasIanI: smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.

Well said, man. Can confirm same.

Yes his mission to create a gender neutral military is what a capable and science based leader would do. Trudeau is smart enough to have capable people around him but it is only because his contemporaries around the world are such shiat that he seems to shine.

Former mil (combat arms) old fark here.  I had one of  the first female Troopers as my tank driver in the Strathcona's.  She was a good Soldier.

I don't have a problem with women in the military at all. I do have a problem with the government trying to force complete gender parity. Just because the total population is roughly 50/50 male to female it doesn't mean that every organization needs to be perfectly 50/50. If not enough women want to be combat engineers that should be looked at as a personal choice and not an institutional failing.

A) Who the fark would want to  be a cmbat engineer?
B) I;m a Tanker.  That  makes A) a really dumb question

My brother for the last 18 years.


Combat arms ain't the easiest way to make a living, but it has its moments.

Looking back, I'd not trade my life out    .  Saw horrifying things in the Balkans.

But the Brotherhood keeps me going.
 
2020-09-26 9:42:22 AM  

RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.


Their last leader proudly glad-handed and addressed a rally of yellow-vests, Northern Guard, Sons of Odin and other white nationalists gathered on Parliament Hill. O'Toole and other members of the CPC caucus stood behind him while he did it. That's all I need to know about O'Toole and the CPC.
 
2020-09-26 9:42:59 AM  

RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.


Uh huh yep and last time they also very nearly picked Maxime Bernier as the leader.

That shiat don't wash off.
 
2020-09-26 9:45:37 AM  

RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.


Ah yes, Lewis, every Reformers black friend who's cited everytime the CPC are called out. She didn't win though, did she? Instead we got another socially conservative rehash of Harper. But Lewis exists, therefore all's well.
 
2020-09-26 9:46:08 AM  

Flappyhead: Let me take this moment to say fark O'Toole and the Conservatives for opposing the throne speech to try and force a snap election.  I now eagerly await their inevitable claims that Trudeau is politicizing the pandemic.


An election, during a pandemic, a year after we just had one, would be political suicide for the Conservatives. I can think of nothing that would piss off Canadians more and they would destroy the Cons at the ballot box just out of spite (it has happened before).

Do not interrupt Mr. and Mrs. Canada with this frivolous nonsense. They treat politics like baking soda in the fridge: Ignore it until it starts to smell bad, and then replaced it.
 
2020-09-26 9:47:38 AM  

Ishkur: Flappyhead: Let me take this moment to say fark O'Toole and the Conservatives for opposing the throne speech to try and force a snap election.  I now eagerly await their inevitable claims that Trudeau is politicizing the pandemic.

An election, during a pandemic, a year after we just had one, would be political suicide for the Conservatives. I can think of nothing that would piss off Canadians more and they would destroy the Cons at the ballot box just out of spite (it has happened before).

Do not interrupt Mr. and Mrs. Canada with this frivolous nonsense. They treat politics like baking soda in the fridge: Ignore it until it starts to smell bad, and then replaced it.


This is the most correct analogy of Canadian voting I've ever read.
 
2020-09-26 10:03:12 AM  
What about the Super Saiyan Blue liberals?
 
2020-09-26 10:23:11 AM  

slama: RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.

Ah yes, Lewis, every Reformers black friend who's cited everytime the CPC are called out. She didn't win though, did she? Instead we got another socially conservative rehash of Harper. But Lewis exists, therefore all's well.


The Liberals didn't vote in a black woman either did they? Lewis had a fine showing for a political unknown up against some candidates with some big name recognition. It is very woke of you to imply she was somehow just a token though.
 
2020-09-26 10:31:19 AM  

RTOGUY: Magruda: I think i'm starting to understand, the Liberals are not really liberal, just like the Democrats are not at all democratic.

