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(Guardian)   Have you considered becoming a half-tourist (one who combines work and travel) in these Covid-19 times?   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2020-09-26 2:30:16 AM  
No.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-09-26 2:43:06 AM  
Been one of those for years, it's called going for a walk on your breaks.
 
2020-09-26 2:57:06 AM  
I'm fine right here thanks for asking.
 
2020-09-26 3:10:09 AM  
I already sort of was. I travel for work to our facilities in the Southeast. Because I often split my time on site, I can sometimes find a couple of hours to do something else. I have been to several museums, monuments and memorials. I also use multi-use trails to exercise. A lot of things closed and I haven't seen which ones reopened and how they handle reciprocal membership yet.
 
2020-09-26 5:00:00 AM  
I'd write you a lengthy response about how not everybody can afford the luxury of jet-setting around the world, but I'm technically stealing from the company just by typing this and the boss is looking this way.
 
2020-09-26 6:18:21 AM  
Oneflower?
 
2020-09-26 6:40:34 AM  
I know a freelance translator that did just that. Spent about two years traveling the world. All her business is done by mail : get the original text, send the translated text and the bill, get paid.

Back in Canada, she had enough for a deposit on a small house. Good for her.
 
2020-09-26 6:49:03 AM  
Lots of English teaching "experts" being let into Vietnam now. Two weeks quarantine, and they're teaching in the public schools for $1500 a month. Vietnam was full of nomads before. The difference now is that a college degree is required.
 
2020-09-26 7:40:00 AM  
Doe the Army count?
I got to see exotic places.
 
2020-09-26 7:44:41 AM  
Yes, yes I have.  The conclusion I've reached is that A: it isn't worth it during COVID, B: the places I could afford to are largely anti-LGBT or places I don't want to go, and C: With my health issues it would be a bad idea to make plans that assume a minimum level of capacity.
 
2020-09-26 8:33:37 AM  
Since I'll be working from home though most of the winter it appears, I was debating heading south for the winter and getting out of the snow.  A quick look at the Covid map changed my mind.
 
2020-09-26 8:34:38 AM  
Reminds me of the good old days when I used to get sent to The Netherlands for training.
 
2020-09-26 8:56:08 AM  

Creoena: Since I'll be working from home though most of the winter it appears, I was debating heading south for the winter and getting out of the snow.  A quick look at the Covid map changed my mind.


I've been to Florida twice in Covid times.  Just be sure to avoid Floridians.  That's good nonpandemic advice as well.
 
2020-09-26 9:01:18 AM  

sourballs: Lots of English teaching "experts" being let into Vietnam now. Two weeks quarantine, and they're teaching in the public schools for $1500 a month. Vietnam was full of nomads before. The difference now is that a college degree is required.


I would consider trying out Hanoi if it wasn't for the terrible air quality.
 
2020-09-26 9:16:52 AM  
I've said before, but the cruise ship companies should have switched over to long-term work-from-wherever bubbles months ago.

Have everyone quarantine first, then stay at sea for like 3-6 months, resupplying as needed.
 
2020-09-26 9:18:20 AM  
Prague has been that for years, but I've always just considered it to be the revolving door of expats
 
2020-09-26 9:37:02 AM  
Yes, but I'm too scared to travel.
 
2020-09-26 9:58:22 AM  
You mean "working from home" and then taking your laptop with you on vacation and working on the hotel wifi instead of from home? I've already done that. Had to get off the beach and go do urgent work for about an hour, and then went back.

/I'm technically a contractor right now, so it was worth it to still get paid for that entire day, seeing as I have no paid vacation days.
 
2020-09-26 9:59:52 AM  

BMFPitt: I've said before, but the cruise ship companies should have switched over to long-term work-from-wherever bubbles months ago.

Have everyone quarantine first, then stay at sea for like 3-6 months, resupplying as needed.


They might not get COVID, but food poisoning would be remarkably common in that kind of situation.

That said I'm honestly surprised no cruise company hasn't advertised itself with 'don't you wish this was your office' looking out over the sea.
 
2020-09-26 10:18:12 AM  
We've done something like this in past years. Right now, the idea of using an airport seems a bit crazy, and then I would wonder about what is available or safe for use in the destination. But the general idea was great - I have been working from home for a long time, so a laptop is enough to continue. Though the time we drove to a US beach town, I packed my own monitors & keyboard for a more proper setup. Each time, my wife arranged to continue her part-time work too.

Time zone should be carefully considered. My wife was just working in-person with locals, and mine happened to move us closer to my usual coworkers. But for most work, I'd assume they'd want you to keep mostly the same hours. I'm already very comfortable with flexibility - taking an afternoon or whole day when the weather or something else gives a great opportunity and catching up another evening or day (or falling back on schedule if I did the shifted hours in advance).