The Liberals were centrist or slightly left of center with the NDP being outright socialist. Over the years the Liberals have moved ever more to the left and the NDP has struggled to be left enough to maintain relevance. I fully expect that within my lifetime the NDP will run on a platform of collective farming


I hope so; we already have near total automation of cover crops and if we grow meat in vats, we can do away with animal farming. The 2 farmers and a couple technicians that feed the nation will be cherished for their selfless sacrifice to the nation.

But seriously, what's wrong with co-ops?
 
2020-09-26 10:48:58 AM  

RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.


He won by courting the SoCons.  The Conservatives will have a hard time unless they find a way to silence that part of the party.

Canadians don't want to reopen some debates, it's time to ditch those free votes on things like abortion.  It also doesn't help that some of the same rhetoric is leaking into the more militant members as down south.  Comments like we'd prefer Trump over Trudeau, the fact they make up maybe 35% of the county but commit half the political violence.

If they want to win they need to appeal to the centre, and stop courting the far right.
 
2020-09-26 11:08:52 AM  

Ishkur: The NDP had a small window where they could've become the dominating leftwing party in Canada, but then Jack Layton died and the party's gone downhill.


I remember where I was when I heard the news.  Dude was probably one of Canada's finest modern politicians.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jack​-​layton-s-last-letter-to-canadians-1.99​1992
 
2020-09-26 11:14:42 AM  

RTOGUY: slama: RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.

Ah yes, Lewis, every Reformers black friend who's cited everytime the CPC are called out. She didn't win though, did she? Instead we got another socially conservative rehash of Harper. But Lewis exists, therefore all's well.

The Liberals didn't vote in a black woman either did they? Lewis had a fine showing for a political unknown up against some candidates with some big name recognition. It is very woke of you to imply she was somehow just a token though.


I didn't tokenize her, the CPC and their base did. Your entire description of her as an example of how the party isn't Trumpy is "look we had a black immigrant who came from Jamaica!!"

During the election itself, she was never promoted as anything beyond "black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

I had to listen to weeks of idiots repeating "how will the Liberals criticize HER?? She's a black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

The CPC are ridiculous.
 
2020-09-26 11:31:58 AM  

slama: RTOGUY: slama: RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.

Ah yes, Lewis, every Reformers black friend who's cited everytime the CPC are called out. She didn't win though, did she? Instead we got another socially conservative rehash of Harper. But Lewis exists, therefore all's well.

The Liberals didn't vote in a black woman either did they? Lewis had a fine showing for a political unknown up against some candidates with some big name recognition. It is very woke of you to imply she was somehow just a token though.

I didn't tokenize her, the CPC and their base did. Your entire description of her as an example of how the party isn't Trumpy is "look we had a black immigrant who came from Jamaica!!"

During the election itself, she was never promoted as anything beyond "black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

I had to listen to weeks of idiots repeating "how will the Liberals criticize HER?? She's a black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

The CPC are ridiculous.


She's a fine example of the party being open to demographics not traditionally associated with the conservative party. Referring to her as a reformer's "black friend" is getting close to the no true Scotsman argument implying that somehow you can't be a black conservative.
 
2020-09-26 11:42:11 AM  

RTOGUY: slama: RTOGUY: slama: RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.

Ah yes, Lewis, every Reformers black friend who's cited everytime the CPC are called out. She didn't win though, did she? Instead we got another socially conservative rehash of Harper. But Lewis exists, therefore all's well.

The Liberals didn't vote in a black woman either did they? Lewis had a fine showing for a political unknown up against some candidates with some big name recognition. It is very woke of you to imply she was somehow just a token though.

I didn't tokenize her, the CPC and their base did. Your entire description of her as an example of how the party isn't Trumpy is "look we had a black immigrant who came from Jamaica!!"

During the election itself, she was never promoted as anything beyond "black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

I had to listen to weeks of idiots repeating "how will the Liberals criticize HER?? She's a black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

The CPC are ridiculous.

She's a fine example of the party being open to demographics not traditionally associated with the conservative party. Referring to her as a reformer's "black friend" is getting close to the no true Scotsman argument implying that somehow you can't be a black conservative.


Yes and her presence in the leadership race is an excellent analogy to the guy who would invite his daughter's black friend to a party but slam the door on him actually dating her.

The CPC can't seem to find the balls to tell its racists to get bent.
 
2020-09-26 11:46:59 AM  

slama: Ishkur: Flappyhead: Let me take this moment to say fark O'Toole and the Conservatives for opposing the throne speech to try and force a snap election.  I now eagerly await their inevitable claims that Trudeau is politicizing the pandemic.

An election, during a pandemic, a year after we just had one, would be political suicide for the Conservatives. I can think of nothing that would piss off Canadians more and they would destroy the Cons at the ballot box just out of spite (it has happened before).

Do not interrupt Mr. and Mrs. Canada with this frivolous nonsense. They treat politics like baking soda in the fridge: Ignore it until it starts to smell bad, and then replaced it.

This is the most correct analogy of Canadian voting I've ever read.


Rick Mercer said it best on his show: "Canadians do not vote for Governments, we just vote out Governments"
 
2020-09-26 12:03:31 PM  

Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.


THIS is where I have landed too.

/In Vancouver where Trumperism has infected the local Cons as well.
// At least we took his hotel away from him.
/// *shrugs*
 
2020-09-26 12:08:24 PM  

RTOGUY: slama: RTOGUY: slama: RTOGUY: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

Have you listened to O'Toole? He's nothing like Trump. Conservative party voters even voted heavily for  Leslyn Lewis a black immigrant from Jamaica as party leader. There is a loud Trumpish segment of the party out west but the Conservatives are still a long way from being Trump North.

Ah yes, Lewis, every Reformers black friend who's cited everytime the CPC are called out. She didn't win though, did she? Instead we got another socially conservative rehash of Harper. But Lewis exists, therefore all's well.

The Liberals didn't vote in a black woman either did they? Lewis had a fine showing for a political unknown up against some candidates with some big name recognition. It is very woke of you to imply she was somehow just a token though.

I didn't tokenize her, the CPC and their base did. Your entire description of her as an example of how the party isn't Trumpy is "look we had a black immigrant who came from Jamaica!!"

During the election itself, she was never promoted as anything beyond "black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

I had to listen to weeks of idiots repeating "how will the Liberals criticize HER?? She's a black immigrant lady from Jamaica!!"

The CPC are ridiculous.

She's a fine example of the party being open to demographics not traditionally associated with the conservative party. Referring to her as a reformer's "black friend" is getting close to the no true Scotsman argument implying that somehow you can't be a black conservative.

She's a fine example of the party being open to demographics not traditionally associated with the conservative party.


Right. The CPC's black friend.

Referring to her as a reformer's "black friend" is getting close to the no true Scotsman argument implying that somehow you can't be a black conservative.

It's not remotely a statement on her sincerity, it's pointing out that the CPC are clowns who think having a black friend absolves them of the fact a white supremacist was also in the running.
 
2020-09-26 12:10:30 PM  

RasIanI: smileyphase: I know this will devolve to an American thread, and that's okay, but as a Canadian, I want to express my feelings of intense relief. It was a good speech/proposal, Trudeau is a goofy but capable and charismatic leader (with a few stupid ethical issues he acknowledges and addresses) who defers to science, is trying to be a better person, and I don't want anyone else in charge.

I was afraid we'd 2020 Canada further. Now I can go back to worrying about the nightmare down south.

Well said, man. Can confirm same.


I'm relieved too. Now we can focus on getting our child back to school.
 
2020-09-26 12:11:59 PM  

quatchi: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: I'll happily take a temporary Liberal/NDP coalition than any Conservative government any time. Especially now that they've completely abandoned traditional Canadian Conservatism for Trumpism North.

THIS is where I have landed too.

/In Vancouver where Trumperism has infected the local Cons as well.
// At least we took his hotel away from him.
/// *shrugs*


when they got that chucklehead Erin O'Toole as leader I thought: they didn't learn a goddamed thing did they.
 
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