Expenses were a lot higher, so we basically used a 2 week vacation budget to cover 2 months of access. We were visiting destinations in their high season, so for one, rental cost was sky high. The other was better as we swapped houses with a friend. But it was still a somewhat expensive area and we were eating at restaurants and visiting nearby cities and venues much more than we do at home.
 
2020-09-26 10:45:11 AM  
I've worked from home for about 7 years now. We don't go on vacation much, but every year my wife has a conference in either Chicago or DC and I go with her. Every 3 years she has a conference overseas and I definitely go with her (likely wouldn't shell out the money otherwise). Last year was Utrecht, the time before that was Porto (which was awesome). I work while she's in sessions and when I'm done I wander until she's finished for the day. In Porto, I basically lived on sausage and white sangria. If you can do it, I recommend it, no matter how you manage it.
 
2020-09-26 11:06:53 AM  

BMFPitt: I've said before, but the cruise ship companies should have switched over to long-term work-from-wherever bubbles months ago.

Have everyone quarantine first, then stay at sea for like 3-6 months, resupplying as needed.


It's supposed to be a workcation, not a term in a prison labour camp.
 
2020-09-26 11:32:46 AM  
I do this during non-pandemic times. There are a few food and drink publications I write for, so I'll build a trip around a story idea or a convention where I can network and build interview contacts for future pieces. No way in heck I'm doing this until it's safe to do so, which is fine - nobody's exactly holding conventions these days.
 
2020-09-26 11:35:44 AM  

Exception Collection: BMFPitt: I've said before, but the cruise ship companies should have switched over to long-term work-from-wherever bubbles months ago.

Have everyone quarantine first, then stay at sea for like 3-6 months, resupplying as needed.

They might not get COVID, but food poisoning would be remarkably common in that kind of situation.

That said I'm honestly surprised no cruise company hasn't advertised itself with 'don't you wish this was your office' looking out over the sea.


Based on my experience working in a cruise ship destination, on-board internet sucks.  It's slow, and it's not reliable.  It also seems to be expensive, but that probably varies widely.


My observation is, the first thing guests (and crew) want when they walk down that gangway is a wifi hotspot.
 
2020-09-26 12:15:31 PM  
Have you ever considered that that habitat is already taken by millions of poor people who have to work those jobs, not because they have disposable income, but because they have no choice but to be transients in order to pay the bills? Ah right--they never even entered your mind.

But nonetheless, if you monied posers would like to appropriate some poor person's job so that you can feel romantic and carefree, you should do it. You have that privilege, and god knows, you farkers know how to use it
 
2020-09-26 12:22:14 PM  
Funny how this article is about "travel" and not actual living, which is something that is now boring and passe, since the monied classes now have the ability to take over everything, as long as they stay tethered to their computers, and they are both LIVING and WORKING and PLAYING at the same time, because goddamnit, they are WORTH IT, and the fact that their new lifestyle demands 100 times more servants than they needed before is not a factor in anything, because FARK, you are supporting the economy with your infinite glamour and paychecks, and if somebody doesn't like it, they can just get out of the way, because you are appropriating this place too.

Of course you are, honey.
 
2020-09-26 12:23:10 PM  
I did something like this for 2 years.  My company sent me around the country to do compliance visits to our branch offices.  We would stay in an area usually for a couple of weeks at a time. I was sent everywhere from Vermont in the NE to Washington State in the NW, Arizona and Texas in the SW and seemingly everywhere in between.  I was based in FL.  Obv the company paid for the flights and hotel rooms.  I had a company card and a per diem for everything else.  The basic rule was after you do your job, go do whatever you want on your free time.  Fun stuff you of course had to pay for on your own but I never would have been able to afford to go to all those places on my own dime.  It was an awesome job especially if you were single and wanted to see the country and have someone else pay for it.  Obviously I wouldnt do this during covid, travel would have been suspended anyway.

My favorite cities were Boston, NYC, Chicago, New Orleans, San Antonio, Austin and Seattle and I went to many more.

/DNRTFA
//CSB
 
2020-09-26 1:21:10 PM  

cryinoutloud: Have you ever considered that that habitat is already taken by millions of poor people who have to work those jobs, not because they have disposable income, but because they have no choice but to be transients in order to pay the bills? Ah right--they never even entered your mind.

But nonetheless, if you monied posers would like to appropriate some poor person's job so that you can feel romantic and carefree, you should do it. You have that privilege, and god knows, you farkers know how to use it


Username checks out.
 
2020-09-26 1:21:49 PM  

Laobaojun: Doe the Army count?
I got to see exotic places.


Meet interesting people.
And then kill them.
 
2020-09-26 2:10:36 PM  
I was a field engineer 1994-1995, doing point-to-point travel from January to November (it was working on Post Office sorting machines, so we couldn't tear apart the machines in December).

When I didn't bother to go skiing when working in Denver, I knew it was time to quit.
/dad mentioned being stationed in Germany
//and plenty of soldiers didn't go past the first (US based/PX?) bar
///while not encouraged to serve, the point was that if Uncle Sam sends you to see the world: go see it.
 
2020-09-26 2:35:42 PM  

AirForceVet: No.


It's Toolaten which for which we've already invented a horribly dumb word. Done deal, adopt the word or risk being called an "old".
 
2020-09-26 4:38:48 PM  

sourballs: Lots of English teaching "experts" being let into Vietnam now. Two weeks quarantine, and they're teaching in the public schools for $1500 a month. Vietnam was full of nomads before. The difference now is that a college degree is required.


This is relevant to my interests.
 
2020-09-26 5:27:05 PM  
I would love to do it, but I can't afford the rent there and to keep my house here.
 
2020-09-26 7:41:19 PM  

dumbobruni: sourballs: Lots of English teaching "experts" being let into Vietnam now. Two weeks quarantine, and they're teaching in the public schools for $1500 a month. Vietnam was full of nomads before. The difference now is that a college degree is required.

I would consider trying out Hanoi if it wasn't for the terrible air quality.


It's gotten better recently because of Covid.
 
2020-09-26 8:08:20 PM  
I work from my boat sometimes.

/sorry, that sounds smug. Actually haven't done it in months.
 
2020-09-26 10:41:51 PM  
I've been tempted to move overseas and just not tell my work. We've been work from home for six months now. No need to go into the office. No firm wide plans for anyone to be back in the office for another six months at the absolute minimum...
 
2020-09-27 12:02:43 AM  
Monied poseur checking in.  There's a "u" to let you know I'm fancy.

I've long considered short & long term consulting on-sites as work-vacation roulette.  There's a lot to see out there in random places.
 
2020-09-27 1:19:52 AM  
I always have to do some work when I go on vacation.  I have to make sure my workers get paid correctly and I'm always on call to my assistant in case they need to ask me questions... which I'll answer with varying degrees of sobriety.

But that's like an hour or two of work a week compared to my normal ~60.  To travel to an exotic location and spend that kind of time at work just sounds awful.
 
2020-09-27 7:54:56 AM  
Rick Steves already has that "job."
 
2020-09-27 7:55:57 AM  
Of course, so did Anthony Bourdain - look what it did to him.
 
2020-09-27 9:09:41 AM  
A guy I work with is doing this. He has been travelling throughout the near west (CO, WY), working 4hrs a day and stretching his vacation. We're lucky to have jorbs where we can work from home, so, why not work from somebody else's "home"?
 
2020-09-27 9:43:47 AM  

The Smails Kid: cryinoutloud: Have you ever considered that that habitat is already taken by millions of poor people who have to work those jobs, not because they have disposable income, but because they have no choice but to be transients in order to pay the bills? Ah right--they never even entered your mind.

But nonetheless, if you monied posers would like to appropriate some poor person's job so that you can feel romantic and carefree, you should do it. You have that privilege, and god knows, you farkers know how to use it

Username checks out.



Yup. He's just about the whiniest f*cker who ever whined.
 
2020-09-27 10:32:19 AM  
I used to do this, all across Europe, right up until the pandemic hit. I'd go visit a customer or attend a conference in some city, hit the town in the evenings, then usually tack on an extra day trip or two. Obviously I'd pay for everything during those extra days, but the boss wouldn't mind if I moved the flights around as long as I didn't go crazy with it.

The most "half touristy" thing I did was a trip to Windsor during an eight-hour layover at LHR (by choice), coming in all the way from Seattle. I probably won't be doing that again.

Some customer visits went on for 2-3 weeks at a time so I'd get the weekends basically "for free". Per diem and everything. Lisbon and Porto were both awesome. I can't wait to go back to Portugal after this pandemic is over.
 
2020-09-27 11:26:29 AM  

cryinoutloud: Have you ever considered that that habitat is already taken by millions of poor people who have to work those jobs, not because they have disposable income, but because they have no choice but to be transients in order to pay the bills? Ah right--they never even entered your mind.

But nonetheless, if you monied posers would like to appropriate some poor person's job so that you can feel romantic and carefree, you should do it. You have that privilege, and god knows, you farkers know how to use it


TFA is behind a paywall so maybe you skipped it altogether, but it's about doing YOUR current job while living in another city / country.
 
2020-09-27 11:41:45 AM  
I spent a decade flying all over the world for one of my old gigs.  I definitely had colleagues who would tack on an extra week to play tourist, but I needed to make money, not spend it, and had other work to go do.

Usually I'd be working 12-16 hour days during the week, and would only have 1 day free on arrival and maybe 1 day free before departure.  If I was on the ground for multiple weeks, I might have the weekends free.  If I was lucky, I might only work 8-10 hours in a day and have free time in the evening.

But a weekend, a day, even an evening free is better than nothing, when it's in New York, Paris, Rome, Bucharest, Antalya, Kampala, New Delhi, Seoul, Yokohama, Guangzhou, Taipei, Bangkok, Singapore, Nusa Dua, Nadi, Foz do Iguaçu or Montevideo.
 
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